terrorist is not a muslim nor a christian in religion , terrorists they have no religion , if there is why does they have to kill innocents people , why they have to act like animals if they are muslims , i have many muslim friends and they always says that the terrorists is not like them ..
So ask them why other muslims are different. My guess is that your friends have somewhat decent human beings as clerics or if not, your friends are themselves decent and don't pay attention to the radical propaganda. When terrorists kill themselves in acts they believe are Islam, you or your friends really don't have the right to prattle on about "They're not REALLY Muslim" and similar garbage. "Islamic terror" and "Islamic extremism" and "Islamic jihad," are subcategories of Islam. Duh... |
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Is there anything wrong with Muslims that we should hate it? I think all religious people around the world have the same right to live side by side and create peace in the world.
I don't hate Muslims. I just hate how they are being stereotyped as terrorists. I know some Muslim friends and they are so good to me. Then do something about it. Spred the word and battle with those spreading these stereotypes. .... I agree. Get your Muslim friends to stand up publicly and say they are against terrorism. Be sure to have them say they are against terrorism against Israel too. Then have them say how they are against stoning women to death, against killing gays and apostates. |
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Terrorists are not Muslims all there must be other religions because we do not know the religion of terrorists because terrorists are dead exploding.
Some survive and tell us why they tried to blow themselves up. Most if not all are Muslims. Maybe they were just coerced in what they are doing and they tried to do something about it but got blackmailed because of it. No, they tell us they wanted to die to make Allah happy. Listen to what they say. Some do it to help their families financially. I do not understand how religion can be opposed to a person and his life. The greatest value is the life of the human being and it must be protected. Terrorists are among many religions. Muslims are not to blame for the fact that their religion is so cruel.Muslims most certainly are responsible for their religion, and if it's cruel, it's them that are cruel. Don't talk nonsense. |
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I don't hate muslems. Because they are also man. And it's e good religious so we should not hate it. We should gibe respect to every man and women.
Not EVERY man. And not EVERY religion. Check out this Fatwa - A new fatwa from Saudi grand mufti: Men are allowed to eat their wives. Saudi Arabia’s highest religious authority has issued a fatwa allowing a starving man to eat his wife in order to save himself. Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh, according to the report, said that the act would display the wife’s obedience to her husband ....https://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2015/04/09/a-new-fatwa-from-saudi-grand-mufti-men-are-allowed-to-eat-their-wives/ |
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UFO-Researcher David Wilcock claims, according to his source Dr Pete Peterson, that Bitcoin was invented by a group of white hats within the NSA. Their motivation was that there should be an alternative to the Federal Reserve in case it collapses or its power gets misused. That would make these people "Satoshi". From a technical standpoint this could be true, since these people would have the necessary skills to invent Bitcoin. He made this remark in this recent presentation of his: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWHyrvFODb8Dr Pete Peterson claims to be a whistleblower and insider to various deep black projects (USAPs) of the US government, in which supposedly fantastic technologies have been developed. Here is an interview with him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooSRh7V68ukFrankly, that's a ridiculous conspiracy theory. |
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Choose Islam? Aren't most of the Muslims born into it,
and if they try to leave they face DEATH. Here is the hypocrisy with Islam. Muslims always target people from other religions for conversions in to Islam (especially orphans, criminals, and women). But once they convert to Islam, they are not allowed to go back to their original religion under any circumstances. And as you said, apostasy is punishable by death in Islam. Kaltun misrepresented the reality of Islam when he tried to argue "only read the Koran and look for answers in it." Millions of Fatwas say differently. These are "correct interpretations" of the Islamic texts which regulate every minute aspect of a Muslim's life. why do you call me here in  i misrepented  ...... you dont know anything like sithara *There is no compulsion in the religion...(Quran 2:256) http://www.islamawakened.org/quran/2/256/default.htmask any Muslim , what is his Book , his source .......... Because if that were true, there would be no Fatwas. |
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Choose Islam? Aren't most of the Muslims born into it,
and if they try to leave they face DEATH. Here is the hypocrisy with Islam. Muslims always target people from other religions for conversions in to Islam (especially orphans, criminals, and women). But once they convert to Islam, they are not allowed to go back to their original religion under any circumstances. And as you said, apostasy is punishable by death in Islam. Kaltun misrepresented the reality of Islam when he tried to argue "only read the Koran and look for answers in it." Millions of Fatwas say differently. These are "correct interpretations" of the Islamic texts which regulate every minute aspect of a Muslim's life. |
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This is where we part our ways, no matter what we say and no matter what you say, we'll be standing on the opposite sides of the road, the only solution is that you keeping whatever you think it's right and vice versa, and we're willing to die fighting for our cause which is given to us not just by a book but in reality and in our daily lives, when we read our holy book we actually experience most of the truth in our lives and that's why we become a true believer, you know that you would never believe in some cause so deeply if you never see any signs of truth. we'll continue killing you and you will also do the same, we will settle our differences not in this world but in the next.
