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January 15, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
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I changed my OP and added the recent news, including about his lies and other illegal acts with links to the evidence for everyone to read, including the Italian Police, with an Italian translation.

I'm also posting another evidence of the Rock CFO lies to the police, his fake motive for their covert block on my withdrawals. He told the lie that it was because my account was dormant between 2014 and 2017.
The Rock CTO Paci contradicted him, but his own support system contradicted him too and also invented another illegal pretext: they said it was because I made euro withdrawals, back in 2013, when their TOS explicitly allowed them.

They were saying that they blocked covertly my withdrawals in the beginning of 2018 because of small withdrawals I made on 2013!!

An illegal block, three different pretexts, all illegal and lying.

Here is a scan of this statement in their support answer to the August 2018 ticket:



Sto anche postando un'altra prova delle menzogne del direttore finanziario della Rock alla polizia, il suo falso movente per il loro blocco segreto sui miei prelievi. Ha detto la bugia perché il mio conto è rimasto dormiente tra il 2014 e il 2017.
Il CTO Paci di Rock lo ha contraddetto, ma anche il suo stesso sistema di supporto lo ha contraddetto e ha anche inventato un pretesto illegale: hanno detto che è stato perché ho fatto dei prelievi di euro, nel 2013, quando il loro TOS glielo ha esplicitamente permesso.
Dicevano di aver bloccato di nascosto i miei prelievi all'inizio del 2018 a causa dei piccoli prelievi che avevo fatto nel 2013!
Ecco una scansione della loro risposta al biglietto dell'agosto 2018:


Posting evidence that the complains were done with the names the Rock Trading have on file would breach privacy, but I could do it if the Rock CFO wrote clearly that he will return immediately my money, without any other demand.

He knows he won't be able to keep it. Forced by the police or voluntarily he will have to return my money.

But I'm ready to wait for the Prosecutor decision. Who waits almost 3 years, can wait some time more.

SCAM ALERT: The Rock Trading Exchange (www.therocktrading.com): Deceives bitcoiners to create unverified accounts, blocks the withdrawals covertly in order to let the user keep depositing money and uses every pretext to keep it blocked "forever".
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January 15, 2021, 10:07:34 PM
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I hope the Rock trading scammers end up releasing your funds soon and then also end up paying you damages and interest for the way they tried to scam you. I am so happy that you posted this screenshot, they will never be able to get away with scamming you when things go to Court.

I hope soon we will hear news that Andrea Medri the owner/operator of that tiny little useless mini-exchange called the Rock Trading is in jail and their little mini-exchange called Rock Trading will be shut down.



I changed my OP and added the recent news, including about his lies and other illegal acts with links to the evidence for everyone to read, including the Italian Police, with an Italian translation.

I'm also posting another evidence of the Rock CFO lies to the police, his fake motive for their covert block on my withdrawals. He told the lie that it was because my account was dormant between 2014 and 2017.
The Rock CTO Paci contradicted him, but his own support system contradicted him too and also invented another illegal pretext: they said it was because I made euro withdrawals, back in 2013, when their TOS explicitly allowed them.

They were saying that they blocked covertly my withdrawals in the beginning of 2018 because of small withdrawals I made on 2013!!

An illegal block, three different pretexts, all illegal and lying.

Here is a scan of this statement in their support answer to the August 2018 ticket:



Sto anche postando un'altra prova delle menzogne del direttore finanziario della Rock alla polizia, il suo falso movente per il loro blocco segreto sui miei prelievi. Ha detto la bugia perché il mio conto è rimasto dormiente tra il 2014 e il 2017.
Il CTO Paci di Rock lo ha contraddetto, ma anche il suo stesso sistema di supporto lo ha contraddetto e ha anche inventato un pretesto illegale: hanno detto che è stato perché ho fatto dei prelievi di euro, nel 2013, quando il loro TOS glielo ha esplicitamente permesso.
Dicevano di aver bloccato di nascosto i miei prelievi all'inizio del 2018 a causa dei piccoli prelievi che avevo fatto nel 2013!
Ecco una scansione della loro risposta al biglietto dell'agosto 2018:


Posting evidence that the complains were done with the names the Rock Trading have on file would breach privacy, but I could do it if the Rock CFO wrote clearly that he will return immediately my money, without any other demand.

