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5721  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Buy Bitcoin with sms/phone - Need help/advice on: June 20, 2012, 10:54:10 PM
@stephen
For the 3 countries to come, it will take more time because our audiotel operator need to verify with there legal service if he can continue to work with us....

Doh!   Hopefully that is just for the three new countries and not the service you use for all the others as well.
5722  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to delete wallet addresses/labels? on: June 20, 2012, 09:41:00 PM
Simple way is actually by accessing appdata and deleting manually.

Oh, ...yes, I suppose deleting the entire wallet.dat and starting with an empty one is one way to delete your addresses and labels.  Of course, you'ld only want to do that after making a backup in case you ever would receive coins at an old address at some point in the future.
5723  Economy / Economics / Re: Why don't we just create backing for Bitcoin? on: June 20, 2012, 09:09:30 PM
You know, I didn't come up with this model. The dollar used to be backed by gold as well and it indeed served a function and contributed to the credibility of the dollar.

Right, but gold didn't need to backed by silver, or vice-versa, because gold itself is scarce and the paper used for printing the dollar was not.  Therefore the paper had value because it was backed by something scarce.

Bitcoins are scarce.  The existing and future supply is known. They don't need this backing by gold or anything else.
5724  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Is people are willing to spend their bitcoin against goods? on: June 20, 2012, 08:54:44 PM
Is people are willing to spend their bitcoin against goods? I saw that a lot of people trying to get in business stop their bitcoin activity…

Bitcoin isn't a silver bullet.  If you are selling something that nobody wants, accepting Bitcoin as a payment method isn't going to help you much.

But, for instance, there are businesses that do quite well specifically because they accept bitcoin.

The band Alco, for instance, is one of the albums that has sold well on CoinDL.  After clicking their audio previews I heard music that I like and bought the album for download.  I'm not the only one.  And since I've bought less than five albums in the past decade, I doubt I would ever have known of Alco nonetheless purchased their music unless they were on CoinDL.
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77438.0

In other words, marketing to the Bitcoin community lets a seller expand the market and in some instances, offers an edge.

If you look at the selection of merchants on the Trade page of the Bitcoin wiki, you'll notice that even with hundreds of merchants it is still relatively pretty slim -- it represents just a tiny miniature fraction of all businesses.
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade

But, if you have bitcoins and are looking for web hosting, ... those web hosting providers that accept bitcoins have an edge over the Rackspace/Dreamhost/Hostgator/Bluehost/etc./etc./etc. right?

I'm still waiting for marketers to find bitcoin as something to hitch their wagons to ... it is like free advertising.  I would probably never know about Meze Grill in NYC but because they accept bitcoins (or did at one time), they got national (or worldwide) exposure (at no cost!).
5725  Economy / Economics / Re: Why don't we just create backing for Bitcoin? on: June 20, 2012, 08:41:20 PM
The hard problem seems to be to find the people to put in charge of the organization.

I think the harder problem would be to find the people to put any money up for it.

The reason the concept of "backing" exists is because otherwise an unbacked form of money has the potential to be devalued through inflation of its supply.  Bitcoin doesn't have that potential problem.  Therefore this "backing" doesn't really solve any problem that applies to bitcoin.
5726  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to delete wallet addresses/labels? on: June 20, 2012, 07:39:23 PM
I can't seem to be able to delete them? what is going on?

With the Bitcoin.org client you can easily edit an address to clear the label.

But the ability to delete an address from a wallet is not a built-in part of the client.   One reason is that some people give out an address and it is used multiple times for payments.  If the address were deleted any future payments to that address would not show, and those funds could not be spent.

There is a utility, pywallet, that can be used to go in a forcefully remove an address.

5727  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Critical mass community on: June 20, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
It would be a good experiment to find a small community where all of the merchants and the citizens could be given the tools and perhaps a few starter Bitcoins as a trial run and let Bitcoins take hold as their currency of choice.

Incidentally, a link to your previous thread on the topic:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86828.0
5728  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why aren't I filthy rich yet? It's been like two months. on: June 20, 2012, 06:04:35 PM
The one factor that will change this is awareness - spread the knowledge of Bitcoin.

I carry around a Casasius physical bitcoin and often get the opportunity to show it and use it as a prop to help describe what Bitcoin is.  I also carry a second Casascius bitcoin, opened revealing the private key (previously spent), which is useful to understand how bitcoin is just data that can be used with a mobile or online.

I also have in my wallet in my back pocket a few strips of paper ... each a paper bitcoin wallet from BitAddress:
 - http://www.bitaddress.org
I have funded these with 0.1 BTC and have given them out in the same spirit as the Bitcoin faucet.  I do keep a copy of the private key and let the recipient know to redeem the code in 30 days (e.g., using "redeem" QR scanner on Mt. Gox Mobile app for Android) otherwise I recycle the funds to a new paper wallet address.

