So the only issue i keep hearing about is syncing.. you need to update the blockchain download file more often. Because anything more than an hour or two is going to turn everyone off of syncing a wallet. i know there is a lite client now but everyone wanting to stake is getting fed up of the wait.
There's update coming for it within the week. Faster syncing and with a higher efficiency.
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So whats this big news i keep hearing about coming?
The weekly update should be due in the next few hours.
Warm Regards,
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How do earn navcoin? 
If you already own NAV you can start your wallet stake away. 
Warm Regards,
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The other Windows downloads are corrupted it tells me. I already have the zips for blockchain and NAV wallet zip, just wasn't sure how to setup to get it to read the blockchain and peers etc. Also for your info Ubuntu 16.04 install didn't work properly, got some errors and warnings. I managed to get the gui open and had 1 peer for like 2 seconds but I had to work around a different way to install that also and don't trust now it is secure or missing files with the warnings etc. I'll firgure it out, just wanted to start staking rather than it sitting on phone wallet (which I keep getting crashes with if I enter the settings menu so you know for bugs. Android 5.1 Chinese MTK phone Rooted), but might just use the electrum lite wallets for now. Looking forward to the future developments
The windows downloads worked fine , did you use a download manager or as such? Because they do usually corrupt the file when downloaded as IDM and such download enhancers tend to break down the file. We will further investigate as well and update as necessary but the last time we checked everything worked good.
Ubuntu 12.04 is ideal.
Thank you for notifying us of the Android issues you are affected with on your mobile , we will take a look and if needed push out a fix.
Thank you very much for being a part of the NAV movement.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~I have the same issues with the Android app. None of the settings selections work. They give an error and it force closes
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The other Windows downloads are corrupted it tells me. I already have the zips for blockchain and NAV wallet zip, just wasn't sure how to setup to get it to read the blockchain and peers etc. Also for your info Ubuntu 16.04 install didn't work properly, got some errors and warnings. I managed to get the gui open and had 1 peer for like 2 seconds but I had to work around a different way to install that also and don't trust now it is secure or missing files with the warnings etc. I'll firgure it out, just wanted to start staking rather than it sitting on phone wallet (which I keep getting crashes with if I enter the settings menu so you know for bugs. Android 5.1 Chinese MTK phone Rooted), but might just use the electrum lite wallets for now. Looking forward to the future developments
The windows downloads worked fine , did you use a download manager or as such? Because they do usually corrupt the file when downloaded as IDM and such download enhancers tend to break down the file. We will further investigate as well and update as necessary but the last time we checked everything worked good.
Ubuntu 12.04 is ideal.
Thank you for notifying us of the Android issues you are affected with on your mobile , we will take a look and if needed push out a fix.
Thank you very much for being a part of the NAV movement.
Warm Regards,
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Too easy, thanks mate.
No problem buddy. Let us know if anything.
Cheers!
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If someone has the time can you give me a quick run down on how to get the block chain and peers etc files compiled for the windows version of the full desktop wallet. I can't seem to figure it out. I also have Ubuntu I can use if easier and I do usually prefer but can't find a guide.
Once this is done and I deposit NAV I can begin staking, am I right that this is like mining and you get a reward or not really?
Still interested in the raspberry pi 3 staking unit, I have 3 I don't really use and wouldn't mind setting them up. I only have a vague idea of how it all works but pick it up quick if anyone wants to give me some details on this.
Hi thisisanalias,
Please use the windows Installer which will give you the option to download the blockchain as a part of the installation process , this will be faster.
http://www.navcoin.org/files/NavCoin_3.6.0.exe
Mentioned below are the Linux compiling instructions.sudo apt-get install build-essential sudo apt-get install libssl-dev sudo apt-get install libdb++-dev sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev sudo apt-get install libqrencode-dev sudo apt-get install libgmp3-dev git clone https://github.com/navcoindev/navcoin2cd navcoin2/src/secp256k1/ ./autogen.sh ./configure --enable-module-recovery make cd /root/navcoin2/src/ rm -rf obj mkdir obj chmod 777 leveldb/build_detect_platform make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=1 strip navcoind
The Pi wallet is being developed , it will be available soon.
