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5821  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Schweizer Abgeordeter beantragt Bitcoinverbot on: October 02, 2013, 07:45:55 PM
Ich seh schon die schweizer Regulatorien vor mir,
wer selber miniert braucht dann erstmal eine Lizenz in 3 facher Ausführung von der Finma usw. dazu brauchts natürlich auch einen Buissnesplan für den Miner wegen Amortisation Steuern und so, dann noch ne kleine Extra Steuer darauf für unangemeldete Buchprüfungen, alles für die nötigen Kontrollen vom Bundesamt für Bitcoins.
Allerdings haben wir vielleicht auch Glück und 21 Mio sind bereits fertig gemint bis die Gesetze da sind.


Ich kanns dir nächstes Jahr sagen, nachdem wir unsere erste Steuererklärung zurück kriegen.  Wink
Haben jedenfalls schon mal ne Rechtsschutzversicherung für die Firma abgeschlossen.
Der Anwalt und der Buchhalter sind schon am Bitcoinliteratur büffeln. Grin
Wo wir uns noch unsicher sind ist, als was wir die Bitcoins deklarieren wollen.
Eine Idee war, als Handelsware, somit wären die Verkäufe auf einem ausländischen Handelsplatz Mwst frei, da die Coins ja ins Ausland exportiert wurden.
Haben aber noch Zeit uns festzulegen.

Desweitern brauchts auch nach den 21Mio noch miner.

Ich würde mich an deiner Stelle an den Verlautbarungen der Bafin in Deutschland und derjenigen des Bundesfinanzministeriums halten. Deren Einschätzung dürfte auch für die Schweiz ähnlich gelten bzw von den Behörden so interpretiert werden.
5822  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: October 02, 2013, 07:04:32 PM
@kleeck... how certain is it that these miners are in hands of the miners on start of december? And even though i think the calculator you used it the best available... this website only takes a certain percent of diff rise per month. Even though its 126% per month now this 30 day percent constantly is rising. So i think the div will be maybe at 137% then 158% and so on the next months. So i think the calculation probably is too good to be true. On top the uncertainty that comes with preorders.
5823  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Breaking: Silk Road geseizet, Betreiber verhaftet on: October 02, 2013, 06:31:03 PM
"Wir haben den Drogenkrieg des Staates dank Bitcoin gewonnen", sagte "Pirate Roberts" dem Magazin "Forbes".
Na mir fehlt das Mitleid mit jemandem der Bitcoins in die illegale Ecke gedrückt hat und damit Verbotsfanatikern Futter gegeben hat.
5824  Local / Biete / Re: [Gruppenkauf] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 bestellt (geschlossen) on: October 02, 2013, 06:19:43 PM
nur yifu und sein verein hat die probleme verursacht, der typ gehört enteignet. es basiert alles darauf.

Ja und daraus resultiert jetzt die Verzögerung, wobei keiner weis, ob der Assembler nicht auch vorher nur so eng verfügbar war. ;(

Soweit ich das von burnin gehört habe hatte er die Info dass das klappen würde. Offenbar hat der Chef aber eine andere Meinung gehabt. Ich bezweifle deswegen auch ob burnin da rechtlich was tun kann da er natürlich auch keinen Vertrag geschlossen hat dass es dann und dann passieren muss. Er wußte ja auch nicht wann die chips jetzt wirklich bei ihm sind. Sonst hätte er am Ende auch noch Vertragsstrafe zahlen müssen. Daraus jetzt natürlich wiederum folgend diese Situation. Ist schon wirklich nicht schön diese Folge von Widerständen zu sehen.
Ich weiß es nicht, ich glaube aber dass diese Wartungsarbeiten nicht zu lange dauern können.
5825  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9 TH/s] Bitparking Pool, DGM 0%,vardiff,stratum,Merge Mining on: October 02, 2013, 11:35:13 AM
I stopped mining at bitparking.com some days ago but i still get rewards even though i have 0 shares mined. I dont want that to stop but i dont understand it. Is it because of the diff i sat? It looks like i will get small rewards for a longe time since it only drops very slow each round.
5826  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: October 01, 2013, 09:18:42 PM
you probably never set your public address. set it.

I have, still not working.