PERSONALITY TRAITS OF A KNOW IT ALL Shows arrogance Shares an opinion on every issue and know's it's the RIGHT one Knows more than anyone/everyone else Never wrong Acts defensive if challenged Knows what others SHOULD BE doing Feels superior to others Sure sounds like the Muslim/Koran lovers doesn't it? |
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I believe they just have a higher frequency of popping up in the media nad news outlets than other attacks. Plus it's been a while but white supremacist use to cause a ton of problems in America. EG OKC bombings in the 90's.
Actually it's far the reverse. Only a few of the many Islamic terror attacks make the Western press at all. To understand the extent of UNDERREPORTING of Islamic terror by the media, take a look at this. www.thereligionofpeace.com3000 dead or maimed a month from Islamic terror. |
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This is where we part our ways, no matter what we say and no matter what you say, we'll be standing on the opposite sides of the road, the only solution is that you keeping whatever you think it's right and vice versa, and we're willing to die fighting for our cause which is given to us not just by a book but in reality and in our daily lives, when we read our holy book we actually experience most of the truth in our lives and that's why we become a true believer, you know that you would never believe in some cause so deeply if you never see any signs of truth. we'll continue killing you and you will also do the same, we will settle our differences not in this world but in the next.
Really? What is your "cause?" Looks to me like there are dozens of versions of Islamic "causes," such that you guys are not ever going to stop fighting between yourselves which is exactly what we see in the world. Looks to me like the presence of multiple sects each deeply believing they are the Right Ones is the very problem, instead of the solution. |
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I think we must not be a racist when it comes to muslim people, that most or maybe all of them are terrorist. Because i believe that all can be terrorist, normal people can be one of them too. Being a terrorist is all about having a different perspective,mindset and goals, too different in the norms of the society and government. This kind of mind set "terrorist mindset" can be attain by anyone.
Maybe an ocassional "lone ranger," but what we are seeing over and over, is people induced, trained, and fulfilling extremist jihad by Muslim clerics. There is no other organized terrorist activity in the world except for Islamic terrorist activities. |
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The funny thing is, there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough. However, let's look at what you are doing. You've misrepresented your opponent's argument to make a point you wanted to make.
First you argue that "the only true Muslims" are those that "just read the Koran," then you argue that your opponents, saying "bad things about Muslims," are "spreading lies and rumors about the Koran."
That's nothing but your effort to change the discussion into what you personally want to talk about. It's a quite obvious mis representation and attempt to reframe the argument.
This can't work and is pretty much a joke because as an example, you and I both know it's completely valid to look at the discussion in Wikipedia about Takiyya as a broad and general discussion of the interpretation and use of Takiyya. Your attempt to limit and reframe discussion of Takiyya to one verse from Koran is pathetic, frankly.
thus my opinion / thought counting also , nice to see that so lets sum up some : there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough. please give me some bad verse ... please come not with pages copy past from anti-Islam sites and do not come with uncomplete verse( you know verses who didnt pullout from his context) simple one or to verses , so i can reply to it....but if you not gonna read my reply , say it to me so i dont have waste my time.... most what you guys quote is from Hadiths. you guys see i human act and telling its from Quran....this is not true.... and then : However, let's look at what you are doing. You've misrepresented your opponent's argument to make a point you wanted to make. hahaha , i misrepresent my opponents argument with telling the truth , but ofcourse you will see this way , otherwise it would not fit in your idea about the Quran......
i am trying to defend here the Quran , not what other Muslims says or do ............ When I said... there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough....I refer to the reality of the cruel societies and backward cultures seen where the primary religion is Islam. It's a silly little game for children you'd like to play, quoting verses and arguing over them. So I guess you agree you've misrepresented or ignored my arguments to make a point you wanted to make. Yes, that's mis representing an opponent's arguments and speech. But since you are focused on one old book, just for fun and to keep you busy, here is a list of contradictions and problems in your favorite book. http://www.rim.org/muslim/quranproblems.htmHere is a list of scientific errors. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_QuranHere is a list of historical errors. http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv7.htmlHave fun! |
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Many Christians feel like they can get away with any illegal activities, because they will go to heaven no matter what... it's a golden ticket to be evil and still go to heaven...