Let us know if you have further queries.
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looks like preparation for pump, most likely waiting for Monday's announcement
last chance to buy below 10k
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So reminiscing the last few days/week at NAV HQ!
It has been a crazy ride so far and coming to another weekend , let me leave this right here.
NAV has built on strong foundations , a great community , a great team that delivers every single time , a team that works around the clock despite time differences.
Let us look at how and what we did the last few days/week.Hi Nav Coiners, Time for the weekly update from the Team. When we last reported I had completed the first cut of the brand new Anonymous Transaction System. This week I have been focusing on refining the first cut of code to make sure everything is accounted for and there are no possible errors. Everything seems to be working great so far and I have sent a bunch of successful transactions over the test net! For anyone wondering how our anonymous system works, I would like to attempt to explain it. We are unlike any other Anon Crypto in the market and we are definitely not just DASH with extra bells and whistles as has been quoted in this thread. Hold on to your hats, this is the definitive answer of how our system works. It's complicated (and long sorry) but its important.. Instead of sending coins directly from Address A to Address B (like a regular Bitcoin), or from Address A through Addresses X,Y,Z to Address B (like a mixer or Dash), our system uses double encryption and a secondary block chain (Nav Subchain) to securely and fully anonymously send transactions through our network. From a user perspective its very easy to use. All you have to do is tick the "Send NAV Anonymously" box and click send. There's no pre-mixing, there's no command line gobbledegook. Just tick the box and press send. When you choose to perform an anonymous send, firstly your wallet asks one of our Anonymous receiving servers via HTTPS for a short lived RSA public key. Address B is then encrypted by your wallet with the public key the receiving server sent. Address B is never broadcast from the Address A's wallet over the network in an unencrypted stated, not even over HTTPS which has been proven to be vulnerable (read: heartbleed). If you understand about RSA Public / Private keypair encryption, it is by nature asymmetric. The public key which we send out can only be used for encrypting. The public key is physically incapable of decrypting data so there's no security issue with broadcasting the public key to Address A's wallet over HTTPS. Only the server which issues the public key is able to decrypt with the private key, which never leaves the server and which are periodically deleted. So after a short period of time, it is literally impossible even for the server which sent the public key to decrypt Address B. Once Address B is securely encrypted by your wallet, the coins are then sent from Address A to a wallet address owned by the Anonymous receiving server which provided the RSA Public Key to your wallet. The encrypted Address B is attached as an extra argument on the Nav Coin block chain transaction itself. There are no sql databases involved, all data storage is happening on the block chain and by the very nature of how block chains work, is decentralised. When the receiving server sees the unspent Nav transaction in its wallet, it decrypts attached Address B with the private key which matches the public key it sent to Address A's wallet, then communicates to one of the Anonymous sending servers to repeat the initial task. It asks the sending server for its own short lived public RSA key which the receiving server then uses to re-encrypt Address B. The receiving server then creates a random amount of randomly valued transactions NOT on the Nav Coin block chain but on the Nav Subchain (which is an entirely separate block chain). These transactions all have a freshly re-encrypted version of Address B attached them and are sent to random addresses owned by the chosen Anonymous sending server. When the sending server sees the unspent Nav Subchain transactions arrive in its wallet, it decrypts attached Address B, adds up the transactions, re-randomizes the number of transactions and transaction values and creates them as real Nav Coin transactions back on the main Nav Coin block chain. These coins are taken from an existing pool of Nav Coin which are stored on the server and are not the original coins sent from Address A. In fact, the Nav which Address A sent are only ever used to replenish the Nav pool on the sending server for future transactions, they are never used in the same transaction chain as what end up in Address B. This is how we explicitly break the link between Address A and Address B on the Nav block chain. Think of the Subchain as a transaction director rather than actually performing transactions itself. Receiving severs use the subchain to instruct the sending server who to send Nav to and how much to send. The reason we use a Subchain as the transaction director between servers is that it maintains all the advantages of a decentralised block chain and none of the