Public address is not the same like your withdraw address. Click on the link hidden in the warning message.
5827  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 ordered (Closed) on: October 01, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
Yifu,

Please refund me the 15 bitcoins to 1CorsCrBEcbncfnR7BVKadUZbHP7xNZCjJ.

Thanks

done.

Also there will be some compensation for trade-in and chip order customers. ( you are entitled regardless, so don't think I am trying to sway your decision. )

Seems like those who received chips may get some compensation. That's what I was hoping for.

Hm... i wonder what this will be. If its a coupon code for gen2-chips or a miner then i wonder if the best way would be to auction it.
5828  Local / Biete / Re: [Gruppenkauf] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 bestellt (geschlossen) on: October 01, 2013, 04:44:11 PM
Burnin kann momentan nichts machen. Er hat die Chips beim Assembler abgegeben aber der Assembler hat wohl momentan selten Platz auf den Bestückungsautomaten. Er kann aber auch keinen anderen Assembler nehmen weil es allein schon 2 Wochen dauert bis er da einen Platz in der Schlange bekommen hat. Er kann also nur warten bis das wieder schneller geht. Leider.
5829  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Open Transactions (Windows Builds) - v0.89.q on: October 01, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
What happens when you do these commands:

run_opentxs.bat list

Code:
C:\T_I\Geld\Open-Transactions\scripts>run_opentxs.bat list


Welcome to Open Transactions -- version 0.89.q



OTCachedKey::GetMasterPassword: Please enter your password.

Passphrase request for: "Loading private key from credential."
(OT) passphrase:

UNKNOWN element type in OTContract::LoadContractXML: notaryProviderContract, value: notaryProviderContrac
UNKNOWN element type in OTContract::LoadContractXML: notaryServer, value: notaryServer
Unable to find a server contract to use. Please use the option: --server SERVER_ID
(Where SERVER_ID is the Server's ID. Partial matches ARE accepted.)
Unable to find My Nym. Please use the option:   --mynym USER_ID
(Where USER_ID is the Nym's ID. Partial matches and names are accepted.)

.
..
...
....
.....

opentxs>


run_opentxs.bat showaccounts

Code:
C:\T_I\Geld\Open-Transactions\scripts>run_opentxs.bat showaccounts


Welcome to Open Transactions -- version 0.89.q



OTCachedKey::GetMasterPassword: Please enter your password.

Passphrase request for: "Loading private key from credential."
(OT) passphrase:

UNKNOWN element type in OTContract::LoadContractXML: notaryProviderContract, value: notaryProviderContract
UNKNOWN element type in OTContract::LoadContractXML: notaryServer, value: notaryServer
Unable to find a server contract to use. Please use the option: --server SERVER_ID
(Where SERVER_ID is the Server's ID. Partial matches ARE accepted.)
Unable to find My Nym. Please use the option:   --mynym USER_ID
(Where USER_ID is the Nym's ID. Partial matches and names are accepted.)

.
..
...
....
.....

opentxs>


run_opentxs.bat balance

Code:
C:\T_I\Geld\Open-Transactions\scripts>run_opentxs.bat balance


Welcome to Open Transactions -- version 0.89.q



OTCachedKey::GetMasterPassword: Please enter your password.

Passphrase request for: "Loading private key from credential."
(OT) passphrase:

UNKNOWN element type in OTContract::LoadContractXML: notaryProviderContract, value: notaryProviderContract
UNKNOWN element type in OTContract::LoadContractXML: notaryServer, value: notaryServer
Unable to find a server contract to use. Please use the option: --server SERVER_ID
(Where SERVER_ID is the Server's ID. Partial matches ARE accepted.)
Unable to find My Nym. Please use the option:   --mynym USER_ID
(Where USER_ID is the Nym's ID. Partial matches and names are accepted.)

.
..
...
....
.....

opentxs>


etc.

I'm also assuming you are using the test data...

