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61  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do You Believe The Bible To Be Historically Accurate? on: September 27, 2014, 04:12:03 PM
The earth spins and rotates around the sun.  The bible rather suggests that the sun moved across the sky daily which we know does not happen. (unless you are saying that god changed these matters since the events described?)  Now the spinning of the earth entails certain physical phenomena.  The sudden stop of the rotation would mean the contents of the earth would keep moving.  This would have to be taken care of by god.  Especially water in the seas and lakes.  (This came after the flood).
Actually the Earth rotates on it's axis, and orbits the Sun in an elliptical orbit.Please, Rigon!  You need not further confuse Zolace. He has enough on his plate as it is!
62  Other / Off-topic / Re: Conscience on: September 27, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
Romans chapter 1 also describes the effects of a damaged conscience.Denying the existance of the Creator, for one.

So again, what can be done to repair the Conscience?
I can't prove a negative.You, however, have to show that the Bible is an expert source of psychology.
Actually - it would be easier to prove the Bible is not authoritative, if it is indeed not, then to prove it is authoritative, even if it is.

You can run from your conscience, but, you cannot hide forever, guy.

But, it can be repaired.  Just - you and I cannot do it.
That's easy......
The Bible isn't authoritative!

Prove me wrong,it's the ol' Empty Bucket analogy.....
Everyone can see the bucket is empty, but you want us to believe the bucket is full.....

Prove the empty bucket is full.....

( We won't be holding our breath in anticipation....)
63  Other / Off-topic / Re: Conscience on: September 27, 2014, 02:44:11 PM
Romans chapter 1 also describes the effects of a damaged conscience.Denying the existance of the Creator, for one.

So again, what can be done to repair the Conscience?
I can't prove a negative.You, however, have to show that the Bible is an expert source of psychology.
64  Other / Off-topic / Re: Conscience on: September 27, 2014, 02:02:43 PM
What do you do when your conscience is shouting, "You're in really big trouble! I feel guilty! I feel defiled!" What can you do? Psychologists say that people everywhere are suffering the effects of guilty, trampled, defiled consciences.

Your conscience can never remove guilt; all it can do is accuse you if you have done wrong. It can do nothing to help you! Someone has said that "A guilty conscience is a hell on earth and points to one beyond." An accusing conscience points out the guilt of our sin. Maybe years ago you stole money from your mom or you had an abortion or you've been unfaithful to your spouse. It doesn't take long before you're living as a prisoner of guilt and shame.

The Greek philosopher Seneca said, "Every guilty person is his own hangman."
Can you think for yourself without referencing the Bible?

don't you quote what you believe are authoritative?

And, did you not learn much from books - written by others?


Actually, the conscience is something we can (and do) observe - as has been seen by some of the posts.  The Bible offers the missing information on it.
The problem with the Bible is it's not authoritive.
65  Other / Off-topic / Re: Conscience on: September 27, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
What do you do when your conscience is shouting, "You're in really big trouble! I feel guilty! I feel defiled!" What can you do? Psychologists say that people everywhere are suffering the effects of guilty, trampled, defiled consciences.

Your conscience can never remove guilt; all it can do is accuse you if you have done wrong. It can do nothing to help you! Someone has said that "A guilty conscience is a hell on earth and points to one beyond." An accusing conscience points out the guilt of our sin. Maybe years ago you stole money from your mom or you had an abortion or you've been unfaithful to your spouse. It doesn't take long before you're living as a prisoner of guilt and shame.

The Greek philosopher Seneca said, "Every guilty person is his own hangman."
Can you think for yourself without referencing the Bible?
66  Other / Off-topic / Re: Oh, the irony! iPhone 6 copies the Nexus 4. on: September 27, 2014, 10:22:04 AM
I'm impressed that apple can take things android has had for years and do a better job of implementing them. I think widgets in the Notification Center of iOS is awesome. It looks much cleaner and is more accessible than widgets which are on the home screen.
67  Other / Politics & Society / Re: America's richest and poorest states on: September 25, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
And, in a listing of most abnormal, California ranked 11th, Alaska 1st.

http://money.msn.com/investing/the-most-abnormal-states-in-america



States with the most oil.  Texas tops that, Alaska is 3rd, California 4th. New Mexico 5th, interestingly (had not realized it was an oil state).  North Dakota 2nd.

http://money.msn.com/investing/5-states-with-the-most-oil
How many of those jobs were in Texas, I wonder?
Ah, that would be over one million jobs in Texas....with more everyday.
So still right around half.  And I'm willing to bet a goodly number of them are in the oil fields in North Dakota and Colorado.
more than likely.


http://www.dallasnews.com/business/headlines/20140128-texas-led-national-job-growth-in-2013.ece

This reports Texas Job growth at about 229K per year.  Don't know about this year so far.  It must be something that those GOP politicians do (oil) that makes the economy (oil) so strong.  Clearly Texas should be proud of their GOP leadership (oil) and what it (oil) has done for their economy (oil).



