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5601  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: August 10, 2015, 08:50:28 AM
More processional demeanor:

Just fork off you morons and stop spamming this thread with your vomiting.

Not victims no. I couldn't care less what nonsense comes from you guys. I just think that bigrcanada is either ignorant about the behavior of the Dash community or deliberately misrepresenting it. Either way I'm going to point out his error.
5602  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 10, 2015, 07:52:45 AM
If I take breaks, the work won't get done in time.

If your body gives out, the won't get done at all.

Anyway, best of luck with the treatment. I hope it is successful.

In the meantime, wellness and not overtaxing your system matter. Find a balance.
5603  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoNote | The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly on: August 10, 2015, 07:36:43 AM
No CN coins and in fact no altcoins that I am aware of, have really solved the issue that centralization of mining can cause transactions to be censored. This is an open problem for cryptocurrency.

This is only a problem if the miner can identify which transactions they want to censor by linkability or other analysis. Presuming that you can maintain unlinkability, miners won't censor transactions unless they want to censor all transactions. There's no easy fix for that - if someone wants to spend lots of money suppressing nearly all transactions, you are correct - they can do this.

CN has a viewkey. If the government takes control of the mining because due to centralization they can regulate 51% of network hash rate, then they can require every transaction publicize its viewkey. Effectively the government can force anonymity to be turned off, if they control 51% of the network hash rate.

That's essentially the same as blocking all transactions and thereby preventing the protocol from being used at all (so people would then have to use another, transparent, one, which doesn't even need to be limited to a view key but could include signing it with your name).

Anyway, I made exactly this point last year. Too much crap got posted last year for me to find it though, but the conclusion was identical.
5604  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoNote | The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly on: August 10, 2015, 07:33:08 AM
Confidental Transactions from Blockstream hides the values of a transaction so business privacy is retained. CN doesn't do this.

It does to some extent because there are multiple outputs with some being change and some being payment (or payments). How they are grouped is not visible, so combinatorially this can give reasonable privacy of the payment amount. The choice of outputs affects how much actual privacy there is in practice and the current algorithm in Monero is not great, but is being improved.

As for size I gather that CT and CN are similar but I haven't reviewed it carefully.

You could hide value with CN. Split your value into small morsels, mix, then recombine through mixes. So then no one knows who owns that large balance.

Or simply use Monero as it is with balances split into powers-of-10 and thus (in theory) no one knows which sets of transactions are really the same transaction. Thus I agree with smooth's statement.

However, I have my doubts as to whether those powers-of-10 balances are not correlated via timing analysis. I don't have a specific algorithm nor research paper to cite, but rather just that we are dropping patterns all over the place. In an ideal anonymity set, everything should look the same, so there is no entropy to analyze.

So thus hiding value has the advantage of removing information that can be used to aid in combinatorial and timing analysis (combined).

Also it has another advantage which I won't mention yet...

In any case, I want to acceded that CN does in theory effectively add value privacy. I am just not confident that Monero is sufficient against the 5 Eyes and powerful analysis research that might be forthcoming if ever these CN coins become popular.

Think of my work as (an attempt at) the second stage of furthering the technology.

I'd just add that power-of-10 is not required by the protocol even today. That is just a convention. One might imagine other useful conventions that when further defined require only implementation in wallets. Anyway, the last part isn't too important since protocol changes are fine and even expected at this level of maturity.

That doesn't invalidate or disagree with your comments about timing attacks, etc. I think careful use can mitigate most timing attacks even today, but that's not a solution for end users who don't know how to be careful and won't. So none of these solutions is fully ready for prime time today. Some are better than others is about the best we can claim right now.



5605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 10, 2015, 07:07:55 AM
Thermos has been down voted into the ground on reddit for his behavior.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gdad5/meta_on_hardforking_if_bitcoin_is_so_vulnerable/ctx6rgs

In another post he claims that consensus has not been achieved simply because Greg Peter and luke Jr do not agree and that is enough to out vote Gavin and mike. How seriously fucked up is that view.

WTF???

I count two in favor, three against. How could that possible be viewed as the sort of consensus the core developers would need to act?

(I think you have the names slightly wrong, but that's not the point.)

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I say XT should do away with waiting for 75% now, and simply fork at some block 3 months out and let people pick the vision they want to support. In the end the ecosystem will gravitate to one winner.

Yuck. If you're going to fork, at least fork in a clean way.
5606  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 10, 2015, 04:31:48 AM
The debate is settled; the consensus is 'we don't have a consensus.'

I would love to see the current definition of "consensus" for Bitcoin changes because if that means 100% support for doing something then the whole project is royally screwed. There has been no endeavor of importance in human history where unanimity was required on all decisions.

