Sig campaign kept them in business as long as they were.
So a site acts super shady and employs a sig campaign to monitize people to attack those who are bringing the shady dealings to light. Gee, that sounds familiar... Speaking of that. Just exposed one of their shills with 3 hero counts (at least) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15064092#msg15064092You missed the most crucial thing about this. Betcoin.ag is not the same site as betcoin.tm, betcoin.tm has a very bad reputation around here and has been known to scam or atleast confisticated , denied to pay winning and decided solely on not to pay winnings from the bonus that they offered themselves No, I understand they are completely separate sites. It's just ironic they both have the same name (almost) and both use(d) signature campaigns to cover up all the scummy things they do. FortuneJack is actually worse than both Betcoins when it comes to signature campaign scumminess. If only they called themselves Betcoin.eu or something. This is how the rest of the world looks at paying users to post: (tokeweed had just changed his avatar to betcoin and posted something about them, I responded with link to him applying to campaign on this forum) http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/betcoin-poker-1458531/index26.html |
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Sig campaign kept them in business as long as they were.
So a site acts super shady and employs a sig campaign to monitize people to attack those who are bringing the shady dealings to light. Gee, that sounds familiar... Speaking of that. Just exposed one of their shills with 3 hero counts (at least) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15064092#msg15064092 |
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Wow, Lorylore sure can pump out those posts. Check out this post from 6:12:38 am... indeed, it is a very good business plan. however, it is also not easy as you need to have good security and good marketing skills. Otherwise, some casino that i have known end up closing cause too little people.
13 SECONDS TILL HE'S READY TO CLICK POST AGAIN! 13!!!end up a lot of time, they became addicted and it is no longer just want to recover their losses cause it is too much to recover. they will just throw in hundred of dollars to gamble each time.
Did a little digging, figured out some of Lorylores other accounts. 3 of them are Hero accounts. Lorylore = NamelessNames = hua_hui =n691309On the campaign spreadsheets Lorylore has betcoin username listed as "namelessname" and has had two different addresses listed. lorylore namelessname 14ohJQacYpBKxLfgrZHBST8u95ahx2ocV6 The 14ohJQ address is part of wallet [22a1a664fb] 16ijBeEWHty2MEwrdX8q9Zd7yg1SyEPWHVis also part of wallet [22a1a664fb] Tx 6b95f56347805de8583268e97e117b0b58a449bf0572b6ecc5d1d7b9716ee79d proves that these two addresses are from the same wallet.NamelessNames (Lorylores Betcoin username) is linked to the address here https://archive.is/qaqaT#selection-5799.0-5805.33 The same address is linked to another account here: I am interested to join this campaign.
Bitcoin Address: 16ijBeEWHty2MEwrdX8q9Zd7yg1SyEPWHV
Current Post Count: 1329
Current Rank: Hero Member
Wearing Rollin Avatar: Yes
Would like to clarify that recently i didnt manage to post because most of the time, i am trying to reach out to my previous campaign manager regarding the late payment for a month long. I did not post anything cause i dont want to make hard for him to count otherwise it will snowball for him.
