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Call me impatient one, but here is what I think about it.  Pretty much this. It's a clear disappointment with respect to someone who appeared to be a honest and a "no BS" kind of person. |
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Good communication in contrast to other ASIC shops ... |
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That was such a tard comment. Anyway, physical incompatibility is incompatible. You can't put B3 modules in a B2 unit.
Whoa dogie, down boy. That's exactly how your title reads. It's exactly how everyone uses "incompatible" when talking about computer gear. "Incompatible" means to me that there is no way to get it to work. On top of that you say you can't put them in a B2 unit, but you show a B2 unit with a B3 board in it? Wat? You clearly "put it in", whether or not you mounted it is another question. +1 Mixing them would confuse the software temperature targets of the different modules too since B3 modules read 20 degrees higher due to being closer to the chip.
Would this matter? It's possible that B3 bitstream is optimized for B3 temps (Atleast for the open sourced hardware solution). Though wouldn't that just make the fans run faster for that 'sensor'? From my understanding the temp sensors are aligned 1:1 with regards to the fans. If a higher temp is read in the lower module the higher temp would make that fan go faster? Therefore, possibly making the issue a non issue? Just guessing and haven't checked. This assumes the same temp sensors are being used (and based on pictures it appears the same ones are used). |
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When you state "not compatible" you imply that they aren't electronically and/or physically compatible. They're just not physically compatible ...
Before connecting them electronically did you check if they are electronically compatible or did you do the "close your eyes and pray" type of deal?
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Why are you guys even talking about this?
These would be incredibly over priced even if they included all the Avalon chips (which they don't).
I dunno why anyone would buy one, perhaps I'm converting my currencies wrong??
EDIT: On the second look, it looks like only their hardware that comes with ASIC chips is expensive:
The spot avalon 4 # 110G ¥ 68888
August 30 presale avalon 4 # 110G ¥ 42888
September 30 presale avalon 4 # 110G ¥ 28888
Their price without chips is reasonable I guess.
If you're confident with bitcoin value increasing these will make ROI. Otherwise, these won't make ROI. You're better off buying coins then, though, imho. Spet 30 - 4,719.11 US Dollar Aug 30 - 7,006.14 US Dollar On Spot - 11,253.47 US Dollar For 11,253.47 if the weekly difficulty increase is at least 10% you'll be taking a 4,700 loss. The only way you'll make ROI is if bitcoin value increases. For 11,253.47 if the weekly difficulty increases by 50 TH/s per week you'll be taking a 1,100 loss. The only way you'll make ROI is if bitcoin value increases. For 7,006.14 if the weekly difficulty increase is at least 10% you'll be taking a 1,600 loss. The only way you'll make ROI is if bitcoin value increases. For 7,006.14 if the weekly difficulty increases by 50 TH/s per week you'll make ROI. This is extremely optimistic and *may* happen but probably won't. For 4,719.11 if the weekly difficulty increase is at least 10% you'll be taking a 1,100 loss. The only way you'll make ROI is if bitcoin value increases. For 4,719.11 if the weekly difficulty increases by 50 TH/s per week you'll make ROI. This is extremely optimistic and probably won't happen. Translation: You're better off buying bitcoins than mining hardware. I don't understand why someone would say this is reasonable. I guess if people are accustomed to giving away their money for free then yea - this is reasonable. |
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You seem to be confused. Fraud is a criminal matter, not the product of regulation. For that matter, contracts are a civil matter, also not part of regulation.
Those that support deregulation are in favor of allowing honest ponzi schemes. Like if someone says "I'm going to pay you from the money I get from people that join after you, and the people that join too late are screwed." Most libertarians would be fine with that. However, if the same guy said "I'm going to invest your money in postage futures." but really paid early investors with money paid in by later investors, that is both fraud (dishonesty) and breach of contract (didn't do what he promised). Very few people in favor of deregulation are also in favor of legalizing fraud, and only the really extreme guys are in favor of gutting the civil court system.
Seriously?  Comments like that are the most naive and idiotic nonsense I've ever read. |
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Unknown are all solominers mining without a pool and cant be identified. Its not a single person.
There is, as far as i remember to read, a reseller that got many avalon chips and sells them now higher in form of miners. I wonder if he ordered his chips before us.