Additionally, what helps bitcoin move forward to is actually use Bitcoin today like we expect it will be used in the future.  For instance:

Purchase wireless prepaid refills using Bitcoins (there are now or will be soon three sources for this):
 - http://www.bitmit.net/en/user/TangibleCrypto  (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Cricket, etc.) (to be branded as CellCoin.net )
 
 - http://www.btcbuy.info/CallingCards.cshtml

And coming soon:
 - http://www.bitcoinwireless.com  (from BitInstant)


Or pay for all NewEgg, Amazon, eBay, Barnes & Noble, etc. purchases using bitcoins:
 - https://www.spendbitcoins.com/convert
 - http://www.btcbuy.info/Default.cshtml


Offer to broker the trade of bitcoins for others (friends, family, neighbors, etc.).  If you already have a Dwolla and Mt. Gox account, for example, keep an amount of USDs at bay so that if someone wants bitcoins, you are prepared to help them (which, of course, expands the community and helps us all).  But make sure to impress upon them the need to get set up on their own for the next time.     Same thing goes for someone wanting to cash out -- you can leave an open offer to buy bitcoins.    There is a line though between doing this infrequently and not-for-profit versus someone acting as a money service business in which they might have restrictions (in many jurisdictions).

Learn the bitcoin economy, and what bitcoins can buy.  We all know about Alpaca socks.  But do you know about Bitcoin Deals, which has a catalog of more than a 100,000 products, from travel luggage to toilet tissue:
 - http://www.BitcoinDeals.com

Or did you know that in more than a half dozen cities bus/rail fare transit passes can be reloaded using bitcoins?
 - http://bitfare.org

The Trade page on the Bitcoin wiki continually sees new additions:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade

Are there any "assets" at a bitcoin stock market which are interesting to you perhaps?  They aren't all mining endeavors.  Feed Ze Birds and ZipConf, for instance, are two issues whose success brings further commerce to bitcoin:
 - http://www.GLBSE.com

And Bitcoin doesn't have to be all business.  Do you have a buddy insisting your team isn't going to win?  There's an app for that:
 - http://www.BTCSportsbet.com
Or is there interest in the election?  Right now there is a bet with skewed odds on the chances who will win the presidential election:
 - http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=122
Or any number of topics:
 - http://www.BetsOfBitco.in

What it boils down to is, those holding bitcoins shouldn't just sit on them.  A position can be maintained at a steady level by spending bitcoins on goods and services and then replenishing the position to accommodate for that spending.  These actions help bitcoin businesses make it through this crucial period where the market might naturally not yet be large enough for the business to be viable.  But with each additional bitcoin used in commerce, these businesses can start to justify their existence.  Because the revenue stream for these endeavors is in bitcoins, they then use the proceeds and profits for spending and that spurs further economic activity.  Your spending has a multiplier effect in the bitcoin economy.

And a much wider bitcoin economy is what is needed to justify over the long term the exchange rate at a level anywhere near where it has risen to ($55 million "market cap", currently).
5729  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Giftcards for Bitcoins! (www.giftcoin.net) [NOW WITH SSL!!!] on: June 20, 2012, 04:42:56 PM
The site can't be reached.

DNS issues?

5730  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Selling Bitcoins on eBay analysis on: June 20, 2012, 06:38:38 AM
I'm a eBay seller 400+ feedback and another 200+ feedback on a different site selling digital goods.

You'll likely see that account get suspended doing this.

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67137.0
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84400.msg931307#msg931307
5731  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Help urgently needed with registering GPG key on bitcoin-otc on: June 20, 2012, 06:22:23 AM
;;gpg eregister <my username> MYKEYID

 ;;gpg register <my username> MYKEYID

 ;;bcregister <my username> MYKEYID etc etc

Those are three variations to do the same thing.  Pick one and use that.  eregister is the recommended.  Here's a sample session:

 - http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication#Registration




5732  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I want to buy bitcoin now! on: June 20, 2012, 06:18:26 AM
Where can I buy Bitcoin with a credit card right now??

There are very few options with credit card as payment because of the risk of charge backs.  To accommodate this risk, merchants that do offer this payment method charge a higher fee to do so.

 - http://bitmint.weebly.com/buy.html

With VirWoX you can buy SLL using credit card, then trade SLL for BTC:
 - http://www.VirWoX.com

Physical Bitcoin, paid for with credit card:
 - http://memorydealers.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=bitcoin
5733  Economy / Auctions / Re: BitCrate (domain and source code) on: June 20, 2012, 04:21:47 AM
Can you share any more details?

e.g., how many visits, how much were the ads bringing in, etc.?
5734  Other / Off-topic / BarclayCard PayBand NFC wristband, introduced for #WirelessFest - Closed loop on: June 19, 2012, 07:30:32 PM
BarclayCard PayBand is an NFC wristband to function as a "fast entry, cashless payments" method for use at events.