Also, in this scam accusation lorylore is involved in: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1113913.msg11822218#msg11822218 he links himself with 1HujfN1jHD3r6J2ByhqvDEuSEzbP15NpWK. The very same address used by another account for another campaign: | 2nd round | 10/04 to 23/04 | | | Users excluded | Reason | | | tenaciouzd | Negative trust | | | ctlaltdefeat | Acc. problems | | | Users enrolled | Start postcount | Address | | target | 613 | 1C3THPy2m5cgoC7wa3PYB798TYrBsjoho5 | | BestWebCreator | 135 | 18E6Kq3bPLgLxcuzvB9NS6hYKbjGF4bNL8 | | Boosterious | 326 | 1K57NqyZo2Hqw6b868nLhhtnjueZsX2YGW | | DimensionZ | 631 | 35JcZTnCvkGPMJJN4ECNzJaRGdirAqmGgA | | ricardobs | 255 | 12sRkUGJtRfm67ns5SpWX5pgSkzp3AK3nq | | voztata | 218 | 1K9ux9KhF8LSysNTXt6HaZC9a2LR7Yjqz7 | | darewaller | 215 | 13e2M1mZSAdRUaUNMTPucqtQ3cxAMQHFHk | | jak1 NEW | 347 | Pending | | brituspol | 335 | 1vRtv4CpYU1tJnHiwCydi9trmL9k8H3xw | | cazkooo | 1367 | 1mh9LsmUJDGPJDRWWDNP7nfTEukdgWTac | | eyeknock | 293 | 1J1xzmLYuYFtuWDiTUVcZSBRcDBRx7V19i | | ColderThanIce | 300 | 1BTvaus9gBkknn4TNDBvbYwMhhiTfxpXJD | | jayce | 1245 | 1DzyGwaLoo8tKo5dShGo9FEjrWW1SxFfUy | | Jeremycoin | 2124 | 19jwJ8hLJVCSfXsnCXKTeWREi9yjGsqHU1 | | davinchi | 778 | 12ZHmYuekZ8wQ2df1JrkrjEyTA4dunvvHQ | | Gianluca95 | 2691 | 1NHepUNRpYy1GCMp6ws6y8zCuWYS14jmt7 | | mixan | 1045 | 1KbbxZ9kgzRohK47bv2vEBkoUrPi6ojpNc | | Wendigo | 3696 | 16pp5ZXeQbfjU76eZgh5bxS8YrJu7xw3A6 | | KenR | 751 | 1M28aVkPiCcu28Hb3rrZ3gk8N6YsgKW4Zi | | sukamasoto | 1039 | 1E1j2uMTLfXMDM6YZrWSnXPneRsVbht8k3 | | traderbit | 967 | 1HHu1gKwCcFAQeVNNvAdazz9L3D8bv2b9Y | | n691309 | 835 | 1HujfN1jHD3r6J2ByhqvDEuSEzbP15NpWK | | iram66680 | 751 | 35EEQWGYeXE7wvYS7FLMcaf96QmRpR6ruz | | crazyearner NEW | 3842 | 1BitsiGUGTTQK4ibEmFMUEQPKuSnw3z4cu |
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This site should be considered a scam.
When faced with serious accusation, they left the forum.
It's been a month since last log on.
Damn, that sucks. I wish someone had tried to warn people 6 months ago that this site was shady af. Oh wait... The bonus has a 888x rollover and if you complete the rollover (in 7 days) the max you can get is the amount of the bonus.
So it's basically play money.
and it doesn't hurt that the added value comes from the opportunity to win very, very big.
But that's worthless because if someone wins "very, very big" you just said that they won't be able to withdraw that money EVER. 301% return of your deposit on a no-risk deposit bonus is a pretty big jackpot.
If you hit a very big jackpot with bonus funds, you're not playing the game with your own money - the game you are playing is basically the bonus, and you're using the games on the site to unlock it. The bonus is sort of a game on its own that carries zero-to-no risk.
While I see and respect your viewpoint, I don't agree with it.
The "risk" is that you can't get the funds that you win. Are you saying I can do the following? 1) deposit 1 BTC 2) get 3.01 BTC added to my balance, for a total of 4.01 BTC 3) bet the 3.01 BTC bonus until I either lose it or clear the bonus 4) withdraw my initial 1 BTC, which I deliberately never risked. If so, then we're back to the bonus being slightly +EV, and risk free. Yay! Sorry it took me so long to understand. I either I'm really slow or the explanation on your site could use some serious improvement.  I've come to the conclusion that that is how they are implying that bonus could work. This is corroborated by this line on the site under first deposit bonus information: "If you do not meet the requirements you will not be able to withdraw your winnings, but you will always be able to withdraw your own deposit amount." However, this line in the T&C has me concerned: "Professional players or players considered, in our sole discretion, to be abusing the bonus system by any means may have bonuses revoked and be subject to further sanctions." Basically, I'm concerned that they imply that you can deposit 800 BTC and freeroll them but then if you try they will say "we never actually said you could do that, that's abuse we're taking your deposit". So I'd need them to confirm that this is actually allowed. Sig campaign kept them in business as long as they were. |
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This site should be considered a scam.
When faced with serious accusation, they left the forum.
It's been a month since last log on.
