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561  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ DISKUSI ] Menurut Kalian Seperti Apa Sih ICO Yang Bagus dan Terpercaya? on: December 13, 2019, 02:26:30 PM
Bukan karena ada gaknya effort gan, tetapi jika dari awal mereka ada niat untuk scam, tentulah gak bakal mungkin dijalankan proyek yang mereka sebut2 meskipun whitepaper atau proyeknya kelihatan bagus.
Kalau misalnya proyeknya sudah jalan dan harga token/coinnya turun pun itu bukan salah dev, karena dev tidak bisa menaikkan harga/menurunkan harga token/coin mereka
Banyak kok gan proyek ICO yang dijalankan hanya bertujuan untuk scam para investor, mereka hanya menginginkan dana yang sudah dikumpulkan dari berbagai investor, mereka memiliki whitepaper dan roadmap yang palsu sehingga bisa mengelabui investor. Kemudian berkaitan dengan harga token, memang kalau sebuah token/koin yang desentralisasi pasti tidak bisa dimainkan harganya oleh Dev.
iya dan menurut saya semuanya itu bullshit seperti whitepaper, roadmap bahkan partner2 palsu sering mereka pajang di websitenya cuma modal gambar saja tanpa ada artikel yang jelas. bahkan dari teman2 atau komunitas sudah tidak pernah mendengar lagi saya tentang ICO yang sukses dan mereka mendapatkan bayaran yang lumayan dari bounty tersebut. memang sudah tergantingkan oleh IEO sih ICO skrg.
562  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin to $5k? Tone Vays on: December 13, 2019, 12:21:11 PM
Hey, guys! Check this video where Tone Vays shares his opinion on future of Bitcoin's price. He considers that BTC will fall to $5k and will start growing just after that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qABFMlxnmFA

This kind of analysis make bitcoin price will really fall to that point because people are trusting the analysis. So, people who don't have bitcoin yet will wait at 5k to buy and people who already have are selling it because they want for lower price. So i think if many people are predicting like this and the price will be really like this

it's not like that, because there are so many predictions out there, that it won't be easy for people to believe every prediction. unless they don't have the knowledge to trust especially when it comes from famous influencers. but in my opinion, it's still realistic, when prices will grow higher, it will definitely go down before.
563  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy every dip! on: December 13, 2019, 10:43:01 AM
It is very difficult to predict each and every dip.
You don't need to predict when dips are going to happen.  That's the whole point Op was making.  You buy when you see them happening.
thats right don't need to predict because anyone will be difficult to predict precisely, you can buy every fall $1,000 or for TA experts they will buy when support is broken. because the goal for the long term is now and every drop is good to buy.
564  Economy / Speculation / Re: What's going on? on: December 13, 2019, 09:23:42 AM
What's going on with the market as everyday you can see a quick pump or dump which was not the case until last one month? I thought it's done by whales but I don't think they will do it so often. Who is creating these fluctuations and where will this lead us? Bull run or bear market?
It is always happening and it is because of traders, they buy and sell and both small traders and big traders have still an impact in the market, and for me, it is normal, as what we can see bitcoin still in a downtrend, I don't see bitcoin will still pump this year although there are always possibilities but let's just not expect big anyways.
yes I think all of that is normal, especially if we look at the history of what will happen when halving before and after, surely prices will tend to decrease before finally at the pump is quite high.
565  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin going to $9200? on: December 13, 2019, 07:57:35 AM
Bitcoin (BTC) is ready to soar the short term – opinion

Check the article, guys!

https://coinstelegram.com/2019/12/10/bitcoin-btc-is-ready-to-soar-the-short-term-opinion/
There are thousands of articles outside of me that predict the price of Bitcoin already and in the future, but everything returns to each of us, how far the price of bitcoin will surge to come, $ 9200 or $ 20,000.

