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581  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Paper / Offline Litecoin Wallet on: July 07, 2012, 09:38:04 AM
There are at least two ways to store your Litecoin wallet on paper.

One way is using jackjack's version of pywallet with --otherversion=48 to dump all the private keys in the wallet. Make sure the client is not running when you run the script.

The easiest way, if you use a recent enough client, is to use the RPC calls getaddressesbyaccount and dumpprivkey.
582  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why GPU hostile? Why not CPU friendly? on: July 06, 2012, 09:03:20 AM
One problem is that at present very few processors (Westmere, Sandy bridge, Ivy Bridge, Bulldozer) support the AES instruction set.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES_instruction_set#CPUs_with_AES_instruction_set
583  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin - feature request on: July 04, 2012, 09:37:35 PM
As litecoinpool gets near 51% of the network, it begs to question whether or not something could be added to the protocol to protect from the possibility of a 51% attack. For example what if when one party start to get near 51% the protocol automatically "freezes" former blocks to prevent any 'rewriting' of past transactions. By doing this automatically it might give us some piece of mind.

I think the problem is that there's no way to tell if two blocks come from the same entity. We know the hashing power of pools just because pools make their numbers public.
Maybe someone will come and prove me wrong, but I don't think there's any sensible way to completely avoid the possibility of a 51% attack without giving up decentralization.

The good news, let me state this once again, is that even if one single entity has 51% of the hashing power it doesn't mean that this entity is going to use it to attack the chain.
On the other hand, it would be preferable if miners who want to mine in a pool took advantage of the many Litecoin pools that are available, instead of concentrating in one single pool.
584  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin - Safe Mode - You may need to upgrade on: June 28, 2012, 04:31:48 PM
I would try re-downloading the blockchain (or restoring it from a backup).
585  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will bitcoin ASIC mining lead to litecoin or namecoin adoption ? on: June 26, 2012, 02:40:54 PM
Why is it good for users to have a boost in hash rate?
A higher global hash rate usually means a more secure network (assuming the hardware is not used against the network, of course).

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Also, I still don't understand what ASIC is, it's better hardware that's designed specifically for mining bitcoins?
Yes. It is much faster and more power-efficient.

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It involves better software too or no?
No, it's a purely hardware thing.

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How much faster will it be at mining?  Is there some place where I can read lay discussion of this issue, I'm not that technically advanced.  Thanks!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87934.0
586  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will bitcoin ASIC mining lead to litecoin or namecoin adoption ? on: June 24, 2012, 05:10:57 PM
Scrypt, and therefore Litecoin, is highly resistant to GPU, FPGA and ASIC acceleration because of its high memory requirements.

I wouldn't say "highly" in absolute terms, but I do think it is much more ASIC-resistant (in terms of cost-effectiveness) than SHA-256.

In practice, an SHA-256 ASIC needs no memory at all. The non-negligible memory requirements of scrypt, on the contrary, make CPUs and GPUs more similar to an ideal scrypt ASIC, because fewer of their components are "useless" when it comes to hashing.
The simple fact that a scrypt ASIC would need to resemble more closely a CPU by having relatively large amounts (N * 128 kB) of random-access memory would, logically, make it more expensive than a zero-memory SHA-256 ASIC achieving the same speedup over existing CPUs.
587  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will bitcoin ASIC mining lead to litecoin or namecoin adoption ? on: June 24, 2012, 01:01:39 PM
Scrypt, and therefore Litecoin, is highly resistant to GPU, FPGA and ASIC acceleration because of its high memory requirements.
I don't buy this argument.

Quote from scrypt.c:

const int scrypt_scratchpad_size = 131583;
char scratchpad[scrypt_scratchpad_size];

Quote from XC6LX150 data sheet:

Total Block RAM (kb) = 4824

converting bits to bytes I'm getting 617472, which would make litecoin hasher easily fit into the popular Spartan-6 chip already in hands of many miners.


I don't have much experience with FPGAs, but two questions come to mind.

1. How fast is this RAM? Is it fast enough to compete with the L2 cache of modern CPUs?

2. GPUs manage to compensate the lack of local memory by means of massive parallelization, but a lot of global memory is required to do this. If I'm not mistaken, this global memory usually consists of GDDR5 SDRAM, which is still relatively fast. Would it be profitable to make an FPGA with that much quality SDRAM, or would it be cheaper to just get a GPU instead?
588  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: June 15, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
Hi I would appreciate if some little features could be implimented into the litecoinpool site, is there anyone here who could possibly take these from me?