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Here in this incident hungerstyle did it on purpose. There is evidence in the payout address.
You may have noticed that for several days now we are asking hungerstyle to post the payout address used for this bet, and he avoided doing it before eventually disappearing.
There is a reason why he didn't want to post the payout address for this bet.
He knew that once he posts it, it will be clear to all that he is a criminal and that this was a fraud attempt.
If the address somehow proves he is guilty, why not just post the address? I don't think he's going to. I was thinking you thought there was a 3rd party pretending to be the original better, but not sure what's going on here. It's a standard universal rule for Bitcoin Sportbooks to confiscate coins when a fraudulent activity is involved. Here is a quote from the rules of your favorite book : If Nitrogen Sports believes that any customer has intentionally acted in bad faith or has engaged in fraudulent activity, Nitrogen Sports reserves the right to take any steps necessary.
Here is another example : If you are found to be cheating, colluding, or attempting to cheat at any game offered by BitcoinRush.io your account will be closed, and the funds tied to the account will be confiscated by the operators of BitcoinRush.io
As you can see, we all have the same rule, and rightfully so. These are not rules that are followed literally, they just give you right right to do whatever you want. It's lawyer stuff, since you all are unregulated, you already have that right, so really there's no need for them. I can tell you that if you were regulated in New Jersey, for example, you would either pay the player or pay the state. The house is responsible for protecting themselves against the possibility of fraud. If they were to potentially profit off these situations, it would create an environment prone to corruption. Casinos would have motivation to encourage cheating. Question for DirectBet: What would you have done if HungryStyle lost his bet?
Would you have been proactive in telling him he was guilty of fraud? That the bet was void and he would not have been paid if he won? Or would you say nothing and hope for another deposit from him.
Members here should be aware that only reason why Peeps Place singles us out is because we refused to pay him for advertisement, while books that pay him are "protected" from negative feedback and downgrades.
Peeps Place, for transparency, can you please disclose the list of Sportbooks that pay you to advertise and promote them ? This is a problem if you have been activly requesting payment from books, Peeps. It would explain the funny way you've handled Betcoin issues (Example)I hope it's not true, but if it is, full disclosure of any money or favors accepted by peeps belongs in OP so each player can take it into consideration when making their own opinion. Edit: I didn't realize peeps has his own site, thought this was referring just to the thread.
THe site has obvious banners, enough for players to assume peeps is profiting off this, so most of my assumptions were wrong. |
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I give A+ to Directbet! They are #1!
they are A+ for most of bitcointalk community members i know it, but we can't ignore current directbet case about a double spending attempt and confiscated funds worth thousands dollar. complicated case and still no solution to solve the problem. Sometimes attempted double spend show without a person trying to double spend. If DirectBet confiscates the $16,500, it sets a precedent that DirectBet can confiscate money any time attempted double spend shows. peeps the player clearly tried to double-spend, however even if he wouldn't I don't understand why he keeps refusing to comply with the requisites to receive the payout.. DirectBet have on their rules: "We reserve the right to confiscate wagers when we believe that fraudulent activity is involved, including but not limited to, hacking attempts, double spends and odds manipulation. By placing a bet at DirectBet you agree that in case of any dispute DirectBet decision is final." In this case they are not just confiscating the funds, they are offering to refund the funds if user perform 2 simple actions. I may be missing something here but I as others have previously said we need to check also from the bookmaker perspective, if not all bookmakers would go bankrupt in 2 weeks. I don't think any site should get a pass for seizing funds because they reserved the right to do so in their fine print. In fact, I consider the fine print pretty useless in an unregulated environment, once they have your money, they can do whatever they want with it no matter what anyone says or does, what are you gonna do, call someone? The only thing they can't completely control is their reputation. (signature campaigns are often a desperate attempt to) It's up to the players to asses what kind of behavior should be acceptable or not. Is it ok for a site to advertise this on their front page:    And then hold a players money hostage in exchange for personal details? |
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As for Provably Fair, so here right, FUN-CASINO provides SoftSwiss Provably Fair games, now this info is mentioned everywhere in terms of SoftSwiss games only.
