Even though someone from management stated the BBJ didn't exist when the counter was still going at around 5-7 BTC's (?), had it been hit, I'm sure they still would have paid it out. There were no terms. No Rules. Managment (paul) confirmed it didn't exist. There was a 0% chance of it being hit, there was nothing to hit. You knew about it and did nothing because you're more interested in your own personal bottom line. You are scum. Get it? It was mismanagement/misguidance/incompetence for them to state the BBJ didn't exist, but you keep bringing it up as if it was a scam, which obviously it wasn't. It's scumbags like you that make them think they can get away with scummy stuff like overcharging rake, collecting for BBJP that didn't exist, waiting for cheaters to request cashout before freezing account, running no collusion freeroll and allowing colluders to play in it, seizing funds from cheaters and not returning all funds to victims, etc. The bottom line is you want betcoin to succeed because when they profit you profit - so you defend their reputation at all costs while doing whatever you can to get new signups and more deposits. Meanwhile, they're doing nothing but damage to the reputation of Bitcoin Poker. |
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Seems like Betcoin doesn't consider this forum (or Xiaoxiao) worth much as far as recruiting new signups. Enjoy your profit from whichever tier those 350+ signups gets you  scumbag |
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No worries, I will inform them why they can wear this signature. It will be better if you will do your crusade in other place. Please.
Let me then inform you that, starting end of the month, after all of you guys are being paid by betcoin.ag, I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag I have nothing against any of you participants, that's the reason why I will wait with this till after your payround, but advertising betcoin.ag in their current state should not be anything acceptable on this forum. Reminder^^^^  |
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It will leave a better impression if you just take off the pirated games and process cashout at least every 24 hours.
The games are supplied by our multi-vendor software partner as we have mentioned previously. You mean Bestslotsgambling? The provider you claim is the leading software provider in the gaming industry but has no website and is mentioned nowhere on the internet other than in the terms of your site? That's where you get your pirated software from?  You should get netent software from netent. RTG from RTG. etc... |
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Also search the terms of their sports jackpot, their daily double jackpot.
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couple of questions...
- when was the last time somebody won the BBJ?
- who was the player who won it?
- Never - Nobody For the first year+ they denied it existed despite collecting .01 mbtc per qualifying pot (I believe over 16 btc) This has nothing to do with the Betsoft progressive jackpots though. Just an example of Betcoins irresponsible behavior. @BetcoinAG... is this true about the BBJ? Nobody has ever won? @Beefheart, go back and look at my post history. It's been exactly 1 year since I opened my account here. Betcoin collected for a BBJP that didn't exist, I called them out. |
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couple of questions...
- when was the last time somebody won the BBJ?
- who was the player who won it?
- Never - Nobody For the first year+ they denied it existed despite collecting .01 mbtc per qualifying pot (I believe over 16 btc) This has nothing to do with the Betsoft progressive jackpots though. Just an example of Betcoins irresponsible behavior. |
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Disclaimer: I'm not an expert in pirated games, so some of this post may be incorrect.Are you saying that Betcoin was directly scamming it's customers
This depends on what house edge/RTP they advertised. If they advertised the correct RTP that was actually in the game, they didn't directly scam any customers. Pirated games are known for having a lower RTP though, compared to the official one because the pirates can edit the code safely. or that Betcoin was taken in by low rent scammers and allowed them access to it's customers?
This is a probable case. They saw an opportunity to get good games for a cheap price, and probably a higher cut (since the RTP was probably lower than it should be) so they decided to let the scammers access it's customers. AFAIK Betcoin has never displayed a RTP on any of their games other than dice (which has been "under maintenance" for months") I've made many posts about the lack of "RTP" and other information regulated providers offer, they have all been deleted. |
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i recommend getting in touch with the people at thepogg.com , ive been very impressed with the way they handle player complaints.
Isn't this for casino complaints only? Not sure what you mean. They work with casinos, software providers and regulatory bodies to resolve player complaints though. |
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FUN-CASINO is not behaving like an honest casinoThe percentages that are paid in FUN-CASINO are a mystery since they might change the terms after you deposit and then only pay you a piece of what you are owed. Try it now <--really, give it a try |
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However, the questions as to Betsoft's integrity will be answered by a respected audit conducted by qualified teams.
