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581  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 27, 2015, 06:56:34 PM
@1900sat
lmao dat epic price for a coin with 8 coins BlockReward
total fail
soil is one of the most unfair "coin" ever for mining

well, the market sets the value, which ive said all along. eventually, when the firesale SOIl has been distributed outwardly, the push of miner profit/market price will even out. its a supply and demand thing. with 400,000 mined SOIL and 50,000 testnet SOIL, there are 165,000 SOIL on the sellers wall at the market. nearly a third. as my earlier post pointed out, the approximately 50,000 SOIL bounty deductions were deducted from the community reserves and no SOIL had been withdrawn from the developers wallets.

truly, this is the community settings it's own price, for now. we will be adding implementations and building recognition. this is as much of a roadmap i can give for the coming weeks. middleware DApps integrated into the system, platform translations, ease-of-mining are the areas we should be focusing on right now, building the contracts that will enable other contracts to speak with eachother, within a network of interactions like clockworks. android wallet and full featured block explorer. a functioning GUI mining application..

letters introducing perspective industry endusers are being written, providing an alternative to the costly cloud server application subscription services. remarking on the benefits of a reliant programmatic network on top of an unalterable block chain. when i started out looking at this project, i set my first big milestone at about two years, around the point we halve the block reward, with about 14 million minted SOIL. thats not a big number if you think about it, compared to some of the crazier altcoins on the marketplace... to the high OR low side... and being able to have the middleware layer of DApps running underneath the larger scale DApps, that interact with the enduser. two years of development work.

the network is THERE now. its a digital ENTITY. now it needs to be written upon, the scalability of it must be tested. as for the market value for the commodity of SOIL, i cant affect that, i wouldnt want to be able to affect it. i see it as an incentive to work harder to exponentially increase our value with ongoing work and marketing of the product we have built.

a coin only fails when its developers abandon it. i have a strong vision of what this global virtual machine CAN do. i can visualize how we can serve a specific industry sector, thus making it possible other focused blockchains will emerge. many retail giants have discussed issuing their own branded altcoin. McBucks anyone? WalDollars? a commecialization of the blockchain was inevitable. as is specific blockchain communities. with ETH-based protocol, whats good on one will translate to another, so that the whole of the ETH-platform based crypto should be theoretically able to speak to eachother, to interact. how long until the NHL (showing my canadian pride here) decides to build a private chain with team hosted applications and user interaction, using the coin generated by computational processing borrowing for mining, as tokens for use within a self-contained branded storefront...

with SOIL, i think we can push those boundries out, testing how the whole might interact with its parts, how visionaries like piper merriem can rebuild the internet without middlemen between you and me, and how we can adapt that for SOIL. within a few years, maybe itll be "yeah, theres a DApp for THAT!" but we're only now having the first few major projects starting to populate on the ETH platform. theres still a lot of pushing at the borders, and now its a matter of finding out where and how and which of those emergent technologies is practical and relevant to the SOIL network? does having a low market price/gas price, computationallly speaking, make SOIL a better place to do business, economically speaking?

this is our new reality for SOIL you, the community sets the price that you are willing to buy and sell SOIL for. i have purchased small amounts of SOIL on the market, it remains an investment for me. at this end, its time to build the middleware layer on the network on top of the blockchain, make it more interactive and user-expedient. its time to present what we've built and its benefits to the industry beyond where we will biuld our business towards. we're TEN DAYS since launch. this coin isnt going to fail, itll find its legs.

i cant understand how its an unfair coin for mining? the mining profit needed to mine a coin is reduced on SOIL based on its low value that the market set, much of it is what has been mined, so in its way thats truly the most democratic market that can be set. with miners migrating out lower hashrates and difficulty set by the gravity well algo wil tailor the system to maintain its distribution schedule to lower hashrated mining. solo mining will become profitable again and the price rises. i understand that a perceptually low block reward might keep miners away who are looking for big profits now, after all, its a monetary business... but lower availability as time continues against the finite level of SOIL to be minted, will raise the price as well.

the markets GLUTTED. thats it. pull some off the low sell lists and the price goes up. its hard to be patient in the cryptocurrency world where its all about turning a profit. in building SOIL and working towards something a whole lot bigger within it, for me, this isnt about profit, its about the future. where something small now might build into something complex and interconnected and alive in its own right.

582  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 27, 2015, 01:11:02 PM
this was sitting on my to-do list, the public ledger for the community reserve, even though we've got low valuation right now, the basic premise of transparency remains especially important.

COMMUNITY FUND ADDRESS: 0x3204a79b0245c5e1d5efe39179017a1c6c00b322
OPENING BALANCE (OCT17/15): 800 000.0 SOIL