Pools have their own threads on this forum.
The litecoinpool.org thread is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50946.0
You could also send me a personal message or contact me on Freenode, if you prefer.
589  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC solo mining - visible in block explorer? on: June 13, 2012, 09:34:49 PM
yes and it does not seem to work. When I submit transaction id shown in litecoin-qt like this one (mined yesterday)
e0346cbce045778a3562482f9475cf5f86c7139bc46a5de9e970e4d2c99cb071
it shows just links to the various currencies, so I don't get how it should work. But can I use the transaction id to search there?

Entering the txid above in the search box at http://abe.liteco.in/ took me to
http://abe.liteco.in/tx/e0346cbce045778a3562482f9475cf5f86c7139bc46a5de9e970e4d2c99cb071
590  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [LTC] An (even more) optimized version of cpuminer on: June 11, 2012, 08:43:40 AM
I'm getting this error on OS X:

dyld: Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/libidn.11.dylib
  Referenced from: /Users/longdongsilver/./minerd
  Reason: image not found
Trace/BPT trap: 5

Stupid question: did you try installing libidn via macports?
Also, what version of OS X are you running?
591  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [LTC] An (even more) optimized version of cpuminer on: June 07, 2012, 11:03:50 PM
Will those speedups be visible while running on a 32 bit OS underneath ?
The short answer is: only for Intel Atom. Other CPUs running in 32-bit mode shouldn't see any significant difference in performance.

Nevertheless, all Windows users are encouraged to upgrade, because of point #2 above:
  • On Windows, thread priority is now set instead of process priority. This should solve most problems concerning system responsiveness.
592  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [LTC] An (even more) optimized version of cpuminer on: June 07, 2012, 09:11:44 PM
Version 2.2.2

  • Modest speedups for all x86-64 processors, ranging in most cases from 1% to 3%; about 4% for AMD K8, and about 8% for Intel Atom.
  • On Windows, thread priority is now set instead of process priority. This should solve most problems concerning system responsiveness.
  • scrypt is now about 12% faster on ARM11.
  • Fixed a bug that only made one CPU core accessible on Android.
  • A new option (--background) is available to start minerd as a daemon on *nix systems.

The source code is, as always, available at GitHub. Windows binaries are available here. Please note that I have updated DLLs to the latest version of libcurl; older DLLs are no longer needed.

Thanks go to guruvan, xurious and aaa801!
593  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [LTC] An (even more) optimized version of cpuminer on: June 07, 2012, 07:08:16 PM
Running with "--no-longpoll" gives no HTTP errors at all.
But also no shares (neither valid or invalid but zero shares, even when playing with the scantime).
That is the strangest thing of all, and even though I tried I cannot reproduce the problem. With or without long polling, with or without a proxy, I always get shares. It is possible that some of the shares are detected to be stale and are not submitted, but unless the server (or the proxy) is very slow to respond that shouldn't happen frequently. Try using the -D option to see if that is the case.

Now, let me try to make a list of the various errors that have been reported.

Code:
HTTP request failed: The requested URL returned error: 503
I tried mining at MaxBTC for a couple hours, but I was unable to reproduce the problem. I'll keep trying.

Code:
HTTP request failed: Recv failure: Connection reset by peer
If we are to believe libcurl, this means that the connection was closed by the remote server.
I don't think there's much the miner can do to avoid the error, apart from silently ignoring it. Maybe I should consider doing that for the long polling connection?

Code:
HTTP request failed: necessary data rewind wasn't possible
Under "normal" conditions, data rewind shouldn't be needed: it is usually only necessary for resuming interrupted uploads or for multi-pass authentication.
I suppose the "Operation timed out after 30001 milliseconds with 0 bytes received" error is linked to this.
Implementing data rewind is pretty simple in our case, and cannot do any harm, so I will try to implement it and see if anything changes.
594  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [LTC] An (even more) optimized version of cpuminer on: June 07, 2012, 10:57:26 AM
Pontius, have you tried disabling long polling to see if you still get the same kind of errors?
595  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [LTC] An (even more) optimized version of cpuminer on: June 06, 2012, 07:06:15 PM
Pontius: regarding 503 errors, they must be generated by the proxy you're connecting through. I contacted p2k, the author of the ecoinpool software used by OzCoin, and he said that under no circumstance the server emits 503 errors.