68  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do You Believe The Bible To Be Historically Accurate? on: September 25, 2014, 06:33:53 PM
Once I worked out how much water was required to flood the world to 10 cubits above the highest mountain.  It was a lot, where it went nobody knows.  And how the seas were salty and lakes were not, even after this mixing of water is hard to reconcile with the truth.
I'm guessing......The hard part was figuring out what a "cubit" was....?
nah, a cubit is usually given the figure of 0.45m so the figure is height of Mt Everest plus 4.5metres.The hardest part was finding out the volume of dry land situated above sea level.
A cubit was the length between the tip of the middle finger to the elbow of the current ............ Ruler (King) at the time.
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The hardest part was finding out the volume of dry land situated above sea level.
Why would you bother?  It's just a myth.Have you figured-out how Noah got all those animals on the Ark?Now THAT would be something!
69  Other / Off-topic / Re: Conscience on: September 25, 2014, 06:31:45 PM
...you sleep with another man's wife?
.... have you cheated on your wife?
...told a lie to your kids (assuming you have kids, that is...) ?
...screwed-over a fellow employee....?
....stolen something that doesn't belong to you....?


You can unburden yourself here. I promise your secret is safe here.
You are among friends! We're not here to judge you or condemn you, but offer moral support.  Grin
So, how does one repair a damaged conscience?

Could be from stealing, from divorcing one's spouse, from lying, from just immoral thoughts. 

The conscience is then accusing.  If continually ignored, the voice may get reduced to a whisper.  But, ignored or not, what can be done?
Yep! Guilty conscience.
70  Other / Off-topic / Re: Conscience on: September 25, 2014, 06:13:09 PM
...you sleep with another man's wife?
.... have you cheated on your wife?
...told a lie to your kids (assuming you have kids, that is...) ?
...screwed-over a fellow employee....?
....stolen something that doesn't belong to you....?


You can unburden yourself here. I promise your secret is safe here.
You are among friends! We're not here to judge you or condemn you, but offer moral support.  Grin
71  Other / Off-topic / Do You Believe The Bible To Be Historically Accurate? on: September 24, 2014, 06:17:12 PM
Do you beleive the Bible is historically accurate? Does it matter to you if it's not?
72  Other / Off-topic / Re: EXODUS on: September 24, 2014, 06:06:22 PM
It is a testimony to how sinful we can be, and how we prefer even to cling to our sin.

Note also that these people, though unable to enter the promised land, were still provided for by God - that was mercy also.
Pitcairn Island.  The most Godly people on the planet, actually sought after by ship's captains and captains of industry everywhere.  One of the deserters of Mutiny of the Bounty fame is credited with giving rise to such a people.  He read the bible and taught from it, so it's a good survival manual.
They cried out for deliverance (the Egyptian were oppressing them).  They were being exterminated in fact.

God sent Moses, and through Moses delivered them time and again, with awesome miracles.  But, the hardness of the human heart finds itself going back to unbelief and sin.  Mercy kept God from giving what the people deserve each time they went into AWFUL sin.
Fairy tales.
There is not one ounce of truth in EXODUS, or any other book of The Bible. No need for further discussion with an idiot who places his "faith" in fairy tales. 
73  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do we defeat ISIS without U.S. Ground Troops? on: September 24, 2014, 04:03:07 PM
Maliki initially refused to go because he knew, in the end, we would protect him no matter how much we disapproved of him. When that protection left and we made our return help conditional upon his stepping down, only then did he leave office. We saw this before with the Habre administration in Chad with France. Pretty similar situation. Sometimes having physical presences and guaranteeing the safety of the central government prevents the reform necessary for the country to evolve its political institutions or seek better governance / a compromise that will help promote peace and inclusiveness in the long run.