If you think the shady offshore "licensing" farms are going to do any sort of audit, you are very very wrong. What is wrong with the impartial 9 month audit that was already done? https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games...you know, the one that led to every major online sportsbook/casino to remove Betsoft games from their site? Are you saying that casinolistings audited the Betsoft software? Or, are you mistaking an interpretation of a 9 month limited scope statistical analysis for a software audit? Are you also saying that all these casinos stopped providing Betsoft software: http://www.askgamblers.com/software/betsoft/ ? Anyway, sorry....I'm done here. i don't feel like I'm getting anywhere. I'm saying that their audit will be FAR more comprehensive than anything that is done by the sovern nation that Betsoft pays a monthly fee to for a "license". Also, for someone who seems to feel so strongly about multi-accounters being evil, you sure do seem to have a LOT of WPN accounts  Yes...those are all single accounts at separate casinos....and it is well within the terms and conditions. That is not multi-accounting I agree with you. But those are multiple accounts. Wouldn't it be fucked up if someone tried to make it seem like your were cheating other players? (the way you are to me?) ^^^ He gets it. The difference is that having single accounts on separate skins on the same network is not against a sites terms and conditions; whereas, having multiple accounts on a single skin within the same network is against terms and conditions. And, the question is not whether one is "cheating" or "not cheating," the question is whether it's right to take vengeance out on others because one was banned for violating terms and conditions of a particular site. To be clear, violating the terms and conditions of a particular site IS against the rules and it is well within a sites discretion to ban such activity. Whether one opens separate accounts to spam the platform with gay porn or if one opens separate accounts to take advantage of sign-up bonuses, it is still against the rules. To be sure, I understand why twitchy is mad because his main account was quite established and he had invested a lot into it, but that still does not justify the subsequent behavior. You are trying to discredit me by calling me a "multi-accounter". We both know exactly what is implied when a poker player is called a "multi-accounter". Your initial feedback on me:  Cut the bull shit scumbag. Hey asshole....you know damn well that's not what I have in your trust rating. Stop misrepresenting the truth and maybe you would have a little more credibility. Why did you change it? Why did you put it in the first place? |
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However, the questions as to Betsoft's integrity will be answered by a respected audit conducted by qualified teams.
If you think the shady offshore "licensing" farms are going to do any sort of audit, you are very very wrong. What is wrong with the impartial 9 month audit that was already done? https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games...you know, the one that led to every major online sportsbook/casino to remove Betsoft games from their site? Are you saying that casinolistings audited the Betsoft software? Or, are you mistaking an interpretation of a 9 month limited scope statistical analysis for a software audit? Are you also saying that all these casinos stopped providing Betsoft software: http://www.askgamblers.com/software/betsoft/ ? Anyway, sorry....I'm done here. i don't feel like I'm getting anywhere. I'm saying that their audit will be FAR more comprehensive than anything that is done by the sovern nation that Betsoft pays a monthly fee to for a "license". Also, for someone who seems to feel so strongly about multi-accounters being evil, you sure do seem to have a LOT of WPN accounts Yes...those are all single accounts at separate casinos....and it is well within the terms and conditions. That is not multi-accounting I agree with you. But those are multiple accounts. Wouldn't it be fucked up if someone tried to make it seem like your were cheating other players? (the way you are to me?) ^^^ He gets it. The difference is that having single accounts on separate skins on the same network is not against a sites terms and conditions; whereas, having multiple accounts on a single skin within the same network is against terms and conditions. And, the question is not whether one is "cheating" or "not cheating," the question is whether it's right to take vengeance out on others because one was banned for violating terms and conditions of a particular site. To be clear, violating the terms and conditions of a particular site IS against the rules and it is well within a sites discretion to ban such activity. Whether one opens separate accounts to spam the platform with gay porn or if one opens separate accounts to take advantage of sign-up bonuses, it is still against the rules. To be sure, I understand why twitchy is mad because his main account was quite established and he had invested a lot into it, but that still does not justify the subsequent behavior. You are trying to discredit me by calling me a "multi-accounter". We both know exactly what is implied when a poker player is called a "multi-accounter". Your initial feedback on me: Cut the bull shit scumbag. |
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However, the questions as to Betsoft's integrity will be answered by a respected audit conducted by qualified teams.
If you think the shady offshore "licensing" farms are going to do any sort of audit, you are very very wrong. What is wrong with the impartial 9 month audit that was already done? https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games...you know, the one that led to every major online sportsbook/casino to remove Betsoft games from their site? Are you saying that casinolistings audited the Betsoft software? Or, are you mistaking an interpretation of a 9 month limited scope statistical analysis for a software audit? Are you also saying that all these casinos stopped providing Betsoft software: http://www.askgamblers.com/software/betsoft/ ? Anyway, sorry....I'm done here. i don't feel like I'm getting anywhere. I'm saying that their audit will be FAR more comprehensive than anything that is done by the sovern nation that Betsoft pays a monthly fee to for a "license". Also, for someone who seems to feel so strongly about multi-accounters being evil, you sure do seem to have a LOT of WPN accounts Yes...those are all single accounts at separate casinos....and it is well within the terms and conditions. That is not multi-accounting I agree with you. But those are multiple accounts. Wouldn't it be fucked up if someone tried to make it seem like your were cheating other players? (the way you are to me?) |
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i recommend getting in touch with the people at thepogg.com , ive been very impressed with the way they handle player complaints.