This obviously doesn't apply because Bitcoin development has not needed 100% support for "doing something". Compare Bitcoin today to Bitcoin 0.1 and you will see that quite a lot has been done, and probably not one single thing has ever had 100% support (there is always someone...)

What Bitcoin development has done up to this point is push through contentious hard forks. There is a perfectly reasonable view that hard forks should never be done at all, or at least not unless there is a huge emergency. "I think this is a good idea" doesn't count.

Accepting for the moment that point of view, development on a great many things that don't require hard forks (contentious or otherwise) can continue, and scalability can be built outside the core. That may not be everyone's preferred solution but it hardly means the whole project is royally screwed.

EDIT: added missing word "not"
5607  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 10, 2015, 03:44:56 AM
Yes I do believe that it could. I believe that a major or even near-total (much less total) collapse of decentralization is a technical failure, and is a possible (and not outrageously implausible) outcome of BIP 101.

I agree that a major or near-total collapse of decentralization would be a technical failure. 

I guess we just assign very different probabilities to that happening under BIP101. 

I never stated probabilities. Unless you believe you can support that the probabilities are "outrageously implausible" (and if so based on what???) we don't necessarily disagree at all.

Furthermore, getting back to your original post, I don't agree that we "are no longer making progress". Just a few days ago you released a paper that was insightful, comprehensive on the matter of fee markets over the next 10-20 years (though to be clear that is only a portion of the overall block size debate), generally well-received, and raised new questions for follow up research. How can you say that with a major step forward having occurred only a few days ago, there is no longer any progress? Could the same be said a week or two ago, before you paper was released?

I can only imagine this perspective comes from the hubris of thinking that now that your paper is out, everyone should just shut up and get in line behind your conclusions.

EDIT: edited to clarify that the paper is, by its own stated conclusions, relevant to the next 10-20 years. No one seems interested in my observation that the final paragraph of the paper is in fact highly relevant beyond 10-20 years. I guess we will have all cashed out by then?
5608  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 10, 2015, 02:54:53 AM
The debate is really just about ideology at this point, and that's why we're no longer making progress.  The technical debate is over.  Some people want Bitcoin to be free to grow, while others want to control the growth process to attempt to balance "decentralization" with "block space access."

That's frankly bullshit Peter R and I'm surprised to see that kind of rhetoric from you.

Bitcoin the technology is by its nature a decentralized and peer-to-peer system, but also one that "should" scale. The trade offs between decentralization and scaling are very much part of that technology and therefore part of the "technical debate". The only thing ideological here are people who want to move it from that realm to something else, and give people who are neither technologists nor directly involved with building the technology any input at all. That includes opinions on whether the debate is technical or not.


I should have said "between BIP100, 101, 102, etc., the debate is not technical but ideological at this point."  

Do you believe that moving forward with BIP101 (Gavin's proposal) could destroy Bitcoin for technical reasons?  

Yes I do believe that it could. I believe that a major or even near-total (much less total) collapse of decentralization is a technical failure, and is a possible (and not outrageously implausible) outcome of BIP 101.

5609  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 10, 2015, 02:44:33 AM
The debate is really just about ideology at this point, and that's why we're no longer making progress.  The technical debate is over.  Some people want Bitcoin to be free to grow, while others want to control the growth process to attempt to balance "decentralization" with "block space access."

That's frankly bullshit Peter R and I'm surprised to see that kind of rhetoric from you.

Bitcoin the technology is by its nature a decentralized and peer-to-peer system, but also one that "should" scale. The trade offs between decentralization and scaling are very much part of that technology and therefore part of the "technical debate". The only thing ideological here are people who want to move it from that realm to something else, and give people who are neither technologists nor directly involved with building the technology any input at all. That includes opinions on whether the debate is technical or not.
5610  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 10, 2015, 02:01:53 AM
Monero still needs more volume... Bytecoin has more

Fake volume created by bots trading with each other on scam exchanges doesn't count. Coinmarketcap wouldn't remove it (why might that be?), but I will

Bytecoin Markets
Volume (24h)

$21941
$2049
$1

Total: $2050
5611  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: August 10, 2015, 01:55:43 AM
I can't find the post you're referencing, and I just searched your recent posts. New diff algorithm - I *think* they mean the algorithm for modifying the difficulty, not the proof of work function.

Yes that's what was meant. I think its on the development/research goals document.

As far as modifying PoW that is not on any active agenda. We've always open to the possibility and we've looked at cuckoo cycle and some other things but there aren't any current plans to change it.