TRANSACTIONS:
BLOCK 5544: 0xc267900b138063378128fb1c24d263dc0766fb1d  2000.0   SOIL
BLOCK 5787: 0x4ea0be2fc06c8f0db3ee6eaf0a193f191461b55b   5000.0   SOIL
BLOCK 5812: 0x6b735d148fd9248b40e2d42b6c99ac5e4991fc83   323.601 SOIL
BLOCK 5823: 0x0df95691d1a42e5714214f86540eade305538185   33.023  SOIL
BLOCK 5834: 0xdf594b9343fd220f7c428a390301e725629e27e8  2030.577 SOIL
BLOCK 5841: 0x07a3944fceb1413b1b16c97a9f0dac42cf002ba7      61.5    SOIL
BLOCK 5863: 0xe09f13db88d976d8aeb23a8750df72cc3670a00b  3064.101 SOIL
BLOCK 5875: 0x895d4bfd8f626085db2edeca7391e2571378968d  5000.0    SOIL
BLOCK 5884: 0x0cb1ed18135ac6590885aff190748b252bdd0129      2.25   SOIL
BLOCK 5948: 0x892929fbf6e0beac3b3c66ae86234426571d925b   279.164 SOIL
BLOCK 5982: 0x892929fbf6e0beac3b3c66ae86234426571d925b   259.384 SOIL
BLOCK 5988: 0x8bbd533a00dc0b09c509e93987557fafaa562b0f    279.164 SOIL
BLOCK 6019: 0x29d983e684ceeefed2657c558634f38d95906221   549.141 SOIL
BLOCK 6056: 0x97854e0e6e66a703e301f4da457a28c3ca15c9ee  1145.906 SOIL
BLOCK 6065: 0x0fcf5013caa0180f79b9bdb88a83d579324be58b     107.414 SOIL
BLOCK 6104: 0x1c4036c6190db2ec8aa5af7a12ed95276f741773     443.5    SOIL
BLOCK 6112: 0x1c4036c6190db2ec8aa5af7a12ed95276f741773    3000.0   SOIL
BLOCK 6113: 0xdf594b9343fd220f7c428a390301e725629e27e8     3000.0   SOIL
BLOCK 6159: 0x173eda856d3056a3be15caa2065295883ce61c04   3000.0   SOIL
BLOCK 9220: 0x0df95691d1a42e5714214f86540eade305538185    3000.0   SOIL
BLOCK 9228: 0x07a3944fceb1413b1b16c97a9f0dac42cf002ba7     3000.0   SOIL
BLOCK 9234: 0x54697e20e8e2bf6384e17b68795bf1b2b944c01e    5000.0   SOIL
BLOCK 9246: 0xe51c852892c964d2ef1a82f33e63256238ea62dd      669.796 SOIL
BLOCK 9258: 0x36d68473a821f1fe7a45686927b0947bf2fa372d     3000.0    SOIL
BLOCK 9261: 0x9492b1b55209269fcd03678edd24e4919ba8a23f      134.599 SOIL
BLOCK 9267: 0xdb499305d88ba88ab5836fcb962eec88a06972e7      63.679 SOIL
BLOCK11757: 0xaf889adda19f178514453cbf9ca63737d364930c     1805.085 SOIL
BLOCK12576: 0x66a470d4c46af122c2a8fe5326129da1e73e8e6a    1790.0    SOIL
BLOCK20620: 0x66a470d4c46af122c2a8fe5326129da1e73e8e6a    1210.0    SOIL

COMMUNITY RESERVE BALANCE AS OF OCT27/15 (BLOCK  49950) 746 717.990 SOIL

DEVELOPERS WALLETS:
soil:        0xafc571db22ca80776def02150955026ff7329467           150 000.050 SOIL
abvhiael: 0xe46731382fbc47621a6c480d4b6118026bbbcb3a            50 001.000 SOIL


presently working on a roadmap for you all, where we're going, on the marketable side of things. im sure soil will present where the programmatic side of things is going as well. i just wanted to post the above to get that ledger adjustments done. as you can see, the development core hasnt dumped any SOIL on the markets, the price and volume is entirely in the hands of the community. we will continue working on this project, and updating when we have something to announce.

one question, in looking at simple migration of parallel ETH-based technology, what is everyones experiences with AlethOne with regards to GPU mining? it would be nice to have a streamlined mining process, especially for the casual non-technical user, anyone who shrinks at the sight of the CLI. something similar-ish for SOIL would help clean up the package and mining. how does AlethOne (and Zero) handle the mining GPU-rigs? multiple rigs? ive been loking into that sort of platform for a few days, just wanted some opinions...
583  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 26, 2015, 11:54:28 AM
This is what happens when you wait 3 weeks for exchange and refuse lesser ones to start with.  Roll Eyes



it took us one week from launch to be listed on an exchange, and the only exchange we "refused" was asking cryptsy to be removed from their voting list, which was a decision reached when more and more stories began surfacing about potential problems occurring surrounding that exchange. (they ignored that and we're still listed on the voting page)  your statement above is hardly accurate by any means. i spent much of last week writing as many exchanges, including many of the smaller ones, looking to have SOIL listed. we managed to do so within one week, on one of the exchanges that the community stated many times they wanted us listed on.

i also apologize that i could find no way to verify your claims regarding the testnet mining of 9000 SOIL that you statetd to have done. as you hadnt provided yourtest wallet address, and we have no backup stats for each wallet that mined the testnet,(that information was purged when we launched the mainnet), i could not find anything. there had been ample time to provide the testnet wallet to us for a bounty, and i did look into your situation in the pursuit of fairness as long as i could.

development and work on teh project continues, but developmental and big market announcements arent something that going to happen every single day. these things take time, which ive been clear on since day one.

i still put in several hours a day on this project and will continue to do so. ill assist where i can with issues that crop up in the community. ill continue to research where technological advancements within the ETH-platform community can be used appropriately with SOIL. ill continue to write retail storefronts and industry concerns relating to our work on SOIL and how we could integrate with their business needs.

584  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 26, 2015, 11:14:33 AM
nah, I regret. Regret that I believed in SOIL.


Seems like there is no project manager -> nobody from DevTeam is trying to show that they know HOW to build brand recognition. responsibility, how to communicate with users.

