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Can you provide an acceptable inspection certificate for import into Japan?
I had not seriously thought of sending overseas. I am not sure of the legal requirements, not to mention shipping costs. Do you seriously think that there would be interest in Japan? |
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I look to be ordering from you in the (somewhat) near future. Did you ever get a website up or is contact still via email?
we have a website that we are still adding to but you can check it out: www.andelinlivestock.com. Will be posting a pricing list and shipping information by 09:00 April 7. I am taking a nice steer to be processed on April 7. Meat will be ready for shipping about April 23. I have a group of steers ready over the next few months and have several scheduled in April, May and June. If you know generally what type of cuts you might want it might help me to know ahead of time. Thanks Paul Andelin |
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After I posted that the package arrived we put it in the fridge and I went back to work. Later that evening I opened up the T-bone and Rib Eye steaks, and they looked and smelled fine. I figured they had recently thawed out and were ready to go. (We did throw out the ground beef). 15 year old son tried a new steak sauce. Equal amounts of red cooking wine and honey, lots of freshly ground pepper, and several crushed garlic cloves. He served it with steamed vegetables (broccoli, bell pepper, onions, and mushrooms) with a honey wine vinegar drizzled over it. Also some wheat bread just out of the oven with lots of honey.  Turned out a very good meal. The meat was fine, glad we didn't toss it out! There were two of each type of steak, thick slices, and it fed 6 people. If I had not bought a 1/2 a cow (with bitcoins  ) a week before this thread was created, and didn't have a friend locally who I buy from, I would consider buying from andelin before purchasing from the grocery store. Figuring out how to ship a perishable item is a tricky thing and I consider the problems of this first run not to be an issue. I think everyone can order from andelin without worrying about it being a scam. We meant to take some pictures, but we were pretty hungry and it smelled really good once it was cooked...and we forgot to grab the camera. No need to send a replacement shipment to us. Thanks for sharing. thankks for being willing to try a sample. I imagine you do alot of shipping. Any thoughts on UPS anf Fed ex? I am realizing that I need dependable delivery times when I am dealing with shipping something perishable. |
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OK - thank you sir.
I am realizing USPS is not going to be dependable enough. I am investigating Fed ex and UPS. Anyone have any useful experience with either? |
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Ya the post office sucks. They lost a package of mine a few months ago. Completely lost it and didn't know where it was even though it had tracking. Two weeks ago they mishandled another package and the goods was damaged. I filed a claim and they haven't even reviewed the claim yet. It will probably be a two month ordeal. If this would have arrived in the 2 days they advertise the ice probably would not have melted. I unwrapped the steak and took a good look at it. The meat is thick and looks like a good cut of meat. Half of it was nice and red but the other half was dark and starting to go bad. I decided to cut away the dark part and fry up the rest. It was tender and juicy but after a few bites i did notice a particular taste. Unless you are brave i dont recommend people eat it if its not frozen. I would definitely appreciate another try, but i know there is cost involved for you so unless you really want to dont worry about it. I know shit happens. I wish you the best and hope you have good luck with the BTC community. People around here like to buy all kinds of things so if you can perfect the shipping you should be fine.
I would love to send another sample ....this time I will use a different carrier ande get it right. I will pm you in the next few days. |
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OK i got my free samples today. I would like to start this off by saying thank you. Your generosity is truly appreciated.
You asked me to do an honest review and provide tips and feedback so here we go. You shipped this USPS priority on March 25. It was suppose to arrive March 27. It was delivered March 29. There was no dry ice left in the cooler. The meat was not frozen or even cold. Blood and fluids was leaking out of the cooler and all over the box. The postman usually says hi, good morning, or i have a package for you. When he handing me this package he said "here" with an unhappy tone. With blood all over the box i dont blame him for not wanting to handle it.
This is what i suggest to help make delivery a little smoother for you. The post office is the worst carrier. They handle the most mail so lost damaged or late packages is common. If they would have delivered on the 27th instead of the 29th this may not have happened. I recommend using UPS or Fedex 2nd day. If you do use the post office ship next day cause its guaranteed next day and it comes with $100 insurance in case the meat does not arrive in good condition. Only ship monday or tuesday if not shipping next day cause Fedex and UPS will not delivery on saturday unless you pay extra. If this was not delivered today (saturday) it would have delivered monday and it would have been an even bigger mess. Try to ship as early as possible so your package ships with the current days packages instead of sitting around and going out with the next days packages. I also recommend you work on your packing. Im not sure why there was news paper in the cooler, but plastic wrap and paper is not a good idea. I suggest zipper bags so the fluids dont leak all over.
I like the idea of buying meat straight from the farm with BTC. But since this is a perishable product its not going to be easy. I have a feeling even if you do everything right there will still be complications which turns in to unhappy customers and financial loss for you. It can be done successfully but it will be very challenging. I dont recommend you do large orders until you have fulfilled alot of orders without problems.
Thank you for your honest input. I am realizing USPS may not work out. Thanks again. When I get all these issues solved, if you would like, I will send another sample. |
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Every time I read this I feel terrible that I liveon the other side of the world. I love good meat, and this just looks awesome. You are goign to have a very big amount of costumers, I wish you the best in the bitcoin/meat business  . thank you for your kind wishes |
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I thank all of you who have been so supportive as we have tried to get this off the ground. I will post beef and shipping prices and payment options Monday April 7. I will be ready to ship on or before April 30. Thanks again.