risks of relying on a corruptible, hack-able database server or direct (read: intercept-able) communication. If someone were to literally burn our anonymous servers to the ground, as long as there is still a copy of the Nav Coin and Nav Subchain block chains out there somewhere, we can restore their wallet.dat(s) to new servers and they will resume exactly where they left off at the oldest unspent transaction in their wallet. Ahhh, the beauty of block chain technology! I don't miss the horrors of MySQL for one moment! I've drawn this diagram as a (over) simplified way to visualise what I am talking about:  The important points to remember are that the sent Nav and the received Nav can not be transactionally linked on the same block chain. Any information that is transmitted along the subchain is randomized and re-encrypted so it can not positively identified as connected to the original transaction on the Nav block chain. All encryption keys are only used for a short period of time and then deleted, making all expired transaction records impossible to decrypt. I know this is confusing as hell if you're not a tech-wizard, Sophia and Mark are working on a layman's translation of this information for a press release as we speak. For those who weren't around for the last iteration of the Anon system, here is what an anonymous transaction looks like in the transaction history:  You can see at 28/08/2016 20:22 I send 100 NAV to address NegpeVty... (an anonymous receiving address) and then at 28/08/2016 22:13 I received 7 transactions of various amounts which total to ~99.4 NAV (100 - 0.5% anon processing fee - regular transaction fees). If I open the transaction details of the sent 100 NAV you can see the encrypted Address B (which in this case was my own address) attached here to the block chain transaction as 'anon-destination':  You will notice these sent to and receiving transactions are nearly 2 hours apart, this is only because I am running the Anon network in test mode where I am manually inspecting and running the scripts while I debug and refine the code. In reality it would be a maximum of around 5 minutes between Address A sending and Address B receiving. In regards to my progress, you can see here I have successfully sent and received transactions through the new Anonymous network. I am finishing my refinements this week and myself and Shahim will begin to deploy and test this on the live network next week. Once we are happy the live network is operating without a hitch we will open it to the public for use. We have not set an official launch date yet as we do not have crystal balls to predict what problems may arise when we begin live testing. We will keep you all posted with our progress and attempt to release the live network as soon as is practical and safe. Once the new anon scripts are live, I think that will jump us to approximately 80% complete on the decentralisation project progress. I will immediately continue to work on that with the intention of getting that released as soon as possible. Hopefully you can see that the nature of the technology is very complex in itself and when you combine attempting to safely decentralise the system, it becomes exponentially more difficult. However, I believe that I am very close to a working solution for decentralisation and am confident that I can get it out there within a reasonable timeframe. In the mean time, Soopy has been working on a fix for some of the syncing issues users have been reporting on the desktop wallet as well as investigating the compiling issues of the OSX wallet. Soopy and Shahim have been testing the thin desktop client which we also hope to release soon. Sophia, Mark and Strugg have been working hard on our marketing strategy, preparing press releases and marketing materials for our upcoming feature releases (thin client, mac wallet, anon-relaunch and decentralisation). Everyone is working hard to pull this all together and we are glad to have you all along for the ride as supporters, investors and friends. Till next week, please keep the questions coming and we will endeavour to answer them all. Talk soon, Craig. The Bitcoingarden article is finally up! http://bitcoingarden.tk/nav-coin-attains-dedicated-tor-nodesNav Coin attains dedicated Tor Nodes Nav Coin has announced its users now have access to dedicated TOR Nodes that extend the capabilities of its anonymous network. The cryptocurrency who pride themselves on the anonymity of their network has built an active community of users. A user and member of bitcointalk.org known as BitcoinFX cre... Read More
http://www.coindesk.com/press-releases/nav-coin-updates-anonymous-network/
https://twitter.com/NAVCoin/status/772865215394349056Nav Coin Updates Anonymous Network Cryptocurrency innovators Nav Coin have announced the upcoming relaunch of their anonymous network. The relaunch comes with updated security features and improved scalability. Nav Coin differs from other anonymous cryptocurrencies on the market through their unique implementation of a secondary blockchain they call a ‘subchain.’ http://www.navcoin.org/news/articles/post/nav-coin-updates-anonymous-network Great work Mark & Sophia This will be plastered all over the web in the coming days!