Christianity is such a stupid religion... it makes zero sense that a good person goes to hell because they are an atheist, yet some child rapist or murderer goes to heaven because they said a little prayer for 5 seconds... what sort of idiot god would make those rules?
I suggest you go live in South Africa for a while, and see how you like being surrounded by non-Christians. Report back after you've had enough. Then go to Saudi Arabia, also non-Christian, and live for a while. Please let us know then your views on comparative religion. lol... |
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The "WE" is Western non-Islam people on bitcointalk forums. We've seen Muslims justify stoning women to death, justifying death to the Evil Jews, you name it, it's been publicly posted to these threads. Go back and look through them.
The reason nobody bothered to answer "your question" is no different than the reason nobody bothers to answer someone else's question who posts a religious quote from the bible and attempts to convert people or display their true faith. Nobody cares about the quote from the old book, they care about the way people act and the things that people do.
my advice to you is , learn how to read ... nowhere i try to convert you guys, i even know its even useless .., again i only react here is you guys are spreading lies and rumors about the Quran.... btw you know what funny is, i have no right to convert you but you have to right to get rid of my religion .... so everybody can / may reply to this thread , but not me, cause nobody wants my opinion ( i thought this is an forum , where everybody can discuss) but i see indeed what kind this thread is..... so pity how some people cannot handle the truth..... still no answer to my question, why cause i am nobody.... so be it .... The funny thing is, there's no need to spread "lies and rumors" about the Koran, the reality is bad enough. However, let's look at what you are doing. You've misrepresented your opponent's argument to make a point you wanted to make. First you argue that "the only true Muslims" are those that "just read the Koran," then you argue that your opponents, saying "bad things about Muslims," are "spreading lies and rumors about the Koran." That's nothing but your effort to change the discussion into what you personally want to talk about. It's a quite obvious mis representation and attempt to reframe the argument. This can't work and is pretty much a joke because as an example, you and I both know it's completely valid to look at the discussion in Wikipedia about Takiyya as a broad and general discussion of the interpretation and use of Takiyya. Your attempt to limit and reframe discussion of Takiyya to one verse from Koran is pathetic, frankly. |
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this is really so waste of my time...
i do now get why you guys think this way, you only see what YOU wanna see, read what you wanna read.....
what i am telling are being ignored, not read it
again what does the book says and what does the human do , where does the book says you MUST lie
What you are saying is being ignored because we know better. We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God." It's a waste of time if you think people on the Internet are going to believe in your religion, because they will not. darn , i didnt know it was THAT hard to read and understand....... What you are saying is being ignored because we know better.
what an bullshit , you dont know anything , you assume you know something and even thats is a lie.... like this , i ask you guys what this verse say about taqiya , and this is the only verse its talking about taqiya in the Quran but no mister does it know better even dodging my question and try to redicoul my question... We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God." you know what funny is also , i bet in your eyes i am no real Muslim , cause i reject all second rules ( aka hadiths rules) like the ISIS...... and yet i follow the Quran ...... Nobody cares how you do what you think is right. What people care about is that since 9/11, Muslims have done more than 31,000 terrorist and suicide attacks. These guys go to mosques, they get indoctrinated then go out and do their attacks. You know it, I know it. They're Muslims. Don't waste peoples' time trying to argue "They're not the True Muslims, I am!" We've heard that before. Don't waste your time trying to impress people that "My version of Islam is the RIGHT ONE!" Nobody cares. It's the Internet. As far as I am concerned, any version of Islam is the wrong one. You can leave Islam, you know. There are support groups for people who chose to leave. The reason I mention Takiyya and lying is not to hear you quote your opinion about the "Right way of Lying." Your opinion doesn't really matter. What matters are the diverse ways of lying that various splinter groups of Muslims justify by way of these verses, and how it may affect us non-Muslims. Similarly, what matters are the diverse ways of justifying and rationalizing violence that Muslims achieve. Not that you have an opinion that "Islam is peace." yup your real human feelings coming above: Nobody cares how you do what you think is right. but your thoughts are very important ....pfffff , what an lame reply , i am not an human so my thoughts is nothing ..... you guys telling lies and spreadding fuds about my religion and if i am pointing the real message , you know what the source of Muslims says , then it doesnt count , cause i do not spread fud or lies.. sooo pity this .... only me my self and i ..... Don't waste peoples' time trying to argue "They're not the True Muslims, I am!" second sinds WHEN are you the voice of the people ?? which people and NO WHERE i am telling that i am the true Muslim, i only say that the hadiths are not part of the QURAN and most of the Muslims are walking the path of sunnah ( willingly or not). and if you think this is wasting of time, then dont come here , dont read the replys and please do not reply here anymore..... We've heard that before.