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I am working on a pricing schedule.Does anyone have input regarding:
1:most desired/popular cuts?
2: interest in discounts for larger orders
3: interest in discounts for a medley type order with a combination of steaks, roasts, hamburger
4: interest in custom cuts , this could be arranged through the packing company I am using
I hope to be open for "pre orders" in a week or two. I appreciate those who have so far expressed interest.
I am looking into using an escrow company, as has been suggested on this thread, at least until my reputation is established.
thanks for the many helpful suggestions thus far. I am interested in any further interest. \
Thanks again
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I raise pasture fed angus beef in Missouri. To buy with bitcoins directly from the farm, e mail me at andelinpaul@hotmail.com. I am working on a website. I think this is a quality product. I am in the same state (STL). We sometimes make our own beef jerky. Can you provide me with bottom round at a better price than costco/samsclub can offer? Also is this some sketchy-at-home-operation or do you have a proper butcherhouse? I use Lockwood Packing at Lockwood Missouri. The meat is USDA inspected. I have been pleased with their services so far. The butcher will do custom cuts to order. I have been getting a variety of steaks, roasts and ground beef. I think that the quality has been quite good. Depending on the quantity you want,and if you give me enough notice, we can do custom cuts that you want. I am working on a price schedule now, but I think that the price will be very competitive for similar quality beef. You will likely get a significant saving if you order a side of beef or one quarter of a beef. We should have a website up soon with more details. |
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so what is the price range
Right now I am planning to only offer to sell my best beef direct. I hope to offer something that is uniformly of very high quality. If I think an animal does not measure up, then he gets sold by the conventional route at the local stockyards. |
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so what is the price range
I am working on pricing now.I will post something in a couple of days. But generally I am looking at about 5.00 per lb for hamburger, 8.00 per lb for roasts and 13.00 per lb for steaks (depending on cuts of course). Shipping will be additional cost . I am hoping to offer significant discount for orders over ten lb. |
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Shiping to croatia?
That would be cool....but might be kind of difficult! |
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Hello,
Are you shipping to Bulgaria? If so i would be interested.
BR,
Gondel
Wish I could! |
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my meat didnt come yet  Wow, so sorry the meat did not arrive. I can see that I have some homework to do. I am determined to get this shipping issue right. Again, my apologies.. |
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Just got home from work and the package wasn't here.  Is there a tracking number? Hopefully the ice lasts... I hope the ice lasts too!! I do have a tracking number but , unfortunately I am at work all night and I do not have the tracking number with me. I can get it to you tomorrow. Hopefully the package will arrive tomorrow and the tracking number will be irrelevant. I am going to do some homework and be certain to put enough dry ice in next time. Thanks for your patience as I am getting this off of the ground. |
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i hope u put more ice in mine since it is coming to hawaii
I did put more dry ice in yours but if it comes thawed I apologize in advance and will make sure that I do not repeat this mistake. thanks, PA |
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Hi:
I just got a message that my first shipment of beef was thawed out on arrival. I must not have used enough dry ice. Any of you who received a non usable sample I am glad to ship again with more dry ice. I apologize if anyone else gets a thawed sample. I will be glad to ship another sample with more dry ice. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience.
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I don't think people are being solicited for their trust at this stage... they're being solicited for whether or not they think this would be a good business... i.e. would people be willing to buy beef, direct from the farmer, via Bitcoin. For me, the answer is yes, and it costs me nothing to provide that.
Anyone's first business venture in the Bitcoin arena will face the trust issue, because, yes indeed there are scammers out there. I'd like to think that a majority of us who go through the work of setting up a business, providing details about what we offer, making some introductory deals to get sales going, etc... can get our feet in the door, get some customer feedback that establishes some trust, etc... If every new Bitcoin business venture is greeted with "scammer, gtfo" then that's going to hobble this currency's growth and ensure we stick with middlemen like Paypal and shit. Boo. Escrow can solve this problem, and we already have facilities for that, so I don't see the need to go into defense / attack mode, especially when no trust has been asked for yet.
The next big thing for Bitcoin will be a useful (and usable) web of trust system that's as easy to work with as eBay feedback. Something decentralized, peer-to-peer, etc... will allow for that, and it'll cost nothing. I'm surprised it doesn't exist yet, but it will soon.
1. Agreed with your statements 2. bitcoin-otc 3. I'm rootin for this guy. Can't say he's gonna have the widest audience, but I can damn well say he's probably the first guy selling beef to accept bitcoin. Hope he can work out any kinks, gain trust, streamline, and automate the process to generate a shit ton of income. Thanks for the encouragement. I shipped out several samples today. I am hoping for some favorable reviews in a few days. I encourage any evaluation of my product to be honest and candid. I shipped in insulated containers with small amounts of dry ice. My more technologically gifted sons are working on a website which should be up in a couple of weeks...at least an initial version. One of the real challenges is to anticipate the demand. I have to schedule butchering. That takes time since the meat is aged 2 weeks or so before cutting . I am also looking into the optimal shipping options. |
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Well, that's a good idea to buy beef with btc!)) If you can sent some sample steaks to me I would be glad)
If you want to private message me I will ship a free sample. I will pay shipping costs. I would appreciate your honest appraisal as to the quality of what I am marketing and I am open to suggestions as well. This will help me do my market research. I hope to be prepared to accept orders with 4 to 6 weeks. Thanks for your interest. |
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