Just long-stories about great initiative which needs huge amount of work. Where is this huge work?  Even from yesterday, no activity, no support, no answer. Looks like they left behind. No hope, abandon your good faith.
It is sad !!!

yesterday was sunday, and sometimes a family day is necessary. the work ive been doing, writing different retailers and introducing them to the concept of SOIL and its attendant blockchain. this is what ill keep doing. a mere 24 hours of noncommunication doesnt make an abandonment.

it took us a week to get listed on teh exchanges, and people started to dump as quick as they could, which is their right, a good 40% of minted soul has been dumped on the market, and ive actually been buying it up as i can. we're working on porting SOIL towards an android wallet, along with something similar to "ethereum stats" on android.

im saddened that so many, so quickly, lost faith in SOIL. certainly mining needs to be profitable, but i cant control the market or what someone is willing to pay or sell for SOIL. i cant control the impatience of those that need instant gratificatoin. the mining and block verification apparatus is the engine that drives the system, and i'll continue mining it irregardless. i still believe in the project and hope that those that have lost any faith in it go on to make money in whatever new coin they find to work on. i still have a plan with SOIL, and will continue to follow it. andi hope that when we do make those steps forward towards what is envisioned, those that have walked away will return.

a strong cryptocurrency takes time to build. sadly, many in the community expect new shiny features every day and BIG NEWS! every other day. ive stated what we want to do with this currency, what sort of service we can build, and will continue working towards that. it takes a lot of futuristic thinking to truly envision what a platform such as SOIL is capable of, commercially speaking, so if we're ahead of our time with what we envision, we'll still be here working when the rest of cryptocurrency catches up with us.
585  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 24, 2015, 04:06:31 PM
poloniex necessary to go out there for trading volumes, and many traders. here without a good amount of participants and the price will drop to extremes, and everything will be lost.We are looking for investors. Now not even wanting to buy a product that costs 10 times less than the stated price.

Yeah, we need Poloniex.

Right now, according to suprnova - http://prntscr.com/8uqo5q , we can mine about 1.44 soil/MH per day.
Ethereum - 0.07 eth/MH per day.
Soil mining is about 20 times easier that Ethereum.

Ethereum price is 0.0019 BTC.
So, soil must have price of about 0.0019 / 20 = 0.000095 BTC (let's round that to 0.0001) for its mining to be as profitable as Ethereum's.

I don't know why I've calculated all that Smiley just for curiosity.

Poloniex would be nice.

Quoting for the OP: 'SOIL will focus the delivery of smart contracts to a specific sector of industry, thus building a trusted brand. SOIL will approach the ecological and
agricultural stratum of the commercial world, bridging the gap between cryptocurrency and real-world applications of a progressively automated business sector."

There has to be something that SOIL can be used to that sector of business in the near future, may it be product and/or service. Also, a rough ideas of a possible DAPPS for the commercial usage.

this all depends on how you view "near-future". if you expect fully integrated DApps with large scale industry assimilation within weeks, or a month, you will be disappointed. ive stated before that i think it will take a minimum of six months before we see any early and consistent usage and population of Distributed Applications being run on the blockchain. SOIL is still UNKNOWN. the blockchain and overlying contract-capable platform are very simply the foundation of the project, something that only NOW being understood on projects like ETH, the "parent system" behind SOIL. people are only NOW starting to understand what the potentialities of the ETH-based platform is CAPABLE of, which is pretty damned well near ANYTHING. what we have, with SOIL, and its underlying programmatic value; is a future information technology service and application infrastructure.

yeah, that sounds like just a bunch of words. but how do you describe from the cornerstone of a cathedral what its finished architecture will look like? i look at this whole project much like building a house, how its done here in canada. first you dig the hole (out of the very SOIL itself, pun intended) [our initial vision where this project could lead, what is possible], then you level it, build the forms for the basement walls [the testnet], then you pour the foundation [the live SOIL blockchain]. on top of that you build your framing, [the programmatic language], and then floors and walls and ceilings [the virtual machine space architecture], and then paint and furniture [the DAPP-scape]. then you put siding on it [marketing and assimilation]. each layer is supporting and supported with the others in which it interacts. so far, weve poured the foundation, we're now slowly building the framework..

if you want specifics, on the market we are aiming to serve, to bring towards this technology, ive looked into dozens of companies that already use cloud-server based applications running data acquisition and analytics for modern farms, which maintain high subscription fees. for a single example, specifically, drone usage for farm mapping is a HUGE industry. both qudri-copter and fixed wing agricultural drones are employed towards "automated agricultural intelligence". these arent hobbyist copters you get at best buy or the electronics hobby shop. these cost around $12k. theyre completely programmable and autonomous. post-flight, data is uploaded to a cloud server for processing, which generally takes a few hours. the MONTHLY subscription cost for basic analytical return from these services ranges between $90-100. more advanced data analytics can cost monthly subscriptions of $150-200. PER DRONE.

SOIL was not designed as a speculative currency. it was designed as the fuel to run these analytic operations. SOIL will make this SPECIFIC example more streamlined, cheaper, and uptime reliant. we can reduce the server costs to the end user, which is what makes it attractive. this is about a focused scalability of the technology. the end product for autonomous agricultural integration is VERY MUCH a "just on the horizon" destination, its already THERE. but COSTLY.

where autonomous agriculture is GOING, thru the natural evolution of the technology surrounding it, is HIGHLY server oriented, and a decentralized network like blockchain technology is necessarily a logical extension of those systems. at its best, we aim to create a context-aware and intelligent service system. with DAPPs toolkits becoming more sophisticated, there opens the very real adoption of the blockchain into customer-driven services management and resource allocation. the virtual architecture of the programmatic contract driven infrasturcture on top of the blockchain and the autonomous end user precision agricultural user are connected. the blockchain also presents the opportunities for creation of DAOs (decentralized autonomous organizations) which can provide various services and resource cooperation between three layers of the system.