There is positive and negative news, not all bitcoin price list analyzes are 100% true, we all hope that with thousands of articles in the media at least 1 article can be true, with an actual bitcoin price analysis, hopefully.
yeah there are lots of articles about predictions, for me if the end of this year is down it's good to buy because I am very sure history can repeat it, next year when halving occurs in the end, the price of bitcoin will increase. so take advantage when prices fall. so don't think too much, because for now it won't rise above $10,000, it will stable in below and there is a possibility of a fall.
566  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I am not lucky in trading - what am I doing wrong? on: December 12, 2019, 01:34:02 PM
you must immediately sell at high prices when experiencing an increase, btc price predictions do not seem to be done. so in my opinion the risk of you holding back is huge. in trading when profits directly sell. it's a classic strategy that still works today,

actually bitcoin can recover but sometimes it takes a long time, if the loss is big enough it's better to hold. we will still face halving next year.
but actually there is something wrong here, trading does not rely on luck so we must be able to learn to analyze. if relying on luck is the same as gambling and you will continue to lose, because trading has fluctuations and fundamental factors.
567  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What did you learn as a gambler? on: December 12, 2019, 12:09:08 PM
You probably heard the negative sides of gambling, some people who dont gamble has this bad impression towards it and we cant blame them for thinking that way because of the bad affect of gambling to a person who dont have control and let himself became addicted.

Now what did you realize or learn as a gambler (regardless if you became an addicted or not) that you can share to others?

As a former addicted gambler I realized that gambling is not the answer if you're desperate to grow your money and should not be our last resort in times like this because there's other way that can be the solution to our problem when it comes to money.

I did not get any lessons from gambling, maybe quite a lot of the negative side that I will share with others and I will never recommend gambling to others.
sometimes just spending money and time, without getting anything.
What? You mean you're still doing what you are doing since you started gambling? Even if you are not addicted to gambling, you should have realized things that you need to realize.
Anyways, I learned a lot of things, here are some.
I can stop being greedy by limiting the amount of money to spend and the amount to bet. I have also learned that setting terms and conditions for my self is really effective and if I were to break those conditions, I have also set a consequence that only I can know what it is.
maybe most people will say the learned from gambling like being not greedy and controlling emotions, and in my opinion that's a good lesson can change someone's nature because of gambling.
but actually that is the nature of each person. I already had that trait before entering the world of gambling, so that I could control my emotions and not be addicted, I could stop whenever I wanted, and of course I have realized that.
568  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What did you learn as a gambler? on: December 12, 2019, 09:37:10 AM
You probably heard the negative sides of gambling, some people who dont gamble has this bad impression towards it and we cant blame them for thinking that way because of the bad affect of gambling to a person who dont have control and let himself became addicted.

Now what did you realize or learn as a gambler (regardless if you became an addicted or not) that you can share to others?

As a former addicted gambler I realized that gambling is not the answer if you're desperate to grow your money and should not be our last resort in times like this because there's other way that can be the solution to our problem when it comes to money.

I did not get any lessons from gambling, maybe quite a lot of the negative side that I will share with others and I will never recommend gambling to others.
sometimes just spending money and time, without getting anything.
569  Other / Meta / Re: do you think bounty hunters should be penalized?? on: December 12, 2019, 07:45:16 AM
we have to be careful in choosing projects, a few years ago my friend was penalized for promoting the hyip project he got red on that, so his account was difficult to join every signature. but I don't know for the current rules, does it get banned? I think intentionally or not, it should just be told it doesn't have to be banned.
570  Economy / Economics / Re: What would happen to banks? on: December 12, 2019, 06:47:39 AM

Banks won't be obsolete, they have lots of functions that would complement cryptocurrency. This include lending and servicing of loans etc.
Banks have survived several setbacks, and they are the oldest financial institutions. So when they are ready to join blockchain Technology,  they will come prepare to create a system that will be trusted and to maximize the potential across the platform.

There are also don't agree to crypto and must prepare to use bank by it's reliable and safe money than the information of bitcoin that there has a number of news from hacking.

