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5701  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S4 Discussion and Support Thread on: October 23, 2014, 06:19:38 PM
just got my tracking number too.. but here's the question, do they expect us to pay for the import duty? and same with sending their psu back to them as suggested in the last email? cause thats gonna hurt my wallet if i have to pay for that again..
Duty? Not in the US at least. Is part of the shipping cost.
As for returns/replacements. No duty as long as parts are marked as warranty replacements. Even if Bitmain wants to old one back as long as marked as a Return no duty applies (plus if any did would be their problem, not yours)
5702  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S4 Discussion and Support Thread on: October 22, 2014, 12:35:11 PM
My accepted/discards ratio is also showing very high discards compared to every other miner I have. Normally Accepted outpaces discards by 2:1 give or take. With the s4 the discards are massively x more than accepted. But, as long as the pools are happy, whatever...

Discards mean nothing, people need to stop looking at them.

I appreciate your guides and if this comment was in a different thread, it'd hold some weight with me.  I also appreciate you disclosing your paid status with Bitmain.  The community has been hurt too much from shills/shysters, poor manufacturers etc.  There's very little trust left for paid representatives. I hope you understand and there's no intentional ill will, but my opinion of your posts in this thread are marginal at best. Obviously YMMV.

Maybe if I quote ck people will believe me... the same message applies to ALL hardware, discards are meaningless.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709503.msg8018688#msg8018688
Works for me, like I said if the Pools don't care we shouldn't either.
I *am* curious what they are. Shares/data too small to process? Gonna have to look that up
5703  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S4 Discussion and Support Thread on: October 22, 2014, 01:36:13 AM
Thank you so much for the time you've invested to make the S4 more funtional, ckolivas. I'm going to send you a donation tomorrow morning.

I'd like to try ck's new version tomorrow, but I have no idea how to go about updating cgminer. Can anyone shed some light, or point me towards a guide?
Assuming your S4's IP address was say 192.168.1.99:

Code:
ssh -l root 192.168.1.99 (or equivalent with putty)
wget http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/antminer/s4/4.6.1-141018/cgminer
mv /usr/bin/cgminer /usr/bin/cgminer.bak
chmod +x cgminer
mv cgminer /usr/bin/cgminer
/etc/init.d/cgminer.sh restart

I think that might not keep across a power cycle though.

You were right, the changes don't stick across a power cycle. Is there any way to make them permanent?
Ditto. Anyway to make the new binary stick? I see Bitmain removed the tab for tinkering with the individual 'ux programs. Don't want to have to get more always-on-line UPS's for them...
5704  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S4 Discussion and Support Thread on: October 22, 2014, 01:08:31 AM
Pool   URL   User   Status   Priority   GetWorks   Accepted   Rejected   Discarded   Stale   Diff   Diff1#   DiffA#   DiffR#   DiffS#   LSDiff   LSTime
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stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334
1PEapF6rZNMkykfoJrfDSKT4Z7neGbF5ku_S4-1
Alive
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876066
295163
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So does this appear in line with what others are getting in terms of accepted vs. discarded?
My accepted/discards ratio is also showing very high discards compared to every other miner I have. Normally Accepted outpaces discards by 2:1 give or take. With the s4 the discards are massively x more than accepted. But, as long as the pools are happy, whatever...
5705  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. on: October 21, 2014, 09:32:06 PM
60% to chips. 30% to IMET. 10% + the Loan to deliver miners.  Bankruptcy costs money, and we thought if the market held we may have been able to pull through. The idea was to get clients something instead of leaving them with nothing.

Isn't that a somehow big amount for chips only? They are the cheapest component. You got a terrible deal on the chips imo!
Actually the amount spent for chips is right and even after the initial runs the chips are *not* the lowest cost parts by a long shot. The only thing missing from that budget break down is development cost of the rigs themselves. Ya know, general system layout, case design, a properly designed hashboard layout, testing...

It is missing for good reason: Bitmine.ch was supposed to do that. Systems from Josh were based on their lead. We know how things went for Bitmine.ch's own direct customers... And while all hell was breaking loose, Innosilicon quietly sat back taking notes for a month or so seeing the problems. They made damn sure not to repeat the terrible design choices Bitmine.ch used...

