Got my books ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Let me know if you can't see the pic ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmail-attachment.googleusercontent.com%2Fattachment%2Fu%2F0%2F%3Fui%3D2%26ik%3Dad0f615221%26view%3Datt%26th%3D1413ca390a85ba2c%26attid%3D0.1%26disp%3Dinline%26safe%3D1%26zw%26saduie%3DAG9B_P8JC8TqPoQq7YGGacy7YOk_%26sadet%3D1379701931838%26sads%3DNYaIWNo3KIbVXlZGrc-kDfBKwWg%26sadssc%3D1&t=663&c=BRbQfBShma273A) if you are in Denver you need to drop whatever u are doing and head over here \/asap!~they can help you ~all weekend longgg ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) have fun i wish i was there! ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imm.io%2F18TdR.jpeg&t=663&c=l53Zp10NZQYtxA) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redrocksonline.com%2Fwebcam%2Fredrocks.jpg&t=663&c=CgvV2sntH66aGQ)
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Noticed of proposed expenditure of project funds: David Johnston (angel investor and MasterCoin Foundation Board member) has filed the official paperwork to register the MasterCoin Foundation as a non-profit in the state of Delaware (for reasons outlined in his email below). I will be reimbursing the $1042 he spent on this to his bitcoin address: 1AHXnT1eLRfBv7WZXcHNzomjETBFLrw3yx I will probably send this on Monday. J.R., Good questions. As for the reimbursement funds it would be nice to be reimbursed sooner than later. As for Delaware it is the go to state for incorporation because of its business friendly laws, its low incorporation fees, its low annual franchise fee, (about $150 USD), and how quickly they turn around paperwork. The vast majority of the U.S. Fortune 500 are incorporated in Delaware (plus 95% of new incorporations are done) for these reasons. And as you can pick any state you want its the best choice hands down. I paid an extra $85 to get the paperwork completed in 7 to 10 days instead of the normal 35 business days. I also signed us up for a Registered Agent in Delaware (about $150 per year). I also filed for our Federal Tax ID number. I also filed for our Tax Exempt Status. I also signed us up for a Bank of America account for the Foundation when the incorporation is complete. As for Treasurer, it only means what ever definition we assign to it. For the forms I had to fill out the officers of record, which can all be one person. I did myself as I had my address handy and of course we can update the President, Treasurer, and Secretary roles and what ever we want to assign to those roles by a simple Board vote when the docs come in. Let me know if you have other questions, I've been through this about 10 times with incorporating different entities (mostly LLCs and C-Type corporations) over the years, though this is my first non-profit. The process proved exactly the same, with the addition of the Tax Exempt Application. Talk with you soon. Best Regards, David A. Johnston BitAngels.co On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:42 PM, J.R. Willett wrote: Board: please be advised of David's proposed reimbursement of $1042 (see below) for incorporating the non-profit MasterCoin Foundation. If I don't hear any objections, I plan to pay this expense out of project funds the next time the Exodus Address makes a payment. David, do you want to get paid right away, or do you want to wait for the next payment to go out? I was going to ask Mich to wait until I paid out to the winners of the coding contest, but $1042 is a lot of money to leave hanging like that ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Also, I don't recall you saying - is there something special about incorporating in the state of Delaware? Any idea how long it will be until the paperwork is processed? Lastly, what does "treasurer" mean in this context? (Once we get m-of-n signing, aren't we all treasurers?) Thanks! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Johnston Date: Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:25 PM J.R., I'm glad to get this all formalized and in place. The paperwork is now filed with Legal Zoom for our Delaware Incorporation of Mastercoin Foundation Inc. Filing as a Non-Profit cost a little more ($1,042) than normal because they have to do our Tax Exempt Status. But its still not bad normally a lawyer would cost $4,000 to $5,000 for the same service of doing the incorporation, getting the Federal Tax ID and filing for Tax Exempt status. Attached is the total. Please remit that total in BTC to this Coinbase address for the reimbursement. 1AHXnT1eLRfBv7WZXcHNzomjETBFLrw3yx Thanks. David A. Johnston BitAngels.co Probably nobody will question this expense, but he did also send me the receipt for this transaction if it somehow becomes contentious. non-profit benefiting who? also of this so call angel investor group really believes in you why is he stressing you for the bread like that?=)rant onnnn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_investor
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good looking tho: must be a joke!~ anyone know how many bitcoins SD takes in from users per day?..you would think a pro would ask for something significant=)TIA!!
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WILL THE REAL MASTERCOIN PLEASE STAND UP!!!=)LOL
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says who? lmao this sounds like a bigger problem imo than all this bitcoin blockchain monkeybusiness~ SOMEONE JACKED THE MASTERCOIN NAME!!!!!! ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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Everybody knows that the DDos attacks have been from extortionists, they were asking for 100 BTCs from satoshidice and 1 btc from satoshi circle respectively.. why some of you are associating the attacks to a particular site, that makes no sense.. if betcoin.tm is online is simply by the fact they are paying for better cloud protection.
A while back there were other DDoS attacks on SD with some people demanding money. They subsided and were intermittent. This recent attack has been different. Much stronger, sustained, and no extortion messages. In any case, it's been overcome, and SD is up... and paying nowhere near "$20k per month" for hosting ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Well, when you will make an accusation you need to have proofs, by saying " i think its somebody cause i imagine this" isnt right, i read months ago that satoshidice was rigged but i dint posted on that topic cause they dint have proofs and thats not ethic, i gamble very often and im happy that at least there is one site that can stand online, And for ASICRUS why dont you read a little more the past about this before posting... the extortionist had an account with the name of "ScammerZhouTong" and posted on the official satoshidice topic days ago.. link?~ i don't see that anywhere >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870.1660
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Everybody knows that the DDos attacks have been from extortionists, they were asking for 100 BTCs from satoshidice and 1 btc from satoshi circle respectively.. why some of you are associating the attacks to a particular site, that makes no sense.. if betcoin.tm is online is simply by the fact they are paying for better cloud protection.