Bitcoin can't defeat Bank from eliminating but from reducing on it's performing the use of some information, the bitcoin does.

so far, yes, there are no banks that agree with crypto, but they only agree and adopt the technology, such as blockchain. sometimes the bank also has a bug with some lost customer funds.
yes bitcoin will never beat the bank, because the equality of the bank is quite extensive, while bitcoin is still limited.
571  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Savings Vs Investment? on: December 11, 2019, 01:52:46 PM
It's better to put your money in savings to save your money from risky investment here in crypto. Huge dump will be happened once you invest a coin with no potential to increase.
No, I totally disagree you need an investment, investment is not only for future purpose is actually good for emergency purpose when we need money, on our retirement age we can use that and continue trading instead of working 8hrs a day , it is more good if we investit will make our money more grow.
some of the richest people in the world are born from investments, so if we want to be rich in the future we must be brave for investment, not necessarily in bitcoin many other investments, but bitcoin gives a high return than other investments.
572  Economy / Economics / Re: How many bitcoin is enough? on: December 11, 2019, 12:32:40 PM
why only 0.5? I think we should aim to collect bitcoin as much as possible before the price of bitcoin will be very expensive. if you can't get it for free, maybe if you have money or savings it's better to buy it when the price is low. I also do that if it's true that the price of bitcoin drops lower.
You should aim to earn. Not collect.

Earning is one thing which is having a moral value behind it. Collecting on the other hand point to more ruthless scavenging of an article. The terms may be used interchangeably but there is a slight difference. All of us should focus on buying bitcoin during the sideways market for the upcoming bullrun. Keep it in stock for selling later on but dont waste it on gambling or altcoins.

its same, in essence we get bitcoin for the long term before bitcoin price rises higher. if everyone is hard to buy the best way to earn like through a bounty. but if the price is lower, as much as possible force to sell valuables or whatever it is to buy bitcoin. because for now that it to earn is quite difficult when bitcoin situation as current.
573  Economy / Economics / Re: How many bitcoin is enough? on: December 11, 2019, 09:46:55 AM
we know that human desire is unlimited when he already has 1 btc he will try to get bitcoin again. so in my opinion there is no limit on how much bitcoin we should have. everyone will always try to increase the amount of bitcoin. I am targeting myself to be able to increase the amount of bitcoin by 0.5 btc before bitcoin is reduced by half in 2020.

why only 0.5? I think we should aim to collect bitcoin as much as possible before the price of bitcoin will be very expensive. if you can't get it for free, maybe if you have money or savings it's better to buy it when the price is low. I also do that if it's true that the price of bitcoin drops lower.
574  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Can I still get wealthy through Bitcoin? on: December 11, 2019, 07:15:40 AM
Everything is set up to make huge profits, so working hard can make us rich, in cryptocurrency nothing is impossible so there is still time for you to look for as much money on bitcoin as possible, but remember there are many things that must be passed and the rules that are set you have to think how long you have to waste time to get rich in bitcoin ... My suggestion was on the bitcoin forum as a side job but also had to be fakos at work

we have to be smart to get rich in bitcoin, even people who are a few years on bitcoin can lose to newcomers who are smart enough. he can get a lot of bitcoin, like being good at analyzing trades, or smart like being a bounty manager or even joining a team of altcoins projects. if we focus on bitcoin and become rich, we no longer need to work hard outside of bitcoin.
575  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is the main purpose in gambling, always to make more money? on: December 11, 2019, 05:56:39 AM
Well it depends on the gambler itself. Some gamblers are playing not to make money but to kill time or its their hobby. Others are playing for the aim of growing their capital even they are aware how risky it is.

If I dont have time to waste then I might not gamble. For a busy person this is the least that you would think of, sometimes we are thinking to do something just because we have free time to try it. The fact that gambling can make you rich instantly (if you hit the jackpot in lottery) or grow your money without too much effort giving gamblers the desire to gamble.

Realistically I think it's mostly because of money, but some people say it's to kill time, hobbies or have fun. but of course they expect victory to get fun, because if always lose, I think there is no more fun there.

As always is the case, the fun element in crypto comes only with the win in gambling. I never seen anyone who are playing gambling and losing games and still having fun. Such cases are very rare and only those who are rich can enjoy the loss too.
I play gambling for money and I think 95% of people also wish to make money.