SOIL is the bridge between the Real Intelligent Space (the user who wants to access an intelligent service or contract) and the Physical Space (the user-owned real physical devices including sensors, controls and networks) SOIL becomes the Virtual Intelligent Space, which generates situation information or contexts, and is an organized community with service resources (DAPPs) to complete systematic and technological functions. a SOIL based blockchain architecture can provide a cloud-like surperstructure with more anonymity, reliancy and security; for data analysis, GPU-instances, and parallelized number crunching.

even this Virtual Intelligent Space is populated by layers. beyond the mining and speculative currency market driven block verification apparatus, the engine, to reach the end user who wants to manage his farm system with an android app and not have to worry about using local and vulnerable servers performing data analysis for him, there become intelligent service and contract coordination applications, as well as intelligent service and contract management layer applications, creating what overall becomes an intelligent service plan engine which provides data analysis and context-aware autonomous device solutions on demand, in a dedicated and reliant manner.

SOIL will ultimately reduce the capital intensive investments current thru commercial cloud-based services, using SOIL as its fuel and currency. the scaled cost of providing those computational processes needed by the DAPP enduser can reduce as the value of SOIL increases, providing a stable level of overall cost to them, and the minted number of SOIL decreases within a few years. a much more stable and slow release, with available supply creates a strong market, which is realized not in days or months but years. this is the long term goal, beyond simple coin specifics.

precision agricultural software utilization on the SOIL platform can itself develop and deliver intelligent services to even small-farm owners with reduced IT-investment and little expertise on the endusers side necessary. the precision agriculture industry is growing by 13% a year.  the key value driver in the development of precision agriculture is DATA — collecting it, analyzing it, and using it. although data COLLECTION will remain a local responsibility on the endusers side, a virtual machine environment such as SOIL can accelerate the data analysis services and reduce the barriers to farmers needing actionable intelligence in realtime.

because the realization of this market evolution is beginning to gain widespread acceptance by the industry, and approaching SOIL as a business plan instead of a grand experiment, we will create a REAL value for the coin. what specifically is in store in teh short term, i cant say. within the next month or so we'll have ported applications to other mediums, we'll improve the delivery and accessibility of the asset management systems (wallets) and mining ability. we'll improve the underlying accounting and transparent management of the system. working towards retail acceptance as a whole, small scale into larger recognition and acceptance, and that sort of real world use makes for a strong increasive market trend.

i cant, and WONT, promise you the moon. i CAN promise you that we have specific directions to take this project, and that we are prepared for the time-intensive nature of bringing this product to that maturation.
586  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 24, 2015, 02:03:13 PM
We are now at the dump phase. 11k sat means 35 BTC whole worth of Soil wich is funny. It take it plase soon, probably 50k is a realistic price when dev share his future plans.
For now I prefer to buy, it is cheaper than mining, no costs. Weak hands will fill my pockets as always. Smiley

Don't bother, 7K satoshi now, to be honest I think the whole marketcap of this fork should be 0 satoshi in order to be fair. There are no development plans. Just yet another useless fork and "developers" (don't call them developers) don't even know why the hell they pushed fork button on github. Currently this crap in a big decline and miners will hop back to ethereum causing network to die. We all will forget it within a week, just like Shift and Expanse shit dead.

ETH is a technology, not a currency at all, well maybe just with in-game currency. There are full time paid developers with skills working on a project, how 2 anonymous devs are going to handle fork is questionable. Seriously, why yet another fork if there is already system working and backed by huge funds? The biggest thing they can do is periodic pulling from main repo.

You both said that are ready to buy it, can you tell me how much coins you already bought?

PS: 2 words about "community". Soil community consist of several newbie accounts that are "excited about future of this coin", such shills are excited in every thread in this shithole. And almost forgot, it also consist of several farmers waiting to sell their instamine.

well, you ARE entitled to your opinion. the present dump of what was being held WAS expected, we produced a very generous testnet bounty program, and many of those coins WILL find themselves on the market, the massive farms that hit the system in the first few hours will want to sell, thats their reason for having mined it in the first place, the same as any ETH-platform derivative thats hit the market so far..... our focus wasnt to have low volumes and the price of SOIL is less important RIGHT NOW than youd think.

but the market itself will find its feet. a decreasing supply on the market, once the "just sell it at whatever i can get" holders have expended their SOIL... coupled with further evolution of the system itself... will drive the price upwards, and slowly. but there will always be people like yourself who spread as much negativity on a project as they can. and thats also to be expected. miners WILL leave, certainly, the "get rich quick off the backs of others" farm owners... mining is a monetary proposition, and profit incentivation always drives currency among speculators and miners. their withdrawl towards other currencies will serve one purpose, which is to democratize the mining process, ensuring those who remain working the system will receive a larger share of the block. the system itself wont die out as you say, as long as a single miner continues to validate the blockchain, the system is alive and growing. thats the simplicity of the whole system.

if you care to live in the short term, thats your perogative. this ISNT a short term project by any means, and my focus isnt on today, its on six months down the road, what we need to do before then, which is a great deal of parallel development and heavy duty marketing to the market we wish to break into. i have no illusions regarding the hard work ahead, have been prepared for that from the moment i stepped onto this project.

we arent backed by huge funds and corporations pushing for specific return on investment schedules. we arent beholden to the whims of outside backers deciding which way to push the project. this has been done on our own time, and to this date, ive "spent" several hundred hours of my time on this project and have not made a single penny in wages. i dont expect a profit and wages at this point, that would be irresponsible. like i said, this isnt about the small moves made in the first week of going "live". this is about where we will be in six months.

