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5581  Economy / Gambling / Re: Free 0.05BTC SatoshiGames.io - Bitcoin Casino & Poker Room on: July 22, 2016, 04:10:38 PM
Got the .05 BTC bonus, won .5 BTC pretty quick (on betsoft slot  Shocked ) so have good shot at clearing bonus.  About 20% through now.


Hopefully next post will be sharing my quick withdraw experience. Smiley
5582  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetSoft Non-Payment of Jackpot on: July 22, 2016, 12:45:18 PM
Yesterday, shortly after the following exchange in chat:



Cjmoles left me the following negative feedback (lies obviously):



It seems he wasn't rewarded as generously as ajundftd, just a step 3 (25mbtc) ticket Sad

5583  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetSoft Non-Payment of Jackpot on: July 22, 2016, 12:33:53 PM
The following is from Betcoins "JasonOrt Case Resolution" on July 6th.

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...Throughout this entire process jasonort can attest to the fact that the Betcoin.ag staff made ourselves available nearly 24/7 to answer every question and provide proper updates when available as we would have done for all of our great players. jasonort was also clear to never blame Betcoin.ag for this issue as this was clearly a software issue and would have happened on any other online casino.

Throughout this entire circumstance jasonort continued to play at Betcoin.ag and so did many new and old Betcoin.ag players. We are very thankful for that. We will always do the right thing at Betcoin.ag for our great players...

It's now been 6 days since JasonOrts Set the Record Straight and ask Betcoin 3 questions post.

Instead of responding to JasonOrt, Betcoin is deleting posts to keep Jasons thread from appearing on the "recent activity".  

From player chat: (I edited it down, archived complete version: https://archive.is/jrhWQ )





Another recently deleted explained why a new player decided to make the following post about me (none of it is true) Twitchyseal Offered Me Money on Instagram to Lie About Betcoin



The entire archived post can be found here (it's long): https://gyazo.com/caf33a91785fc3570d7c736db3e8c9c8

5584  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 22, 2016, 12:30:07 PM
The following is from Betcoins "JasonOrt Case Resolution" on July 6th.

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...Throughout this entire process jasonort can attest to the fact that the Betcoin.ag staff made ourselves available nearly 24/7 to answer every question and provide proper updates when available as we would have done for all of our great players. jasonort was also clear to never blame Betcoin.ag for this issue as this was clearly a software issue and would have happened on any other online casino.

Throughout this entire circumstance jasonort continued to play at Betcoin.ag and so did many new and old Betcoin.ag players. We are very thankful for that. We will always do the right thing at Betcoin.ag for our great players...

6 days ago JasonOrt made a post to Set the Record Straight and ask Betcoin to answer the following 3 questions

Quote
1. Explain the relationship between Betcoin & Software Vendor. When a player places a wager on a game exactly how does it work? Explain the chain of custody of the wager and who is responsible for paying the player for a win or taking the money from a loss. Who holds the funds for a progressive jackpot? What recourse does a player have if they feel that they have been wrongly paid?

2. Why does Betcoin censor or delete forum posts? As I said transparency is very important to me as a player. It is the foundation of trust. At the beginning of this dispute I tried to bring this vigorously to the public because I felt I had been wronged. I had forum posts and comments removed by the moderators and staff. Why? My opinion on this is that Betcoin does not want to bite the hand that feeds them (The software vendors). If they allow posts that are negative towards the vendors it could jeopardize their business dealings with them. I understand this, but Betcoin needs to understand that without the players that play here there is no business. The customer should come first, not the vendor. Unless it is outright offensive allowing the players to publicly state their opinions is important. Freedom of speech is very important to me. Allowing dissenting viewpoints and difference of opinion need to be protected. Having my speech censored made me feel as though the profits were more important than the player. This is where I feel that Betcoin dropped the ball. Do the vendors monitor your forums? If so what does that communication look like? Do they ask you to take down negative postings against them?

3. Although I cannot comment on the issue of my spin, what is your opinion? Should the spin as it occurred have won the jackpot? I want only a one word answer. Yes or No. No disclaimers. One word only. It is your opinion and not legally binding.

Instead of responding to JasonOrt, Betcoin is deleting posts to keep Jasons thread from appearing on the "recent activity".  

