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561  Economy / Speculation / Re: Some Bearish Observations. on: June 10, 2014, 09:19:29 AM
Another bearish observation is that btc-e is still adhering to a descending triangle:



Perhaps the manipulators decided to fool people by breaking it on bitstamp and china, but keeping it on btc-e.  Tongue
562  Economy / Speculation / Re: At THE RALLY when will you sell? on: June 09, 2014, 10:35:09 PM
Sell after it has become obvious the bubble is over and you have a much weaker retracement rally that comes fairly close to the high (170 and 995 last time), then start shorting for the post-bubble bear market.
563  Economy / Speculation / Re: My gut says... on: June 09, 2014, 10:20:41 PM
415?  Your nuts.  600 is the bottom if it drops.

600 would be too bullish for a good bear trap.  Tongue

5XX region would create a more effective one for whales to scoop bear coins.
564  Economy / Speculation / Re: My gut says... on: June 09, 2014, 10:04:44 PM
It it does correct substantially, it will not go down much beyond 580-550 otherwise the uptrend is put into question.
565  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you really like RT news! the great bitcoin promoter! on: June 07, 2014, 10:05:25 PM
It's because of Max Keiser and his influence on them.

It has nothing to do with Russia's view on bitcoin.
566  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dat volume on: June 07, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
All the noob traders are waiting for a big whale volume spike so they feel comfortable buying in.
This staircase pattern with low volume periods is common with bitcoin.
567  Economy / Economics / Re: Is 1 bitcoin a decent and good investment? on: June 07, 2014, 07:14:02 PM
Ask the guys from 4 years ago.
The one who is dreaming is you, wake up.

Investments with a tiny market cap grow rapidly if the underlying asset is good and the dumb money is not heavily invested yet. This was the case with bitcoin 4 years ago.
However, as the market cap gets into the billion territory and dumb money is already invested similar %-gains are not to be expected. This is bitcoin today.

Many bitcoin latecomers fail to realize this and out of envy for the very early adopters they keep on touting that bitcoin will keep growing as rapidly as it did in the past and similar nonsense.

I suppose it may take a few months until the permabulls are exhausted and finally get a reality check.
568  Economy / Economics / Re: Is 1 bitcoin a decent and good investment? on: June 07, 2014, 04:06:29 PM
At the moment the risk/reward ratio is not that great in my opinion. At best it will go to about 1000 this year. I do not believe this year will see a 10x bubble.
So, you will only make about 50% at best for 2014 if you buy in at current prices. Given the high risk  of bitcoin (can easily lose 60% in a few days) that reward is not that great.
569  Economy / Speculation / Re: It's Clear That The Future Of Bitcoin Is Not In The US on: June 07, 2014, 03:00:19 PM
Does anyone seriously think bitcoin will continue to rise dramatically IF the US banns btc?

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

Why would they ban something they made?  Cheesy

They are even quoting a certain Mr. Okamoto in this paper.
570  Economy / Speculation / Re: It's Clear That The Future Of Bitcoin Is Not In The US on: June 07, 2014, 12:02:58 PM
EU countries have cheap SEPA, while the US mostly use credit cards. One would think that bitcoin to be more popular in the US than the richer EU countries.
571  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: June 07, 2014, 11:32:30 AM
Out of interest, can anyone give a link to a retrospective Elliot Wave analysis on the previous bubbles?

Here's a 'big picture' EW analysis using Mt.Gox + Bitstamp price data:

572  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: June 06, 2014, 11:33:09 PM
Sigh. 2011 just won't die. I guess fundamentals don't matter. It has to go back to 340 and below. There is no other choice.

Sigh.

DanV doesn't follow bitcoin fundamentals. He believes news is misleading for the most part and he can get all the fundamentals from the charts.
573  Economy / Speculation / Re: Another Bitcoin Analyst on: June 06, 2014, 04:34:32 PM
Today could very well be the top of the S&P 500...

http://www.btcanalyst.com/2014/06/s-500-topping-out-june-6th-2014.html

Not good for Bitcoin.

It would have been nice if it topped out at 1929.  Grin
574  Economy / Speculation / Re: Predict the peak of the upcoming price surge. on: June 05, 2014, 10:17:03 PM
$750-$950 if this ends up being a bear market rally failing to turn into a bubble.

$3,000-$5,000 if it turns into another bubble.
575  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Millionaire" is a fiat-based term on: June 05, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
What about a 10+

If you are a 1+ you have over a coin and if btc goes to 100k being a 1+ will make you rich.

So a 10+ would be todays millionaire with btc over 100k.

The new world order won't allow a bunch of libertarian geeks to become that wealthy.

They will roll out their own version sooner or later that will actually become mainstream and push bitcoin back into irrelevance.
576  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Millionaire" is a fiat-based term on: June 05, 2014, 08:41:08 PM
Millionaire means nothing anymore. I have several million... pesos. Smiley

In the English language it usually refers to having a million dollars, pounds, or euros. It usually does not mean having a million in currencies with significantly deviant unit values.
577  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm having some doubts about whether it's ethical to make money off of Bitcoin on: June 05, 2014, 08:17:59 PM
^ Interesting response. What about highly speculative momentum stocks far removed from their true value or commodities (like gold, silver etc.)? Trading them is essentially no different from bitcoin from an ethical perspective.

If you make money off of them, someone else lost.
578  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm having some doubts about whether it's ethical to make money off of Bitcoin on: June 05, 2014, 08:05:13 PM
What's the ratio, between all bitcoin holders, of those who see the value in the service and those looking to make a profit off the unwashed masses?

I wonder how it compares to the same ratio among fiat holders.

Only forex traders hold fiat currencies for speculative reasons.

So, overall a tiny percentage compared to the typical post-2013 bitcoiner.
579  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm having some doubts about whether it's ethical to make money off of Bitcoin on: June 05, 2014, 08:00:36 PM
The stock market is basically the same thing... it requires an increasing number of greater fools until some kind of panic ensues that crashes the whole thing back to reality (dot.com crash, 2008 etc.).

There's not even enough money on earth to cover the market cap of the US stock market.

So, it's not that unethical compared to mainstream capital markets.
580  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Millionaire" is a fiat-based term on: June 05, 2014, 07:47:40 PM
What is delusional is thinking that fiat is gonna be here for over 20 years

That is very much delusional.. but I guess your teachers didn't teach you that in school huh?

Who is to say that bitcoin will be the mainstream crypto of the future? I'm not convinced that it will be the one.
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