5612  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoNote | The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly on: August 10, 2015, 12:02:27 AM
Confidental Transactions from Blockstream hides the values of a transaction so business privacy is retained. CN doesn't do this.

It does to some extent because there are multiple outputs with some being change and some being payment (or payments). How they are grouped is not visible, so combinatorially this can give reasonable privacy of the payment amount. The choice of outputs affects how much actual privacy there is in practice and the current algorithm in Monero is not great, but is being improved.

As for size I gather that CT and CN are similar but I haven't reviewed it carefully.
5613  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: August 09, 2015, 12:02:56 PM
I don't have to download the blockchain to just create a wallet right? (I just want to make a paper wallet and will import to MyMonero or a more friendly wallet when I want to cash out.)

That's correct. You can do it on a computer that isn't even online (in fact that can be safer).


In addition, http://moneroaddress.org/ can be used to generate an offline wallet.

A friend just sent me that, thanks. Can you download the source or ?

Yes you can download the page, save it offline, and then use it.
5614  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: August 09, 2015, 11:33:46 AM
I don't have to download the blockchain to just create a wallet right? (I just want to make a paper wallet and will import to MyMonero or a more friendly wallet when I want to cash out.)

That's correct. You can do it on a computer that isn't even online (in fact that can be safer).
5615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: August 09, 2015, 10:51:12 AM
@markm You do not need to specify your own IP address. I have no idea why those instructions are telling you do to that.

It's in antast's blog under "Set up supervisor to make bitmonerod start during system boot" -> https://antanst.com/blog/2015/05/22/how-to-set-up-a-monero-node-in-ubuntu-14.04/

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You should enter your real IP address in the second line, and also replace the "1024" limit values, depending on your available bandwidth. These values correspond to kB/s, so the above example specifies a one megabyte per second bandwidth limit.

But as you can see the blog is from may, so it's a bit outdated I think.

The instructions are not outdated. If you want bitmonerod to accept incoming P2P connections (and hence help the network), you should point it to your internet-facing IP address. It's good practice to explicitely bind it to that IP address only and avoid it binding to all interfaces, as it does by default I believe.

Feel free to ignore this if you just want to run a wallet though, or running a node behind NAT.

It does that by default. In fact it even works behind NAT, if you relay the port (18080). If the NAT supports UPNP the relay could theoretically happen automatically but I've never seen that work (I guess my routers don't support UPNP or it is turned off).
5616  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] AEON -- HARD FORK 2015-08-04 - MANDATORY UPDATE TO 0.9.0.0+ REQUIRED on: August 09, 2015, 05:58:34 AM
593600 > 593688 after running 5 hour block sync go up very very slow  Angry

Current chain height as I write this is 593690, so I guess you are synced?
5617  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed[Bittrex/Poloniex]GPU Released on: August 09, 2015, 03:25:38 AM
Why bother logging in if you are not going to post?

Maybe to check or reply to PMs?
5618  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] AEON -- HARD FORK 2015-08-04 - MANDATORY UPDATE TO 0.9.0.0+ REQUIRED on: August 09, 2015, 03:14:22 AM
Please update the bootstrap, i've tried everything.

Can you be more specific as to the problems you are having?
5619  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] AEON -- HARD FORK 2015-08-04 - MANDATORY UPDATE TO 0.9.0.0+ REQUIRED on: August 09, 2015, 01:05:41 AM
Is minergate on a different fork? They are showing their pool and total hashrate around 20 kh/s and are solving like every single block:
https://minergate.com/pool-stats/aeon

I have no idea what they are doing. They are certainly aware of the upgrade and have said they are upgrading on Monday (why wait?), and if you look at their trollbox you have users telling other users to stop wasting their hashrate by mining, the support guy on there ignores it and they for some reason they don't just turn it off. Very strange.

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Edit: I guess so, since they're showing different block heights as well. Does cryptonight-light get approximately same h/s as cryptonight?

It gets 2x+ depending on the hardware but the block target is now 4 minutes so the old fork will have more blocks with less work.

5620  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: CoinMarketCap.com - Market Cap Rankings of All Cryptocurrencies! on: August 09, 2015, 12:40:27 AM
Why doesn't ETH have the "** Significantly Premined" associated with it due to this significant premine?

The total amount of coins is 72 million when it should be around 60 million to date.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1147063.msg12088443#msg12088443

Edit:
60 mil premine
12 mil hidden premine

Hidden? It was certainly disclosed in their ICO documents, I remember reading it.

I don't know what the rules are for that ** marker though. Apparently huge scams like BCN with phony blockchains don't count. Who knows about ETH.
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