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Plus, the topic was self-moderated so the countless lies you said to people who had doubts are lost.
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To expose and bring awareness to the flaws in the Ripple payment system, I am giving away 1 BTC on Ripple. This is a social experiment. Therefore, posts not consisting of an Ripple address to send 1 BTC to may be deleted. How it works1. Register for a bitcointalk.org forum account if you haven't 2. Complete the following steps in your light (not a full node) Ripple client:  So you can copy and paste the address we're sending your bitcoin from, it's rH3bZsvVUhzugvcYuJVoSYCEMHkfK6wHNv3. Post your address here. I will send at least 1 BTC to your address. That's it!I suggest reading RippleScam.org afterwards. Please note that you must exchange your bitcoins with an liquidity provider (Ripple does this automatically, when paths are calculated) in order to withdraw them from a gateway. |
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I don't recognize Ripple IOUs as binding agreements.
Sorry, we aren't talking of Ripple IOUs as binding agreements, but that he promised to sell something withrawable in a gateway, for bitcoins. By the Way, if you don't lock that topic, other people will fall there and lose theyr money. |
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Show me the agreement that TradeFortress violated.
For a scammer tag, the accused person needs to have promised to do something and then failed to deliver on the promise. TradeFortress never promised to pay anyone any bitcoins here. If you trust him to do something that he didn't promise, that's your problem.
OK, if 3 topics and lots of people probably scammed aren't enough, i have to follow your argument: from the first post in TradeFortress topic, everybody can read he encouraged people to withdraw HIS ious at a gateway. But this isn't possible, not every Bitcoin issued by TradeFortress is withdrawable at a gateway. |
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> You cannot prove that you were not in agreement with people who actually stolen the money, or that you didn't steal.
You are a scammer, because you cannot prove you were not the guy that hacked Bitcoinica.
That's not an argument, you organized a fraudolent network based on lie. Read further and answer the next question if you can. @Other People: you can like or dislike Ripple, and i can agree or disagree, but that's not the point. |
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For a scammer tag, the accused person needs to have promised to do something and then failed to deliver on the promise. TradeFortress never promised to pay anyone any bitcoins here. If you trust him to do something that he didn't promise, that's your problem.
OK, if 3 topics and lots of people probably scammed aren't enough, i have to follow your argument: from the first post in TradeFortress topic, everybody can read he encouraged people to withdraw HIS ious at a gateway. But this isn't possible, not every Bitcoin issued by TradeFortress is withdrawable at a gateway. |
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THERE ARE NO REAL BITCOINS ON RIPPLE. What part of this don't you understand? People never lost real bitcoins in Ripple, they never had any in the first place. They may have had different kinds of IOUs exchanged, but they did not lose any real bitcoins. It's another flaw with Ripple - all IOUs are not the same.
So, 2 ways: you are stupid or you think people who read is stupid. Real bitcoins were transferred between account in a gateway. But, if you hate IOUS at all, i must think that you NEVER TRADED ON AN EXCHANGE, right? Because when you deposit you bitcoins on MtGox, for example, that magic number that appears near to the label "bitcoin"... would you mean what it is? It's an IOU, sweety. You haven't even a bank account i suppose... i suppose you live on the moon. |
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Personally, I have not scammed anyone, because it is not that I am selling 1 BTC IOU on Ripple for 1 bitcoin. You may have your (bitstamp/etc) IOUs automatically exchanged for the IOUs I issued, but that is a flaw in the ripple system someone else is exploiting, not me.
Please note that you must exchange your bitcoins with an liquidity provider (Ripple does this automatically, when paths are calculated) in order to withdraw them from a gateway.
You have encouraged people to withdraw those fake bitcoins, aware that someone else would have lost his trustworthy IOUS from bitstamp, id est his real bitcoin, beacuse of you. You cannot prove that you were not in agreement with people who actually stolen the money, or that you didn't steal. I'm not in love with Ripple, i would have appreciated a discussion or a rescueless experiment; scamming is just scamming. |
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@darkmule: It's too late for my insomnia. Tomorrow i'll continue here.
By the way dchapes has answered yet, partially.
@others: it's an interesting matter, without doubts, but let's try to be on topic. This isn't a discussion about how ripple works. And if i want to demonstrate that there is a bug in a software, i don't do that by putting people who trust me in the condition of losing lots of money. REAL bitcoins...
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As i see, this isn't his first accusation. There's the thread: pretending to be a "social experiment" to expose some Ripple flaws, that is a good way to steal money from people who don't understand how Ripple works. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206948.0And there is some explanations: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207535.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207718.0I didn't know about this section, so yesterday i only reported the problem to the moderators, who were offline, and opened a thread to warn people. Some damages could have been avoided.... If it's usefull i can argomentate better and also post here the countless messages deleted from his self-moderated topic. Self-moderated topics in the newbye section shouldn't be allowed, byt the way. |
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Newbyes are giving him credit lines, not debt. And he can deposit bitcoin in bitstamp, and then withdraw REAL bitcoins, which previously were in possession of other users. It's not so hard to understand, if you want. What Bitcoins? I have none in my account (except some imaginary ones TF sent there). Darkmule, you don't risk. If another user had, in the wallet, 20 Bitcoins (IOUS from bitstamp for example), he risks to lose ALL. Someone has already lost 1 BTC for this stupid scam. We can talk about it with calm but this thing has to be stopped... and my messages are going to be deleted as the previous i (and other users) posted here to warn newbyes :S j |
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He is not scamming, he only is exposing an error in the ripple system, he is showing us how a gateway/person can scam anyone using the trust system.
Thats why he said this is an "experiment".
He's stealing bitcoins, for real. And if he's not him, he can't control his own credit network and with this stupid thing he's letting OTHERS to steal money. |
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This is an obvious fraud.. TradeFortress is making promises to pay BTC with this giveaway with no intention to honour them. He didn't say BTC, he said "Ripple BTC" which is clearly a vastly inferior item. I think that's his point. good point: this trick lets him to steal REAL bitcoins, not ripple ious. no, you give him a debt of 100 RippleBTC, he gives you from those 1 RippleBTC back. they are nothing worth since the 100 RippleBTC you trusted him arent BTC, the BTC dosnt exist! EDIT: funny to see all those kids (before pressing ingore button) raving about him being a scammer  Newbyes are giving him credit lines, not debt. And he can deposit bitcoin in bitstamp, and then withdraw REAL bitcoins, which previously were in possession of other users. It's not so hard to understand, if you want. The transaction to Bitstamp are started few minutes ago, let's see how this story will end. |
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This is an obvious fraud.. TradeFortress is making promises to pay BTC with this giveaway with no intention to honour them. He didn't say BTC, he said "Ripple BTC" which is clearly a vastly inferior item. I think that's his point. good point: this trick lets him to steal REAL bitcoins, not ripple ious. |
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No, not yet...
He's simply exploiting the lack of knowledge and the trust that people gave him...
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Of course; he doesn't want anybody to breack the game...
Once again, people rescue to loose money there... moderators should do something...
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@ironcross: should we thank him for bumping the thread and press ignore? ; )
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By the way, believing that you hadn't the intentions of stealing some bitcoin is really, REALLY hard.
Scam is, and should be treated like a scam.
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