if you believe that this project will be dead in that time, thats your right. i believe in the project, and am prepared to do the hard work necessary to move this project into relevance over the long term, and the weight of that is on my shoulders, not yours. you can choose to remain with the project, mining it, holding it, selling it, whatever. or you can choose to walk away now and read about us in the news in a year when we've bridged that gap between responsible real world implementation of the project and speculative cryptocurrency.

ive seen that you have investment into other currencies, you created your ETH-proxy platform, wallets for other coins.. and i applaud the work youve done on AEON, XMR and others... you understand teh work ahead for us, even if you dont understand the roadmap we have to follow, the direction we are working towards. something you said in another thread: " it does not matter who mining it, you just can't live with a sense that someone made good investment and now collecting fruits", and i hope, when we have brought our valuation up, when we have delivered on our promises down the road and have real-market (as opposed to alt-market) acceptance that you wont be frustrated by becoming the object of your own derision.

i dont expect you to buy into our vision, thats where we have to PROVE ourselves, but to call us "anonymous" developers, ive been very open to my identity, and while im not a hyper experienced altcoin developer, im also not tarred with the history of having produced vanity coins and failed currencies in the past either. i AM an experienced businessman, and understand that ANY worthwhile project is NOT a get-rich-NOW scheme.

i have turned unrelated projects from inception of an idea into a real-world commodity. it wasnt crypto that i built and marketed and found real world acceptance. i turned the basic idea of eco-tourism behind waterfalls and hiking in my home province into a published book on the subject, a website with 2000 unique visitors a day and an online community that counts 3500 active members. my photography of the subject is recognized as being the most comprehensive and has also become (thru 10x14 prints and the acrylic on canvas paintings i produce a half dozen of a year) a wage earning project. ive created a not-for-profit organization with a stable board of directors, some of whom are instantly recognizable personages within the environmental concerns. that project, for me, has taken 6 years to this point, and has required a level of committment you might not understand. until my boook has been published, my profit from my work had been negligible. but i believed in the project, and went from a simple idea to bring hikers to previously unknown waterfalls in my geographical location to being the authority of such, and running a foundation for the preservation of these sites that now has ownership of 500 acres of land surrounding several sites, with a real-value of about $200,000 dollars.

certainly, all we have right now is "promises" for the future of SOIL, but ive also been very clear how much work remains, and those who arent patient for that will sell now and move on to the next shiny thing. and complain about that too. generally with four-letter single-syllable words. all ANY coin has, truthfully, is promises. we aim to show with forward momentum, that we can incrementally move towards those promises. ive stated many times that we wont have SOIL where we envision in a month, or six. we've also stated that we are in this for the long haul and will be working hard to move this project towards that vision. we have been live for merely a single week at this point, and on the markets for less than 24 hours. if you want to make your prognosis, thru cursing and denegration, at this point, then thats your choice. i hope we prove you to be completely wrong.

with SOIL, we have MANY months of hard work ahead to begin implementing the next early stages of the project. you think we had no plan or idea when we began the project, but you couldnt be more wrong. we have a very detailed plan. we have stages of implementation, none of which is an instant market saturation, and NEXT-BIG-THING promise in the real world, there is no such thing as an immediate finished product that is lasting. every altcoin with a long life takes time and personal investment. we are aware of the continuing work that needs to be done. we are aware of the complexity of that work.

launching the coin, getting it onto an exchange.. these are the baby steps of a larger project, and we're going to be constantly improving and working on where we want to go. like ETH, i see SOIL as something much more than exchange fodder as a speculative currency. the "money" side of SOIL is MOSTLY immaterial, especially at this early date. what can be built UPON the blockchain, the specific target of industry that is completely unrepresented within a digital currency and globally connected virtual machine at this point, IS the point.

your statement regarding ETH needs a little more detail. yes, the developers of ETH are "paid developers" but where does that money come from? the community. how much money are they making a month? several of these developers have publicly stated yearly wages of $190,000, $180,000, $150,000. AND theyre suffering massive funding problems and have failed to deliver on their target dates for second stage implementation. they have significant equity in the project, but are taking specifically high wages for their continued work, relying on secondary and tertiary funding to continue the project. my stake in this project is the amount i received as a developers reserve. what that is worth, or BECOMES worth, is all on the back of what work i do on the project to increase the base value of the asset. im notexpecting to become a millionaire overnight, but i do look at this project as the building blocks towards a career doing something that i love, building an organization that is set up to succeed in the long term. we dont suffer from short sightedness or underconfidence. we didnt engage in an ICO, we funded this project thru our own hard work and with our own time. we shared that profit potential with the testnet contributors and allowed the market to find its own base of value, which is low right now. a slow steady increase in value, driven by a slow steady increase of implementation will create a stable economy for SOIL, which will contribute to its long lasting success.

any software project that is considered finished is one that is already dead. we are nowhere NEAR finished, we arent even on the same CONTINENT as finished. where we are right now in SOILs development is less about the financial considerations of a young currency, and more about the technology being developed and the marketing of that beyond the normal confines of the cryptocurrency world. as developers, we arent making wages commensurate to what our duties would pay if we worked for someone else. we arent making salaries AT ALL. we have a stake in our own currency, which by holding, shows a committment to the work still needed in the project. ive watched and read where so many other coins go wrong, and have planned how to circumvent those. that also includes FUDsters like you that immediately pronounce a coin dead when you arent getting what YOU want from it, which is huge profit for little work.

