You got what you wish for so far and there is no need for you to put on all those negativity. Im not making they looks good , I never defend them on the video competition, however I do defend them on the nonsense you put on the new deposit bonus. So far there is nothing wrong with it
I'm being honest. There's no reason for me to say nice things about a site that is consistantly dishonest to players. I do defend them on the nonsense you put on the new deposit bonus. So far there is nothing wrong with it
Really? Are they actually voiding bonuses for anyone who plays poker even though there is absolutely 0 mention in the terms? I am new to bitcoin and sign up for Fortune Jack 2 days ago and made deposit of 60 millibits ( 0.06 of 1 bitcoin )
before i send the bitcoin i read about the sign up bonus very carefully, every word.
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They show me example is the for the 2 seconds it takes for poker to load it says it will void bonus.
I didn't even play but even then Why would they have this important term on a momentary loading screen instead of with the rest of the rules!? It makes no sense!
I'm still waiting on response now but overall my experience at your site has been very disappointing.
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@Beefheart
If you are depositing a large amount,not sure where the thresh hold is for large you can face delayed times in getting it out.
Fortunejack has a limited hot wallet and they have over 200 players playing at the same time so their hot wallet cpuld be depleted sometimes. Waiting for some times wont hurt anyway and once they refill the hot wallet, your withdrawal will be sent immediately or you can always ask support's help if it is urgent It's funny how your shill instincts took over and responded as if beefheart was complaining about a slow deposit. Less shilling, more honesty please. Its funny how you come and reply to this thread every single time there is something negative about the site. I know you dont like the site so you can just leave it as it is and not to boast on your case every single time. Oh yeah fortunejack is generous enough to give 0.5 btc for 15x wagering requirement ( check above ) perhaps you can work out such similar deals with them for their offenses to you in the past and you can just leave this thread with some positive note instead of all negativity When a site like Fortunejack or Betcoin is able to behave unethically without consequence it does damage to the future of unregulated/bitcoin online gaming. It's the reason the "Bitcoin" is still a mystery to a majority of serious online poker players. I'm trying to hold sites accountable for their actions so they behave more ethically in the future. For example: everyone would of forgotten how FortuneJack promised huge prizes and paid almost nothing for their video contest. But I wouldn't let it go and made a big deal of it when they ignored the issue. Next time I think they will be more careful with how they run their next big promotion and not promise "the most generous promotion in the history of Betcoin" if they don't want to pay for it. Don't you? But if they were able to get away with it, why wouldn't they do the same thing again in the future? Anyway, that's my motivation. Your motivation is making FortuneJack look good so they give you more money. So you can EAD. |
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gonna pay me for my missing affiliate payments? or you gonna keep telling me thats not my players name but not tell me the name u think it is?
You and all of our great affiliates are paid promptly for their referrals to Betcoin through the system based on their play at Betcoin. Betcoin does not pay you for a player's play on another website in the network as this is not in our data. Thank you. lol same stupid response. still not telling me what his player name is if its not the one on my affiliate page. how can it be different? Hi, Saw your issue with missing affiliate payments. They underpay both players and affiliates for tournaments played on WPN. They only pay as advertised for Betcoin only cash games and tournaments and simply refuse to admit it or make their terms accurate. I know this because last summer I played around 35k worth of tourneys and was underpaid by around 50% in rakeback and status points. They tried to ignore me after lying to me, then they just banned me when I wouldn't let the issue go. They were extremely disrespectful to me from Nov-March. Then they surprisingly un-banned me and paid me 3 BTC after claiming they extensively researched my play. No apology or explanation though. more info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.msg14201079#msg14201079Also, your sharkscope stats are likely very short of the actual number as they don't include re-entries, re-buys add-ons or any satellite played. I have a gold membership so i exported your players entire history, not sure if it will help at all but here: http://pastebin.com/GeGVC4HY |
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Well they decided to delete my posts in response to that article, so I'll just post them here.  |
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also, what do you mean the bet was placed during the match? was it live betting?