He knows he won't be able to keep it. Forced by the police or voluntarily he will have to return my money.

But I'm ready to wait for the Prosecutor decision. Who waits almost 3 years, can wait some time more.


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January 16, 2021, 11:22:52 AM
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For the past 2 years, Coinfan posted multiple declarations about his ongoing legal actions against us which we never received.

He mentioned imminent police actions, arrests, years in jail in quite a dramatic way.... We never got even a basic, simple letter from his lawyer...... ZERO

So, after 2 years of nothing, aside from his proof to get access in a possibly fraudulent manner to an account registered with TRT, we decided to proceed against him for a criminal procedure of defamation and possible other convictions.

Of course, we provided the proof of it which the reader can verify at the following link:
 
Official documents: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

Saying so, our lawyers, to be on the safe side, suggested we request the Court of Milano, where the Company is registered, if there was any procedure against us which, for whatever reason, was not notified yet. ZERO

As usual, we will post in the next few days at the above link the response from the Court of law.

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January 21, 2021, 04:29:33 PM
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As I wrote, the Rock CFO told the police that he blocked my account (in reality, only the withdrawals and without informing) because the account had been dormant between 2014 and 2017.

I already posted evidence of continuous trading and tickets during this period which proves this was a blatant lie: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55687075#msg55687075

But the Rock CFO himself told the police that the account owner "On 2014 had open the ticket #17*** (Doc. 4)".

If the account was dormant how was possible that a ticket was open? Tell me about being coherent with his lies!

I don't have to do a thing, he reveals what kind of person he is on his own.

Come ho scritto, il CFO di Rock ha detto alla polizia che ha bloccato il mio conto (in realtà, solo i prelievi e senza informare) perché il conto era stato inattivo tra il 2014 e il 2017.
Ho già postato le prove del trading continuo e dei biglietti durante questo periodo che dimostrano che questa era una palese bugia.
Ma lo stesso CFO di Rock ha detto alla polizia che il proprietario del conto "Nel 2014 aveva aperto il ticket #17*** (Doc. 4)".
Se l'account era dormiente come era possibile che fosse aperto un ticket? Mi parli di coerenza con le sue bugie!


Rock Trading will be shut down.
It will be for the Prosecutor to decide what kind of measures should be taken. But probably it won't be just that. It shouldn't take long.

SCAM ALERT: The Rock Trading Exchange (www.therocktrading.com): Deceives bitcoiners to create unverified accounts, blocks the withdrawals covertly in order to let the user keep depositing money and uses every pretext to keep it blocked "forever".
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January 27, 2021, 08:54:55 PM
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Up to now, there was no communication from the Italian authorities.

I hope he hasn't desist from the lying complain in order to try to escape his responsibilities. As soon as I have any evidence of that he is going to see how fast he will be in trouble. He presented to everyone plenty of evidence that he is responsible for clear crimes under the Italian Criminal Code.

He posted about the Milan Court... The civil one? He will be facing criminal charges, with my thanks to him for all the free evidence he gave.

I never talked about any civil court complain. He knows what entities to call to check the complains against the Rock Trading that I posted about.

SCAM ALERT: The Rock Trading Exchange (www.therocktrading.com): Deceives bitcoiners to create unverified accounts, blocks the withdrawals covertly in order to let the user keep depositing money and uses every pretext to keep it blocked "forever".
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January 28, 2021, 07:13:31 AM
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He posted about the Milan Court... The civil one? He will be facing criminal charges, with my thanks to him for all the free evidence he gave.


We checked both, Criminal an Civil of course....

In the meantime, we are getting ready to transfer funds to a legal third party escrow account as mentioned in our procedure against Coinfan. 