I hope yifu has a really good explaination. But i think he cant. There is no good reason for no communication. And he has experience how long chip production needs. I wonder what he will claim.
I did not get an answer from any of the emails i sent questions too, by the way.
Which is exactly why I wrote it's flimsy and mere speculation. I have no idea how the piecharts are generated but there appears to be a "Unknown" and an "Other Unknown". But yes, all speculation. Darn  . |
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I think it is safe to assume that Yifu is not holding back the chips for the sake of the Avalon batch #3 customers, that batch is almost completed and the risk of law-suits is too great that he will gamble with it. It is highly probable that chips do not exists at this moment otherwise he would have shiped at least some quantity to stop the commotion.
Key questions is: What is the reason that Avalon doesn't have enough chips to ship? We can only try to guess, so these are few assumptions and some data to back each one:
1) Yifu doesn't have enough money to pay TMSC manfacturing the chips.
Data:
- He stated several times he doesn't control BTC address which received the payments. At the moment we assumed that he received cash in exchange for the control of it, but fact that funds are still siting on that address unspent is puzzling.
2) Yifu is not in control of Avalon design and the data needed for fabrication.
Data:
- Members of the Avalon team had several confirmed disagreements, and even the chip designer carrying the nickname "Gridchip" was allegedly trying to find another partnership instead of Yifu's. It is also unclear how is Gridchip connected to the giant delivery of Avalon chips to Russia, it may be possible that he is in some way involved in that deal apart from the rest of the Avalon team. Could it be possible that delivery caused permanent split, and Gridchip took some data with him which is essential for chip manufacturing?
3) ... (feel free to add your own)
3) Someone bid a good amount of money to get chips fast because he didnt want to wait. Yifu gave him our chips and now waits for more chips to be created to ship them to us. Tempted to go with 3 but it's really all just speculation. An interesting point, though, that is somewhat flimsily backed by the following piechart: http://blockchain.info/poolsThe "Unknown" is awfully big at around 19% of the network hashrate. It comes out to be about ~70 terahash/s. The "Unknown" can be anyone but I've only started noticing it within the last month - but that could be for other reasons. |
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Please DON'T ship them!! At least not for 2 more months.
Batch 2 just shipped less than a month ago after being long delayed. Give us some time to make back our ROI before you flood the mining world with discrete chips.
I'm tired of posts like these. |
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That looks like a custom PDU design or a new PDU design. As far as I'm aware few, if any, B1 or B2 avalons have a PDU with fan power in. Most old PDUs (Like the card reader factory one) do not have the fan input on the PDU.
Based on wiki you may have a redesigned PDU / Control Unit. If you do go the cardreader route you will need to, probably, get a new Controller, a new PDU, and the necessary cables. Otherwise you won't be able to use fans and that's pretty critical.
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Does anyone know any more detail about ngzhang? His name or other details? He writes in his profile that he wont read PM's but maybe some other data can be found. And the other user that posted the boxes with chips... is it really a member of BitSyncom? If so someone knows details? I believe Yifu is the one mostly for the blame. From my understanding (through reading these forums - therefore it may be wrong and should be considered a speculation) the group (ngzhang/yifu/etc) broke up due to ethical disagreements. I think the chip delays are this ethical disagreement. In what way? No idea - but that'd be another speculation. In any case it'd be nice if ngzhang could enlighten the community, or for that matter anyone from former 'Avalon', on what exactly is happening here. |
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It's time to start considering organizing a class action lawsuit against these dipshits.
