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This issue was opened by the OP on: August 29, 2018, 03:47:50 PM We / I have been waiting to answer to any official request since then..... Keep waiting... |
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Most likely,because the provided documents are in Italian, seems like there is some confusion about the issue.
1) Our criminal procedure against the OP (Coinfan) is for defamation and any other possible issues which could arise from the investigation
2) We never denied your capacity to access the account which has been proven by you and confirmed by us. However, because we do believe you are not the owner of it, we need to verify it. It would be very easy to do it on your side.
3) Also, being capable to prove the ownership of the account, would also allow us to comply with AML rules
4) Last but not least, we no longer have customer funds under our control but, they are safely held in an escrow account in the name of the Arbiter which, as soon as point 2 and 3 are satisfied, or with a Court Order, will promptly release funds.
Let's forget for a minute the evidence posted demonstrating that you lied to the police. Let's ignore your arbiter, as is patent that you retain access to that money. Your post confirms it. The OP is no longer a Rock Trading customer, thus AML rules don't apply and you don't have any right to ask for identity verification. The FAQ you removed say that you never had. The OP posted plenty of evidence that he is the owner of the money and this conflict already has several years. You are the only one denying it. Is there other evidence you could possible invent to release his money? What if the OP is not the account owner? It would be very easy to prove it but he can't.... (PS the account owner is a woman) |
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Most likely,because the provided documents are in Italian, seems like there is some confusion about the issue.
1) Our criminal procedure against the OP (Coinfan) is for defamation and any other possible issues which could arise from the investigation
2) We never denied your capacity to access the account which has been proven by you and confirmed by us. However, because we do believe you are not the owner of it, we need to verify it. It would be very easy to do it on your side.
3) Also, being capable to prove the ownership of the account, would also allow us to comply with AML rules
4) Last but not least, we no longer have customer funds under our control but, they are safely held in an escrow account in the name of the Arbiter which, as soon as point 2 and 3 are satisfied, or with a Court Order, will promptly release funds.
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Please note that, as of today, there is only one active criminal procedure against the OP as per the following link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingAlso, funds are no longer under TRT control but held by an arbiter account. At the same link you'll find a bank transfer receipt and we will provide a quarterly bank statement. As of today, we have not received one single notification by the authorities Thank you |
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The authorities didn't also contacted any of the email addresses they received in his lying complain. And several months have passed...
It would help for legal and practical reasons to receive a contact from the authorities. I guess Italian justice is not famous for it's prompt nature.
Is the Italian justice the quickest in EU? No. However, The Court of Justice, as you'll see at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz acknowledged receipt of our procedure against Coinfan approximately 2 weeks after we went to the Police. Please see "Trascrizione 1" This proves that, it is unrealistic to say that, after 3 years (!!!!) the OP is still waiting for a reply. |
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Please note that, as of today, there is only one active criminal procedure against the OP as per the following link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingAlso, funds are no longer under TRT control but held by an arbiter account. At the same link you'll find a bank transfer receipt and we will provide a quarterly bank statement. As of today, we have not received one single notification by the authorities Thank you |
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Dear Coinfan, as said many times, we are looking forward to challenge you in a Court of Law. However, I would like to remind you that, so far, you are the only one with an open criminal procedure for which we provided proof at: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingThe good news is that, as soon as we will receive your claim, we will finally have your identity and our procedure, which is now against an anonymous person, will be effective. Thank you! |
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I am sure the OP and their legal team will follow Italian law directives as they work through to retrieve their funds, I cannot comment why you have not heard from their lawyer but I think matters are now so deep that they have no reason to contact you and will go through the process through the Courts. After 3 years I really hope so! but, you'll see, the OP is now capable to connect once a week and he will copy and paste the usual claims mixing a bunch of codes which indicates he has no legal advisory yet.... About the 1m EURO you received from Opstart, I visited your Rock Trading website a few days ago, it still seems very primitive and needs a complete overhaul if it were to ever stay around long enough to compete with others. With $6m trading in previous 24 hours your exchange is not exactly setting the crypto world alight so what do you intend to do with those funds? Sorry but, I only have to respond to our shareholders
Yes, of course they released funds.