From player chat: (I edited it down, archived complete version: https://archive.is/jrhWQ )





Another recently deleted explained why a new player decided to make the following post about me (none of it is true) Twitchyseal Offered Me Money on Instagram to Lie About Betcoin



The entire archived post can be found here (it's long): https://gyazo.com/caf33a91785fc3570d7c736db3e8c9c8




Yesterday, shortly after the following exchange in chat:



Cjmoles left me the following negative feedback (lies obviously):



It seems he wasn't rewarded as generously as ajundftd, just a step 3 (25mbtc) ticket Sad

5585  Economy / Gambling / Re: JackBitPot.com - Live Social Jackpot Game | Provably Fair on: July 22, 2016, 02:26:32 AM
Edit: I don't think this is the same guy.
5586  Economy / Gambling / Re: SwCpoker.eu | No Banking, Only Bitcoin | Bitcoin Poker 2.0 LIVE NOW! on: July 22, 2016, 02:17:37 AM
So this site got revitalized? Figured Betcoin kinda secured a monopoly on BTC poker. Maybe nitrogen could compete but no one plays the guarentees, just novice players jamming pre flop in the freerolls  Cry

It's really a shame, blockchain tech is the best thing the online poker industry could ever hope for yet rooms still lack big volume!!

On the other hand I think that the BTC sports betting industry is booming!

Yeah, I think so too.  But the thing is with online poker, the traffic is going down on all sites across the board.  It's not just BTC poker.  The poker boom is gone and I don't think it will come back anytime soon.  I think most people thought of it as something like a fad and jumped on the Chris Moneymaker bandwagon trying to follow his footsteps.

It's also summer, wsop ended days ago and aside from 3 states most of america has forgotten about online poker.

That's all changing though, slowly but surely. 
5587  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 11:00:04 PM
Hi guys, hope to be more active time permitting here and throughout as our former manager roslinpl has been.  He has taught us a tremendous amount and we will continue to provide a great campaign.  Betcoin.ag, BetcoinCasino, BetcoinSports and BetcoinPoker will all be official accounts that can answer questions for you as we are diversifying this a bit internally under the guidance of our new manager.  Thank you.  
Oh thank god you're here.  Finally someone we can trust!


I can see what's happening already.  Another layer.

"I'm just customer support, please submit a ticket and maybe a manager will respond" ===>

"I'm the new manager, you'll have to wait and see if another manager will respond"  ===>

"We're just the casino, you'll have to wait and see if the software provider will respond"  ===>

"They responded, here's some money but you can only have it if you sign this NDA"
5588  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 09:33:30 PM
Creepy...
5589  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 09:38:14 AM
Multiple accounts on poker sites should not be allowed because it affects the integrity of the game.

Example of Betcoin catching multi-accounters, letting them keep part of the funds they won by cheating other players and using the rest in a promotion.  Allowing original cheaters to participate in promotion.  Then lying about it.

Do you understand all that?  I've got plenty more examples by the way, this is just one small simple one.

Feb 8th:




A few weeks later:



Several months later:



It's a little concerning that you don't appear to have replied to any of his posts here. He seems to be raising valid concerns, but you leave them unanswered.

Did you really use 10 BTC confiscated from cheating players to fund a promotion instead of giving them back to the players they were stolen from? If so, how do you justify that?

Did you really allow those same cheating players to them play in the freeroll funded with the money they stole, after claiming to have zero tolerance for cheating? That sounds pretty crazy if it's true.

Hi Dooglus, it's because we did return most of the btc and we still ran a 10 btc freeroll to thank players for their support on top of returning funds.  This was many months ago and was handled expediently.  Ironically, most of the players were from a prop program which we no longer have, yet most of the players still play in.  

No we did not allow those players to play in the tournament but as you may know a bitcoin gaming website creates some unique challenges which we embrace.  

We have addressed all of this before and will happily address it again as we continue to move forward.  

Thanks guys!

Jessica
5590  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 08:44:16 AM
I have never felt cheated by Betcoin and I have been playing there for a few years....I know what the evidence is

Then what was the point of this?  Did you feel cheated by me?  Why didn't they ban me then? 

Here is a screenshot; how many of these players are you?  I am cjmToo on this list here....which ones are you?  I know OHYEAH is one of your accounts but how many others are on there.



This image was taken over a year ago.
5591  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 08:08:00 AM


And yes you DO ENDORSE smoking if you wear a Marlboro Classic shirt.
So you are probably very happy that Schumacher have had near fatal accident, he was such a money whore, smoking endorsing bitch... Roll Eyes
I do realise that what I just did is pure demagogy. But you guys starting to overreact.
Check how many negative feedback is on yobit account. Will you give negatives to all Sig. participants of that exchange to? I dont see any new accusations, same old, long resolved  crap you guys posting, over and over. Is this some kind of personal vendetta?