For any 1st production run of chips there is always a massive premium on them to recoup the very considerable amounts spent on design, respins and production setup costs charged by the chip foundry (in this case GlobalFoundries). Hell, look at prices for the newest Intel or AMD cpu's for a good example of that. Now once demand is proven and production ramps up or is at least sustained - then prices drop like a stone.

Again - cpu's or better yet  Bitmain s1's. Initial cost for one was well over $2k (and why the A1 chip rigs and BFL's Monarchs looked to be one heck of a deal). Bought my first s1's @ $750 each in mid March and the last ones I got for around $250.
5706  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. on: October 21, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
yep. He states his ownership and position in line-1 of the declaration.
5707  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. on: October 21, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
it's most likely buried in the 2nd closed thread somewhere or the first closed one. Do a Forum search on it?
I may have something on it in my chats with Joshua Zipkin, will look there later.
And again - if I find/post it ah, someone should remember it is Public Record and only will be the actual filing link.
5708  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. on: October 21, 2014, 02:42:41 PM
60% to chips. 30% to IMET. 10% + the Loan to deliver miners.  Bankruptcy costs money, and we thought if the market held we may have been able to pull through. The idea was to get clients something instead of leaving them with nothing.

What happened with the IMET money? Did you recover anything? If not then why?

The IMET proceedings are still on going. The priority was the class action not the IMET suit. If you only have X for legal, you spend X on the most immediate concern. When the class action has come to a resolve, the IMET proceedings will continue.

But I thought that the class action was the result of the IMET thing. Why didn't you start with IMET proceedings before the class action?

The class action was filed on April 2nd, we still had issues with IMET's productions as well as and promises of success from them as well. The IMET case was filed sometime in May, because we were dealing with the beginning proceedings of the class action. If the class action never exsisted we would have only sued IMET, we would have won and went to China two months earlier and everyone would have received their miners.
*that* bit I do more or less agree on. The Class action was started much to soon which is why Opeium2 and I were pushing against it early on when there was a glimmer of hope that the design and mfg issues could be resolved.
5709  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. on: October 21, 2014, 02:10:32 PM
Yep and anytime you want them back feel free to pick them up. Considering your history on accepting returns not even going to try.

Rich, pretty hostile these days.
Hostile ? No.
For obvious reasons I have strong sympathies to the Business World but I also have very strong business morals. (and no that is not an oxymoron) At almost every turn you have dismissed the notion that customers are Customers. With a big 'C'. Regardless of outside circumstances one does not screw them over, post personal information, etc.

We ran out of money. What would have you done?
Been honest and open about the situation with the customers. I would have stopped all further sales as soon as the mfg problems arose. In the end if needed, file for reorganization or bankruptcy.

Yes for a while at least you were truly scrambling to make something out of this mess and a Tip of the Visor to that but - it still does not excuse your egregious violations of legally mandated Customers Rights.
5710  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. on: October 21, 2014, 01:52:34 PM
Yep and anytime you want them back feel free to pick them up. Considering your history on accepting returns not even going to try.

Rich, pretty hostile these days.
Hostile ? No.
For obvious reasons I have strong sympathies to the Business World but I also have very strong business morals. (and no that is not an oxymoron) At almost every turn you have dismissed the notion that customers are Customers. With a big 'C'. Regardless of outside circumstances one does not screw them over, post personal information, etc.
5711  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. on: October 21, 2014, 01:44:35 PM
Yep and anytime you want them back feel free to pick them up. Considering your history on accepting returns not even going to try. If your thinking that constitutes formal acknowledgement of contract - it doesn't.
5712  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. on: October 21, 2014, 01:39:11 PM
<snip>

Oh Josh.. you seem to have forgotten just who made that chat room - ME. EVERYTHING POSTED THERE IS 100% ACCURATE. For those who need a refresher course in reality, here you go:
https://sites.google.com/site/hpulhp/home/files/AMT-NDA%20Room%20chats%20to%20date%20names%20REDACTED%20.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1

We've always liked you Rich, but if that were a true skype chat wouldn't you be in breach of your NDA? And no one cares about 200 pages of a bullshit skype chat where you and tony are doing most of the talking. Really, who cares? All of the 156 clients that we have? The micro community that's left on this forum?  Again Rich, with respect please do stay out of these distractions or arguments. Ja is there no relief for the son of a window?

