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5581  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 23, 2014, 01:04:55 AM
bush + rubio is a good pairing.. they'd have a good shot at florida's 29 electoral votes. take ohio's 20 and you have a pretty good path to winning it all.
You put those two at the top of the ticket and it's finally game over for the GOP. You'd have conservatives and libertarians either staying home in droves or voting 3rd party. So, establishment republican donors that truly don't like democrats better mind that before they settle on a couple of losers.

or you can vote for rand paul who is against what the far right wants.. people won't vote either. if eric cantor is "not conservative enough," what do you think rand paul will be? the problem is that if you're too moderate, the GOP base won't be down with it. if you're too conservative, the general populous won't be down with it.

rand paul's foreign policy calls for the US to stop meddling with other countries.. well, republicans practically own the military industrial complex, so i'm sure he'd meet a lot of opposition.
Actually Rand offers everyone a little of what they want for the most part. To the moneyed establishment/business republicans, he offers exactly what I mentioned in the prior sentence which would allow a complete repeal of Obamacare and pro-growth policies. He offers the 74% of Americans that oppose Iraq intervention and others that have generally grown tired of intervention a lot. The populist sentiment against the NSA strings many generations but mostly younger generations that are focused almost exclusively w/ entertainment devices. He offers the far right what they want in terms of depriving planned parenthood of money to fund abortions, a sound understanding of the 2nd amendment and a return to true American exceptionalism via freer markets. His economic freedom zones would benefit everyone as they expand but initially many inner city folks that would once again have an impending amount of job opportunities coming their way and a revival of their downtown areas, not to mention restoration of non-violent felon voting rights and a dismantling of the asset forfeiture divisions that clean people out for anything that can be tied into drugs. In full, the only people who have nothing to gain from his policies are the surveillance state people, a certain amount of the MIC and generally the most statist people out there.

appealing to everyone is a pipedream. cantor got booted because he was pro immigration reform - he wasn't conservative enough to the far right-wing. rand paul is probably even worse to them. good luck with that. your party will implode on itself.
Cantor got booted because he was actively pro-amnesty and not for securing the border first. I'm for immigration reform but not the way it's being pushed by the chamber of commerce republicans which by default ends up favoring the democrats. Also, the guy was actively disenfranchising grassroots party members in a way that stood out more so than what the Ron Paulers dealt w/ in recent times during the last primary season. I posted a link to the disenfranchisement timeline in the Cantor thread. The implosion of the GOP has come because the Bush's and Cheney's of the party have drove it into the ground and haven't really featured anything resembling conservativism which is the base of the party. The gun owners and fiscal hawks sit home when the nominee is a chamber of commerce republican. When the republican isn't that different than the democrat, we see this happen. If anything the anti-establishment forces have been growing in the party which is way different than during the Bush years. Rand's whole mission over the last few years has been to grow the party into something more diverse and he'll keep doing that which will make the GOP the go-to party for the coming years.
5582  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Observer Effect (over $1000 by 16-30 June) on: June 23, 2014, 12:38:07 AM
There's plenty of big time money chilling waiting for whatever is left of the bears to exit and then you'll see them come aboard. Wall st phase coming up followed by the main street phase and this will push the next rally. Mass adoption will come over the next few years. It will come on strong meaning moon shot.
5583  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 22, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
bush + rubio is a good pairing.. they'd have a good shot at florida's 29 electoral votes. take ohio's 20 and you have a pretty good path to winning it all.
You put those two at the top of the ticket and it's finally game over for the GOP. You'd have conservatives and libertarians either staying home in droves or voting 3rd party. So, establishment republican donors that truly don't like democrats better mind that before they settle on a couple of losers.

or you can vote for rand paul who is against what the far right wants.. people won't vote either. if eric cantor is "not conservative enough," what do you think rand paul will be? the problem is that if you're too moderate, the GOP base won't be down with it. if you're too conservative, the general populous won't be down with it.