A while back there were other DDoS attacks on SD with some people demanding money. They subsided and were intermittent. This recent attack has been different. Much stronger, sustained, and no extortion messages. In any case, it's been overcome, and SD is up... and paying nowhere near "$20k per month" for hosting ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) LOL[-funny-]~now listen : i know where satoshi keeps his "toolboX", where is this dice extortion thread and how much does one get for not crashing your mock gambling site!?? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) thanks in advance! nice logo~look familiar?v\/v ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fmedia.percussionlab.com%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2Fny_state_of_mind%3A_konkrete_jungle%2Flarge_ny_state_of_mind%3A_konkrete_jungle.jpg&t=663&c=HbvrM7mN3w1jnQ)
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Everybody knows that the DDos attacks have been from extortionists, they were asking for 100 BTCs from satoshidice and 1 btc from satoshi circle respectively.. why some of you are associating the attacks to a particular site, that makes no sense.. if betcoin.tm is online is simply by the fact they are paying for better cloud protection.
wow ain't that legit tho in this new age bitcoin universe of "know it all" computer geeks attempting to operate like Vegas mobsters?...anyone? ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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dead thread? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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reposting hacked material that involves national security might piss someone off ...no? ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Heh... Tell me just one thing that is not national security? ~the price of ice cream cones in Antarctica! ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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~so which one is the offical MST info thread? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) We go by MSC, not MST. This is the official thread, but it is high-volume, and can be hard to keep up with ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) WTF!!!!====> https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/62 ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) You know thats a different Mastercoin right? Thats the altcoin mastercoin, and this is the bitcoin mastercoin where is that thread? this is trippy
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thanks bud tho that's only the PPC(price per coin) chart~\//\~ ====>ya what i'm looking for a historical chart that shows the demurrage coin-kill rate in relation to friedcoins' PPC! ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) tia! There's no charts because that's a constant: 2^(-20)% per block or a little bit less than annual 5%. The demurrage FEE is constant over time. What is "destroyed" increases with the total supply, until the equlibrium is reached at 100 Million FRC. ~20 year shelf life then? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) /\not that bad lol
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plane7
====> can i please try it out, i'll give a fair review!!! i tinkered around~can i get .1 btc or am i too late?
BIG THANKS!!!
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One important reason I'm not moving to an alt-chain is the distributed exchange between bitcoin and MasterCoin, which isn't possible if we are on an alt-chain, since it requires using data from standard bitcoin transactions AND MasterCoin transactions to work.
I don't think I've mentioned that reason anywhere else, but it is probably the primary reason I'm not even willing to consider it. There are other reasons, like total cost of development, and even the dirty stink of starting yet another alt chain (For instance, bitshares is doing it "right", but they were banished to the alt section with all those scam coins, which they of course bitterly resent).
I am totally convinced that building on top of bitcoin is the right way to go, for all the reasons here and above in Ron's posts.
It would be easy enough to build a client that could do atomic cross-blockchain txns... essentially the txn in mastercoin-chain would reference a bitcoin txn and maximum block and be invalid if that bitcoin txn "pair" is not in the bitcoin chain before that block. A subsequent mastercoin-chain "txn" could set a marker that explicitly validates or invalidates the mastercoin-txn so mastercoin-only clients could exist. None of your mining, minting etc. arguments hold water because its just a fork of the existing OSS bitcoin code. But really none of these arguments matter. Its great that MC txn fees encourage bitcoin use/velocity. And if it becomes an issue for bitcoin, Bitcoin txn fees will rise to the point where you will move. I think you are really feeling a backlash because you advertised MC as a service on top of Bitcoin rather than a competing alt-coin. But in truth it is a competing alt-coin that uses the bitcoin infrastructure. Its like you said you are going "sailing" but are actually just sitting in your car on a ferry. MC is technically a service on top of Bitcoin but in essence it is a separate coin.In contrast, Casascius coins are technically not a service on top of Bitcoin (to transfer them you don't use the blockchain). But they ARE in their essence. But the reality is that an alt-coin is an easy way to raise money without going to VCs. And projects (especially those about money) lose steam without some funding as we are seeing with colored coins. no worries, if someone creates a mechanism that operates on top of the existing Bitcoin blockchain just expect to be at the mercy of Gavin and crew pulling the plug on you! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) LOL
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Hope the ddos stops Stunna, way to stay vigilant.
$tunna can't be stopped imho! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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The project BitForum is more important than ever, innocent people are getting sued and even imprisoned just for posting links on forums! People need anonymous public forums where they can express themselves openly without the fear of Big Brother. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fthiscantbehappening.net%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2FBarrett.png&t=663&c=TCJUVkgKKZTxLQ) Barrett Brown is being charged, essentially, with doing something everyone (including myself right now) does on the Internet: he posted a link. The Brown case raises all kinds of issues around freedom of expression and information but, perhaps most importantly, it uncovers a deeper and more dangerous aspect of the Obama Administration's information policy. Brown's case illustrates that, in addition to targeting the use of the Internet for spreading information, it is targeting the very act of information distribution. That includes the work that journalists routinely do but it also includes the information sharing you and I do on the Internet almost as a reflex. http://thiscantbehappening.net/print/1960reposting hacked material that involves national security might piss someone off ...no? ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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~so which one is the offical MST info thread? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) We go by MSC, not MST. This is the official thread, but it is high-volume, and can be hard to keep up with ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) WTF!!!!====> https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/62 ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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The whole thing is so foolish it's not funny.
= da next satoshi martial arts center! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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