Sometimes, unfortunately, there is very little that one can constructively do when it comes to intervention in foreign domestic disputes.
This is the part I take issue with. I believe Obama let the situation deteriorate intentionally. I'm not necessarily opposed to him doing that, by the way.
What makes you believe that and what motivation would you see in that?
74  Other / Off-topic / Re: Purgatory on: September 23, 2014, 05:23:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Purgatory

 Actually, the concept of Purgatory dates back even before Christ.  Praying for the dead and their afterlife purification is found in history of Jews. 

"The descriptions and doctrine regarding purgatory developed over the centuries.[2] Advocates of belief in purgatory interpret Bible passages such as 2 Maccabees 12:41-46 (not accepted as Scripture by Protestants but recognized by Orthodox and Catholics), 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 16:19-26 and 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 and Hebrews 12:29 as support for prayer for the dead, an active interim state for the dead prior to the resurrection, and purifying flames after death.[2] "


Medievalist Jacques Le Goff defines the "birth of purgatory", i.e. the conception of purgatory as a physical place, rather than merely as a state, as occurring between 1170 and 1200.[38] Le Goff acknowledged that the notion of purification after death, without the medieval notion of a physical place, existed in antiquity, arguing specifically that Clement of Alexandria, and his pupil Origen of Alexandria, derived their view from a combination of biblical teachings, though he considered vague concepts of purifying and punishing fire to predate Christianity.[39] Le Goff also considered Peter the Lombard (d. 1160), in expounding on the teachings of St. Augustine and Gregory the "Great, to have contributed significantly to the birth of purgatory in the sense of a physical place.

While the idea of purgatory as a process of cleansing thus dated back to early Christianity, the 12th century was the heyday of medieval otherworld-journey narratives such as the Irish Visio Tnugdali, and of pilgrims' tales about St. Patrick's Purgatory, a cavelike entrance to purgatory on a remote island in Ireland.[40] The legend of St Patrick's Purgatory (Tractatus de Purgatorio Sancti Patricii) written in that century by Hugh of Saltry, also known as Henry of Sawtry, was "part of a huge, repetitive contemporary genre of literature of which the most familiar today is Dante's";[41] another is the Visio Tnugdali. Other legends localized the entrance to Purgatory in places such as a cave on the volcanic Mount Etna in Sicily.[42] Thus the idea of purgatory as a physical place became widespread on a popular level, and was defended also by some theologians.
So who is correct?  Everyone?  Do you lilke the other parts of the Old testament as well?  If so, when can we get together and stone my neighbor for shaving his beard?
The Old Testament is included also in this - but, as with anything, who is the audience that a particular section is written to?

For example, as a rough illustration, the US constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation.  It is essentially a new testament with the states, that included some elements from before, added some others, excluded some others.  (As an aside, that too can get replaced one day).
The Christian Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is a collection of fairy tales.
You could add even more testaments to the Bible, but it would not be law, and it would never be anything more than a collection of fairy tales.
75  Other / Off-topic / Re: Purgatory on: September 23, 2014, 05:21:04 PM

For example, as a rough illustration, the US constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation.  It is essentially a new testament with the states, that included some elements from before, added some others, excluded some others.  (As an aside, that too can get replaced one day).

Actually, the Articles of Confederation have never been repealed, have they? So, they are still active for anyone who wants to use them.

Smiley
The US Constitution superseded/replaced all US State Constitution when it was ratified and adopted as the Law of The Land in The United States of America.
76  Other / Off-topic / Re: IT Crew question on: September 23, 2014, 05:02:18 PM
I've worked in IT for about 10 years now with no certs. I will only get if a specific client requires me to for their specific something or other.

Maybe get just network + and one other simple and cheap one of you wanna learn the basics. Depending what you wanna do ultimately.

I did go to college for IT but I don't necessarily known if it did anything for me knowledge wise. More of a foot in the door.
77  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do we defeat ISIS without U.S. Ground Troops? on: September 23, 2014, 04:54:56 PM
Maliki initially refused to go because he knew, in the end, we would protect him no matter how much we disapproved of him. When that protection left and we made our return help conditional upon his stepping down, only then did he leave office. We saw this before with the Habre administration in Chad with France. Pretty similar situation. Sometimes having physical presences and guaranteeing the safety of the central government prevents the reform necessary for the country to evolve its political institutions or seek better governance / a compromise that will help promote peace and inclusiveness in the long run.

