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61  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: December 01, 2017, 11:13:41 PM
CROMHhub - ICO has started, secure 25% bonus now!

First 1m token come with a 25% bonus. Move fast to secure the bonus!
Minimum contribution is now just 0.01 ETH.

https://cromhub.com/

I like the fact they do first 1m token get 25% good way to kick start this soon to be great ICO

i'm guessing they do that because the pre-ico didn't as well as expected. Given the massive increase in the ethereum price it was an development whom was not fully taken into consideration. So i agree, its a great method to compensate the potential setback they have suffered.

this is all speculation, i'm not part of the cromteam so i'm only making assumptions as to why they would do it.
62  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: December 01, 2017, 07:24:13 PM
Last 1 hour 40min for the pre-ico. If you can, you should now quickly secure the 25% bonus. ETH has also fallen a bit, so that you also benefit from it. Hurry!

Or you guys sure about this? Just went to the website and it says

-1 DAYS 17 HOURS 53 MINUTES 13 SECONDS

Could there be a delay in the start of the token sales?

I have also checked and I can also see that it's more than one day. If someone have idea/further information then please update here.

I just checked. public-ico is over, public-ico is running for the next 13 days and 18 hours. Unfortunately, on the homepage nothing of the revenue at the Pre-ico. but that is probably yet. But now you can see the great video on the homepage

hehe, you mean; Pre-sale is over and the main ICO just started and is still running for the coming 13 days. i had to read your post three times before i noticed what u meant lol
63  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: December 01, 2017, 04:01:58 PM
Crom team not only here to present the project, but they are available to discuss the project with anyone.

We can ask anything in this thread or join the discussion in Telegram group at

Telegram: https://t.me/joinchat/ANhBikDwg9pQ6EEepGDJ2Q

Great support from crom team


Yeaaa and they are so very open for critism and feedback! i truly love that about them, they know that they don't know everything and are very openminded for suggestions! That is the kind of mentality you need these days to establish something great
64  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: December 01, 2017, 03:38:39 PM
We are really waiting for this amazing project, its great opportunity to make good income. :-)

Sometimes ICO can be very good. I would take the risk, but after many research of the coin. The project of Crom is good and the site looks professional this will help Crom to have a good price.

Just wondering what you and others use to research coins like CROM, beyond the whitepapers/website? Have to say i put probably more value on a clean website and responsive admins, over the whitepaper info :S But thats me

Well, in a white paper they do have the possibility to demonstrate their technical and critical thinking abilities upfront I would say. It gives you a feeling whether the stuff can be realistic (if you are able to understand it). A clean website isn't just too high a barrier for scammers to overcome. Ok, you could say the same for the white paper. But if someone seriously writes a white paper which absolutely convinces you after reading and analyzing it thoroughly, then chances aren't that high those people have just written it for the lolz (again, assuming you have some background about the stuff you are reading). Responsive team is always a huge plus in my opinion, but there were ICOs where scammers turned out to be extraordinarily responsive for some time. You never know Cheesy

Yes indeed, no matter what you would find projects could always turn out to be a scam. That's why you don't need to see whitepaper - roadmap - clean website - marketing - team all apart. I look at it as a combo, in which the whitepaper gives important information. roadmap gives the info how fast they are planning on accomplishing these task. Marketing is a pretty important thing for me.. no project will fully reach any potential if you don't market it right. And then the team, it has to be diverse and not just solely developers. Also i want links to their social media, location etc. in that case you can see if they are real persons, so profiles on social media can't be brand new --> indicator for a scam.
65  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 30, 2017, 02:56:07 PM
Thank you for the explanations, when you convert the ETH prices into Fiat, it becomes more plausible why less is invested in crom when eth increases. Let's assume the minimum investment of 10ETH. two weeks ago that was around $ 3,000, yesterday it was nearly $ 5,000. You pay in crom so 2000 $ more, but don't get more tokens. this will not be any easier in the near future, so the pre-ico investors now have the double advantage, 25% bonus and the lower ETH at the start

This is exactly the point I am trying to raise for the past 2 weeks atleast. I know ETH - FIAT conversion is difficult and have to be done on real time when an investors invest. But simple algorithm can do that wonder and CROM can be stressfree in getting their tokens sold. CROM team should think about it and implement it ASAP. That will benefit CROM development a lot.

