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601  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 02, 2023, 10:38:17 PM
Nothing can stop Leverkusen to win Bundesliga this year and I will keep this bold prediction for the rest of the season. Sure , Bayern looks strong , healthy and always ready to win but Leverkusen looks more like a team than Bayern in my opinion and this will be a huge advantage when they will face each other later.

Also , Stuttgart really wants to catch an European spot for next year and by the way they are playing right now , they can achieve at least a Conference League spot.

I am truly hoping for Leverkusen to win the title, but my gut feeling is that Bayern will win it again. If you want to, you can turn your bold prediction into a little bet against me Smiley I say that Bayern will win the title. I have been disappointed so many teams so many teams when it was looking great for them and then it all fell apart within just a few weeks and Bayern "had to be looked after with binoculars", as Uli Hoeneß once said Cheesy
602  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 02, 2023, 10:32:22 PM
Girona once again proved to be a strong contender in the league today as they remained unbeaten today coming from behind to reclaim their 3 points after beating Valencia 2:1 at home. Truth be told they are doing so well and will continue to win regardless of the pressure they will face but if they maintain consistency they are sure of winning the league or at least finishing as one of the best four and thst will see the going to the champions league next season.

No doubt that this is what the owners of Girona are reaching for. I am still on the fence about Girona as I don't know whether they have the quality players needed to compete with Real Madrid until the end of the season, but a top four finish would mean to take it to the next level for them and to also become an option for players who want to play in the Champions League but are not yet ready to take the risk and mess with the best in teams like Manchester City. But Girona is doing some remarkable work in player recruitment and the Champions League qualification would be a serious upgrade for them.
603  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: December 02, 2023, 08:26:25 PM
Wer glaubt an 30% eine Korrektur?
Irgendwie kann ich mir das gerade noch nicht vorstellen. Ich finde das im Vergleich zu den letzten Malen noch alles sehr solide.
Ich könnte mir nur eine Korrektur vorstellen, wenn die Genehmigung im Januar vom Spot ETF wieder verschoben wird.
Was denkt Ihr?
Fakt ist: Es wird irgendwann eine Korrektur geben und auch wenn man es sich nicht vorstellen kann, es kommt zur Korrektur. Auch ich kann mir aktuell keine 30% vorstellen aber ich habe es mir bei den letzten Bullenmärkten auch nicht vorstellen können und trotzdem ist es bekanntlich passiert. Die einzige Frage lautet für mich nur, wann? Bei 40k schon oder erst 20-30% von 50k? Es macht schon einen großen Unterschied.
Das letzte Mal -30% war am 13.03.2020 wegen Corona innerhalb weniger Stunden, da hab ich noch eine alte Nachricht gefunden. Das Ereignis dahinter war extrem negativ und ist so „einmalig“ gewesen. Im Vergleich zu einem wiederholten verschieben eines ETF würde ich es nicht auf die gleiche Ebene setzen. Für ein -XX% könnte kurzfristig ein Closing von binance führen, auch wenn es sich danach wieder fängt (was ich glaube). Also wenn die 40k durch sind, ging es zuletzt sogar direkt auf 42-43k. Korrektur von mir aus, vor kurzem waren wir noch bei unter 20k, also Jahresabschluss mit +100% nur in bitcoin, sogar ca. +130%.

Wobei es schon ein interessanter Aspekt ist, sich mal genau zu überlegen wohin eine weiterhin intensivierte Zentralisierung zu voll regulierten Datenkraken führen würde. So ein wenig geht ja schon dieser libertäre Gedanke verloren, mit dem Bitcoin mal gestartet ist. Wenn sie Binance platt machen, dann wird die Konsolidierung garantiert weiter gehen und ganz klar alles Richtung Börsen wie Coinbase und ähnliche gedrückt. Die EU ist mit ihren Plänen ja auch noch lange nicht am Ende. Deshalb wird es trotzdem ohne Ende Investoren und Spekulanten geben, aber wie du schon sagtest, könnte ein Abschuss von Binance durchaus nochmal richtig reinhauen. Ich stimme aber überein, dass der Preis sich auch davon wieder erholen würde.
604  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 02, 2023, 05:58:56 PM

There is a high chance that account FIODNederland is legit because: The account was created 2.5 hours before fiod.nl published this article, and posted about it 6 minutes after publication. [Quote from archived post, posted by LoyceV]

and theymos cashed their copper membership fee  Roll Eyes



Just came across this post and now I wonder who would put up that post. I mean the timing that Synchronice mentioned is very interesting, the account being set up as a Copper Member is very interesting, and the likelihood that countless of accounts here work on behalf government agencies is quite high, isn't it? Tongue
Interesting "coincidence".