Hi Nav Coiners, It's time for the Nav Coin weekly update and this week I come bearing two amazing pieces of news for you all! Nav Coin Thin Clients for Windows and OSXWe are very pleased to announce that we have finished the first release of our range of Thin Clients for desktop! These allow you to store and send NAV without having to download the entire block chain yourself. They work using the same electrum server technology that the mobile wallet uses which means they're instantly on and ready to go all the time. Grab your new thin client from the downloads page: http://www.navcoin.org/downloadsFor more information, please head over to our news page and read the great press release Sophia has written up for us: http://www.navcoin.org/news/articles/post/nav-coins-new-lite-walletThere are two types of wallet available for Windows and OSX. We have built an Installer for each which will set the application up into your program files or applications directory. Then we have also built a portable version which you don't need to install and could even run from a USB drive if you wanted to. This marks the first official OSX wallet we have for Nav Coin. We are working hard to bring also the full node OSX wallet live in the coming days. Please note that the OSX wallet has a couple of bugs, the preferences wont open and QR code scanning is unavailable. These are bugs within the electrum base code and we are waiting on them to provide a fix for these issues at which point we will update our wallet also. Anonymous Transaction Test Network is LiveThe second big piece of news is that we have successfully deployed the new anon scripts to the live environment and sent our first anonymous transactions using the live system! This week the system will be undergoing stress tests and other QA measures to make sure that when we release it to the public it is robust and functions flawlessly. Depending on what comes from the stress testing, we are hoping to re-launch the anon system as early as next week. We will keep you updated on this progress as more information becomes available to us. The wallet is all configured to use the new system. It has some exciting new tweaks which I will detail in full in my forthcoming whitepaper or at the latest in our release notes for the client when we launch the system. If you want to have a look at the new wallet code, you can see it on this branch here: https://github.com/navcoindev/navcoin2/commits/anon-testOur progress has been reflected in our projects page with the Thin Client project moving to the completed section and the decentralisation implementation percentage being bumped up to 70%! We have also been making progress with the Web Wallet which is now at 95%, we hope to get this finished and out to the public in the coming days. http://www.navcoin.org/projectsIt's very exciting times here at Nav Coin HQ, we are super proud of what we have achieved this week, but we are also showing no signs of slowing down! This weeks focus is the OSX full node wallet, the web wallet and stress testing the Anon Network. We have a lot great features in the lab and with decentralisation just around the corner, we are in such a good place right now and the future is bright. Talk Soon, Craig. 
Full Node Wallet for OSXDear Nav Coiners, This week, we are breaking from the usual format of having one weekly update to bring you this special announcement. We have successfully compiled the full node wallet for Mac OSX and it is available for download now! Big shout out to Soopy for getting this compiled and bundled correctly! We have two options available, the zip file contains the NavCoin-qt executable which you can run directly, or the dmg file which you can open and drag to your Applications folder. To get your OSX full node client, please visit our downloads page: http://www.navcoin.org/downloadsThis wallet will operate the same as the Windows and Linux Full Node Wallets and will store the whole blockchain as well as participate in PoS mining. To compliment this addition to our eco system of wallets, I have also created a setup guides page on the website under the tools menu: http://www.navcoin.org/guidesHere you can find comprehensive setup guides for all the full node clients: http://www.navcoin.org/guides#NavCoinFullNodeand also for the Tor configuration for the full node clients: http://www.navcoin.org/guides#NavCoinTorNetworkWe will be adding to this list of guides in the coming weeks when we release the anon system to the public as this will require some small amount of configuration also. We hope you like the new wallet and that OSX we are very pleased to finally offer a full node solution for OSX users which compliments the recent release of our Thin Client for OSX. See you at the Monday Update! Talk Soon, Craig We will never fail to surprise you and huge things ahead. 