rand paul's foreign policy calls for the US to stop meddling with other countries.. well, republicans practically own the military industrial complex, so i'm sure he'd meet a lot of opposition.
Actually Rand offers everyone a little of what they want for the most part. To the moneyed establishment/business republicans, he offers exactly what I mentioned in the prior sentence which would allow a complete repeal of Obamacare and pro-growth policies. He offers the 74% of Americans that oppose Iraq intervention and others that have generally grown tired of intervention a lot. The populist sentiment against the NSA strings many generations but mostly younger generations that are focused almost exclusively w/ entertainment devices. He offers the far right what they want in terms of depriving planned parenthood of money to fund abortions, a sound understanding of the 2nd amendment and a return to true American exceptionalism via freer markets. His economic freedom zones would benefit everyone as they expand but initially many inner city folks that would once again have an impending amount of job opportunities coming their way and a revival of their downtown areas, not to mention restoration of non-violent felon voting rights and a dismantling of the asset forfeiture divisions that clean people out for anything that can be tied into drugs. In full, the only people who have nothing to gain from his policies are the surveillance state people, a certain amount of the MIC and generally the most statist people out there.
5584  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Survey Says Most Americans Want to Ban Bitcoin: Highlighting Need for Education on: June 22, 2014, 09:18:19 PM
Well... they can continue to enjoy their fiat, the fees they pay to middlemen, and their general lack of financial freedom.
Most of them will come around when it becomes hard to ignore and or the price speaks for itself. The rest can sit in fiat slaveland and be the final bag holders in the wealth transfer. 20 years later and there's still those that won't use a computer, very few but the point still stands. You can't teach an old dog new tricks much of the time and those w/ the most amount of money on average are those that are past retirement age and hanging on to the past or what's left of it.
5585  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are political parties necessary? on: June 22, 2014, 09:12:16 PM
Some of the Founders were against political parties because there was no need as long as the letter of the Constitution was followed to a T. As in, if an issue was clearly authorized in Art I, Sec VIII clause 1-17 then Congress couldn't even discuss or vote on a matter yet that changed rather quickly back then and completely in modern times. Now, you have your two major parties that have written relatively strict ballot access (incumbent protection) laws now in state and federal law making it very tough for 3rd parties to ever get majority party status and not have to spend time and money on signature campaigns just to make it on the ballot. Furthermore, gerrymandering gives those in charge an extra leg up on their opponent party. The easiest way that those that value liberty can make any moves in that direction is to get a larger shareholder stake in the GOP and it has been working in state and federal level races among others lately thanks to Ron Paul's first campaign for Prez as a Republican that awakened the remnant to get actively involved in the local and state republican parties across America.
5586  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 22, 2014, 08:42:29 PM
bush + rubio is a good pairing.. they'd have a good shot at florida's 29 electoral votes. take ohio's 20 and you have a pretty good path to winning it all.
You put those two at the top of the ticket and it's finally game over for the GOP. You'd have conservatives and libertarians either staying home in droves or voting 3rd party. So, establishment republican donors that truly don't like democrats better mind that before they settle on a couple of losers.
5587  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-06-22] CoinDesk: Family to Travel Across the US, Spending Only Bitcoin on: June 22, 2014, 06:40:14 PM
John and Catherine have had quite a history of doing activism of sorts to get themselves in the news. Pretty sure both of them started out interning at different orgs/think tanks and then made their way out from there. They're kind of the earthy, independent minded (meaning they don't really latch on to any one movement; think FSP as an example) and they pretty much do their own thing while raising their family. Catherine is very boisterous, not exactly something I look for in a woman.
5588  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 22, 2014, 06:25:15 PM
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL): Rand Paul Wrong on Iraq
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By Greg Richter
22 Jun 2014 01:40 PM

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eic1jXkuyo8
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio parted ways with fellow Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky over the use of American air power in Iraq, saying Paul was over the top in his characterization.

Paul wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed on Thursday that U.S. airstrikes would amount to America serving as "Iran's air force" if Iran commits ground troops to the battle against the terror group ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, which has taken over large sections of northern Iraq in recent weeks.

"I think that's quite an exaggeration," Rubio said Sunday on "Face the Nation."

If the United States does nothing Iran still will be involved, Rubio said, and if Iran helps overthrow ISIS without American help, "You can rest assured that a future Iraqi government will be completely, 100 percent under the influence and in the pocket of Iran."

ISIS, the Islamic State in Iran and Syria, wants to set up an Islamic caliphate in the region from which to base its terror attacks. Rubio also differs from Paul on the threat he sees from ISIS.
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/marco-rubio-rand-paul-wrong/2014/06/22/id/578549/
Another neocon bestowing fame on the almighty Rand.  Grin
5589  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 22, 2014, 06:22:38 PM
 Grin Dick Cheney: Rand Paul ‘Basically an Isolationist’ Whatever you say, Dick.
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By Eliana Johnson
June 22, 2014 10:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl_9H1zprUs
 


Rand Paul is “basically an isolationist,” Dick Cheney said on Sunday.