What does "Copper Member" mean? Does this forum have a paid subscription or what? Huh

For a small fee you can set up an account that grants you certain functions a newbie account wouldn't have. That way you can post images, like the account did with the website of the seizure. It's almost granted that this person understands Bitcointalk relatively well if you also take into account the timings, like the setup of the account, the paid Copper membership, the post and the publication of the article talking about the seizure. Could be someone from the investigation team that worked on the Sinbad case.
And yet, theymos claims he was "never" contacted by authorities:


There is no need for anyone to contact theymos to pay that fee. Anyone can do that if they wish.

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and theymos cashed their copper membership fee  Roll Eyes

That was obviously written with a sense of humor.
605  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 02, 2023, 05:51:16 PM
There is a high chance that account FIODNederland is legit because: The account was created 2.5 hours before fiod.nl published this article, and posted about it 6 minutes after publication. [Quote from archived post, posted by LoyceV]

and theymos cashed their copper membership fee  Roll Eyes



Just came across this post and now I wonder who would put up that post. I mean the timing that Synchronice mentioned is very interesting, the account being set up as a Copper Member is very interesting, and the likelihood that countless of accounts here work on behalf government agencies is quite high, isn't it? Tongue
Interesting "coincidence".

What does "Copper Member" mean? Does this forum have a paid subscription or what? Huh

For a small fee you can set up an account that grants you certain functions a newbie account wouldn't have. That way you can post images, like the account did with the website of the seizure. It's almost granted that this person understands Bitcointalk relatively well if you also take into account the timings, like the setup of the account, the paid Copper membership, the post and the publication of the article talking about the seizure. Could be someone from the investigation team that worked on the Sinbad case.
606  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happen if Bitcoin shutdown? on: December 02, 2023, 05:47:40 PM
I don’t think they would have shut it down if they had the power, I’m talking of the government(s) to have done it before now. It is only now that everyone is paying attention to it that some government are also paying attention. I rather think that when Bitcoin was created, it would have been easier to shut it down; maybe the country Satoshi was in could have termed it illegal to put fear in people’s mind. But currently, Bitcoin has become a tree that has its root deep into the soil. It has anchored to different things and people so even if you tried to cut it one root, it still lives.

No, you can sue and punish people for using it if you can prove the case as a law enforcement agency, but the government can't shut it down in the sense that they can literally pull the plug. There are countless of copies of the Bitcoin blockchain and even in the early days the government would have been forced to find every single copy out there, every single download of the blockchain and then delete it. This is what makes Bitcoin so resilient. The most promising way to shut down the network would be to successfully attack the network, hacking private keys and letting the public know that there will be a file dropped in a few minutes where everyone gets access to everyone's keys. That would lead to the price dropping like a rock if it were proven to be true.
Well, attacking the network will be attacking the countries that have adopted it. You know very well that the country you’re working with made Bitcoin legal because they see a potential, attacking it means you want to turn enemy to that country because you’re intentionally destroying something they like. So, no country would do that. Also, think of the bad reputation a country will get for even attempting that. The other countries will likely stare in disgust, maybe not all but most of them.

About everyone’s keys, you have to be realistic though; that’s not even possible. If it were, we wouldn’t have this much investors/investment in Bitcoin because why hoard something that isn’t safe. If what you said were possible, price drop is an understatement of what will happen.

Do you have an idea how much cyberwar is going on? Do you have an idea what North Korea would do if it wasn't for other countries to protect their IT infrastructure? There is one incentive to not do it and that is when a country holds a lot of Bitcoin themselves. Or when a country is an interest in not getting Bitcoin destroyed because it helps them circumventing sanctions. This is what makes Bitcoin more resilient over time because whether different parties or even enemies like it or not, they might have an aligned interest in Bitcoin to not die, or to even increase in value. But if an attack was possible for someone, sure there is potential it would be executed. As if every country wants to be friends with everyone.
607  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - 2nd Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 02, 2023, 05:25:40 PM
It is halftime and St. Pauli is leading 2-0 against Hamburg. This win would be huge for St. Pauli and since Hamburg isn't really into it so far, this one is probably going to end with 3 points for Pauli.