Ganesh my friend, I know that you want to bring us closer to this topic for 2 weeks, with me it took a little longer, unfortunately, until I understood it :-) But now I know myself and would support your suggestion. I hope I understand you faster in the future :-)
Also think now that a Fiat implementation would be a good idea (apart from possible legal effects)

yeeeeey, another supporter of the fiat implementation! slowly but steadily all of the posters here will realise how smart that would be. offcourse not considering possible legal effects. that is for the lawyers to find out.
66  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 29, 2017, 09:24:30 PM
lol i find it funny people are so upset that coins dropped some guy on a chat just said "omg the end of crypto is here" LMFAO, bitcoins still up last time i checked it was still up for the day even (+0.25% for the day) it was a correction.

Eth will continue to rise, but people need to calm down when it comes to corrections, you can tell the people in this market that are new, crypto is great cause its a profitable area that can go +100% in a day, but that also means it can -100% in a day, the way the coins work and due to supply and demand, it will always fluctuate but in most cases like in bitcoin the fact supply is limited will always drive prices to an equilibrium and then higher as demand grows based on publicity and network growth.

Tokens like crom are the same they depend on getting the word out and creating usage and demand for the tokens.

Altough i agree with you on most points, i do see where that dude was coming from in your chat. A correction is common and should not be feared, however this time there was a massive sudden pull-out out of the entire cryptocurrency market of 60-70 billion. consequently all coins dropped an average of 15-20%. And like not, just some or just the top coins, no like every coin at the samen time. pretty scary shit to see
67  Economy / Economics / Re: We gonna talk about that flash crash? on: November 29, 2017, 09:21:23 PM
FLASH is the proper description for it but no panic Bitcoin is back on track.
I think we are going to see this far more regularly. Someone posted in a
different thread that as the price gets higher the volatility will increase......
or something of that nature.

isn't it just the opposite? The larger the marketcap the lower the volatility? because you need more and more money to even influence said coin.
68  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 29, 2017, 09:02:19 PM

everyone is optimistic that the coin goes to the moon :-) so far I would not go, I would be glad if we would see us on a (high) mountain summit. And that is possible in any case.
And I'm more curious every day, how much was taken in the pre-ico

After release we will see a short dump, than we have to be strong. And after it, the token will come back more strongly. Same game everytime a coin or token reaches the exchanges,...

Its inevitable that people will dump their tokens especially the ones who have received bounties and bonuses. I fully support the project and I’m looking to HODL!

exactly, thats why im not all too worried about a big dump after listing. The bonusses they gave are very limited, so the amount of free coins are not that high. Given that most dumps consists of the free bounty coins, i would think the drop after listing will be quite small.

I think before the end of the year is going to be a big time for cryptos, every crypto is down massively at the moment but hopefully we will see people pump the altcoin markets after bitcoin hit all time highs!

yea, this massive dump in the crypto market hit me hard, like 60 billion dollars was pulled out at once out of the whole cryptomarket ;( Well more reason for investors to put their ethereum in CROM before the price further decreases!
69  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 29, 2017, 07:44:46 PM

everyone is optimistic that the coin goes to the moon :-) so far I would not go, I would be glad if we would see us on a (high) mountain summit. And that is possible in any case.
And I'm more curious every day, how much was taken in the pre-ico

After release we will see a short dump, than we have to be strong. And after it, the token will come back more strongly. Same game everytime a coin or token reaches the exchanges,...

Its inevitable that people will dump their tokens especially the ones who have received bounties and bonuses. I fully support the project and I’m looking to HODL!

exactly, thats why im not all too worried about a big dump after listing. The bonusses they gave are very limited, so the amount of free coins are not that high. Given that most dumps consists of the free bounty coins, i would think the drop after listing will be quite small.
70  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 28, 2017, 07:01:35 PM
Only 2 days left for Public ICO. Do you guys think that it will be successful, and that a lot of people will join it ? I think that there will not be a bonus for the public sale.

Yeah I don’t think there will be another bonus, they would have announced it by now. Which is disappointing because earlier in the thread one of the team members said they were considering it!

if there would be a bonus, it would probably be for the early investors in the pre-sale i guess. because they missed out the big price jump of ethereum. As far as i remember they would have only given a bonus due to the significant rise of ethereum.
71  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 28, 2017, 04:54:19 PM
I knew you guys were waiting for this... and here we go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlifs1ZwdvI

Enjoy!
why is this guy on the video talking so fast? Smiley I do not have time for him, where does he hurry?))


It's a one minute explainer video mate. Had to try a pass as much information across within the short time frame. That's why he had to be fast. You can replay again if you didn't hear well the first time. Thanks

I would have preferred slow and well explained video rather than the fast one. CROM team, could you make something now? Not sure about the amount of work for that. But it is much needed one. People should understand. Please focus on that and give priority to that aspect.