We're talking about your post in this thread, remember? Here's what you said: All Fun-casino games are based on "Provably Fair" technology, which guarantees fairness of winning/loss.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This is false. Do you understand? |
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Welcome to Fun-casino, first decentralized Bitcoin casino. What does it mean – decentralized?  Decentralized casinos are totally independent and anonymous without any administrators who can interfere either in gaming process or financial relations between casino players.
The purpose of such decisions, which no one controls, is to facilitate the exchange of goods and services between unknown people on the principle of "smart contract" ensuring justice and fairness once the transaction is finished (transaction between player and fun-casino). Casino software works on Blockchain technology, which guarantees its players placing bets, winning, and withdrawing their winnings instantly, staying anonymous within the system. All Fun-casino games are based on "Provably Fair" technology, which guarantees fairness of winning/loss.
Casino offers high-quality games from world-famous game providers: Betsoft gaming, Endorphina, Ezugi, Pocket Dice, SoftSwiss. The quality and fairness of games are proven by iTech Labs certificate.Once all Fair games rules observed, Fun-casino guarantees instant withdrawal to its players. If not, player always has a chance to play again following the rules to get their money back. Most of your OP is not true. Are you standing behind it still or have you realized how far off you were over the past 10 pages? Please, provide facts what of our OP is not true. Well, you should really be the one providing the facts since you are the one making the claim...but here you go Casino software works on Blockchain technology ( https://blockchain.info/), which guarantees its players placing bets, winning, and withdrawing their winnings instantly, staying anonymous within the system. Well, if it were decentralized, what are all these rules doing on the site? Who enforces them? Who made them up? Why? Also, how do i get into the back end, I want to look around. Examples: FUN-CASINO reserves the right to change this agreement according to its needs. FUN-CASINO will use reasonable efforts to notify players of when changes are made. However, the player is obliged to review the FUN-CASINO terms regularly.
Using FUN-CASINO allowed only players 18+ years of age or the age of maturity in his / her jurisdiction, depending on higher the age limit.
Before betting, the player is required to verify the laws on gambling that its jurisdiction shall determine the place where FUNCASINO is used. It is the sole responsibility of the player to know and understand the laws in force in his / her jurisdiction. Player is solely responsible for any consequences resulting from his / her determination of the legality of Internet gaming in his / her jurisdiction. You even have the predatory "if you bet over $5 at a time you void all bonus winnings rule" Play through (wagering) requirements should first be met before the player can bet an amount higher than $/€/£5 or with the equivalent of 0.025 BTC. Included in this are double up wagers after a game round has been completed.
Aside from softwiss games, I don't think any of your games are provably fair. Betsoft and Endorphina are definitely not. If I'm wrong, please explain how the game "Wild Fruits" is provably fair. Also, blockchain doesn't guarantee anonymous players. If it did, why would you have a rule "no duplicate accounts" anyway? That itech labs thing doesn't prove anything since you haven't proven itech is fair. And even if it did, it's only referring to about 20% of the games you offer. (Softswiss) |
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I decided to give your casino a try. Everything seems ok, I have a pending withdrawal though. Could you be kind to process it? Thanks
Your withdrawal has been made successfully  Thanks, received! I will surely play here again... guess ill add this also Casino software works on Blockchain technology, which guarantees its players placing bets, winning, and withdrawing their winnings instantly, |
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Welcome to Fun-casino, first decentralized Bitcoin casino. What does it mean – decentralized? Decentralized casinos are totally independent and anonymous without any administrators who can interfere either in gaming process or financial relations between casino players.
The purpose of such decisions, which no one controls, is to facilitate the exchange of goods and services between unknown people on the principle of "smart contract" ensuring justice and fairness once the transaction is finished (transaction between player and fun-casino). Casino software works on Blockchain technology, which guarantees its players placing bets, winning, and withdrawing their winnings instantly, staying anonymous within the system. All Fun-casino games are based on "Provably Fair" technology, which guarantees fairness of winning/loss.