In the other game Schalke has the lead! Smiley But they are experts in flushing leads down the toilet so let's see where this is heading. This game would still not get them out of a the relegation zone, but they are about to keep Osnabruck at distance.

yes yes . and it all turned out differently . the hamburger sv scored 2 goals and in the end it was a 2:2 draw .
the curious thing about this game was that the hsv scored three goals and st. pauli only one . and yet the game ended in a draw .
unfortunately this year fernandes scored with a powerful shot from one metre into his own goal . the goal of the year . you have to watch it on youtube . Grin Grin
in the other game schalke 04 won 4:0 against osnabrück . schalke is now in 15th place with 16 points . schalke will not be relegated .
there are much worse teams in the 2.bundesliga

I watched and commented on that goal already and I said it wasn't as crazy as the media say it was. It is a ball relatively slowly coming back and a goalkeeper hitting it in a way that makes him look very stupid, but in reality this type of goal has not happened for the first time. Frankly, it does inevitably look stupid for the goalkeeper.

But I was disappointed but St. Pauli to tie the game after that 2-0 lead. It has become some sort of meme that Hamburg messes it up to get promoted into the 1. Bundesliga wherever they can. I anticipate that meme to still be of relevance in 20 years from now. Tongue
608  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 02, 2023, 05:22:00 PM
There are some factors that were affecting the transfer of mbappe to the real madrid in the previous seasons.
1. His price
2. Contract

Mbappe was still under contract with PSG and how can mbappe leave to the real madrid easily? I meant if people shall also understand about how PSG was always valuing him so high. This is making real madrid is very hard to get him from PSG.
In fact, real madrid has shown its interest to recruit him but due to his expensive price and perez's interest to recruit him has already collapsed many times. In addition, mbappe has ever made some controversial comments about real madrid as well.

This is also reducing his chance to join in real madrid but the thing that i will always remember is if real madrid representative has ever said that madrid's door is always open as long as mbappe will be coming by himself.

I hope mbappe's move will be real next year. that's gonna be the most awaited news by many people.

Any team that was interested in Mbappe was valuing him very highly, but what PSG did was in fact drive his price up by offering him hundreds of million for another signature for an additional year. That was PSG's calculation. They paid him so much money that he couldn't resist but sign an extension for 12 months. Then apparently Real Madrid knew that the transfer would cost them several hundred million or otherwise it won't happen. The case seems to be the same in the upcoming summer I believe. I am sure we don't know all the details of the new contract, but from what I have heard Mbappe can again freely decide whether to stay or to leave.
609  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 02, 2023, 04:14:44 PM
On bright hide, i hope mixer will make new innovation where they offer non-custodial privacy-enchanting service. Or maybe they should switch business where they fork Wasabi Wallet and run their own WabiSabi coordinator without any blacklist.

Spot on! Talk about killing two birds with one stone.

Why stop at Wasabi though? A Whirlpool coordinator would also be cool, assuming such a thing can be extensible.

But as PrivacyG said this is just the beginning. It has nothing to do with "mixers", it has to do with the government not being able to trace down transactions. And this is where the whole thing we are discussing here doesn't make sense, it doesn't add up. Leave aside the payments from signature campaigns, but if Monero is allowed and if some other form of exchange(s) that essentially enable(s) mixing without calling it that way is allowed, wouldn't it make much more sense to comply with the law by immediately banning any mixing service that has been caught or suspected for facilitating illegal transactions?

It is as if Bitcointalk would be the only place for the Lazarus Group to go and find a mixer because some of the people here wear the signature, but this is so nonsense. And if the idea was that the IRS has less work to do because people with plans to evade taxes now don't know what to do without mixers, how ridiculous would that be?

It would have made so much more sense that Bitcointalk warns mixers that want to advertise their services here, get immediately banned if some strong evidence emerges. Or what about the US glorifying their justice system for the "being innocent until proven guilty policy"? Why can't Bitcointalk also stick to "being innocent until proven guilty" policies and react immediately when a case has been concluded by prosecutors?

Someone drew a comparison between Silk Road I think and how someone was sentenced to life in prison, but come on. Nobody here is trading weapons, drugs, or contracting assassinations. Mixers are one of those things that some will use for good, and some will use it for evil.