 

I don't have issues with people who promote smoking businesses. Or gambling, or guns, or alcohol or drugs.

I do have an issue with people who promote any type of dishonest business by helping them fool people into thinking they are honest.

If that guy was wearing a Malboro ad that said "Malboro, The cigarette that won't give you cancer" that would be a problem.

If you're wearing a Betcoin signature, you are responsible for helping a dishonest business fool people into thinking they are honest.  That's what they are paying you for.  To convince others that Betcoin is "the most trusted Bitcoin and Litecoin Casino"
5592  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 07:53:10 AM
You admitted to multi-accounting.  

No I didn't.


Look, this is all I'm saying.

Actually, let me remind you of what you've said so far.



You've called me mentally ill.

You've called Lutpin a "trust farming, trust abusing, shilling little punk"

You've attacked the  site Lutpin is campaign manager of. (I think thats what he does there, not sure)

Then there's this tantrum:
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cjmToo: shills with DT giving me negative trust on bitcointalk fot supporting betcoi.ag.
cjmToo: Wish I could meet them face to face so I could slap all the taste out of there mouths
cjmToo: Lutpin jumped on the twitchy betcoin bashing bandwagon....
cjmToo: Yet, he's been involved with several questionable gambling operations and still has DT trust.....DT systems rigged


Followed by this exchange:

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8:07pmBetcoin Jessica: Hi cgmToo and everyone.
8:07pmcjmToo: hi jessie
8:07pmcjmToo: mad
8:07pmBetcoin Jessica: Come to live support chat real quick
8:08pmcjmToo: who?
Betcoin Jessica: you

Shortly after, you left the following negative feedback for me :

Trust abuser. Long time cheater on the poker scene who has been kicked off of several sites for violating terms and conditions....Had several accounts for which he was caught and banned and is now campaigning in retribution for the punishment he received for his dishonest acts. Betcoin.ag was protecting it's players from this cheater by banning him and now he has been manipulating facts to bash on betcoin.


In the end you have not proven ANYTHING except the fact that you are incredibly stubborn and ignorant by choice.


5593  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 06:33:06 AM
That sad part is I'm pretty sure cjmoles is the most informed member of this campaign.  The only one that gives a fuck about anything other than the monthly payment and actually plays on Betcoin with some regularity.  

It's pathetic what you've resorted to, I hope you wake up and realize the reason you've resorted to spreading this BS in hopes to discredit me is only because you have no legitimate argument to defend Betcoins actions.




Also to add to cjmoles previous statement on how a site should deal with cheaters, here's an excerpt from the unaddressed scam accusation against Betcoin.ag  (click the links for evidence )

  • Dealing with Cheaters
    When cheaters are caught colluding or multi-accounting they are permitted to continue playing on the site.  They have admitted to using confiscated funds for various things other than refunding victims.

  • They ran a 10 bitcoin "no collusion" freeroll (See announcement HERE), inspired by a group of recent cashgame colluders.  They ended up ALLOWING THE CHEATERS TO PLAY IN THE FREEROLL  (Betcoin Jessica later lied about this)

  • When they found out a player was DoS attacking another player with the intent to extort them, they suggested he apologize and then ignored the issue. Betcoin thread with all the details:[LINK]   Screen shot of Support ticket:[LINK]
     
5594  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 06:24:52 AM
If I wear a Marlboro Classic shirt that does not mean I endorse smoking.

You are so little minded.

Enough.

If marlboro pays you to advertise for them, and you do, THEN YES.


Are you really trying to say that you've only had one account on betcoin.ag?  And that your ip wasn't blocked due to multiple accounts?  I don't have the time to dig up all the evidence....Just suffice it to say, you seriously lack credibility.

Creating multiple accounts when your accounts have been banned in some way in order to use the chat feature is not "multi accounting".  Multi accounting refers to making multiple accounts in order to play in the same tournament or cash game in order to take advantage of the other players.  If Twitchy has been doing this, that IS a problem and if you could show evidence of that it would go a long way to damage his credibility.  

True.  Multi-accounting has ruined lucrative careers....Look up the stoxtrader (Nick Grudzian)/Leatherass (Dusty Schmitt) incident.  It's very serious.  Dusty wasn't even directly involved, yet his career took a huge hit.  Having multiple accounts on a single poker site is against a poker sites terms and conditions, regardless if the bad actor admits to collusion, short stacking, rat-holing, softplay, or multiple entry because it is hard to prove intent.  It was sufficient enough to ruin Dusty's career that multiple accounts were established, even though he wasn't proven to be the culprit; Nick was the Culprit.  

