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I guess the reason THAT POST was removed because I posted it to the bosses of innosilicion, and they disputed the claim.
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I have a tracking number, so *something* is being sent to me, for what it's worth.
Yes, CK. There were two systems sent out. One is for you, and one is for me. |
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If you check the news http://bitmine.ch/?page_id=863, you should know bitmine is just in co-operation with some Chinese company. They just bought the chip from the Chinese company and name it as "Coincraft A1" chip. The Chinese company can also sell the A1 chip. They can call it any name they want like "ABC A1" chip. So the question comes: Does the "Coincraft A1" chip means "A1" chip？I don't think so. This is something like Mcdonalds can make their hamburger and KFC can make their own too. We do NOT buy chips from bitmine and have no business with them. From that link: Designed from scratch, Bitmine’s Coincraft A1 is a third generation Bitcoin Mining IC developed by Bitmine in co-operation with a team of expert engineers from Innosilicon.
Doesn't say bitmine bought the chip from a Chinese company. I'm assuming that the R&D funds came from bitmine and it's customers and that Innosilicon was contracted by bitmine for R&D, ergo, bitmine retains IP rights of the A1 chip. Unless the use of the A1 chip in these Chinese 28nm miners has been authorised by bitmine, what we're seeing here is corporate theft and entities being in possession of or receiving these miners, liable for a criminal offence. Precisely, we are the owner of the IP inside the A1 chip and the major contributor to the know-how of the inner workings that led to its development. We are aware of things like the one happening here and we even made a press release news concerning this matter: http://bitmine.ch/?p=5178Whoever purchases these does that on its own risk and may be liable in its own country since we hold IP on that. Yes, that's China. Giorgio，please clarify in legal term: Does Innosilicon have right to sell the chips or not? |
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Why same Ajie' system you sell in China in about 17800RMB, but in US $5000(30000RMB)?
Why foreigners have to pay double price? LOL.
Because someone WILL take your money but having machine mining for one month before dumping 2nd hand to you.
No NEW system, no POST SALES, very cheap parts, and if you are lucky, it is still run but if you are NOT, on you own.
Don't spend $5000 to buy a second hand system.
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Is there anyone other than bobsag3 that has verified the existence of these devices ?
I'm very interested in acquiring one, have been speaking with seeksilence in PM's to order one, but my gut is telling me to exercise restraint for the time being and not buy one before more members verify these things; I don't want to be a Guinea Pig and take the risk right now - Have been burned too many times in the past.
Where are you in States? I already have a system sent out to me and it will arrive within days. But I am in SF, CA. |
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1. The chips out of Foundry at last Dec. 28, and our sample system came out at Jan, 5.
2. Around Jan 23, we started first batch of the sample systems (totally 70) manufacturing and before Chinese New Year, 60 of them went up online.
3. Our first order is 1300 systems, so we were not daring to do mass production BEFORE the stability test finish. Otherwise if any defect on the PCB boards, then you have to dump a large amount to PCBs (that was what Bitmine did).
4. After things proved to be right and long Chinese New Year holiday was over, we started the big production.
5. During this time, some guys were able to get our original designs ( this is China, LOL), and begun producing their sample units.
6. So since our current production were already paid for, so the next available units will come around March 15/25 time frame.
7. Even thought Bob contacted with me first, but apparently someone tricked him into what he believed the system were from us.
8 .Those systems were sample units made by copycats and NOT from us. Period.
9. Friendly advise: Bob, DO NOT attempt to over clock, you will burn the chips.
10. We will give a production presentation in next Weds. day (Shanghai time), and one thing is for sure, those sample units you received never went longer period of testing. Neither some parts on their board are up to the standards you like to see, so I have to say "Good luck".
11. If you are lucky enough by chance and those parts turn out ok, the max you can go probably around 1T. But the max our system can go is around 1.3T.
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Why do you speak in riddles and or stories. This is not Family Feud where we just have to guess the top 10 answers for your company.
You have no 1TH in the public according to your post. You said it yourself there are no demo units shipped yet.
So here is a clue:
1. If you consider your datacenter as public then you guys are behind KNC running 6 Modules per controller in their datacenter, Hashfast and plenty of others.
2. You run 4 boards per box so nothing to revolutionary on design.
3. You blatantly have posted pictures with boards that have the A1 logo on the chips.
4. You speak in riddles
5. Nobody cares about your Hollywood story esp if they are buying 15-20k in miners. Sadly even the huge scams have at least some info.
6. There are no secret ninjas that can look at your PCB and steal the design by just a picture.
I was very interested in becoming a reseller but no information other than cost and bank wire come out!
Just food for thought...
Buddy, take easy! Drop me a mail and let's discuss in private. |
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As guys here suggested, we are contacting ckolivas now, and if it is success, we will have someone fly to Australia with our system.
Meanwhile we send out sample units to USA and Europe now. I will try to get hold with Luke Jr for his professional opionion. Anyone knows how to contact with Kano?
Thanks.
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I will have one of these units later today, will crack her open and see whats inside.