I couldnt make the test data run like i posted 2 post ago in this thread. So i made a personal account with Nym (since then i have to login always), the server contract for digitalis (the problem before were the linux linebreaks. I didnt think that the xml-format is not able to understand missing linebreaks.) and i inserted all coins that server can handle. So i think it should work fine. It works too, but not for commands that have options.
5830  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Open Transactions Server: Asset/Bond/Commodity/Cryptocoin/Deed/Share/Stock Exch. on: October 01, 2013, 04:22:29 PM
What happens when you do this:

run_opentxs.bat showmarkets --server wmY1B8o94PFENzqPVK6wLOLvkog9TvA3GDxZuAMGCpW

Then i get this result:

Code:
C:\T_I\Geld\Open-Transactions\scripts>run_opentxs.bat showmarkets --server wmY1B8o94PFENzqPVK6wLOLvkog9TvA3GDxZuAMGCpW


Welcome to Open Transactions -- version 0.89.q



OTCachedKey::GetMasterPassword: Please enter your password.

Passphrase request for: "Loading private key from credential."
(OT) passphrase:

UNKNOWN element type in OTContract::LoadContractXML: notaryProviderContract, value: notaryProviderContract
UNKNOWN element type in OTContract::LoadContractXML: notaryServer, value: notaryServer
Unable to find a server contract to use. Please use the option: --server SERVER_ID
(Where SERVER_ID is the Server's ID. Partial matches ARE accepted.)
Unable to find My Nym. Please use the option:   --mynym USER_ID
(Where USER_ID is the Nym's ID. Partial matches and names are accepted.)

.
..
...
....
.....

opentxs>

The password i entered was correct.
5831  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: October 01, 2013, 01:47:02 PM

September 30th 100TH dividend payments: 321.12791163BTC
Shares: 518271
Yesterday dividend per share: 0.00061961BTC
Daily dividend * 365 days in year: 0.22615907BTC
Annual ROI for 0.098BTC shareprice: 230.774562%

Compared to Asicminers 25% ROI per year the shareprice for 100TH should be at: 0.90463628BTC



wow, that calculation is so wrong, simply because it doesnt take in account growing difficulty.

Oh right... and thats why you deleted my last sentence to make your statement correct? It would be correct with reinvestment when one keeps a certain percentage of network share. But since you deleted my sentence you probably know that.

I didnt read that far.

that calculation is useless why posting here?

watch asicminer share go down to 0.01 btc.

Because this security could be worth much more when they would change their plans. Unfortunately it doesnt look like it.
I wonder where Asicminer is moving to. When i see the last div from asicminer and the shareprice of 1.1BTC then the annual ROI is actually 41.59896%, so AM is undervalued since it was valued most of the time at 25% annual return. But i can understand it since no investor does like divs going down. But its for a good reason. Friedcat is collecting bitcoins for reinvestment. I would be happy if the shareprice of 100TH is falling because collecting for reinvestment.
5832  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Asic USB Erupter verlieren an Geschwindigkeit mit Raspberry PI on: October 01, 2013, 01:42:02 PM
Das sicherste ist einfach 2 oder 3 pools hintereinander im cgminer aufruf reinzuschreiben. Falls ein pool ausfällt gibt es immer noch pools auf die gminer causweichen kann.

Eine Failoverstrategie? Nun, da im Hashverteilungstortendiagram nur zwei bis drei Pools den Löwenanteil verwalten, dürfte die Liste recht schnell durch sein. Die Netzstruktur der Bitcoins ist halt zu zentralistisch, ganz entgegen dem ursprünglichen Designpaper von Satoshi.

Immerhin können wir aber ausschliessen, das die Pools wegen der Haushaltsperre runtergefahren werden müssen  Grin

Also die kleinen Pools sind auch ok. Ich mine zB die ganze Zeit auf bitparking.com, weil die so viele merge mining coins haben. Bringt zwar nicht viel aber etwas.
Ansonsten hast du schon Recht... das mit der Dezentralisierung war mal ein schöner Gedanke. Irgendwann werden sich ein paar Firmen den Markt aufteilen die eigene Asic Designs haben. Alle anderen müssen von ihnen kaufen und würden das teuer bezahlen. Da diese Hersteller ja ansonsten mehr Geld mit selbst minen machen würden. Dezentralisierung ist nicht mehr so lange...
5833  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: October 01, 2013, 01:38:14 PM

September 30th 100TH dividend payments: 321.12791163BTC
Shares: 518271
Yesterday dividend per share: 0.00061961BTC
Daily dividend * 365 days in year: 0.22615907BTC
Annual ROI for 0.098BTC shareprice: 230.774562%

Compared to Asicminers 25% ROI per year the shareprice for 100TH should be at: 0.90463628BTC



wow, that calculation is so wrong, simply because it doesnt take in account growing difficulty.