To explain everything about CROOM will require hours of video and I don't think the public have such time for such tutorial video. I personally think the video is good and it's for awareness thus who ever want to know more can visit their website for details. That's what the site is there for. The video is just too drive traffic to the website and create awareness.

I agree with the above, it's just an initial overview of CROM and gets peoples attention, if they want to know the ins and out's of CROM they can visit the website or read the whitepaper, its all heavily covered if the public want to see.

I think it's a very good idea the initial 1 min video, it certainly gets more peoples attention, rather than an hour long that no one has time for.

given to the fact that what you are saying is true (a motivation to learn more about crom), then i do not agree.. due to the speed and all the stuff that is happening as Visuals it is hard to completely follow what they are trying to say. If u only saw that quick vid, i would not be more interested in CROM because it looks pretty difficult.
72  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 28, 2017, 11:48:50 AM
Accepting fiat currencies just opens up ICO's to too much scrutinisation buddy, you really won't see it happening. The SEC and other watchdog groups have their eyes on ICO's like a hawk at the moment in most countries they haven't been hamstrung by red tape but as soon as the watchdogs start being annoying about it we end up with situations where only verified investors can spend and the minimum investment goes from 50-500 to 50k-100k to get started which just kills what ICO's are for the little guy investors like me.

Why would it change if you accept fiat payments? I Don't see the causality between acceptant fiat ayments and a increase in minimum investment? I do see a causality between interference of a gobernment in ico's and maybe an increase in minimum investment but that has in first instance not any effect.. once the crypto is getting very big then Yes they have to step in before then it is still a wild west..

Plain said; I Don't see any prove which would explain your argument

I don't see that problem either. There are already ICOs that accept fiat and don't have such a high minimum investment. For example NapoleonX, the project I wear the signature. The important thing is that they have a KYC process for every investor.
 
But you are right at one point, it's something different when you are from the US. Because of the SEC, a lot of projects don't allow US investors to participate at all or if you can contribute, you have to be an accredited investor. That means you need to have a $200,000 annual income and a net worth exceeding $1 million.

Thank you! i was not aware of the specifics but i'm glad u knew.. Have to say, weird rule they got there in the USA. What is a KYC processor tho? i'm not familiar with that.
73  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 28, 2017, 11:10:50 AM
I knew you guys were waiting for this... and here we go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlifs1ZwdvI

Enjoy!

Yeeeeaaas! Great work CROM! This would definiately help boosting your rating and thus attracting more investors! I bet the ICO is gonna go quick once people are aware. Anyways, love it that u guys listened to us Smiley
74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 27, 2017, 07:13:36 PM
Accepting fiat currencies just opens up ICO's to too much scrutinisation buddy, you really won't see it happening. The SEC and other watchdog groups have their eyes on ICO's like a hawk at the moment in most countries they haven't been hamstrung by red tape but as soon as the watchdogs start being annoying about it we end up with situations where only verified investors can spend and the minimum investment goes from 50-500 to 50k-100k to get started which just kills what ICO's are for the little guy investors like me.

Why would it change if you accept fiat payments? I Don't see the causality between acceptant fiat ayments and a increase in minimum investment? I do see a causality between interference of a gobernment in ico's and maybe an increase in minimum investment but that has in first instance not any effect.. once the crypto is getting very big then Yes they have to step in before then it is still a wild west..

Plain said; I Don't see any prove which would explain your argument
75  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 27, 2017, 01:06:57 PM
https://blog.cromhub.com/

Great website which includes all CROMHUB updates to date, very useful for anyone looking to invest, you can keep up-to-date with the latest from the CROM team

Thank you for bringing me to the blog again. Have a look back and I noticed that in some articles further links are offered on specific topics. For example, I found a link to "token economics" which helped me a lot in this area. Great thing!

Quite nice indeed, is it something usefull for beginners in the cryptocurrencie? if so, it would be one of those things that would work great with accepting fiat currency Wink hehe, yes yes, i keep hammering on this subject!
76  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 27, 2017, 10:32:52 AM


I totally agree with you. "Fiat" as a regular alternative payment method will no longer play a role in the crypto world. Finally, the cryptocurrencies were developed precisely for this purpose.