This one looks like a proxy issue. But if so why is this only with cpuminer?
That is the question. Smiley

Just for testing, I tried mining against eu.ozco.in through a public proxy server for a few hours, but I got no errors. At this point I wonder if this is an issue with the particular proxy you're connecting to. Is it a public one, or is there any way I could connect to it to do some direct testing?
596  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: June 06, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
Nothing is ASIC hostile. Nothing.
Go read again the definition of ASIC please  Smiley

It is my understanding that, in terms of cost-effectiveness, scrypt can be regarded as relatively ASIC-hostile.
Of course you could design a fast (relative to a desktop CPU/GPU) ASIC for scrypt, but because of the memory requirements of scrypt wouldn't it turn out to be way more expensive than a fast ASIC for, say, SHA-256?
No. There is no "ASIC hostile" things  Undecided It would be like saying "scrypt is computer hostile"...

I do not mean "hostile" as in "an ASIC would be inefficient". That would be just ridiculous, and I'm sure we both agree on that point.
What I mean is, instead, that the transition to ASIC mining would bring a smaller speedup than it would for Bitcoin.
Suppose that for Bitcoin you spend X to build an ASIC and you get a speed ratio of Y relative to CPU model Z.
What I mean by "hostile" is that to get the same speed ratio relative to the same CPU model you would have to spend significantly more than X.


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Why it should be more expensive?

Because the memory requirements of SHA-256 are virtually zero, and memory (the type of memory used for caches in particular) is not free.
597  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [LTC] An (even more) optimized version of cpuminer on: June 05, 2012, 08:22:44 PM
Pontius, that's strange. I have briefly tested Bitcoin mining at OzCoin and BTCGuild and everything seems to work fine.
Do you get the error as soon as you start the miner, or only after some time?

By the way, I ignore what those pools' particular software mean by 503, but usually status code 503 means "The server is currently unable to handle the request due to a temporary overloading or maintenance of the server".

I would try running the miner with the protocol dump turned on  (-P flag), maybe that could provide some clue as to what's going on.
598  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: June 04, 2012, 10:55:03 AM
Nothing is ASIC hostile. Nothing.
Go read again the definition of ASIC please  Smiley

It is my understanding that, in terms of cost-effectiveness, scrypt can be regarded as relatively ASIC-hostile.
Of course you could design a fast (relative to a desktop CPU/GPU) ASIC for scrypt, but because of the memory requirements of scrypt wouldn't it turn out to be way more expensive than a fast ASIC for, say, SHA-256?
599  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [LTC] An (even more) optimized version of cpuminer on: June 03, 2012, 04:57:54 PM
Could you add this switch to the OP? "--algo scrypt" stating this is the correct switch to use with litecoin & not to use the --algo sha256d.

"--algo scrypt" is the default, you don't need to specify it. The "--algo sha256d" option was only added in version 2.2.


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Other than that I am mining at 20 KH/s with my i3-2100 & I am sure the ram helps a lot which I got tight timings ram which is this set here F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM, set @ 8-8-8-23 in the bios.

Well, to be honest I doubt RAM can affect the miner's performance. All the memory used by the miner should fit into L2 cache.
600  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [LTC] An (even more) optimized version of cpuminer on: June 03, 2012, 09:46:26 AM
Is this normal?

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Using
minerd.exe --url http://lc.ozco.in:9332/ --userpass *removed*.*removed*:*removed* --threads 4 --algo sha256d

You are connecting to a Litecoin pool (lc.ozco.in) but then you tell the miner to use the Bitcoin algorithm (--algo sha256d) instead of the Litecoin one.
Please make up your mind.

It is important to understand that the --algo option doesn't work the same way as it did in the original cpuminer by jgarzik. In the original version you had a bunch of implementations of the same algorithm (SHA-256d) to choose from, while here you have two completely different algorithms, which are not interchangeable. If you try to use "--algo=sha256d" to mine Litecoins all you will get is invalid shares.
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