The former vice president told ABC’s Jonathan Karl that isolationism “didn’t work in the 1930s, it sure as heck won’t work in the aftermath of 9/11 when 19 guys armed with airline tickets and box cutters came all the way from Afghanistan and killed 3,000 of our citizens.”

Cheney and the Kentucky senator have been engaging in a tacit back-and-forth all week, and that’s how Cheney dismissed the criticism of the Bush administration’s 2003 invasion of Iraq leveled by Paul in a Wall Street Journal op-ed on Friday.

In the piece, Paul argued that blaming the current chaos in Iraq on the Obama administration “ignores what President Bush did wrong.”

But Paul’s piece was itself a response to Cheney’s own Journal op-ed, which ran in Thursday’s paper. In it, Cheney and his daughter Liz, a former Defense Department official, pinned the chaos spreading through the Middle East around the president’s neck. ”Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many,” they said.
God, this is doing us so many favors among the independents out there which is likely the demo block that is viewing this.
more...http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/380928/cheney-rand-paul-basically-isolationist-eliana-johnson
5590  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 22, 2014, 05:06:38 PM
Here's Rand on Meet The Press (one of those popular national Sunday morning political shows) this morning w/ David Gregory where they discuss the ongoing situation in Iraq among others. It's a 13 min clip and you'll get to see how measured and crisp Paul can be while dealing with the 'gotcha' media. He can handle these guys a lot better than his old man did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nASRAI250D0
5591  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 22, 2014, 05:02:22 PM
RAND PAUL: 'REDSKINS' NAME NONE OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS
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by DANIEL J. FLYNN
22 Jun 2014, 9:29 AM PDT

Senator Rand Paul said that the name of a professional football team isn't a legitimate concern of the federal government on Meet the Press Sunday morning.'

"I'm not much for the government getting involved in the NFL," the Kentucky Republican told host David Gregory. "I don't really have a personal, private or public, opinion on what the Redskins name should be."

Gregory's question on the Redskins referenced a letter signed by 50 Democratic senators petitioning the NFL to unilaterally change the name of Dan Snyder's team. "Now is the time for the NFL to act," the letter sent last month implored NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. "The Washington, D.C. football team is on the wrong side of history. What message does it send to punish slurs against African Americans while endorsing slurs against Native Americans?"

Harry Reid, one of the signatories of the letter, vowed this week not to attend a game at FedEx Field until the Redskins change their name. On Wednesday, the U.S. Patent Office cancelled six team trademarks after a ruling called the Redskins name "disparaging" to Native Americans.

Paul referenced the NBA's move to force a sale of the Los Angeles Clippers because of owner Donald Sterling's speech and behavior as an example of how private contracts can foster change independent of political involvement. But in the case of the Redskins, Paul said: "I don't know with the name."

The senator held that politicians sometimes get "distracted" talking about symbolic fights when Americans face "more important things." The "more important things" Paul addressed on the program included Hillary Clinton's failure to heighten security for diplomatic staff in Libya after being asked to do so, how the Iraq War has "emboldened Iran" and led to Islamic terrorists taking over large swaths of Mesopotamia, border security needing to come before work-visa based immigration reform, and the restoration of voting rights for non-violent felons.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/06/22/Rand-Paul-Redskins
In case some don't know, there's a move to get the NFL team the Washington Redskins to change their name and it's been all over the sports scene lately. Finally, someone comes out and calls it like it is.
5592  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 22, 2014, 04:59:04 PM
FYI, futures market (predictious, which is similar to intrade) shows hilary as a heavy favorite to win the presidential elections.. almost 3x as likely than rand paul at the moment.
On one hand, she may not even run. IF she does, there's so much dirt on her past and present that the whole woman novelty thing will wear off fast. Similarly, she was planning the whole national health care aka Hillarycare back in the 90s during her old man's terms. She isn't removed at all from the devastation of the unfolding health care crisis among many other issues that are hanging around democrats' necks.

she is running. if she weren't, then fox wouldn't be digging up dirt on her as they are, and she wouldn't be in front of the cameras as much as she is.
What you're witnessing on Fox is the "rally around the family" effect which is being built up to help the GOP take the Senate and more of the House by demonizing (and rightfully so) the key players on the other team. That stuff sells big time. Besides, it's not like digging up dirt on Hillary is some major chore, there's been plenty written about it over the years. It just depends on what angle they want to take.