Sometimes, unfortunately, there is very little that one can constructively do when it comes to intervention in foreign domestic disputes.
78  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do we defeat ISIS without U.S. Ground Troops? on: September 23, 2014, 04:28:21 PM
The only people able to stand against ISIS right now are the Kurds, and they are only succeeding because of U.S. Airstrikes. But the Kurds only defend their own territory. It is unlikely they will go further south to fight ISIS. Most of the rest of the Iraqi Army is turning and fleeing at the first sight of ISIS.

My question is: If airstrikes can only do so much against ISIS, how can we defeat ISIS in Iraq without U.S. Ground Troops if most of the Iraqi Army does not want to fight?
US  arm them. Maybe not intentionally, but it has everything to do with unintentional consequences of poorly executed foreign policy. As far as funding, there's no real doubt Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Syria, and many other countries have given them funding for all kinds of reasons.....so lets stop funding and arming them.
And what foreign policy would that be? Invading Iraq? I agree, that was pure idiocy.
We agree on this.
But the next incident of pure idiocy was leaving no troops behind to stop groups like ISIS, because that is the situation that Obama inherited. He just made a bad scenario much worse.
We lost Iraq long before Obama was in office. Banning the Baathists dismantling Iraq's army and civil service wasn't a very good start, ignoring the lessons learned from the Gulf War was another poor start. Iraq was pretty much doomed. We had a chance, but the Maliki administration destroyed it and would have even if we had stayed (and it is likely he would still be in power if we had stayed which might have made long run change even worse off).
I can't say I agree with that conclusion, but it's easy to blame Bush.
It's easy to blame Bush simply because the Bush Administration messed it up so badly (let's not forget that it was the invasion of Iraq that allowed AQI, the predecessor of ISIS, to be heavily established in the first place). The conclusion, is based both on internal sentiment expressed by Petraeus, current stated reasons for Sunni Tribal and militia support for the ISIS movement which said movement depends on, and on general lessons from history from other countries in similar situations.
79  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do we defeat ISIS without U.S. Ground Troops? on: September 23, 2014, 04:19:11 PM
The only people able to stand against ISIS right now are the Kurds, and they are only succeeding because of U.S. Airstrikes. But the Kurds only defend their own territory. It is unlikely they will go further south to fight ISIS. Most of the rest of the Iraqi Army is turning and fleeing at the first sight of ISIS.

My question is: If airstrikes can only do so much against ISIS, how can we defeat ISIS in Iraq without U.S. Ground Troops if most of the Iraqi Army does not want to fight?
US  arm them. Maybe not intentionally, but it has everything to do with unintentional consequences of poorly executed foreign policy. As far as funding, there's no real doubt Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Syria, and many other countries have given them funding for all kinds of reasons.....so lets stop funding and arming them.
And what foreign policy would that be? Invading Iraq? I agree, that was pure idiocy.
We agree on this.
But the next incident of pure idiocy was leaving no troops behind to stop groups like ISIS, because that is the situation that Obama inherited. He just made a bad scenario much worse.
We lost Iraq long before Obama was in office. Banning the Baathists dismantling Iraq's army and civil service wasn't a very good start, ignoring the lessons learned from the Gulf War was another poor start. Iraq was pretty much doomed. We had a chance, but the Maliki administration destroyed it and would have even if we had stayed (and it is likely he would still be in power if we had stayed which might have made long run change even worse off).
80  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do we defeat ISIS without U.S. Ground Troops? on: September 23, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
The only people able to stand against ISIS right now are the Kurds, and they are only succeeding because of U.S. Airstrikes. But the Kurds only defend their own territory. It is unlikely they will go further south to fight ISIS. Most of the rest of the Iraqi Army is turning and fleeing at the first sight of ISIS.

My question is: If airstrikes can only do so much against ISIS, how can we defeat ISIS in Iraq without U.S. Ground Troops if most of the Iraqi Army does not want to fight?
US  arm them. Maybe not intentionally, but it has everything to do with unintentional consequences of poorly executed foreign policy. As far as funding, there's no real doubt Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Syria, and many other countries have given them funding for all kinds of reasons.....so lets stop funding and arming them.
And what foreign policy would that be? Invading Iraq? I agree, that was pure idiocy.
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