We as always are as stable as we are and here to stay.
Thank you all for your undiminished support and undisputed faith. Respect!
I couldn't ask for a more wonderful team as NAV team is , I wouldn't want to be anywhere else but here.
Hold on tight , because the ride just started.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~
Core Developer - NavCoin
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What is with the ANON Network. You would release last Weekend and at the latest time this Week.
I see no Information. Some Problems with the second Blockchain?
Hi Weilichesbin,
ANON network technology is already released and active. Its implemented in the current wallet. Which what is being updated.
The upgrade to it is what is being currently going on , it will allow users to be a part of entire process of ANON be given concessions for providing and setting up nodes.
Please refer this post.
Anonymous Transaction Test Network Live.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=679791.msg16213937#msg16213937
It will be released to the public in the very near future.
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Full Node Wallet for OSXDear Nav Coiners, This week, we are breaking from the usual format of having one weekly update to bring you this special announcement. We have successfully compiled the full node wallet for Mac OSX and it is available for download now! Big shout out to Soopy for getting this compiled and bundled correctly! We have two options available, the zip file contains the NavCoin-qt executable which you can run directly, or the dmg file which you can open and drag to your Applications folder. To get your OSX full node client, please visit our downloads page: http://www.navcoin.org/downloadsThis wallet will operate the same as the Windows and Linux Full Node Wallets and will store the whole blockchain as well as participate in PoS mining. To compliment this addition to our eco system of wallets, I have also created a setup guides page on the website under the tools menu: http://www.navcoin.org/guidesHere you can find comprehensive setup guides for all the full node clients: http://www.navcoin.org/guides#NavCoinFullNodeand also for the Tor configuration for the full node clients: http://www.navcoin.org/guides#NavCoinTorNetworkWe will be adding to this list of guides in the coming weeks when we release the anon system to the public as this will require some small amount of configuration also. We hope you like the new wallet and that OSX we are very pleased to finally offer a full node solution for OSX users which compliments the recent release of our Thin Client for OSX. See you at the Monday Update! Talk Soon, Craig As promised and most awaited.
Enjoy guys.
Thank you Pakage , you are too kind. As always a team effort it was , well done Pakage , Shahim , Strugg , Sophia , Mark.
Proud to be working with the best team in the world.
Cheers!