Casino offers high-quality games from world-famous game providers: Betsoft gaming, Endorphina, Ezugi, Pocket Dice, SoftSwiss. The quality and fairness of games are proven by iTech Labs certificate.Once all Fair games rules observed, Fun-casino guarantees instant withdrawal to its players. If not, player always has a chance to play again following the rules to get their money back. Most of your OP is not true. Are you standing behind it still or have you realized how far off you were over the past 10 pages? |
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Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security. He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here : https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended ! Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ? There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses. No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent. When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions. In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret. The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business. If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time. DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts. A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit. this double spend case really confusing , but for simply example can you imagine if the bet were lost and (he) hungerstyle voided the bets by double spending the transaction? you must look at 2 sides , player and bookmaker. if everytime double spender provided a payout like what you suggest all bitcoin bookmakers will declared bankrupt! Not all double spend attempts are intentional. It could happen to anyone. Many sites require at least one confirmation (or more) to prevent being exploited by double spend attempts. I assume DirectBet knows this and chooses not to require 1 confirm in hopes it will attract more players. If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this. They should also expect innocent double spends to happen. There are two ways of handling these situations. A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts. Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house. Result: They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example) . If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on. |
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Directbet, simply create a similar situation and show that the double spend you claim is possible (which I think is). If so, at least in my opinion, you have the right to do whatever you want (well, you should return the original amount to the bettor, maybe taking a fee for the scam attempt, to teach him a lesson).
I would not fear the guy bitching around with fake claims, nor TwitchySeal, he bitches against every gambling site even for the dumbest reason he finds (He has been spamming our sig. campaign thread, for example).
This situation is clearly stated in your rules (which as you say, when we bet on your site we accept), and it is understandable that you freeze payouts/bets only/mainly when bigger sums are involved (to the one who was asking it). If this was a double spend attempt by a random online wallet, then I do not see why the OP cannot ask them for a proof (or why he does not want to).
As far as I know you have already had to deal with scammers in the past (I remember a thread here in BCT), and you and your reputation have stood still.
Technically it's not a "double spend" in question. It's an "attempted double spend", and the debate isn't about whether or not it's possible. It is. It can happen for many non-malicious reasons. It's happened to me several times, twice at Betcoin actually. My wallet broadcasted a transaction with spent coins, so it never confirmed.  Still 0 confirms after 7 months. https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/b42fd77a363f9d2f4ceb7bf0d55305b3ab9cdfac189a77ff21b5b06431675174It was happening because of some issue with my electrum being out of date. Betcoin requires 1 confirmation , so there was no issue. |
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Are you kidding me?!?! The case was already discussed on a seperate forum so players should just know!Q?!?!?
It was discussed on this forum, in this thread.
He's mocking you. Obviously it's unreasonable to enforce something you haven't put in the terms just because it's been discussed on another site...I never even read this site till i couldnt talk to support. Just before the poker launches, you are getting a clear message that making a bet on poker will result deposit bonus to be void.
The loading screen to the poker client is not an appropriate place to put terms and conditions. If a player isn't looking for the few seconds it's loading, they will never know they missed it.
All the terms and conditions should go together and be easy to find. They should also cover all the rules.
It's unreasonable for you to enforce any terms if they aren't on the list. It's mind blowing you seem to think otherwise.
WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE THAT LITTLE BIT OF INFO OUT OF THE RULES!?!?
Actually it is written in the rules. We are deleting your post as it is written in totally inappropriate format, called spam.
It's not spam, you're the one being totally inappropriate. Remember this?:We never deleted posts written on our thread, unless it was a scum or false accusation written in Bold and Red format.
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Seems like they chose to say they would pay all contenstants and then just pay those who they think would know and/or complain. MAY 19th they claim everyone has been paidWe payed out all of the contestants the split prize of 3 BTC as it was noted in T&C, therefore, the accusation must be closed.
player claims they were not paidAnd I'm still not received anything from the contest !
You're publishing my video it means that you're accept my video and will pay afterward but ...