That's true, but some of them are certainly not too focused on creating money from gambling so sometimes they just want to make money from luck.
different when they are addicted, they will gamble every day to get money. but those of us who have fun, won't gamble every day to get money.
576  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is the main purpose in gambling, always to make more money? on: December 10, 2019, 02:06:36 PM
Well it depends on the gambler itself. Some gamblers are playing not to make money but to kill time or its their hobby. Others are playing for the aim of growing their capital even they are aware how risky it is.

If I dont have time to waste then I might not gamble. For a busy person this is the least that you would think of, sometimes we are thinking to do something just because we have free time to try it. The fact that gambling can make you rich instantly (if you hit the jackpot in lottery) or grow your money without too much effort giving gamblers the desire to gamble.

Realistically I think it's mostly because of money, but some people say it's to kill time, hobbies or have fun. but of course they expect victory to get fun, because if always lose, I think there is no more fun there.
577  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to buy 1 bitcoin on: December 10, 2019, 11:53:31 AM
for now that the price is not at good condition, it is time to accumulate more then hodl if you want to have 1 BTC and more profit.
I agree. People generally only buy when they see the price go up because they think Bitcoin is going to change the world or something, but after a while they figure out that they bought the peak of a rally and will keep bleeding.

The uglier the market looks, the better the buying opportunity is. That's the evidence we have in every market. If people for once did the opposite of what they think is the best thing to do, they would have made quite a bit of money.
but our problem is difficult to determine when the right time to buy. is the current price of bitcoin going down or up? sometimes a few percent increase makes us FOMO and a decline makes us panic.
578  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin could be 6000$ soon give us your opinion on: December 10, 2019, 10:16:21 AM
I think the target will not be reached to $ 6000. This indicator is still too far now to still survive around $ 7000- $ 7400.
Where do you speculate that bitcoin will drop to $ 6000? I estimate it will continue to $ 10,000 at the beginning of the year although there are no charts to prove it, but I'm sure about that.
agree, support at 6500-6800 is pretty strong, 1 month ago when it went down it didn't even touch 6000, but it was stuck at 6500. I'm not sure for 10,000, but I just expect it will go above $8000 before Christmas.
579  Economy / Speculation / Re: Could Bitcoin increase as in 2017? on: December 10, 2019, 06:46:58 AM
It will climb past that mark and make a new all time high. The cycle of BTC is like that from time to time. It repeats in a similar sequence, we may see it in May2020.
i think it won't happen sooner in may2020, because that day halving happened? if you look at the BTC cycle of halving, it should happen in 2021 and maybe make a new all time high.
580  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is the bitcoin price prediction for 2020? on: December 10, 2019, 05:07:17 AM
Peter Brandt said it would fall to $5500, but in my opinion this could be true, if look at history. prices usually going down before halving and next year after halving will rise again.

I will not see the history of bitcoin, if Peter Brandt said it would fall to $5,000 it is not possible in my opinion and this is the lowest point facing halving in a few months so a drastic decline will not occur,
In fact, this will be a little higher ahead of the new year, the price of bitcoin may be $8,000.

what is impossible? anything can happen. bitcoin can sometimes go up and down in a flash. but of course, it is only a prediction that no one knows, so that the prediction could be missed. sometimes the movement of bitcoin is not only based on TA, but fundamentals, supply and demand and other factors can influence. Of course most will expect a fall to get a lower price before it finally goes higher.
lol using word 'In a Flash" is not appropriate and too exaggerated because you know that prices grows but not that speed.
not only fundamentals but the support from the investors,because other than anything it was us who will bring the value Up or down depend on how much we buy and how logn we hold.
but it's a fact like 2 months ago you can see the movement of bitcoin when it's in 7,500 less than 1 day can jump above $10,000, and many other things also like 2017. sometimes it takes a few hours to increase very high. One of the supports of investors about demand, when supply is reduced. of course people will compete to buy.
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