yes, that is the driving force behind capitalism. it ISNT the driving force behind SOIL. we have a small community presently, definitely. but widespread fame and infamy is not what drives us. a dedicated user base and transparent communication with that community, is stronger than a loose disorganized anonymous mob. that being said, i wish you the very best of luck with what other projects you are involved with presently and with what ever projects you choose to become involved with in teh future. if you have chosen not to be a member of this community, we will miss you, but we wont wither on teh vine without your input, either. hopefully, in six months, i can send you a PM and show you how wrong you were, and convince you at that time to return to SOIL and become a contributing member
587  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 24, 2015, 02:20:41 AM
i suppose i should mention, as well, that the verbiage on bittrex when making a deposit was simply ported over from ethereum, can basically be disregarded.

the SOILsafe GUI wallet makes those transactions much easier than CLI.
588  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 24, 2015, 02:01:19 AM
the first publicly traded share of SOILcoin, October 24, 2015 00:14:47 UTC. .00049478 BTC a share ($0.135USD). 2.0 SOIL sold. Cost: .00095974 BTC.... about 27 cents US.

this first sale produces a market capitalization, with all currently minted SOILcoins at somewhere in the neighbourhood of $175,000USD. this includes the community fund (from which the testnet bounties sprung forth) and developers reserves, as well as total mined coins more or less, in the total mintage

this produces, when you look at the charts on coinmarketcap.com, the 100th most valuable cryptocoin, in terms of market capitalization.. with a fairly low sale, but what the market wants to pay, the real value at this very moment. EXACTLY 100th.

we also paid, via the community reserve, 1000 SOIL to bittrex, held in their buffer account. (0xc554dc7799c9080c22031ed509280f62a6f08fd15a0dfbc9b414b4a75d84a128)

i have no SOIL on the exchange. my balance, minus the 16.898 testnet bounty sent to "tamara163", left over from the launch, is 49,982 SOIL. a very little portion was used up sending TO the bittrex wallet, and back to the reserve wallet and back and forth again to test the wallet for bittrex at launch...

i wish all of you the best prices you feel SOIL is worth, and thank you all, whove mined SOIL the last week, and assisted with testing our platform before that.. im glad that our bounties were generous to those that provided the information for their contributions before, every dollar you make from SOIL, every further contribution you make, directly or indirectly, every contract that you build to place on your secure blockchain..... thru suggestions and voting, by word of mouth... thank you.

we have a long way to go. this is the first step in a long road towards where we want this project to go. thank you for being with us for the long haul, and i hope i still have you all along with me months and years down the road.

and we are only just starting out with this project. this is one small, infintesimal step towards where we are going to work this project towards.
589  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 24, 2015, 01:46:42 AM
 the first publicly traded share of SOILcoin, October 24, 2015 00:14:47 UTC. .00049478 BTC a share ($0.135USD). 2.0 SOIL sold. Cost: .00095974 BTC.... about 27 cents US.

this first sale produces a market capitalization, with all currently minted SOILcoins at somewhere in the neighbourhood of $175,000USD. this includes the community fund (from which the testnet bounties sprung forth) and developers reserves, as well as total mined coins more or less, in the total mintage

this produces, when you look at the charts on coinmarketcap.com, the 100th most valuable cryptocoin, in terms of market capitalization.. with a fairly low sale, but what the market wants to pay, the real value at this very moment. EXACTLY 100th.
590  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 23, 2015, 11:55:41 PM
we are live and listed at bittrex!
thank you all for your patience waiting for the exchange.

https://www.bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-SOIL

bittrex is a trusted exchange, which is what we're shooting for. ive been researching a lot of exchanges ofver the last few days and think a targeted request to those ones would be best. poloniex and bittrex were the most mentioned exchanges by you, the community, so im working hardest now on poloniex.

enjoy!

591  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 22, 2015, 01:52:50 PM
An exchange would be welcome Smiley

It's been creepy, what news may we meet next couple day, DevTeam please answer.

miners trust this coin and the developer still has not opened the exchange.

my apologies for silence over the last two days, life takes over sometimes. and sometimes, ones child comes home from school with whatever flu that is being passed around, and i thot he didnt know how to SHARE. (sighs, coughs) we're definitely working on getting listed on teh exchanges, and im trying to make sure, with due diligence, that the exchanges we get listed on arent going to, as theyve said about cryptsy in several articles on the bitcoin blogs the last few days, "going all mt.gox"

theres been an even dozen retweets towards bittrex thus far, and many exchanges gauge inclusion based on community demand. poloniex's last communication was that theyre reviewing our source and this forum. bleu has been ridiculously silent. c-cex is still working on implementing the ETH-based wallet on his exchange. cryptopia is just reviewing our github source, we should be on their voting page in a day or so. we are remaining very involved in getting this accomplished, before we begin setting up merchant acceptance, which is my next step.

i cant personally open up the exchange for trading, i have no power over that. simply, we continue to contact and communicate with exchanges. the very moment we ARE listed i will post on this forum and on all our social media presences so that you guys can get on there immediately.
592  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 20, 2015, 10:27:46 PM
Cant you pay 3 BTC to get listed on Bittrex? or is another, Poli etc. lol

Just a thought for the devs.....