Bobsag3, that one is not from me but a copycat who brought sample chips. He bascially somehow get some info of my early design that has a main defect in it. |
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When ready would be intrested what chips are in these miners.
Let's talk a story, as in Hollywood movies and this story is all fiction and but based on true fact. LOL. So it is just a story and people should not link their names with it. At Wonderland, there is a guy named Good Digger who wish to have a powerful tool, so he can have a go on Gold Mountain. But he has no ability to make the core for this magic tool to work. So he looks around, far and away, in a place there is someone who actually have the ability to help him out. So with hard cash on the hand, he found this guy named Good Maker to work out a deal. So he paid up front for some development costs and also for some portions of making the tool. As return, Good Digger will get his portion of finish product and of course Good Maker has the right on the tool and also keep a bigger portion of the magic stuff. Of course, for Good Digger, he got some wonderful stuff and he can use them to make his powerful system. As a good marketing talker, he can also bloating around the miners community to show off his "invention". But for Good Maker as a great skilled but low-profiled guy, he wants to make sure he really did a great job. So he found his good friend the Good Worker to help up, by designing a cool system as proof to test his core is indeed a great one. Then the design is come out very quick and successful. They put together 60 systems and let them to run a longer test. At this point, Good Worker as a new comer to the community decide to let their design to go public, and at same time helping Good Maker to sell their great stuff. So end of story. 1. Do you think Good Maker's own mining core is "owned" by Good Digger? The agreement pointed out both guys can named their stuff and can digging themselves or resell their systems. 2. Do you think Good Worker have Good Digger's core? Even both of them are coming from same design? So if Good Digger named their core with brand-name "My Magic", then of course, stuff from other sources are NOT "My Magic". |
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good point, KyrosKrane. We only focused on the fact not the bad mouth. I hope the miners companies could should more valid proof here, instead of only promises. I appreciate the fact that JT miner showing their real testing rigs running in a pool. I think this is valid proof that they have real rigs, and the stability and power consumption won't lie. We should encourage more companies to come out here doing the same things. I personally won't pay a penny until I saw the real running rigs showing me the promising results.
On this, I disagree. A link to pool stats is meaningless. They could have just about anything generating those terahashes on the back end. Even worse, assuming they really are real and functioning miners, then the pool stats are proof that they're pre-mining with the machines until they're worthless, at which point they will deliver them. Not encouraging. Real proof would be a video of the mining rig running, hooked up to a PC (or whatever) and very clearly isolated from other machines. Real proof would be honest communication about what chips are powering the machine, how many per board, how to hook it up, what power requirements are, and so on, alongside the video. Real proof would be sending the machines to a few different trusted board members (I'd suggest ckolivas, Kano, and Luke-jr as they're the primary developers of mining software, plus a couple of hero-level members with good trust levels and plenty of trade history) for them to run, evaluate, and post photos and videos. This is a suspicious community, and with good reason -- there are plenty of new scams every day, and most of them start out a lot like this post does. When proof of a working product is provided, the community almost literally throws money at these legit firms. Sadly, the less experienced will also throw money at the scammers, resulting in many fleeced newbies. As a community, we're hard on unproven companies in part to protect the newbies, and in part to protect ourselves. But prove yourself to be a valuable contributor, and you will be welcomed with oodles of cash and coin. Great post. And please be a little patient and wait for us to catch up with all those requirements. |
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so you have stolen the chips with them and built the miners?
not serious man
1. Anyone needs to pay 15 BTCs to bad mouth Bitmine? Seriously. 2. The CoinCraft chip that Bitmine claimed are NOT their products. They buought form a Chinese chip company. |
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This guy is very active on any BTC related QQ groups to bad mouth everyone.
He claimed that he lives in US (Silicon Valley). He also claimed that he will write a report to WSJ, and in turn that report will crash BTC altogether.
With his English. LOL.
Looks like a Chinese local promotor or MaxCoin guy.
He claimed that "1T miner will NEVER hit 4 BTC within 3 months". Then we showed him from Feb., 2, our 60T hits more than 240 BTCs now.
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Guys, ignore that guy named OsWin.
He is one sent out by MaxCoin people, and his main duty is to badmouth BTC and whatever related BTC.
The main message is that BTC is going to collapse and MaxCoin will take over.
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at this point, anything > 4000 dollars/T is too expensive unless bitcoin price goes up a lot.
I totally agree. At current price, for us, it is better mining ourselves. But since those systems are for next month, and I think the price of BTC may come up. |
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Skyfromwell,
Why not price is so we can profit with it? Look at antminer, selling out every batch. What's more profitable, selling 2000 units for $3k or a few hundred for 6k? Think about it!
I understand but profit margin is thin so I have to really think what is best for us and for miners. 3k is not going to cover for costs, we do consider something in $5.5K range. |
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With quantity, price of course can go down.
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Update some new info.
Rather busy with all productions.
1. A large amount of chips are on hand. Everybody knows if you cannot secure the chips ...
2 Boards are in good shape.
By the way, extra 28nm chips I can resale.
Can you post some board pictures ? Are gerbers open-source or copyrighted ? We have copyright but we can license to partner. |
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