MAY 20th I request list of paid winners (never receive reply)MAY 23rd Player who spoke up about not being paid received paymentThis may seem petty, but It's one of many pieces of evidence that suggests FortuneJack has ultimately not decided to change their ways. If they think they will get away with it, and it's easier than telling the truth, they will lie. Each video contestant was payed, we cannot distribute transactions due to our privacy policy. The player you are referring to, S1ng, confirmed receive of the funds. Last time you said you paid everyone (on May 19th) you were lying. I think you still have only paid the players who know about this thread. You said you would announce the winners, and I don't see any good reason not to - unless you only paid some of them... I should also point out to everyone that FortuneJack does not seem to regret the way they have handled this situation in general. It was all denies and lies, then one day "WE PAYED EVERYONE SO TAKE OFF OUR RED TRUST!" (which was also a lie) Not even an attempt at convincing players that they plan on behaving any differently in the future. |
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I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
i guess it's because of 36btc confiscated from hungerstyle case , and peepsplace "one sided" rated it as D . if you take a look to the accusation thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1481406.0 looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better. looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.
DirectBet has not paid off the winning bet or provided enough evidence to justify their decision to not pay a winning bet of 47 BTCIf he were to prove there was a 99% chance that the guy was a scammer, it would still be wrong to to not pay out the bet. |
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Seems like they chose to say they would pay all contenstants and then just pay those who they think would know and/or complain. MAY 19th they claim everyone has been paidWe payed out all of the contestants the split prize of 3 BTC as it was noted in T&C, therefore, the accusation must be closed.
player claims they were not paidAnd I'm still not received anything from the contest !
You're publishing my video it means that you're accept my video and will pay afterward but ...
MAY 20th I request list of paid winners (never receive reply)MAY 23rd Player who spoke up about not being paid received paymentThis may seem petty, but It's one of many pieces of evidence that suggests FortuneJack has ultimately not decided to change their ways. If they think they will get away with it, and it's easier than telling the truth, they will lie. |
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Blockcypher does not show the exact time that the double spend transaction was received by their node. Do you happen to know when the double spend attempt transaction was first received? Was it first received at a time that would have made the bet for the other side of the match valid if it had confirmed? I might speculate that the OP had broadcast both bets and then had some way to influence which bet/transaction ultimately got confirmed It's not displayed on the site, but I found this in the api for 34a243727b11220c6ae3b03d189d8ba21561e4af5bc4fc99f7e704b91943a240/: "received": "2016-05-11T01:30:10.667Z" https://api.blockcypher.com/v1/btc/main/txs/34a243727b11220c6ae3b03d189d8ba21561e4af5bc4fc99f7e704b91943a240?limit=50&includeHex=trueWhen you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.
In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.
The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.
I looked through your site a couple of days ago for a clause that is similar to what you describe, but was unable to find it after briefly looking through your site. Can you point out exactly where this clause is located. We reserve the right to confiscate wagers when we believe that fraudulent activity is involved, including but not limited to, hacking attempts, double spends and odds manipulation. By placing a bet at DirectBet you agree that in case of any dispute DirectBet decision is final.
Oh my bad, I didn't realize that you reserved the right to confiscate funds and your decision is final. Carry on then and don't mind us while we discuss your behavior. |
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I dont ask you to put on nice things here but rather to leave it as it is. There is no point to keep on putting all those negativity here in this thread imho Yes, there is a point. I just explained it. Here: When a site like Fortunejack or Betcoin is able to behave unethically without consequence it does damage to the future of unregulated/bitcoin online gaming. It's the reason the "Bitcoin" is still a mystery to a majority of serious online poker players.
I'm trying to hold sites accountable for their actions so they behave more ethically in the future.
For example: everyone would of forgotten how FortuneJack promised huge prizes and paid almost nothing for their video contest. But I wouldn't let it go and made a big deal of it when they ignored the issue. Next time I think they will be more careful with how they run their next big promotion and not promise "the most generous promotion in the history of Betcoin" if they don't want to pay for it. Don't you?
But if they were able to get away with it, why wouldn't they do the same thing again in the future?
Anyway, that's my motivation.
Your motivation is making FortuneJack look good so they give you more money. So you can EAD. One thing at a time, you were putting nonsense on the too good to be true bonuses. For the record, I dont defend anything about the above post of his deposit bonus went missing. Here is the quoted post of yours saying it is too good to be true So if they give us 1 btc bonus, and clearing the requirements cost us only .35 bitcoin in losses, we can expect to profit an average of .65 btc. If you don't make any big bets and stick with a minimal variance game like Baccarat, you will end up with .55-.75 profit every time. Basic math is not nonsense. A 12 year old could understand this. |
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