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Hi Nav Coiners, It's time for the Nav Coin weekly update and this week I come bearing two amazing pieces of news for you all! Nav Coin Thin Clients for Windows and OSXWe are very pleased to announce that we have finished the first release of our range of Thin Clients for desktop! These allow you to store and send NAV without having to download the entire block chain yourself. They work using the same electrum server technology that the mobile wallet uses which means they're instantly on and ready to go all the time. Grab your new thin client from the downloads page: http://www.navcoin.org/downloadsFor more information, please head over to our news page and read the great press release Sophia has written up for us: http://www.navcoin.org/news/articles/post/nav-coins-new-lite-walletThere are two types of wallet available for Windows and OSX. We have built an Installer for each which will set the application up into your program files or applications directory. Then we have also built a portable version which you don't need to install and could even run from a USB drive if you wanted to. This marks the first official OSX wallet we have for Nav Coin. We are working hard to bring also the full node OSX wallet live in the coming days. Please note that the OSX wallet has a couple of bugs, the preferences wont open and QR code scanning is unavailable. These are bugs within the electrum base code and we are waiting on them to provide a fix for these issues at which point we will update our wallet also. Anonymous Transaction Test Network is LiveThe second big piece of news is that we have successfully deployed the new anon scripts to the live environment and sent our first anonymous transactions using the live system! This week the system will be undergoing stress tests and other QA measures to make sure that when we release it to the public it is robust and functions flawlessly. Depending on what comes from the stress testing, we are hoping to re-launch the anon system as early as next week. We will keep you updated on this progress as more information becomes available to us. The wallet is all configured to use the new system. It has some exciting new tweaks which I will detail in full in my forthcoming whitepaper or at the latest in our release notes for the client when we launch the system. If you want to have a look at the new wallet code, you can see it on this branch here: https://github.com/navcoindev/navcoin2/commits/anon-testOur progress has been reflected in our projects page with the Thin Client project moving to the completed section and the decentralisation implementation percentage being bumped up to 70%! We have also been making progress with the Web Wallet which is now at 95%, we hope to get this finished and out to the public in the coming days. http://www.navcoin.org/projectsIt's very exciting times here at Nav Coin HQ, we are super proud of what we have achieved this week, but we are also showing no signs of slowing down! This weeks focus is the OSX full node wallet, the web wallet and stress testing the Anon Network. We have a lot great features in the lab and with decentralisation just around the corner, we are in such a good place right now and the future is bright. Talk Soon, Craig.
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We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.
The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ? Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ? NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins. I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting
Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.
NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.
Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.
1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.
2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.
Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~Hello soopy, I really tried in good faith. But it seems you people try to avoid a clear explanations how your system will work. I read your "whitepaper" which is a graphical illustration at best (it looked like someone watched to much stargate the series). We neither see code, maths or talking about possible attack vectors etc. Pp. I will just wait for your new "whitepaper" or a clear explaination until then i would say be careful to not be a future bagholder. Also what is this claim about a fast/instamine? Hello criptix, in all respect, but what do you expect to get? As already anounced by pakage we are going to bring all this open source soon. He is bringing weekly updates about his progress and also giving more and more technical details on his posts. The "old" whitepaper is quite detailed about the processing of the anon transaction in comparision to a normal transaction. As you perhaps understand we won't give code or something to public until it is under open source license. As you said, you have to wait to the new whitepaper. regards shahim Look shahim, i dont really want to talk you people bad but your actual whitepaper is not good at all. It is really more or less only a graphical illustration which doesnt say much. For example look at the zcash whitepaper here and their coin is also not released yet: http://zerocash-project.org/paperBut like i said i will wait for your new whitepaper. Please surprise me. Hi Criptix, Indeed your intentions might be of the same and so are ours in explaining to you the same over and over again with no avoidance , please have some respect for that.
As for your criticism , please take into account that we did not just come out of the blue nor , NAV ANON came out yesterday , its been there for the last year or more. However much we respect people's opinions , we expect the same respect when it comes to what we do. And I don't see either.
The new whitepaper is something that we are presenting regards to the upgrading of ANON and where everyone can take part of it and gain.
As per your assumption of what a whitepaper should , it is as always subjective and objective specific , therefore it can sometimes be as simple as anyone can understand or as complex as no one can understand.
We've done our best to keep it to what it is , so that people actually know what they are working with. A whitepaper is more or less useless if you and I can't agree to disagree on anything.
NAV ANON is what NAV ANON is and if you are trying to compare that to something that you have seen elsewhere then I'm sorry but you haven't see what it actually is or its uniqueness.
There's nothing that's worth if its not practical , however much whitepapers one writes , if the tech doesn't work its not worth it , when it comes to NAV we've focused on the practicality and to an actual point where people can experience Anonymity hands on. This is what we look forward to.
Ofcourse we always tend towards keeping everyone informed on the work plans and theoretical aspects of them same.
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Awww Dranster , we have no control over markets my love. 
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~
PS: For your lovely information , there was never a premine for NavCoin. #talkwithfacts.