Standby for further updates and evidences

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January 28, 2021, 09:55:32 AM
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Hey guys,

is it ok to post some content here? We have something quite interesting re scam detection and reporting and I’d like to share with people in the group but I don’t want to spam, so asking for your consent. Thanks.
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January 29, 2021, 10:45:47 PM
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Yes please, feel free to post anything you need to as long as it is related to the useless tiny mini-exchange called the Rock Trading. Please elaborate on what it was you wanted to report about scam detection.


Hey guys,

is it ok to post some content here? We have something quite interesting re scam detection and reporting and I’d like to share with people in the group but I don’t want to spam, so asking for your consent. Thanks.

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January 30, 2021, 09:56:40 AM
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Our company Diligio from London UK has developed a platform called Fraud database for victims of crypto fraud and scams, people can go to icifdb.org and file a claim completely free, they then get a chance for law firms to look at their case and take it in. https://linktr.ee/JelFDB This is all my info, we want to help people who have been scammed because we know how it feels and we know we can make life difficult for these bad people and make them pay

Thank you!!

Please note that there is a criminal procedure against Coinfan (the OP).

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

So, if the OP will request your help, it would be very easy for your legal team to get in contact with our team and/or directly with the Criminal Justice Court.


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January 30, 2021, 01:03:53 PM
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As far as I know the OP who is the victim of the tiny useless mini-exchange called the Rock Trading, they are taking the scammers to court and hopefully the people behind the scam including Andrea Medri will go to jail and that tiny useless mini-exchange called the Rock Trading will be shut down by the authorities.

These 'bad' people as you refer to will be dealt with by the police and the courts so in this case it seems the OP will not need your help because they have chased this matter to bring Andrea Medri and his tiny useless mini-exchange called the Rock Trading to court.

Only the OP will be able to respond to you directly with an answer so you can wait for them to reply.


Our company Diligio from London UK has developed a platform called Fraud database for victims of crypto fraud and scams, people can go to icifdb.org and file a claim completely free, they then get a chance for law firms to look at their case and take it in. https://linktr.ee/JelFDB This is all my info, we want to help people who have been scammed because we know how it feels and we know we can make life difficult for these bad people and make them pay

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Thanks for the interest, JelenaFDB.

Only the OP will be able to respond to you directly with an answer so you can wait for them to reply.
I already have all the legal assistance I need. The Rock CFO is the one who needs it, desperately.

He wrote "Our legal team". Nothing more than his usual lies. He has no lawyer. He named a friend or a friend's friend who knows nothing about the case.

No lawyer would allow him to incriminate himself by lying to the police or would allow him to publish documents of a pending investigation against italian criminal law.

No lawyer would allow him to tell the police that the V AML directive had entered in force in 2020 or was relevant to this case. I published about this several times:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg53490769#msg53490769

He is like someone with a serious disease, delaying going to the doctor to avoid the fees.

He will pay dearly for avoid paying a lawyer.

SCAM ALERT: The Rock Trading Exchange (www.therocktrading.com): Deceives bitcoiners to create unverified accounts, blocks the withdrawals covertly in order to let the user keep depositing money and uses every pretext to keep it blocked "forever".
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February 02, 2021, 04:12:02 PM
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Subject: Transfer Euro balance of account TRT 1218

As per our criminal procedure against Coinfan, we decided to transfer funds to a third party bank account owned by an arbitrator.

The amount transferred is: Euro 35519.92

Account  TRT 1218 has some residual balances still available with us as follow:

BTC: 0.00000488
LTC; 0.00096756
XRP: 99.709355
Lindens: 0.97
USD: 1.55
BCH: 0.00010488

From now on, euro balance is no longer in our control and disposal.

In order to access the funds, there are few options:

1) The account owner may contact us at legal@therocktrading.com and request Arbitrator contacts in order to fulfill AML/KYC requirements.

2) A Court of law will require the arbitrator to release funds

3) Any other case prescribed by the law.

On our side, we will publish on a quarterly basis the bank statement received by the arbitrator with the evidence that funds are available.

You'll find all records, including today bank transfer receipt, at the following link:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

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February 02, 2021, 04:31:38 PM
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@coinfan - please check what eliale (Andri Medri Rock Trading CFO) wrote and has been confirmed as accurate by you.