Yes. The transaction was sent on May 12th during the game and was confirmed a day later on May 13th (UTC times). Yeah I was wrong about the date, I admit I am no expert at block chain analysis. It doesn't seem like you are either though, or if you aren't explaining the situation very well. I do understand ethics in gambling though. To ethically declare a bet void after the outcome has been decided, you need to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the player: a) Attempted to defraud you b) Is capable of defrauding you. Even if you are sure this guy tried to scam you, if you can't prove it, you gotta pay him anyway. Anything without a fact to back it up is opinion. Your opinion in this matter is biased due your ~50 BTC being on the line. I think the way you tried to twist his words into an admission of guilt is a red flag. Another red flag, imo, was how you offered to keep only the winnings and return the deposit out of "good will"  Then after he wrote back and agreed you changed the agreement to include not making the issue public (discrediting you) along with demanding his passport (!?):  By sending with very low fee there is an intention of double spend.
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also, what do you mean the bet was placed during the match? was it live betting?
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I could be missing something, but this is how things seem to have happened to me:
Player deposits 36 btc and wagers them all on the favorite in a tennis match.
The transaction is confirmed before the match begins.
I'm afraid you got it wrong. The bet was placed during the match and the transaction confirmed more than 12 hours later. The bet transfer included Bitcoins that were already spent in another transaction as you can see here : https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended ! Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ? There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses. No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.
Even if it could be proven (it hasn't been) I don't think it even matters if the player was acting malicious or not. Directbet accepted the bet, they should honor it.
When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions. In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret. The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business. the transaction was confirmed on 5/11 before the match and it was not double spent. Edit, That was the TX that was never confirmed on 5/11. I was wrong. |
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I could be missing something, but this is how things seem to have happened to me:
Player deposits 36 btc and wagers them all on the favorite in a tennis match.
The transaction is confirmed before the match begins.
After the first set, there is an attempted double spend of the same output from already confirmed transaction. It never confirms (obviously)
Directbet considers the proof of the double spend to also be proof that the player is a hacker who acted maliciously and decides to freeroll the player (if the bet loses, he keeps it. If it wins, he doesn't pay)
When the player starts making the issue public, Directbet offers to return the only the initial wager as long as he kept quit ( "out of good will" in his words) Then he adds the stipulation that the player must provide scan of passport if he wants the 32 btc returned.
Even if it could be proven (it hasn't been) I don't think it even matters if the player was acting malicious or not. Directbet accepted the bet, they should honor it. Instead, they made a decision which resulted in them walking away with 50+ bitcoin they are not entitled to.
It's also worth noting that there are claims that this isn't the first time DirectBet has been involved in a situation like this.
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@Beefheart
If you are depositing a large amount,not sure where the thresh hold is for large you can face delayed times in getting it out.
Fortunejack has a limited hot wallet and they have over 200 players playing at the same time so their hot wallet cpuld be depleted sometimes. Waiting for some times wont hurt anyway and once they refill the hot wallet, your withdrawal will be sent immediately or you can always ask support's help if it is urgent It's funny how your shill instincts took over and responded as if beefheart was complaining about a slow deposit. Less shilling, more honesty please. |
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We get a message threatening a DDoS attack weekly and sometimes they are able to penetrate the protections. This is what we are currently dealing with and will get Betcoin back up and running shortly. We will keep you posted:
Hello Support,
We are a team of highly skilled independent security consultants. One of your competitors hired us to take your site offline for an entire month (which we have the resources to do but don't like the contact and might be able to work together instead).
We are taking your site offline until we here from you. Our initial consultation will cost 1 BTC. That price will go up half a btc for every 12 hours we have to keep your site offline. I want to personally assure you that we have the power to keep your site down for an indefinite amount of time. We are the ones who took down xbox live all week (testing ONE of our new servers). In addition to lletting your site up and giving you a report of what we found and how to fix it we will also let you know the ONLY way to stop a DDos attack the size we are capable of launching. We will also add you to a blacklist so no one else fucks with you.