Regarding winning Florida and other places that the GOP has had trouble, the issues will lean towards the right going forward and Rand will have a nuanced way of really pounding them to his advantage. He's doing well right now when very few are paying attention or considering who they're going to support down the line. He's just making the rounds and laying the groundwork w/ donors, party officials and minorities so when the timing is right he can be as bullet proof as possible.
5593  Economy / Securities / Re: [RETURN] Announcing CoinReturn Financial IPO! on: June 22, 2014, 04:49:26 PM
Yes, to continue to receive buy orders after stopping payouts,seeing a price plunge, and failure to respond to investors is stunning.
I'm not sure if Return is placing those sells from their stash or current holders are attempting to offload what they got for whatever they can get which is more likely the case.
5594  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 22, 2014, 03:34:07 AM
FYI, futures market (predictious, which is similar to intrade) shows hilary as a heavy favorite to win the presidential elections.. almost 3x as likely than rand paul at the moment.

Hillary is having the demographic advantage. She just needs one-third of the white votes to win the 2016 election, while Rand Paul needs more than two-thirds of that group to have any realistic chance.  Angry
It's all about picking off swing states not necessarily a national polling to take home the show and he's already out-polling her in Colorado and he's likely going to be pulling more minorities than ever before so Rand is in good shape. Mind you, this is all before Obamacare shows what it truly is in the next year or so, not to mention an ever stagnant or worse economy for the middle class and lower. His economic freedom zones concept will be a major part of his campaign as well as the NSA spying which Hillary is linked w/.
5595  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 22, 2014, 03:14:27 AM
FYI, futures market (predictious, which is similar to intrade) shows hilary as a heavy favorite to win the presidential elections.. almost 3x as likely than rand paul at the moment.
On one hand, she may not even run. IF she does, there's so much dirt on her past and present that the whole woman novelty thing will wear off fast. Similarly, she was planning the whole national health care aka Hillarycare back in the 90s during her old man's terms. She isn't removed at all from the devastation of the unfolding health care crisis among many other issues that are hanging around democrats' necks.
5596  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: June 22, 2014, 12:45:25 AM
...  Paul's staff is really good at hustling libertarian beliefs in a more populist way that is acceptable and tolerable to conservatives...

LOL!  So I've noticed.


His staff and supporters are two different groups. Remember Ron had supporters throwing snowballs at Sean Hannity back in 08 in NH. I don't support either of these incidents but Sean had something coming for being such a propagandist and this woman had no business rushing Rand when he was on the campaign trail running for Senate. Her "republicorp" poster had nothing to do with what kind of republican Rand was nor is. Just another retard liberal drone.
5597  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child rape victim: Hillary lied about me to defend my rapist on: June 22, 2014, 12:35:53 AM
The Clintons have a lot of dead bodies in their wake dating back to their years in Arkansas, so this lying to defend some rapist (while it's bad) is fairly small potatoes for this bunch. Ask Vince Foster (for starters) what he thinks of the Clintons... oh wait: "he shot himself" ah huh.
5598  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If i could find a Quran i would piss on it on: June 21, 2014, 10:25:55 PM
Bad mojo to do or say anything negative about that book, the Bible not so much in real life. Tho I highly recommend against disparaging the Holy Spirit in any way, shape or form.
5599  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MARK CUBAN: 'The Student Loan Bubble Is Going To Burst' on: June 21, 2014, 10:14:54 PM
Yes, I have been wondering why it costs almost $3000 to take one class. That is fucked up.
It's because the govt and society writ large thinks any and all who wish to attend 'higher' education deserve to do so. So, they set up student loan programs and guarantee collateral that students don't have which allows the schools to always raise rates going forward. Market indicators aren't available for schools to realize that they need to cut costs because the market of said industry has been bastardized. Meanwhile, these universities have huge endowment but there's this never ending building and faculty expansion despite the true costs of education going down. Everything the govt subsidizes, there becomes more of it. Education should be going the way of technology (computers, phones, cosmetic surgery) as in lowering of the price over time as the free market drives down prices. Everything the govt touches w/ regulations and guarantees always goes up in price (education, health care, military hardware prices, etc).
5600  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-06-21] How Progress Happens: The Case of Bitcoin on: June 21, 2014, 09:56:43 PM
Jeffrey Tucker is a very good writer, scholar and a gentleman (speaks like one too). I occasionally get to hear him interviewed on Free Talk Live and he knows his stuff from an austrian perspective.
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