This is excellent news, I am very happy to read that eliale (Andri Medri Rock Trading CFO) has posted the information. It will bring this whole matter one step closer to a resolution that has left the OP without access to their funds for several years. They have tried to get their funds since December 2017 and have been in limbo ever since.



@ eliale - this is a welcomed step forward, an unexpected and surprising one but nonetheless a very welcomed one. It is an important step forward because it shows Rock Trading is solvent. If you have passed the funds out to a third party (Arbiter) regardless of your motives for doing so, it brings everything one step closer to a resolution. I hope coinfan welcomes this step you took.

I am curious about one thing though, the balance in BTC that coinfan had at the time of the funds being seized were 4.88 BTC. Today on CMC Bitcoin is showing a value of $34,650 which means the 4.88 BTC is worth over 191,000 Euro (which is over £169,000 and over $230,000).

Why did you transfer 35519.92 EUR to the Arbitor instead of 191,000 EUR?

1.22790482 BTC = 35519.92 EUR

What happened to other 3.65209518 BTC that belongs to the OP coinfan?

Maybe I have the calculations wrong, please elaborate on the disparities between the two figures. If the time of the withdrawal in EUR the Bitcoin were worth 35519.92 EUR but today are worth over 191,000 Euro - why did you not transfer 191,000 Euro to the Arbiter?




Subject: Transfer Euro balance of account TRT 1218

As per our criminal procedure against Coinfan, we decided to transfer funds to a third party bank account owned by an arbitrator.

The amount transferred is: Euro 35519.92

Account  TRT 1218 has some residual balances still available with us as follow:

BTC: 0.00000488
LTC; 0.00096756
XRP: 99.709355
Lindens: 0.97
USD: 1.55
BCH: 0.00010488

From now on, euro balance is no longer in our control and disposal.

In order to access the funds, there are few options:

1) The account owner may contact us at legal@therocktrading.com and request Arbitrator contacts in order to fulfill AML/KYC requirements.

2) A Court of law will require the arbitrator to release funds

3) Any other case prescribed by the law.

On our side, we will publish on a quarterly basis the bank statement received by the arbitrator with the evidence that funds are available.

You'll find all records, including today bank transfer receipt, at the following link:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

Thank you





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February 02, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
Last edit: February 02, 2021, 05:00:31 PM by eliale
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Funds were converted in euro by the account owner at current market prices of those times.

Of course we do have full transaction logs on file.

Thank you

Edit: Last conversion on log was made on:  March 02, 2018 15:39

with a btc remaining balance of: 0.00000488 BTC

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February 02, 2021, 06:26:41 PM
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Funds were converted in euro by the account owner at current market prices of those times.

Of course we do have full transaction logs on file.

Thank you

Edit: Last conversion on log was made on:  March 02, 2018 15:39

with a btc remaining balance of: 0.00000488 BTC

Yes that is correct, I remember reading about that request to convert to EUR before withdrawal and then when it was blocked I think myself and maybe several others asked if it would be possible to allow Coinfan to withdraw crypto to their wallet as that also would have avoided the whole unfolding of events that occurred in this thread after that request was declined.

Anyway, I am elated that this issue seems to be heading to a conclusion. In the end as long as the OP received their funds then that is paramount as far as I am concerned because going over 3 years without access to funds of that magnitude would seriously affect a lot of people.

I really did not like the way you went about ensuring to make things very difficult for the OP because they opened this scam accusation thread and challenged you and your tactics openly but you should not have created an environment where the OP had no choice but to do it and one where both parties are taking legal action against one another. Hopefully the legal action and court fees that both parties will end up paying money for can still be avoid if both parties decide to end matters and both parties move on but that has to be something only after the OP has received their funds.

I do not know what prompted you to make the decision to transfer the funds to the Arbiter and whether this is the same Arbiter that Coinfan accepts but this is a huge step forward in finally bringing matters to an end.



From now on, euro balance is no longer in our control and disposal.

In order to access the funds, there are few options:

1) The account owner may contact us at legal@therocktrading.com and request Arbitrator contacts in order to fulfill AML/KYC requirements.

2) A Court of law will require the arbitrator to release funds

3) Any other case prescribed by the law.