The BTC can be sent to the following address :
1KRQ6LVBFDGn26cdn6FF5hBckNPsPPJLax
I know that you are going to try to mitigate but in the end that is only going to cost you a lot more money. You make enough from betting and advertising alone that just an hour of downtime wont justify the cost. Our team also understands that you will try to mitigate but nothing will stop the attack except my command. Your hosting provider will not be able to help, the authorities wont be able to help you, your firewall is easily bypassed and any ddos service you try to bring in we can bring down (we have done this for a long time). believe it or not we are not the masked assholes stealing credit card numbers. Most of us have families and can't find legitimate jobs in our fields right now and have families to feed.
Regards,
GETDD0sed
This guy is taking out your site?  |
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I'll take 3 please: d3b0df0dbfea49ea8d7e1e50871d6f9cc34936f5062ea496a7174e16f7d98446
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The Bet was made legitimately, with a transaction that ultimately confirmed. You believe that this guy made a failed attempt at freerolling the house, and that this gives the house the right to freeroll the player and hold his wager hostage with unreasonable demands....No. That's not proof.
I'm not understanding how the only possible conclusion is "hungerstyle is an hacker who attempted to defraud us." How do you know he isn't telling the truth about using a third party that actually sends the bitcoin? He also admitted this to us via e-mail and promised not to do it again. If you had a written confession, it would help your case a hell of a lot more than the "proof" you have now.
Putting the email pieces together I think it went more like this -
First you told him:
"you tried to double spend the bitcoin after Nadal lost first set. You can have your bitcoin back if you agree not to do it again"
He responded:
"I wont do it again"
You thought: "AHA! I got him! He just admitted it! "
As a goodwill gesture we agreed to return his original wager provided that he sign an agreement, but he refused. When someone tries to steal from you, it's not normal to immediately give them money they aren't entitled to simply as a gesture of "good will"
I think you offered him some of his money back for two reasons:
A) You just freerolled him, and you know that freerolling your players is wrong, even if you think they may have just attempted to freeroll you.
B) You thought you could convince him to keep quiet, because you knew you wouldn't look good if this got too public. Obviously you realize it's bad for business to freeroll your players...If you were not guilty, I think you would be sure to explain why to anyone who would listen. Instead, you close your post with this.We will not be discussing this matter publicly any further. If you have any more questions please direct them to support@directbet.eu
Asking an anonymous person to send a scanned image of a passport is kind of pointless. For the record, if we had a way to know the truth, I still think "Player is Guilty" would be pretty big favorite.
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Have you tried to double-spend?
If yes and there are proves, everything seems legit (except you)
Does your comment reflect how BetBTC would handle a similar situation? Definitely it wouldn't be a good idea to try double-spend on us. Do you agree with DirectBet in that they should confiscate 36 BTC? This is the second time that DirectBet has confiscated player's funds. It's one thing to void winnings, it's outright theft to take deposits. Since our beginning, in 2014, we never confiscated any winner's profits / balances, and we usually process some big withdrawals (last weekend we had a 18, a 13 and a 11BTC, none took more than 47mins. What I am telling is that if any of these users have tried to double spend on us, we would surely take the appropriate measures to avoid situations like that happen in future. From what I understood directbet is ready to process your withdrawal after you send the passport and sign a term. In case of double spend attempt confirmed, and I repeat in case of double spend attempt proved, that measure is clearly "user-friendly" in our opinion. I can understand the anger if someone were to try and double spend. The problem here is that DirectBet has the 36 BTC. They accepted the wager. They free rolled the player. If the player lost, DirectBet keeps the money. If the player wins, DirectBet steals the money. Sure, I agree there could be better ways to handle the situation, however they are able to process the withdrawal so let's see how this ends. I think "double spend attempt confirmed" is vague and could be interpreted many different ways. (not good) If you want to seize a players funds ethically, you need proof that the double spend was done maliciously and with the intent to cheat the sports book. Proving the intent of an anonymous person is extremely difficult or impossible. Even if you really believe a player is guilty, you can not ethically take their money without proof since ultimately, you chose to accept the the risk that comes with crediting players before their transactions are confirmed by the network. Many other sites choose not to. |
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What is "double spend"? How does this work?