No, no we ship now give 2 week ok ?Joking aside, all intrested parties should start considering this option. I am not sure though how it would apply to persons outside the US. I'm guessing that it would not matter but i'm not a lawyer. Serious question though: even if you won a lawsuit, how exactly would you collect if his assets are in BTC? The fact that BTC can't be seized or frozen or in any other way controlled by the government is a key selling point. Lawsuits, for the most part, are rarely, if ever, about retrieving all assets. There's usually an ulterior motive beyond asset retrieval and are the result of a beyond-than-pissed-off customers. I'd highly doubt if it went as far as a lawsuit the primary objective would be asset retrieval. Even if all BTC assets were retrieved they are less than 50% of the investment in making anything out of the chips. This fact, alone, indicates a lawsuit's primary objective would not be asset retrieval. |
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Still can't believe no updates have been mailed out by Avalon. Chips were given a 9-10 week deadline. There should have not been any delays with these - especially if they were to have been shipped directly from the factory and just needed to be remailed. Unfortunately, per Zefir's 1st batch, it looks like Avalon has to manaully remove 400 chips from every order. REALLY?!?! Absurd. It's about week 15. Had chips been given a 9+ week deadline noone from the chip order would be complaining. When you make a deadline like 9-10 weeks, instead of a 9+ week one, make sure you're able to keep it - especially if you want to keep your customers. I'm fairly confident that had deadline been 9+ weeks way fewer people would have ordered. Also, what is this with people who haven't purchased a b3 or a chip batch defending Avalon's incompetence in this thread. (In this case it isn't BFL with regards to the image)  |
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Not about the Batch 3's or chips being first.
We all ordered and we were all promised a delivery date.
Meet the dates or SHIP asap that is all that needs to be done.
This. I'm not sure why people are saying B3 or chips should be shipped first. It's deadlines that should be met when promised. Simple as that. Anyone who says B3 should come before chips appears to be playing a childish game of "me first". This is more about deadlines not being honored and not who should be going first. It's sort of expected that when someone says that something will be delivered on XYZ it will be delivered on XYZ not XYZ + A days/weeks/months. |
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The concern is that for the Chips people were given a 9-10 week *definitive* timeline.
Chips cannot be refunded - which is clear and most people seem to agree with this that they shouldn't.
Batch 3 is delayed and, incidentally, a refund has been offered. Any excuse to delay chips beyond batch 3 is absurd and unjustifiable.
You absolutely cannot use a Batch 3 as an excuse to make a 9-10 week lead time something that has a almost 15 week delay - at the minimum. No one in their right mind will continue doing business on a larger scale with a company that acts so unprofessionally. Over a 50% delay and not an update - not sure which is worse here.
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Have many of the early bulk chip orders been received yet?
Have no clue what the deal is... Figured Avalon would come through on these but am utterly disappointed thus far.
Zefir received on July 27 July 23 the batch he ordered April 16. #9725 April 16, 2013 Chips ordered https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.0Batch 2 for Zefir doesn't appear to have shipped as he'd update that thread (Atleast I believe so) if the chips would have shipped. Assuming chips ship with same delays, by day, by which they were ordered then Batch 2, even 3, would have shipped by now. Batch 4 would be a *maybe* soon. Either way chips are shipping. They are shipping with artificial delays. I'm fairly confident had people known orders are of 10,400 chips instead of 10,000 chips then people would have chosen to order 10,400 chips instead of 10,000 to prevent unnecessary repackaging of chips. As far as I see it noone in their right mind would do future business with Avalon due to artificial delays to promised '9-11 week' lead times. It's unacceptable. |
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Are you sure about that? The cases were designed to be stackable. Also air is not likely to pass through unless you are actively pushing air against the underside of the case.
I agree though that aluminium is the ideal metal to use.
I'm only speculatively certain about the spacing and have no contact with the person who did design it and no experience in case design. Though, it makes sense. If you put heat paste between the heat sink and the base heat will dissipate into the structure better. If the ambient temperature of the outside of the case is cooler than the inside the case then the case, due to it being of aluminum, should be acting like a heat sink due to extra surface area from the case being added to the heat sinks. If you were to stack the cases without the spacing heat would pass from one case to the other and wouldn't exactly dissipate as well. There's small spacing between cases as far as I can tell from pictures of people stacking them. |
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The original cases are much, much stronger as they're all flat, plate steel. A folded sheet design requires a much thinner material. Theoretically remove the case 'cover' in that design, and the base of your case is very weak to crushing (shearing) forces.
Relatively not drastically weak compared to computer cases, but then again how many computer cases do you ship around the world 2-5 times in its lifetime?
1) Original Cases are aluminum .... 2) Bending aluminum strengthens the structure. This isn't done by Avalon and not necessary. 3) Folded sheet design does not require a much thinner material. Edit: If you are going with avalon case design the base should be made of aluminum at the least. This allows heat to dissipate through the bottom. Cases also shouldn't directly sit on one another and there should be a spacing between them so that air can pass through. |
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