As I said, they had to react and request information (even for an anonymous notification which was the usual cut & paste of all the civil and criminal Italian code) and, because they determined that there was no wrongdoing on our side, they had no reason to request authorities to freeze funds.
Again, no news from the OP lawyer, from OAM, or from any other possible autority you may think so...... |
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Did Opstart release the funds to you/Rock Trading? If they did not what reasons did they give and when do they intend to release the funds? Has anybody informed Opstart about the scam allegations and pending court cases? They raised over 1m Euro as far as I know. It's incredible that Opstart still hasn't cancelled the Rock raise of capital.https://www.opstart.it/progetto/digital-rock-holding/This means that they are considering giving a million and half euros of their investors to the Rock CFO, who only by miracle will evade a condemnation for lying to the police on a judicial document, which grants him 1 to 5 years in jail, even forgetting the other crimes. The evidence is more than clear: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55687075#msg55687075The Rock CFO complete disregard for Italian Law, including Italian Criminal Law, is evident as he published documents protected by judicial secret and even after warned that this is also a crime, as stated by a high Italian court, he completely ignored the warning. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55970022#msg55970022He even published the name of the prosecutor, allowing anyone to make a positive identification. I wonder what will happen if to the very least Opstart doesn't reveal these facts to their investors? I can update you on this. Opstart, which is a licensed company, received a couple of anonymous mail and, as standard procedure, requested us information about it. We provided all the information and they closed the case not finding any wrong doing on our side. Edit: It is in Italian but, if you look at the criminal procedure act , we are mentioning Opstart: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingYes, of course they released funds. As I said, they had to react and request information (even for an anonymous notification which was the usual cut & paste of all the civil and criminal Italian code) and, because they determined that there was no wrongdoing on our side, they had no reason to request authorities to freeze funds. Again, no news from the OP lawyer, from OAM, or from any other possible autority you may think so...... |
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Has anybody informed Opstart about the scam allegations and pending court cases? They raised over 1m Euro as far as I know. It's incredible that Opstart still hasn't cancelled the Rock raise of capital.https://www.opstart.it/progetto/digital-rock-holding/This means that they are considering giving a million and half euros of their investors to the Rock CFO, who only by miracle will evade a condemnation for lying to the police on a judicial document, which grants him 1 to 5 years in jail, even forgetting the other crimes. The evidence is more than clear: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55687075#msg55687075The Rock CFO complete disregard for Italian Law, including Italian Criminal Law, is evident as he published documents protected by judicial secret and even after warned that this is also a crime, as stated by a high Italian court, he completely ignored the warning. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55970022#msg55970022He even published the name of the prosecutor, allowing anyone to make a positive identification. I wonder what will happen if to the very least Opstart doesn't reveal these facts to their investors? I can update you on this. Opstart, which is a licensed company, received a couple of anonymous mail and, as standard procedure, requested us information about it. We provided all the information and they closed the case not finding any wrong doing on our side. Edit: It is in Italian but, if you look at the criminal procedure act , we are mentioning Opstart: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing |
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No, I'm not missing the point at all.
We both agree it is an issue that a Court of law will take care.
Thank you
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Very good news. Looking forward to hear from OAM
Thank you
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I am not sure why you took unilateral steps to give money that belongs to the OP to a third party without their consent. They never agreed to the arbiter that you selected and was not even offered a choice so why did you take all these step? Did you think about approaching the OP and asking if they would accept this before you started the process? short answer: Our lawyers told us to do so We have been trying to contact the account owner without success for the past 3 years. The only connection we have is an anonymous person who proved to have access to the account without proving to own it.... As you know, the OP multiple times, for the past 3 years, aside defaming us, talked about police intervention, arrests, court orders etc but, as of today, not even a single simple letter from his lawyer....... Why? Of course, I cannot publish all the details such as past correspondence with the owner but it is now in hands of the prosecutor. Anyway, funds are no longer in our control and, this is proof we have never been looking to "steal" customer funds. They are safely held by a third party arbiter. So, no matter what the OP says, there is not too much we can do at this point. It would be very easy for the account owner to get her money back. Thank you |
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Subject: Transfer Euro balance of account TRT 1218As per our criminal procedure against Coinfan, we decided to transfer funds to a third party bank account owned by an arbitrator. The amount transferred is: Euro 35519.92Account TRT 1218 has some residual balances still available with us as follow: BTC: 0.00000488 LTC; 0.00096756 XRP: 99.709355 Lindens: 0.97 USD: 1.55 BCH: 0.00010488 From now on, euro balance is no longer in our control and disposal.In order to access the funds, there are few options: 1) The account owner may contact us at legal@therocktrading.com and request Arbitrator contacts in order to fulfill AML/KYC requirements. 2) A Court of law will require the arbitrator to release funds 3) Any other case prescribed by the law. On our side, we will publish on a quarterly basis the bank statement received by the arbitrator with the evidence that funds are available. You'll find all records, including today bank transfer receipt, at the following link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingThank you Update:
as promised, bank receipt of the deposit on the arbitrator account. Every quarter we will publish the bank statement proving the existence of the deposit.