It's possible to broadcast two transactions for the same amount when you only have enough bitcoin for one. They will both appear on the network as unconfirmed transactions. One will get confirmed, the other will eventually be pruned from the block chain as if it never existed. That's why the standard is to wait for one or more confirmations before crediting a user. I know Bitcasino.io had issues recently with someone free rolling them. |
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Not sure if Hungerstyle is innocent, but I am sure that Directbet is guilty of handling this situation very poorly. Feel free to repost this wherever if anyone likes.
Last fall for about a month maybe 1 out of every 20 transactions from my electrum wallet were showing up as double spends and it was completely unintentional (eventually realized i needed to update software) There were no big problems because they were all involving individuals or sites that require 1 confirmation. In the end, one would confirm and the other was eventually deleted from the block chain. If I had deposited on DirectBet, could I have ended up getting freerolled like Hungerstyle? There are two still in my Betcoin transaction history with invalid transaction ids:  This transaction is unknown.
You might have used wrong transaction hash, or the transaction you're looking for hasn't yet propagated through the network. It can take a while for transactions to get to blockchain nodes. My point is, obviously I don't think any site can justify not paying out a winning bet after the fact because of a double unconfirmed transaction and a suspicion. If they have enough evidence to justify seizing 36 bitcoin from a player, they should be prepared to defend their decision to the player and the public (if player chooses to make it public) Can't just say "fuck this guy, I think he's trying to scam us" and expect to maintain a reputation.
Have you tried to double-spend?
If yes and there are proves, everything seems legit (except you)
Does your comment reflect how BetBTC would handle a similar situation? |
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Wagered in dice game won't included? If I 35x wagered in dice game, bonus money won't be withdraw?
It is crystal clear already , wagering in dice wont be included therefore you are not getting any wagered amount no matter if you wagered 1000 times of the value. The reason would probably be because you can use auto in dice therefore there isnt any point of giving bonus for that since you wont be really "enjoying" any of the game when you are botting @erwin45hacked ,Jesus christ quit being such a shill! The word "dice" is not even mentioned in the terms, there's nothing clear about it. The only reason we know it's not included is because someone posted it in this thread. (and sometimes they claim that mistakes posted by them are not their fault ! ) The reason it's not included it because it's a 1% house edge game you could play with almost zero variance. (You would lose very close to only 30% of your bonus when the 30x playthrough is reached, allowing you to cash out the rest ) [Tip: Just go bet banker at baccarat live, will take a while but almost same result] Slots have auto bet also, but even with the bonus you'll have a negative expectation because of the house edge. No one is being a shill here Mr. fortunejack hater and if you would be so kind to check the site. They actually allow 50 % wager contributions for the provably fair casino games ( Blackjack ). It seems legit that they dont allow 1 % house edge while allow blackjack with 0.5 % house edge ( claimed by their support in live chat max ) . Your logic has a flaw there If they end up actually following their own terms and conditions, they will be losing a lot of money on any game with < 3% house edge. I explained to you the reason any qualified and intelligent casino manager would exclude or add large wagering multiplier to all games with < 5% house edge. Normally when a casino has a promotion that offers players such value, I would appreciate it. However FortuneJack has proven over and over that they do what they want without regard to what they said they would do. And if you are not a shill for Fortune Jack, then there has never been a shill on these forums at all. Your comments are motivated only by the desire to make FortuneJack happy with you (since they give you money). Nothing else. (Also, FJ's BlackJack is not .5% , they would need to stand on soft 17 and adjust a couple other things for that to be the case - assuming the player knows optimal strategy. It's still right around 1% though, just pointing out they either gave you the wrong info or have the wrong rules posted, probably just both) I posted the right things and not any of my comment is exxagerating anything. Whatever it is, mr. fortunejack haters your last post against dice at 1 % house edge would make them lose money is unproven because even if blackjack isnt at 0.5 % house edge and it is around 1 % house edge, FJ still allows BJ to be played for the bonus If anyone is interested, here's example of what the shills are saying is unproven: I deposit .777 btc and receive a 1 btc bonus. The wagering requirement is 35 times the bonus, so 35 btc If I play a game with a 1% house edge, I can expect to lose 1% of 35 btc, which is .35 bitcoin. So if they give us 1 btc bonus, and clearing the requirements cost us only .35 bitcoin in losses, we can expect to profit an average of .65 btc. If you don't make any big bets and stick with a minimal variance game like Baccarat, you will end up with .55-.75 profit every time. The only problem is, FortuneJack doesn't follow their own rules, and when they realize their idea was a bad one will likely try to pull a similar stunt as the video contest. (They promised users the "most generious promotion in the history of Betcoin" then tried every move they could think of to get out of paying) |
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Wagered in dice game won't included? If I 35x wagered in dice game, bonus money won't be withdraw?