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Subchain is what makes NAV , NAV mate. And what it does unique , its an extra layer of security that helps keep transaction information further anonymous and un-linked , it serves its own purpose which is why it does what it does. Nothing on the Anonymous platform is purposeless.
Hope I was able to further address your issues.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~
Well, thank you very much for your effort to explain it. But I still didn't get the answer I was looking for. Of course the subchain is what makes NAV NAV. And I know it is unique to NAV. And I know it was added with the purpose of an extra level of security. What I am questioning is whether it does indeed add an extra level of security. I challenged it by questioning whether if the encryption is removed, the subchain does add an extra level of security. If I send 9.345 NAV to the subchain in a nonencrypted way, and a few seconds later the subchain sends 9.345 NAV to receiver B in a nonencrypted way ... it is obvious who sent that amount to the receiver. The only thing I can come up with ... if I send anonymous from A to B without a subchain, then maybe the traffic can be linked from A to B, but nobody knows how much money is transferred between both. When you send it to a subchain, money comes in and out the subchain so you can't follow the traffic anymore. The only thing you can do is base yourself on timestamps. But if the coin is used a lot, then it is impossible to trace back. But OK. Pakage just told me he will explain it in his whitepaper. Maybe then it will be more clear to me what benefit the subchain adds to the anonimity process. Sorry for asking so many questions. I don't want to be a pain in the ass. I am just trying to understand how things work out of pure intrest. And as I have not much knowledge about cryptography, I need to ask some detailed questions if I truely want to understand stuff.
Haha its alright mate , please do ask whatever you feel that you want to clear out with regards to how NAV works and the process.
Let me ask you a counter question , because I believe it will give you further insight on how NAV works.
Have you used the NAV ANON yet , as in have you sent or received any transaction using it? If you did I'm sure all your doubts would vanish.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~
PS: I'm happy people ask questions on things that they would like to further understand and I love to answer them. |
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Dear Diago,
Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.
NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.
Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.
1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.
2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.
Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~
Thanks for the explanation. But my problem stays the same. I do see that the encryption guarantees anonimity. What I do not see is why you need a subchain. If you remove the encryption and work with subchain, then probably you can't do an anonymous transaction. If you do encrypt and remove the subchain, then you will probably still be able to make an anonymous transaction. So actually I don't understand the purpose of the subchain. It sounds cool but at the moment I miss its purpose. Probably there is a good purpose but I don't manage to find it myself
Hope I was able to further address your issues.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~ |
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We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.
The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ? Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ? NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins. I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting
Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.
NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.
Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.
1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.
2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.
Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~Hello, Can you please explain what channeling means, how it works and why it is untraceable? I still didnt get you pm shahim!
Channeling is the process directing a transaction towards the subchain and out from it.
It is untraceable for two reasons.
1 - Transaction information is encrypted within the main chain , as well as the subchain.
2 - Transaction destination outputs are random and clustered.
Please do go through the following post by Pakage for further information.
We've been here for the last 2 Years and ANON itself is quite old since last March , last year , there's plenty of information about it all over. Whitepapers etc as well as number of tests on it.
Please be kind enough to go through our OP as well.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~ |
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We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.
The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ? Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ? NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins. I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting
Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.
NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.
Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.
1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.
2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.
Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~ |
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Some dude posted this at Polo, any answers?
"NAV uses double encryption scheme, which means you have to trust the people who set the scheme up, a common problem for anonymous decentral systems"
Dear Myriadforce,
Please be kind to go through our white paper and implemented protocols as well as do use it and feel how it works , as answering your question NAV uses 2 methods of encryption , one being end to end encryption of the transaction information as well as blockchain level cryptographic functions and encryption , transaction information encrypted is protected by individual keys and are not a scheme set up by or controlled by a single party therefore is decentralized.
Please do let us know if you would need further clarifications.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~ |
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Need invite to NAV Slack - any link?
Hi Myriad Force,
A member from community relations team will contact you soon.
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~ |
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