On our side, we will publish on a quarterly basis the bank statement received by the arbitrator with the evidence that funds are available.

You'll find all records, including today bank transfer receipt, at the following link:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

Thank you

Of your options the OP currently has to retrieve their funds,  I personally am against #1 because I remember suggesting to Coinfan not to send their personal details to you for obvious reasons involving possible revenge and I stand by that and the same would apply to any exchange. If the Arbiter intends to pass on their KYC details directly to you then I would advise the OP against sending their documents.

As far #2 is concerned, if things finally get to Court and a judgement is made for the Arbiter to release the funds with or without the need for the OP to send in KYC documents then that would happen after a lengthy process involving both parties paying legal fees. Also, once the Court case is over it might entail the losing party having to pay the full legal fees of the other party. I would advise both parties against it.

Regarding #3 this seems like a way both parties can settle this issue very quickly.

May I suggest that if Coinfan went to a registered lawyer in their country of residence and that lawyer certified that they have seen the documents (passport, ID card, driver licence, bank statement etc) and can confirm the identity of the OP and sent you an affidavit (a statement legally sworn on oath) revealing only the name, address and bank details (which you already know from when they used their bank account to send funds to your exchange) then would that suffice?

You came a long way to get matters so close to the finishing line, surely you can go one step further. Would you say to the Arbiter that an affidavit by a registered legal professional from the country where the OP resides would be acceptable to you and once that is received by the Arbiter they can forward it you and the Arbiter can send the funds to the OP?

I hope Coinfan will consider this as an option to quickly get their funds back and to close this issue.

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February 03, 2021, 07:18:11 AM
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Well, the beauty of it is that it is out of my control.

As long as I get an official document concerning the release of funds in accordance with the law, I'm fine.


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Meaning what exactly?

A simple yes or no about #3.. will an affidavit (a statement legally sworn on oath) by a registered lawyer in the country of Coinfan be acceptable by you via the Arbiter? 


Well, the beauty of it is that it is out of my control.

As long as I get an official document concerning the release of funds in accordance with the law, I'm fine.



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February 03, 2021, 12:21:52 PM
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Meaning what exactly?

A simple yes or no about #3.. will an affidavit (a statement legally sworn on oath) by a registered lawyer in the country of Coinfan be acceptable by you via the Arbiter? 


Well, the beauty of it is that it is out of my control.

As long as I get an official document concerning the release of funds in accordance with the law, I'm fine.



I'm sorry Jolly but, it is the owner of the account duty to contact us, request the Arbiter information and find a legal solution with them.

About your idea, assuming that the owner of account reads this chat, I have no idea if it is legally acceptable but, the arbiter will evaluate it and provide us the information.



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Yes you are right this is a matter for the OP but from what I see as long as the OP is happy to follow this path and get an affidavit from a registered lawyer then send that to the Arbiter - hopefully it will bring all matters to a close.

I hope Coinfan logs in and posts here soon.


Meaning what exactly?

A simple yes or no about #3.. will an affidavit (a statement legally sworn on oath) by a registered lawyer in the country of Coinfan be acceptable by you via the Arbiter? 


Well, the beauty of it is that it is out of my control.

As long as I get an official document concerning the release of funds in accordance with the law, I'm fine.



I'm sorry Jolly but, it is the owner of the account duty to contact us, request the Arbiter information and find a legal solution with them.

About your idea, assuming that the owner of account reads this chat, I have no idea if it is legally acceptable but, the arbiter will evaluate it and provide us the information.




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Medri is panicking about this with very good reasons. He was fool enough to post the proper name of the Prosecutor with the case. There is only one criminal Prosecutor in the Genoa Court with this proper name and has also a short surname. I already have the email. Op you can also find this info easily.
The OP is trying to recover his money but I have a different agenda. I want to clean the community of people like medri. The prosecutor will like to know about the publication of the proper name and these documents and about the lies. The Prosecutor is also a victim of medri. Your lies to the police are the final proof of your scam medri. You mean you are panicking and transferred your money to a third party after 3 years to try to hide your scam?

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