Well, if someone wants to dump his coins he can do this himself.   Grin
Well figured the devs have plenty of soil coin to sell on exchange to earn back the investment of 3 BTC to get listed? I know many do pay that,,, win win for everyone  Grin

i dont think it would be appropriate to use the developers reserves for this purpose, theyre gong to remain static for a long while. i DID withdraw 16.8984375 SOIL from my developers wallet today, to pay off the LAST testnet bounty. all posted testnet bounties are now paid out. im so very happy that we were able to reward those who took the time to help us get the testnet ..well.. TESTED. we wanted to be very generous with those bounties, not only to ensure that SOIL got out to as many people as possible, but to show our appreciation.

the exchanges WILL come. ive resubmitted our application to cryptopia, bittrex has been very communicative... im glad that cryptsy hadnt added us yet after reading the article about them freezing accounts, not allowing withdrawls. certainly, theres two sides to every story, and theres just as many happy users at cryptsy as there are unhappy ones, but the fact that the unhappy ones are so vocal.. where theres smoke theres fire...

anyhow, the system is stable, block times are about where we wanted, and i hope that everyone is having luck with mining. everything so far is a success. now the REAL work begins. real market acceptance for purchases, DApps integration and education. its a long road ahead, it wont be done in a day, or a week, or a month... but stick with us and grow with us. we may not have fancy names for the evolution of our system (frontier into homestead into metropolis into serenity) but we have a distinct plan for the direction we want to go.

593  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: WTS/WTB soil on: October 20, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
Selling 100k soil, 0.00001/each

This is impossible except you are selling developer's funds!
Show us your wallet address!


the developers wallet adresses are:
mine (abvhiael crowley) : 0xe46731382fbc47621a6c480d4b6118026bbbcb3a
opening balance: 50,000 SOIL
current balance verified on explorer.soilcoin.xyz at block 19,700: 50,000 SOIL


soil (peter spiel-wechsler): 0xafc571db22ca80776def02150955026ff7329467
opening balance: 150,000 SOIL
current balance verified on explorer.soilcoin.xyz at block 19,712: 150,000 SOIL

for transparency sake, my mining address is: 0xa3c3911ef4bb282b11d866221c37c565c72a8e5c
i have been pool mining at suprnova, with an average rate of 0.8 MH/s
current balance verified on explorer.soilcoin.xyz at block 19,743: 2.714 SOIL

soil's mining address: 0x8ac4fa0735d4d4ca47dfcda434e0c6a0b8c6a66c
average hashrate of 26.5 MH/s
current balance verified on explorer.soilcoin.xyz at block 17, 752: 134.315 SOIL

hope that dispells your fear of ANY dumping, even on this forum, by the development team.


I have no doubts. I said there is no way someone to sell 100k except developer funds.
It was mistake anyway, the seller had 10k, not 1000k.

its all good. just wanted to make sure if you had any questions, you had the oppurtunity and ability to verify that we are not dumping our reserves by any means. it truly IS all about transparency. i believe that is the key to a successful cryptocurrency, over and beyond anything else. without transparency theres no trust. without trust, theres no coin. there'll be enough FUDsters out there, and i will never be one to offer ammunition. actually, im the one that writes them a PM afterwards to see what we can do to alleviate their fears or change their opinions. the grumpy ones are the most important community members to reach out to. its customer service. if theres enough caffeine in my system, its even customer service WITH A SMILE.
594  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: WTS/WTB soil on: October 20, 2015, 02:15:05 PM
Selling 100k soil, 0.00001/each

This is impossible except you are selling developer's funds!
Show us your wallet address!


the developers wallet adresses are:
mine (abvhiael crowley) : 0xe46731382fbc47621a6c480d4b6118026bbbcb3a
opening balance: 50,000 SOIL
current balance verified on explorer.soilcoin.xyz at block 19,700: 50,000 SOIL


soil (peter spiel-wechsler): 0xafc571db22ca80776def02150955026ff7329467
opening balance: 150,000 SOIL
current balance verified on explorer.soilcoin.xyz at block 19,712: 150,000 SOIL

for transparency sake, my mining address is: 0xa3c3911ef4bb282b11d866221c37c565c72a8e5c
i have been pool mining at suprnova, with an average rate of 0.8 MH/s
current balance verified on explorer.soilcoin.xyz at block 19,743: 2.714 SOIL

soil's mining address: 0x8ac4fa0735d4d4ca47dfcda434e0c6a0b8c6a66c
average hashrate of 26.5 MH/s
current balance verified on explorer.soilcoin.xyz at block 17, 752: 134.315 SOIL

hope that dispells your fear of ANY dumping, even on this forum, by the development team.
595  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 20, 2015, 01:56:52 PM
I think it`s to early for exchange Smiley

Yep. Exchange will come finally and I hope it will be good one, as Bittrex!

bittrex wanted to see what sort of community involvement we had and suggested a twitter campaign, which ive begun through our account. retweeting our post, essentially, to show how the community wants us listed at bittrex. https://twitter.com/SOILcoin/status/655961273763561472

they also suggested that i get involved with their IRC channel to promote the currency, which ive been unable to do yet, as ive had a lot of duties for nova scotia ground search and rescue taking my attention the last few days. hopefully no one gets lost in the next couple of days and i can get it done. i very much want to have us listed, and in the wake of the news coming out about cryptsy "pulling a mt. gox" and freezing withdrawls and peoples accounts, ive been making much deeper due diligence into the exchanges themselves, simply put, i want to make sure your money is as safe as possible where we are listed.

i am shooting for at least two of the larger volume exchanges and some of the smaller ones. a varied exchange presence will help, via arbitrage, to keep stability in SOILs valuation. a single exchange wont have as much an ability to affect the overall value with sudden sell blocks, nor can the pump-and-dump be accomplished as easily; both things i want to find ways to mitigate. i was in regular communication with bleu up until our launch, but have not heard back from them in a few days. i AM pestering them, as bleu is one of the exchanges i would really like to see us listed on as a smaller venue.. its the one i personally use the most often, so.. familiarity.