Link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingThank you |
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Medri is panicking about this with very good reasons. He was fool enough to post the proper name of the Prosecutor with the case. There is only one criminal Prosecutor in the Genoa Court with this proper name and has also a short surname. I already have the email. Op you can also find this info easily.
The OP is trying to recover his money but I have a different agenda. I want to clean the community of people like medri. The prosecutor will like to know about the publication of the proper name and these documents and about the lies. The Prosecutor is also a victim of medri. Your lies to the police are the final proof of your scam medri. You mean you are panicking and transferred your money to a third party after 3 years to try to hide your scam?
Please note that all the information is available to the OP or to the real owner of the account. We would like to have an open confrontation in a Court of law and allow the OP to defend himself from our criminal procedure against him. It would be enough for the OP to have his lawyer writing us a letter and we will provide all the information in order to contact: The arbitrator Our Lawyers The prosecutor Nevertheless, if the OP prefers to get in contact directly with the Prosecutor thanks to your investigation research, please be so kind to provide him the information. Thank you for your help Update about the transfer: next week I'll provide bank deposit receipt provided by the arbitrator.Thank you |
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Meaning what exactly? A simple yes or no about #3.. will an affidavit (a statement legally sworn on oath) by a registered lawyer in the country of Coinfan be acceptable by you via the Arbiter? Well, the beauty of it is that it is out of my control.
As long as I get an official document concerning the release of funds in accordance with the law, I'm fine.
I'm sorry Jolly but, it is the owner of the account duty to contact us, request the Arbiter information and find a legal solution with them. About your idea, assuming that the owner of account reads this chat, I have no idea if it is legally acceptable but, the arbiter will evaluate it and provide us the information. |
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Well, the beauty of it is that it is out of my control.
As long as I get an official document concerning the release of funds in accordance with the law, I'm fine.
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Funds were converted in euro by the account owner at current market prices of those times.
Of course we do have full transaction logs on file.
Thank you
Edit: Last conversion on log was made on: March 02, 2018 15:39
with a btc remaining balance of: 0.00000488 BTC
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Subject: Transfer Euro balance of account TRT 1218As per our criminal procedure against Coinfan, we decided to transfer funds to a third party bank account owned by an arbitrator. The amount transferred is: Euro 35519.92Account TRT 1218 has some residual balances still available with us as follow: BTC: 0.00000488 LTC; 0.00096756 XRP: 99.709355 Lindens: 0.97 USD: 1.55 BCH: 0.00010488 From now on, euro balance is no longer in our control and disposal.In order to access the funds, there are few options: 1) The account owner may contact us at legal@therocktrading.com and request Arbitrator contacts in order to fulfill AML/KYC requirements. 2) A Court of law will require the arbitrator to release funds 3) Any other case prescribed by the law. On our side, we will publish on a quarterly basis the bank statement received by the arbitrator with the evidence that funds are available. You'll find all records, including today bank transfer receipt, at the following link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingThank you
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Our company Diligio from London UK has developed a platform called Fraud database for victims of crypto fraud and scams, people can go to icifdb.org and file a claim completely free, they then get a chance for law firms to look at their case and take it in. https://linktr.ee/JelFDB This is all my info, we want to help people who have been scammed because we know how it feels and we know we can make life difficult for these bad people and make them pay Thank you!! Please note that there is a criminal procedure against Coinfan (the OP). https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingSo, if the OP will request your help, it would be very easy for your legal team to get in contact with our team and/or directly with the Criminal Justice Court. |
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