Oh right... and thats why you deleted my last sentence to make your statement correct? It would be correct with reinvestment when one keeps a certain percentage of network share. But since you deleted my sentence you probably know that.
5834  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: October 01, 2013, 01:35:47 PM
23 pages every 24hours... i wish there would be a moderated thread like ActiveMining did. They previously had the same amount of posts each day. Now its down to 2 pages each day. I really would like that.

I have contacted his employer at Oppo so that they have been made aware of the situation.

Wow... i didnt realize how low some guys here are. So because you think that is a scam and you think this person is involved you try to destroy him? Even when there is a slight chance that the company is sold and he doesnt have anything to do with it anymore should have kept you from doing such things. If your sharp detective abilities werent so sharp you maybe destroy other persons life for nothing. I cant believe what results this circle of doom yield. I wonder what other things some guys here are capable of.
5835  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: October 01, 2013, 01:09:22 PM
Let's cut through this fog of war with mathematical precision and economic clarity, in the form of... a word problem!

IF 100TH was listed on BTCT, and assuming it held the same share price,

WHAT would BTCT's very convenient Annual Yield calculator say 100TH's dividends are now returning?


September 30th 100TH dividend payments: 321.12791163BTC
Shares: 518271
Yesterday dividend per share: 0.00061961BTC
Daily dividend * 365 days in year: 0.22615907BTC
Annual ROI for 0.098BTC shareprice: 230.774562%

Compared to Asicminers 25% ROI per year the shareprice for 100TH should be at: 0.90463628BTC

This is for the actual hashrate. I dont know how many TH we have actually.

The downside is... 100TH is not reinvesting. Which makes this calculation worthless.
5836  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Asic USB Erupter verlieren an Geschwindigkeit mit Raspberry PI on: October 01, 2013, 12:42:33 PM
Das sicherste ist einfach 2 oder 3 pools hintereinander im cgminer aufruf reinzuschreiben. Falls ein pool ausfällt gibt es immer noch pools auf die gminer causweichen kann.
5837  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: September 30, 2013, 11:40:47 PM
Didnt know that ActM invested in Klondikes. There are no working klondikes at the moment. The only working 16 chip design is the hex16 from marto74 that even runs at 500mhz.
But im not sure why the avalon chips werent refunded and kept instead now that the chance for refund was available and the chips never would ROI.
5838  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: September 30, 2013, 09:57:50 PM
Reinvesting is the only way since normal mining securities simply are dying slowly only. But i think the issuers dont have interest in this unfortunately. If they built the 200TH they can start building their 100% own mine. No hassle with shareholders and no revenue sharing. And they got the asic design paid already. So from a business view it would be the best outcome for the issuer.
This question came up so often and was never answered positiv. So i dont think it will come. Its a pity. I was stupid enough to buy in when it was at 0.35BTC and i hoped for a rise in shareprice once the mine is established since previous normal mining securities showed this behaviour. Then this panic came over all mining securities and everything crashed. Lesson learned. Though i dont like the lesson. Im angry about myself being too hasty even though i knew this is only a normal mining security. And normal mining securities tend to pay out divs and at the same time the shareprice drops slowly. At the end you gain nothing from it.
I wish they simply could state that they will move on reinvesting.
5839  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Schweizer Abgeordeter beantragt Bitcoinverbot on: September 30, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
Stichwort Volksbefragung... eben weil die meisten Menschen noch nie was von Bitcoins gehört haben ist es gefährlich wenn sich so ein Spinner hinstellt und darüber redet dass das eine Kriminellenwährung ist. Das bleibt nämlich erstmal hängen in den Köpfen der Leute die da das erste mal von Bitcoins hören. Die brauchen dann nur noch ein wenig draufrumtreten und dann seh ich da nicht mehr ein so klares Ergebnis bei einer Volksbefragung.
5840  Local / Presse / Re: Rennen um Profit mit der Cyber-WährungWie gefährlich sind Bitcoins? on: September 30, 2013, 01:33:24 PM
Was ist das mit der "Gefahr für die nationale Sicherheit"? Hab ich noch nicht gehört. Wer sagt das und wie ernst muss man das nehmen?
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