likewise, cryptopia is a location i would love to see SOIL listed on. now that we have launched, and have provided them with links to our github source, updated webite with explorer and faucet (we ARE working on that to fix the recaptcha javascript problem) they will have the chance to properly review us. a tweet or ten to cryptopia wouldnt be amiss, and as soon as we are included in their voting schemata, would love for the community to come out with their support to have our inclusion there.
596  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 19, 2015, 11:13:30 PM
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Researching seguire ok thanks but I want a Response dev ... porq has been due that problem and aver if I can pay the lost coins since UN has had to be alien to my fault I only did what I put in 1 post and I was just overwrote

im having a really hard time understanding your post. i do understand where your problem has come from, and ive been reading up on it, how to recover something thats likely been partially written over. its not an easy fix. when updating a wallet, for ANY cryptocurrency, you should always backup your wallet.dat or keystore. i generally back them up as soon as i make the wallet anyhow.. (something like keystore_"coinname") and store it on a memory stick in a safe place. one of the first things i read when i started reading up on bitcoin was that DONT FORGET YOUR PASSWORD and BACKUP EVERYTHING! have you tried importing the wallet (like the ethereum "olympic" & presale wallets into the "frontier" geth-architecture) into gsoil? i assume you have the wallet address, and know your password. what does a explorer query on that wallet address present? unfortunately thats the best i can offer tonite. its federal election night here in canada and its hard to concentrate on THIS while watching the worst prime minister in canada's history getting unseated.
597  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 19, 2015, 11:04:43 PM

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what features of a block explorer do you find necessary above everything else? if a bridge explorer will be built to include more details, what do you find absolutely necessary RIGHT NOW?
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Geez, don't have to get defensive about it. Can't anyone inquire without any bias. lol

On a serious note, only reason I ask about the block explorer is that certain exchanges and coinmarketcap require a real-time one with api calls.

oh i wasnt getting defensive, im genuinely curious what features yourself and other community members feel are necessary in a block explorer. there are so many out there, even for ETH, and each has its own "feel". SOILs explorer is pretty much bare bones. it does its job, but not much more... we want to have the transaction explorer implemented, that much is certain, and a priority in the block explorer...

ive seen so many explorers with SO DAMN MUCH information on them, it gets overwhelming and confusing. then theres the PRETTY ones with nice graphics but... (shrugs)... ive always been of the school that simpler is better, less moving parts, etc. but thats just me. coinmarketcap is probably the biggest reason id like to see a rolling minted coins count on the explorer. thats usually the first page i open in the morning. (gotta check on how my treasured dobbscoins are doing! ive been a SubGenius for 25 years, and i buy up BOB as often as can, or remember) so itd be nice to see and monitor how SOIL is doing with a format im utterly familiar with.

we are looking very seriously at a community members block explorer, it has a great deal of information and is still very lean. just waiting to hit the market and find our valuation in the first couplefew days, so that we can offer a fair bounty to him, commensurate to what block explorers usually receive for porting the software and hosting it.

anywho.. wasnt trying to be growly, just want to know what you folkses look for in a n explorer, what makes one better than another..
598  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 19, 2015, 04:51:11 PM
our SOILfaucet is active... http://faucet.soilcoin.xyz
In 3 browsers (Chrome, Opera, Firefox) the "submit" button does not do anything.
Just now, when reloading, I noticed a square being loaded below the submit button, for a few miliseconds, before it disappears again.
Is that a captcha mechanism? Perhaps someone for whom the thing works could post a screenshot how it is supposed to look?
Anyways, no success so far, trying it out.

Hah!

Ctrl-Shift-I --> JavaScript console -->

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Uncaught Error: Bootstrap's JavaScript requires jQuery

HTH

thanks. it WAS working when i tested it yesterday, there is a captcha on the page, that could be what youre seeing pop up and then disappear immediately. thanks for pointing that out.
599  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 19, 2015, 01:46:07 PM
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The OP doesn't have pool info on it.

our official mining pool is not ready for release, we must needs test it first, but we are close to a product we feel confident in releasing.
600  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SOIL - fair launch, environmentally conscious, community driven on: October 19, 2015, 01:44:18 PM
our SOILfaucet is active... http://faucet.soilcoin.xyz
disperses .05 SOIL once every 24 hours...

we will keep it up, topping funds from community reserve as neccesary. not a massive balance, to prevent those who abuse wallets with ip switching from attacking it as they do with many BTC faucets and costing community.

enjoy.

When will there be a new block explorer, ie. like etherchain.org .

The OP doesn't have pool info on it.

I messaged them twice already.. Don't seem to be very interested in listing it

we have the basic block explorer, which is suitable for the time being. a more advanced, inclusive explorer will come along, but to build a relevant one with all the features that might be expected, will take some time. we've had talks with block explorer developers, some of them find it hard to port what they have for regular altcoins towards ETH network based crypto. others, we are waiting until exchange inclusion, stable valuation so tht we can offer a compensurate bounty in SOIL to rates that most blockchain explorers would receive from other coins.

barring that, many block explorers for ETH are open source, but just porting one over to SOIL for convenience sake isnt prudent, nor fair play. we WILL have a better featured block explorer up, but considering we've only been active for less than 48 hours, at this very moment it is not our biggest priority. consider that SHF didnt really have a block explorer for two and a half weeks after launch. EXP had their explorer up within a week, but are still tweaking it. block explorers for ETH require a lot of rework for the overall coding, unlike sha256 and scrypt coins where such have been available for a long long time. the overall ETH network is onlya few months old, and even theyre behind their plans for the release of phase 2: homestead.

this is a brand new algo, and it WILL take time to produce something perfect, and its pointless to slap something together as a bridge explorer when the basic information you need is there.

what features of a block explorer do you find necessary above everything else? if a bridge explorer will be built to include more details, what do you find absolutely necessary RIGHT NOW?
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