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Okay....Look, twitchyseal gave me negative trust first and I responded to his unwarranted accusations in kind. Why would somebody have to pay me to defend myself? So, the answer to your crazy fucking question is NO!....Nobody had to pay me to defend myself; furthermore, I am retired, have plenty of money, and have no need for handouts. I sport Betcoin's signature because I believe in their product and I want to see them succeed. Any stipend I get from wearing the Betcoin signature, I throw back at the tables to support the platform. I'm not even sure if you are a separate entity from the other multi-accounters in this thread so it makes it difficult to assume your motivations.
So me asking you if they paid you to badmouth someone (which they've been caught doing in the past) is "crazy", but you accusing me of being a "multi-account" (which you've never proven anyone is) is not? #onlybetcoinlogic You've exposed who your master is. Sad. I never accused you....I think that I said that I am not sure so that it difficult to assume your motivations. The conduct against the participants of this signature campaign is unethical at best and dishonest on the face of it. At first I considered the fud just misinformed banter, but now I realize that it is more than just rash judgement. I am now under the impression that it is a concerted effort to shut down an effective signature campaign in order to re-direct player traffic. I understand betcoin's stance against the trolls because it is not possible to have rational discussions with irrational agitators.
I tried having a discussion with Betcoin, but the NDA by BetSoft preventing me from knowing any details about the jasonort incident doesn't really help any "rational discussion", does it? Lutpin, I'll try to assume you don't grasp the full gravity of the Betsoft incident, it is much bigger than Betcoin, bitcoincointalk, or bitcoin. They are a huge gaming platform provider, they are licensed, and they have jurisdictions where remedies for arbitration can be conducted. If Betsoft is found to be rogue, then that will have an enormous impact on the entire industry. As is stands, the incident with jason was resolved and they are continuing to pay. However, the questions as to Betsoft's integrity will be answered by a respected audit conducted by qualified teams. As for the NDA, we have to respect that privacy. We cannot assume that a lack of detail is evidence of wrong doing because that, in and of itself, is an unsound argument ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence). Personally, I would be highly disappointed if Betsoft were found to be rogue because they provide some of the very best slot software in the industry but I would be the first to scream foul if their software continued to be offered after such a finding. Cjmoles would be right if they hadn't lost their alderny license years ago. Their curacao license is essentially worthless, arbitration is not an option. Are you sure about that? https://validator.curacao-egaming.com/e55930b7-7152-40bf-97c6-410e25fc3c2byes |
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Wait a minute. Did you really edit out the TRUSTED feedback, so only the UNTRUSTED feedback is visible? Here:  |
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The conduct against the participants of this signature campaign is unethical at best and dishonest on the face of it. At first I considered the fud just misinformed banter, but now I realize that it is more than just rash judgement. I am now under the impression that it is a concerted effort to shut down an effective signature campaign in order to re-direct player traffic. I understand betcoin's stance against the trolls because it is not possible to have rational discussions with irrational agitators.
I tried having a discussion with Betcoin, but the NDA by BetSoft preventing me from knowing any details about the jasonort incident doesn't really help any "rational discussion", does it? Lutpin, I'll try to assume you don't grasp the full gravity of the Betsoft incident, it is much bigger than Betcoin, bitcoincointalk, or bitcoin. They are a huge gaming platform provider, they are licensed, and they have jurisdictions where remedies for arbitration can be conducted. If Betsoft is found to be rogue, then that will have an enormous impact on the entire industry. As is stands, the incident with jason was resolved and they are continuing to pay. However, the questions as to Betsoft's integrity will be answered by a respected audit conducted by qualified teams. As for the NDA, we have to respect that privacy. We cannot assume that a lack of detail is evidence of wrong doing because that, in and of itself, is an unsound argument ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence). Personally, I would be highly disappointed if Betsoft were found to be rogue because they provide some of the very best slot software in the industry but I would be the first to scream foul if their software continued to be offered after such a finding. Cjmoles would be right if they hadn't lost their alderny license years ago. Their curacao license is essentially worthless, arbitration is not an option. |
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I agree with the op. Twitchyseal also photoshops inaccurate information over accurate information, takes things out of context, and is a notorious multi-accounter. I haven't spoken up sooner because I believed the poor guy was just mentally ill, but I now suspect he's a paid shill working for competitive casinos. I can't prove my suspicions, but the evidence is accumulating.
You're taking the the literal definition of "multi-accounter" and trying to imply I am an online poker cheater. A pathetic attempt to defend Betcoins reputation. I've never been banned or "kicked off" any site other than Betcoin. Betcoin banned me for continually posting questions they don't want to answer or facts they don't want to be known.  You are scum. Twitchy, multi-accounting on poker sites is considered a bad thing within the poker community. You're taking the the literal definition of "multi-accounter" and trying to imply I am an online poker cheater. A pathetic attempt to defend Betcoins reputation. I've never been banned or "kicked off" any site other than Betcoin. Betcoin banned me for continually posting questions they don't want to answer or facts they don't want to be known. And what you have posted above isn't what your trust rating states..... That's because you deleted it. Why did you do that? |
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