You mean the NDA that you never signed? Takes more than one party to make an agreement bucko. Yes it 100% true and no I am not in violation.
That aside, the real IP points are all in the pm chats which even though am NOT legally bound to keep sealed (remember? You never signed anything?) I still am. Professionalism and all that ya know? Scratch that - you wouldn't.

It was signed by us and exists in our attorney's records. And while we need to work on professionalism, that is for sure, we still do respect you Rich, and we felt above all people you'd understand our actions as of lately. See Rich you've inspired greatness.
[/quote]
Strange, the original copy I have from you has no signature from you or your representative(s).
Nor did you return to me a signed copy of the amended NDA I prepared which is the one that bears my signature. Without formal acknowledgement of the amendment it remains unenforceable by either party.
5713  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: UNOfficial AMT Thread round 3: The Uncensored version. on: October 21, 2014, 01:30:59 PM
and more before it goes away...
<snip>

Oh Josh.. you seem to have forgotten just who made that chat room - ME. EVERYTHING POSTED THERE IS 100% ACCURATE. For those who need a refresher course in reality, here you go:
https://sites.google.com/site/hpulhp/home/files/AMT-NDA%20Room%20chats%20to%20date%20names%20REDACTED%20.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1

We've always liked you Rich, but if that were a true skype chat wouldn't you be in breach of your NDA? And no one cares about 200 pages of a bullshit skype chat where you and tony are doing most of the talking. Really, who cares? All of the 156 clients that we have? The micro community that's left on this forum?  Again Rich, with respect please do stay out of these distractions or arguments. Ja is there no relief for the son of a window?
[/quote]

You mean the NDA that you never signed? Takes more than one party to make an agreement bucko. Yes the chat room is 100% true and no I am not in violation.
That aside, the real IP points are all in the pm chats which even though am NOT legally bound to keep sealed (remember? You never signed anything?) I still am. Professionalism and all that ya know? Scratch that - you wouldn't.
5714  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. on: October 21, 2014, 01:24:59 PM
<snip>

Oh Josh.. you seem to have forgotten just who made that chat room - ME. EVERYTHING POSTED THERE IS 100% ACCURATE. For those who need a refresher course in reality, here you go:
https://sites.google.com/site/hpulhp/home/files/AMT-NDA%20Room%20chats%20to%20date%20names%20REDACTED%20.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1

We've always liked you Rich, but if that were a true skype chat wouldn't you be in breach of your NDA? And no one cares about 200 pages of a bullshit skype chat where you and tony are doing most of the talking. Really, who cares? All of the 156 clients that we have? The micro community that's left on this forum?  Again Rich, with respect please do stay out of these distractions or arguments. Ja is there no relief for the son of a window?

You mean the NDA that you never signed? Takes more than one party to make an agreement bucko. Yes the chat room is 100% true and no I am not in violation.
That aside, the real IP points are all in the pm chats which even though am NOT legally bound to keep sealed I will keep private. (remember? You never signed anything?) Professionalism and all that ya know? Scratch that - you wouldn't.
5715  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: UNOfficial AMT Thread round 3: The Uncensored version. on: October 21, 2014, 01:17:56 PM
Posted to remind Joshua Zipkin of Reality

Dear AMT fans and foes,

We realize that some of our clients who have received their machines are feeling a bit hostile. We want to assure everyone that we are putting together a compensation program that will go live on December 15th, 2014 or sooner. We'll do our best to compensate clients their full loss.  Some clients have already been refunded, and we're doing the best we can every week.

Regarding the class action, we are in discovery processes. This is where plaintiffs counsel reviews all of our information, write a response and gives it to the judge to review. 

Regarding FBI claims and the PA Attorney General, we have been in contact with them and we are going to work with them very closely now. And we're excited about that.

Regarding these skype chats that they are throwing around this forum, we'll still stand to say they are complete bullshit manifested by Tony Serrata (aka Opieum2). And honestly, we couldn't give a crap about them.

WHY does Tony Serrata keep posting negative things about us on a daily basis?  Because he thinks we sell more than him. He's afraid of us.