- http://www.barclaycardpayband.com/
- http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2174931/barclaycard-payband-bring-nfc-payments-wireless-festival

They are guaranteeing against loss from lost or stolen wristbands which is something I would presume they can easily do because no other merchants are walking around at the event with NFC readers.  At the end of the event the wristband is inactivated (purchases using it are no longer accepted) and any funds remaining on the wristband's wallet are swept to the customer's checking account.

I was trying to think if there was a way this same technology could be used where Bitcoin could fill this niche.  Or if there was some other approach that would work. 

I suppose a third party could accommodate this where bitcoins are sent to the address for the wristband and the transactions from there it had some non-bitcoin payments method (so that a lost or stolen wristband could be 'deactivated"), and after the event any unused funds are returned t the sending address (or a ticket printed with a QR code / paper bitcoin, to redeem using a mobile immediately or later redeemed online.

This would allow the wristband to be reused at future events, even with a different merchant.

The problem that PayBand solves is that you can show up to the event without carrying cash and to get access to the "fast service" lanes at the concessions.

The problem with PayBand is that you must have an account with BarclayCard to use it.  Using bitcoin to load funds means this can be offered by a party that isn't a bank.

I can see it being used at events or tourist destinations even, particularly with ones where you are active and carrying a physical wallet / purse are not convenient.
5735  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [Pre-Announce] OpenPay, use your bitcoins at any merchant that takes Visa! on: June 19, 2012, 06:33:35 PM
Is it possible with the bitcoin protocol, to transfer some money (for a hotdog) from wallet A to wallet B, then spend the money from (throwaway) wallet B in the same block? Or must the first transaction A->B be on the blockchain first? If possible, one could give the merchant the keys for wallet B together with a signed transaction A->B.
Having to wait ten minutes or more in the shop might be a dealbreaker though.

The Bitcoin-qt client doesn't support it, but the protocol allows it.  If I remember correctly, older clients used to not relay these transactions where the inputs weren't confirmed but I believe that is no longer an issue.

I raise this issue (one confirmation required between uses) with another type of payment approach where there is a paper (throwaway) wallet:



 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74978.msg831171#msg831171
5736  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Criteria used by Satoshi client to require a fee on: June 19, 2012, 06:06:52 PM
He received 1 BTC. He tried to send that 1 BTC to another address. It went, no fees required. Then he tried to send it again to another address. The client required him a fee. He canceled, and some days after tried again, and then it passed without requiring fees.

So, well, data size and output amounts are not the only criteria... what are the others?

The coin selection algorithm (which is continually revised, version to version) will avoid using the newest coins if it can, to avoid the transaction being considered "low priority".  So the age of the coin is a factor that weighs when the client estimates fees.  I'm not sure the specific algorithm but the rule of thumb is after a day the coin can be used without causing the transaction to be considered "low priority".

The reasoning behind this is likely an anti-spam protection.  Without this, the network could be spammed continually by sending larger BTC transactions back and forth and cause grief without paying fees.  Griefing with larger transactions can still be done without a fee, but not without having a wallet with a large amount of bitcoins so that no coin is used in transactions more than once a day (roughly).

Here are some other sources of information on fees:
 - http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/3403/153
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees
5737  Other / Off-topic / Re: BTC payments coming soon to a store near you! on: June 19, 2012, 05:45:25 PM
The topic of this thread continues here:

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88226.0
5738  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [Pre-Announce] OpenPay, use your bitcoins at any merchant that takes Visa! on: June 19, 2012, 05:44:22 PM
Back home on the ranch...

Whose ranch?  The way I read it, the customer needs a bitcoin client continuously running back "at the ranch" to support delivering that customer's OpenPay transactions.  Is this correct?

So that's the end of the "pick a card, any card" method.  I think it would be a great starting point for getting bitcoins into the real world.

A carder can install at any one of your merchants a card swiper and pin pad (presumably without the merchant's knowledge).  So the carder will eventually have all the information that the customer has ... card #, expiration and PIN.  The carder then creates a magstripe card with that same info and goes shopping at other OpenPay merchants.

What is the protection then from the carder that does this?
5739  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: My transaction got approved in < 10 minutes on: June 18, 2012, 10:41:13 PM
Whats going on? or is blockchain.info lying?

ASIC testing?

Here's a second look.  yes, there were seven blocks in about a ten minute span recently.
 - http://blockexplorer.com/
5740  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How much money is produced every four years... on: June 18, 2012, 10:39:19 PM
I don't like how 10 million BTC has already been mined, I find that absurd.

Why so?
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