WHO ARE WE The reason I mention Takiyya and lying is not to hear you quote your opinion about the "Right way of Lying." Your opinion doesn't really matter. What matters are the diverse ways of lying that various splinter groups of Muslims justify by way of these verses, and how it may affect us non-Muslims. is this so hard to follow ?? you ask me and i ve gave you answer , but my answer didnt satisfied your thoughts...... and still no answer to my question , even i made big and readable .... The "WE" is Western non-Islam people on bitcointalk forums. We've seen Muslims justify stoning women to death, justifying death to the Evil Jews, you name it, it's been publicly posted to these threads. Go back and look through them. The reason nobody bothered to answer "your question" is no different than the reason nobody bothers to answer someone else's question who posts a religious quote from the bible and attempts to convert people or display their true faith. Nobody cares about the quote from the old book, they care about the way people act and the things that people do. |
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Terrorism are independent from religions, race , gender, nationality etc. Terrorism is only connected with your personality. If you have bloody horrible personality, you are doomed to be a terrorist.
Absolutely false. Terrorists are trained and indoctrinated in a world view, in the case of Muslim terrorists this is done in a religious setting. Personalities of terrorists have been studied, you know. |
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this is really so waste of my time...
i do now get why you guys think this way, you only see what YOU wanna see, read what you wanna read.....
what i am telling are being ignored, not read it
again what does the book says and what does the human do , where does the book says you MUST lie
What you are saying is being ignored because we know better. We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God." It's a waste of time if you think people on the Internet are going to believe in your religion, because they will not. darn , i didnt know it was THAT hard to read and understand....... What you are saying is being ignored because we know better.
what an bullshit , you dont know anything , you assume you know something and even thats is a lie.... like this , i ask you guys what this verse say about taqiya , and this is the only verse its talking about taqiya in the Quran but no mister does it know better even dodging my question and try to redicoul my question... We know there are many diverse opinions among Muslims, and that Fatwas often are contradictory in interpretation. You are just one more religious person that thinks only he and his tribe have the "right way of God." you know what funny is also , i bet in your eyes i am no real Muslim , cause i reject all second rules ( aka hadiths rules) like the ISIS...... and yet i follow the Quran ...... Nobody cares how you do what you think is right. What people care about is that since 9/11, Muslims have done more than 31,000 terrorist and suicide attacks. These guys go to mosques, they get indoctrinated then go out and do their attacks. You know it, I know it. They're Muslims. Don't waste peoples' time trying to argue "They're not the True Muslims, I am!" We've heard that before. Don't waste your time trying to impress people that "My version of Islam is the RIGHT ONE!" Nobody cares. It's the Internet. As far as I am concerned, any version of Islam is the wrong one. You can leave Islam, you know. There are support groups for people who chose to leave. The reason I mention Takiyya and lying is not to hear you quote your opinion about the "Right way of Lying." Your opinion doesn't really matter. What matters are the diverse ways of lying that various splinter groups of Muslims justify by way of these verses, and how it may affect us non-Muslims. Similarly, what matters are the diverse ways of justifying and rationalizing violence that Muslims achieve. Not that you have an opinion that "Islam is peace." |
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Guess this is what the anti-illegal migrants want others to understand.
Laws are laws and should be respected. We should all insist on respect to the laws otherwise evil ones will also take advantage of the lack of respect for our laws.
I think this accurate. The biggest frustration people have with the approach to immigration is the banning of people from a specific country based on their primary religion or a very few people from these countries causing awful trouble. It's a level of enforcement that's born out of fear. .... It's no different than checking immigrants for contageous diseases. Only a few have them, but we check them all. Some countries have more bad apples. |
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I really hate the Christians. My tribe was submitted to genocide by the Christians, just because we refused to abandon our ancient religion (Hinduism). Our villages were burnt down, girls were raped, and elders were beheaded. Now most of the members are living as refugees in Tripura and Assam. Only those who are ready to convert are allowed to go back to Mizoram.
Thank you for this post. It led me to look at the wikipedia entry for Mizoram. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MizoramQuite interesting. To be fair, though, the tribes seemed to have a long history of chopping off heads of neighboring tribes, before Christianity arrived with the British? The same excuse given by the missionaries to destroy the indigenous culture. They claim that earlier all these tribal people were barbarians, and they were "saved" after the missionaries converted them to Christianity. There are still a large number of Hindu tribals living in Tripura and Assam. I haven't heard about any head hunting incident being reported from there for the last 100 years. Hmm... You think those reports were wrong or exaggerated, possibly for ulterior motives? |
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