It is the responsibility of the site operator to ban multiple accounts to protect the integrity of the game.

This will lead you to the consensus in the poker community on the practice of multi-accounting:   http://www.internettexasholdem.com/poker-forum/general-board/nick-quotstoxtraderquot-grudzian-resigns-over-cheating-61589.html  There's also a link to the 2plus2 thread that detailed the incident.
So yeah, multi-accounting is serious.  You've accused me of it, I've denied it, and then you said you didn't have time to provide any evidence.

In the mean time you've acted as if the piles of evidence I've presented proving Betcoin has been lying simply does not exist.

I provide evidence.

You provide excuses.
5595  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 05:19:26 AM
I put a lot of effort into responding to you, hoping you would read it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15575734#msg15575734

Did you?  

Do you see the evidence I've posted the shows Betcoin is lying about the role they played in JasonOrt issue?

I'm perfectly willing to have a reasonable conversation with you on pretty much any topic, including goiing through any evidence you think you have to back up your statement:

"Trust abuser. Long time cheater on the poker scene who has been kicked off of several sites for violating terms and conditions....Had several accounts for which he was caught and banned and is now campaigning in retribution for the punishment he received for his dishonest acts. Betcoin.ag was protecting it's players from this cheater by banning him and now he has been manipulating facts to bash on betcoin."

However, even if you could prove me guilty of everything you claim (you can't becasue I'm not) it would not change the reality of the situation.  All of my accusations have been based on fact, not opninion.  Nobody needs to take my word or trust me in the slightest to come to the same rational conclusion that Betcoin is a dishonest company with very little integrity.




I've been quiet until now so that you might speak your mind but I was one of the players that was affected by your multi-accounting.  Here is a screenshot; how many of these players are you?  I am cjmToo on this list here....which ones are you?  I know OHYEAH is one of your accounts but how many others are on there.

Zero.

You weren't OHYEAH?
OHYEAH was me.  Zero other accounts "were me".

Make a scam accusation thread against me or respond in the thread I started in[ DO NOT POST SESC LINKS ] this thread:[/url]


Was informed just before CJMoles spewed his lies in the form of negative feed back he was called to private chat with Betcoin managment.  (Just before this guy started attacking my rep with total lies, he was also called to private support chat.  Could be coincidence, but it's worth pointing out.)

<--reads from bottom to top

Are you really trying to say that you've only had one account on betcoin.ag?  And that your ip wasn't blocked due to multiple accounts?  I don't have the time to dig up all the evidence....

I've created tons of accounts to use in their chat and forum, never to cheat other players.


Just suffice it to say, you seriously lack credibility.
I don't need credibility, I have EVIDENCE. 
5596  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 04:54:19 AM
I put a lot of effort into responding to you, hoping you would read it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15575734#msg15575734

Did you?  

Do you see the evidence I've posted the shows Betcoin is lying about the role they played in JasonOrt issue?

I'm perfectly willing to have a reasonable conversation with you on pretty much any topic, including goiing through any evidence you think you have to back up your statement:

"Trust abuser. Long time cheater on the poker scene who has been kicked off of several sites for violating terms and conditions....Had several accounts for which he was caught and banned and is now campaigning in retribution for the punishment he received for his dishonest acts. Betcoin.ag was protecting it's players from this cheater by banning him and now he has been manipulating facts to bash on betcoin."

However, even if you could prove me guilty of everything you claim (you can't becasue I'm not) it would not change the reality of the situation.  All of my accusations have been based on fact, not opninion.  Nobody needs to take my word or trust me in the slightest to come to the same rational conclusion that Betcoin is a dishonest company with very little integrity.




I've been quiet until now so that you might speak your mind but I was one of the players that was affected by your multi-accounting.  Here is a screenshot; how many of these players are you?  I am cjmToo on this list here....which ones are you?  I know OHYEAH is one of your accounts but how many others are on there.

Zero.

You weren't OHYEAH?
OHYEAH was me.  Zero other accounts "were me".

Make a scam accusation thread against me or respond in the thread I started in[ DO NOT POST SESC LINKS ] this thread:[/url]


Was informed just before CJMoles spewed his lies in the form of negative feed back he was called to private chat with Betcoin managment.  (Just before this guy started attacking my rep with total lies, he was also called to private support chat.  Could be coincidence, but it's worth pointing out.)