YS Crypto

But don't you think we are not at that stadium yet? Crypto is fairly young and it isn't as adopted as many people here would love to believe. So to get to that stadium you should accept fiat currency until you the cryptoworld can stand on its own. Then and only then you can disavow fiat currency's otherwise you are just 'cutting in your own fingers' as we would say in the Netherlands.
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Of course this is a good point that bermudal addresses. Even though we often only think in terms of cryptocurrencies here, many others do not even know what an ethereum is. These would of course be easier to address with Fiat. But do these people even know that there is an ICO? that's just something out of the crypto world that they do not really know
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That's just the problem, 98% of all people have no significant knowledge of cryptocurrencies. That makes the potential of this market but also the danger. Unfortunately. Good that we are still at the beginning and we have the opportunity to take part in this trip.
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i see most negative factors as positive. They don't know alot about cryptocurrency's but do got the FOMO. By offering the fiat option you make it easy for them to buy the token. However, because they don't know alot about cryptocurrency's they are unable to easily dump said tokens. This would force this group to either hold their coin/token (good) or have them gain more knowledge about cryptocurrency to be able to dump (also good).

Either way you would expand the reach of cryptocurrency's
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 27, 2017, 10:03:28 AM
For some reason, https://www.trackico.io/ico/cromhub/#overview  says here that the crome team from Hong Kong. I thought they from Germany, or am I mistaken?

It could be that their main office is based in Hong Kong but that they also have offices in Germany. This is the case for many ICOs, they have offices in country of origin and main office based in Switzerland or Hong Kong

Yes, as far as i read. They are officially located in Hong kong, i think it has to do with some better legal matters. But the team itself is based in Germany i believe.
78  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 26, 2017, 09:10:13 PM
Why should they be interested in Fiat? Guess as soon as cash is involved, grab various regulations and rules of the central banks which one does not have in the realm of crypto currencies

I totally agree with you. "Fiat" as a regular alternative payment method will no longer play a role in the crypto world. Finally, the cryptocurrencies were developed precisely for this purpose.

YS Crypto

But don't you think we are not at that stadium yet? Crypto is fairly young and it isn't as adopted as many people here would love to believe. So to get to that stadium you should accept fiat currency until you the cryptoworld can stand on its own. Then and only then you can disavow fiat currency's otherwise you are just 'cutting in your own fingers' as we would say in the Netherlands.


It is the question on which platform we move. I think that ETH-based projects can already accept FIAT as a means of payment in a pre-ICO, but not later. Only the administrative burden of all currency and the price risk of each currency is unacceptable.

Administrative burden (and perhaps legal affairs) regarding the use of fiat currency are the 2 actual concerns in my eyes indeed. I keep raising this subject because some people here truly believe we have already moved on from fiat currency's.. They don't believe it would contribute to the advancement and adoption of cryptocurrency.

I'm just saying, you can say; no we don't/can't use fiat currency due to administrative of legal issues. But to say; we don't use fiat currency because it wouldn't contribute to the advancement and adoption of our currency is just kinda weird to me.
79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 26, 2017, 07:18:53 PM
Why should they be interested in Fiat? Guess as soon as cash is involved, grab various regulations and rules of the central banks which one does not have in the realm of crypto currencies

I totally agree with you. "Fiat" as a regular alternative payment method will no longer play a role in the crypto world. Finally, the cryptocurrencies were developed precisely for this purpose.

YS Crypto

But don't you think we are not at that stadium yet? Crypto is fairly young and it isn't as adopted as many people here would love to believe. So to get to that stadium you should accept fiat currency until you the cryptoworld can stand on its own. Then and only then you can disavow fiat currency's otherwise you are just 'cutting in your own fingers' as we would say in the Netherlands.
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CROM - TRANSPARENCY, TRUST AND LIQUIDITY IN PERFORMANCE MARKETING on: November 26, 2017, 07:01:48 PM
Cromhub just tweeted this: https://twitter.com/CroMhub/status/934753547161358337

This is one of the best #ICOs out there! Proof? Just got another great rating here: https://www.trackico.io/ico/cromhub/
#blockchains #Berlin #Hongkong #Ethereum

They have a 4.6 rating, which is a pretty high rating

Wow you guys are faster than me. Cheesy

Indeed, here's the official announcement, we are pretty happy with  the rating we got from trackico.io, you can find it here.

https://www.trackico.io/ico/cromhub/#overview

That is a really good rating, you guys must be excited about the good feedback you’re getting about the team and the project! Hopefully the good news keeps coming!

Indeed, it looks great guys! Too bad this rating is now just before the video's go live.. as i can see, that is the reason you didn't the full 5 in the rating Sad Next one will be with video's and then they got nothing on u guys!
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