And regarding our sales, as we've said it before we're not selling although we would like to. And the truth is we haven't sold since April 7th, 2014.

Why are we so being open, because even though we're trying to do the right thing the to the customers that want us to make them whole, are the same ones stopping up from bringing in new revenue in order to do that.

We will lay out our 3 month compensation and business plan shortly.

Oh Josh.. you seem to have forgotten just who made that chat room - ME. EVERYTHING POSTED THERE IS 100% ACCURATE. For those who need a refresher course in reality, here you go:
https://sites.google.com/site/hpulhp/home/files/AMT-NDA%20Room%20chats%20to%20date%20names%20REDACTED%20.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1
5716  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official AMT Thread round 3: Future Plans. on: October 21, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
Dear AMT fans and foes,

We realize that some of our clients who have received their machines are feeling a bit hostile. We want to assure everyone that we are putting together a compensation program that will go live on December 15th, 2014 or sooner. We'll do our best to compensate clients their full loss.  Some clients have already been refunded, and we're doing the best we can every week.

Regarding the class action, we are in discovery processes. This is where plaintiffs counsel reviews all of our information, write a response and gives it to the judge to review.  

Regarding FBI claims and the PA Attorney General, we have been in contact with them and we are going to work with them very closely now. And we're excited about that.

Regarding these skype chats that they are throwing around this forum, we'll still stand to say they are complete bullshit manifested by Tony Serrata (aka Opieum2). And honestly, we couldn't give a crap about them.

WHY does Tony Serrata keep posting negative things about us on a daily basis?  Because he thinks we sell more than him. He's afraid of us.

And regarding our sales, as we've said it before we're not selling although we would like to. And the truth is we haven't sold since April 7th, 2014.

Why are we so being open, because even though we're trying to do the right thing the to the customers that want us to make them whole, are the same ones stopping up from bringing in new revenue in order to do that.

We will lay out our 3 month compensation and business plan shortly.

Oh Josh.. you seem to have forgotten just who made that chat room - ME. EVERYTHING POSTED THERE IS 100% ACCURATE. For those who need a refresher course in reality, here you go:
http://bit.ly/1s7U2Yb
5717  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: AMT users thread. on: October 20, 2014, 10:13:33 PM
BTW.... can we sue the AMT lawyers?

Here's an interesting lawsuit by Facebook against the lawyers of a fraudster.

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-sues-paul-ceglia-lawyers-2014-10

If we can find out that AMT lawyers were aware that AMT was committing fraud, then we may be able to sue them too!
While I am not a lawyer, I do believe that once counsel is retained then yes, they too can be complicit in any continuing illegal activities their client does after they are hired ]IF THEY ARE AWARE OF IT[ and give provable aid in said activities as in the link you gave.
5718  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S4 Discussion and Support Thread on: October 20, 2014, 01:33:24 PM
Here's another binary for S4 owners
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/antminer/s4/4.6.1-141018/cgminer

This one works a heck of a lot better on pools that wouldn't work previously, and slightly better on the rest.

Is this an SSH one or firmware?  I'm guessing ssh into the S4 and replace this file, but I'll let you tell me for sure.

Thanks.
Binary for installation via ssh only. I don't do firmware.
And a damn fine job you did with this for the s4! Both units now humming along perfectly on EMC pool Cheesy
Sent ya 0.1 btc remuneration  Smiley
5719  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: AMT fucks us over again on: October 19, 2014, 07:12:22 PM
Went through the Skype chat room and noticed some customer locations. Edited the redacted chat logs to replace locations with, um, <location>. Old pdf has been deleted from my gpage, here is the new link to the pdf
https://sites.google.com/site/hpulhp/home/files/AMT-NDA%20Room%20chats%20to%20date%20names%20REDACTED%20.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1
5720  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] AMT CONFIRMED AMT scammer Joshua Zipkin call to action on: October 19, 2014, 07:11:57 PM
Went through the Skype chat room and noticed some customer locations. Edited the redacted chat logs to replace locations with, um, <location>. Old pdf has been deleted from my gpage, here is the new link to the pdf
https://sites.google.com/site/hpulhp/home/files/AMT-NDA%20Room%20chats%20to%20date%20names%20REDACTED%20.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1
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