<--reads from bottom to top
5597  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 04:41:44 AM
Oh, my name is CJMOLES!

CJ, i put a lot of effort into responding to you, hoping you would read it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15575734#msg15575734

Did you?  

Do you see the evidence I've posted the shows Betcoin is lying about the role they played in JasonOrt issue?


Sir, I've been trying to ignore you for the past two years because you  are obviously mentally ill and deserve to be heard at least; however, now that your are directly attacking my credibility I must speak up.  You were kicked off of Betcoin.ag for multi-accounting which isn't fair to other players.  In fact, it is cheating.  After you threw a fit and promised not to cheat anymore betcoin.ag was kind enough to let you back on.  But, you got caught again!  Now banning you was the right thing to do in the interest of the rest of the players who play fair.  Since you were banned, you've been continuing your legacy to attack the site with distorted, twisted, and vague accusations.  I have kept an open mind and have kept up with your rants but none of your claims have merit enough call betcoin.ag a scam.  Yes, they have had some issues that they have remedied and made right, but what site hasn't been confronted with unforeseeable issues?

I've been quiet until now so that you might speak your mind but I was one of the players that was affected by your multi-accounting.  Here is a screenshot; how many of these players are you?  I am cjmToo on this list here....which ones are you?  I know OHYEAH is one of your accounts but how many others are on there.



This image was taken over a year ago.  Well, before betcoin.ag started it's signature campaign, so am I supporting betcoin.ag for the signature stipend?  No, I've been a player there for a long time.

Zero.

Even If I am a huge cheating multi-accounter (I'm not) do you think it would somehow make all the shit Betcoin has pulled go away?
5598  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Betcoin.ag Retaliates (Collection of scam accusations against me) on: July 21, 2016, 02:35:18 AM
Another attack on my character based on 100% lies:

CJmoles can not defend himself with the truth, so he makes shit up.


Too bad for CJmoles, it's not against the forum rules to have several accounts. Also, TwitchySeal was caught in what again?

I've been banned from Betcoin for criticizing them on their own forums. This is no secret.


Other than my history on Betcoin alone, there is absolutely nothing true about anything CJMoles has claimed, hence the lack of evidence.  He's just having a tantrum like a child.

5599  Economy / Services / Re: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award on: July 21, 2016, 02:31:50 AM
I hope rossilinpl is informing any new applicants why he no longer wears the Betcoin signature and will be leaving this campaign at end of month.

Betcoin is no longer trusted on this forum.


From -32 to -8 improved Trust in just 3 days.  Very interesting to see everyone.  Are people starting to fully understand what is going on in regards to 2 of our 3 negative trusts that remain own or are deeply involved in direct online competitive casinos and at least two of the other negative trust reviews are owned by the same person...

And now Lutpin threatens to leave negative feedback on members of Betcoin's signature campaign.  We will see how that goes over with the bitcointalk community, moderators and staff.  As for Lutpin and Stunna leaving positive trust on twitchyseal...is that trustworthy?  Twitchyseal has created over 300 accounts at Betcoin and spams it everyday with gay porn, impersonating players and staff and anything else you can think of.  He begs websites to take down their positive reviews of Betcoin and they ignore him.  Twitchyseal has a voice here which is great and it is supported and fueled by some of our competitors which is disappointing to us but we understand.  The irony is people harp on trust through this thread but clearly there is nothing more untrustworthy.  

The real fact is that this hasn't effected Betcoin's players or volume in a negative way, in fact it has been positive delivering us new players because most people are smart enough to see through the bs and the trolling.  

We can take the trolling and the bs as it comes with being successful, but individuals should not be threatened and everyone here including the staff realize that.  It will be interesting to see what happens to the trust of those that threaten other people.

All we are continuing to do is provide a great place to play and many hundreds of people appreciate that everyday as well as a great signature campaign to our great participants and we will continue to do so.  

Betcoin.ag at it's finest.  ^^^^

I'll respond to the personal attacks when I get a chance in this thread along with the rest of them.

5600  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Betcoin.ag Retaliates (Collection of scam accusations against me) on: July 21, 2016, 01:39:15 AM
Was informed just before CJMoles spewed his lies in the form of negative feed back he was called to private chat with Betcoin managment.  (Just before this guy started attacking my rep with total lies, he was also called to private support chat.  Could be coincidence, but it's worth pointing out.)

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