It is crystal clear already , wagering in dice wont be included therefore you are not getting any wagered amount no matter if you wagered 1000 times of the value. The reason would probably be because you can use auto in dice therefore there isnt any point of giving bonus for that since you wont be really "enjoying" any of the game when you are botting @erwin45hacked ,Jesus christ quit being such a shill! The word "dice" is not even mentioned in the terms, there's nothing clear about it. The only reason we know it's not included is because someone posted it in this thread. (and sometimes they claim that mistakes posted by them are not their fault ! ) The reason it's not included it because it's a 1% house edge game you could play with almost zero variance. (You would lose very close to only 30% of your bonus when the 30x playthrough is reached, allowing you to cash out the rest ) [Tip: Just go bet banker at baccarat live, will take a while but almost same result] Slots have auto bet also, but even with the bonus you'll have a negative expectation because of the house edge. No one is being a shill here Mr. fortunejack hater and if you would be so kind to check the site. They actually allow 50 % wager contributions for the provably fair casino games ( Blackjack ). It seems legit that they dont allow 1 % house edge while allow blackjack with 0.5 % house edge ( claimed by their support in live chat max ) . Your logic has a flaw there If they end up actually following their own terms and conditions, they will be losing a lot of money on any game with < 3% house edge. I explained to you the reason any qualified and intelligent casino manager would exclude or add large wagering multiplier to all games with < 5% house edge. Normally when a casino has a promotion that offers players such value, I would appreciate it. However FortuneJack has proven over and over that they do what they want without regard to what they said they would do. And if you are not a shill for Fortune Jack, then there has never been a shill on these forums at all. Your comments are motivated only by the desire to make FortuneJack happy with you (since they give you money). Nothing else. (Also, FJ's BlackJack is not .5% , they would need to stand on soft 17 and adjust a couple other things for that to be the case - assuming the player knows optimal strategy. It's still right around 1% though, just pointing out they either gave you the wrong info or have the wrong rules posted, probably just both) |
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Wagered in dice game won't included? If I 35x wagered in dice game, bonus money won't be withdraw?
It is crystal clear already , wagering in dice wont be included therefore you are not getting any wagered amount no matter if you wagered 1000 times of the value. The reason would probably be because you can use auto in dice therefore there isnt any point of giving bonus for that since you wont be really "enjoying" any of the game when you are botting @erwin45hacked ,Jesus christ quit being such a shill! The word "dice" is not even mentioned in the terms, there's nothing clear about it. The only reason we know it's not included is because someone posted it in this thread. (and sometimes they claim that mistakes posted by them are not their fault ! ) The reason it's not included it because it's a 1% house edge game you could play with almost zero variance. (You would lose very close to only 30% of your bonus when the 30x playthrough is reached, allowing you to cash out the rest ) [Tip: Just go bet banker at baccarat live, will take a while but almost same result] Slots have auto bet also, but even with the bonus you'll have a negative expectation because of the house edge. |
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Provide a list of the contestants who were paid in total 3 BTC. People are claiming you did not pay.
All your posts regarding signature campaign enrolment are deleted, so we can't bring up any proofs. The whole marketing team states otherwise.
No they aren't. lol Sig campaign thread isn't self moderated. I've never wore any signature advertising any site EVER. The whole marketing team= Tako? Same person who is likely to blame for this entire mess? |
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