I believe that casinos will be the next because everything else would make zero sense. Casinos can be launched with bad intent and relatively low funding, be operated with high risk, ran into the ground and then pull the rug. Advertise gambling with no KYC, and ultimately function like a mixing service.
610  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buying at 35k? on: December 02, 2023, 03:31:15 PM
Yes it's way more complicated than blaming it on FOMO & FUD so you're right about unpredictable reasons why bitcoin's price changes. You're right nobody catches highs or lows perfectly but some ppl who did get it wrong won't invest in Bitcoin again. If they'd invested a different time they could've become believers but they'll invest somewhere like stocks. There's so many topics here about halving it's pushing FOMO to new heights so investors have to be careful.

If ppl can't hodl for long they'll probably try short sales but the flips aren't simple to estimate. It's better than being walked in to falls because of FOMO. If they had a backup they could've cut losses. We don't know how many $60k buyers were at disaster point or how long it's going to take for them to be stable. It's nice when you're profiting but it's opposite when you're making loss so ppl shouldn't invest unless they're satisfied.

Ok but the truth is that this is way more complicated and unpredictable than to just say "losers suffered from FOMO" and "low-to-no winners suffered from FUD". Nobody really catches highs and lows perfectly. But was the decision to buy at 60k wrong if someone truly decided that this is a long-term thing and was fine with the price going down perhaps for a while? The market was heated up, but I couldn't have predicted whether it is definitely about to stop. I didn't think 100k would be impossible.

In plain numbers you are right, someone who bought at 60k is now at a loss - unless that person went for DCA all the way down to 16k afterwards and then up to 38.5k these days. That's why the FOMO guys who lost are really those who went all in on 60k without any backup plan whatsoever for what should usually be deemed a long-term investment. Bitcoin is too susceptible to many exogenous effects to rely on a short-term flip (as very likely many were hoping for).

I fully concur with you and it gets more complicated than that. I shared a post a while ago where they did a breakdown about the wallets that bought all the way down from the last peak to the last low and how it is turning into a net positive, not on the individual level, but collectively. But I still think that the point you mentioned about not knowing exactly about the number of 60k buyers and their sentiment once we get back to that range. Will they turn into selling pressure because they are happy to have made back what they "lost" on paper? Or will they remain or become true believers because they never intended to sell anyway? There are some interesting infographics about that, but I would have to go through my post history and search for the links. I will do that if I find some time and share it here.

Short selling Bitcoin can be fun, but only when you are ok with losing money and consider it gambling. I have my own experiments and burned my fingers a couple of times, but with relatively low amounts just to get a feeling. Leverage is really gambling unless you have inside info or are big enough to move the market yourself. Neither of both applies to me Tongue
611  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: ⚽Bitcointalk Bundesliga Tippspiel 2023/2024 sponsored by sportsbet.io⚽ on: December 02, 2023, 03:25:57 PM
wie schon im engl. sportsbet.io bl-pool geschrieben
das bundesliga spiel bayern - union fällt heute wegen starken schneefalls aus. somit wird der spieltagssieger (wenn nach den 8 spielen keiner einen vorsprung von 5 oder mehr punkten vorweisen kann) erst nach dem nachholsspiel ermittelt
Oha. Anfahrtsweg usw. bestimmt auch teilweise erheblich behindert.
Aber da das Spiel ja ausfällt habt ihr mehr Zeit um das Eigentor des Wochenendes von Heuer Fernandes zu schauen. Ist zwar zweite Liga aber dafür ein Traumtor aus etwa 80cm.
Sehen könnt ihr das unter dem Youtube Link hier. ( Minute 2:27 etwa ) Viel Spaß. Das Spiel endete 2:2 und drei Tore vom HSV  Grin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCaWQQcY6Uk&t=418s



Haha ich habe erst aus 80 Metern gelesen, aber so spektakulär finde ich das Tor gar nicht. Weil der Kommentator meinte, vielleicht wäre es das verrückteste Eigentor der Bundesligageschichte. Also ich kann jetzt keins direkt aus dem Kopf sagen, aber da waren schon einige dabei, die einem durchaus zu denken gegeben haben Cheesy Das hier war doch fast noch ein Klassiker.

Bochum macht ordentlich Druck und vielleicht geht mein 2-2 noch auf. Das würde noch einiges auf den Kopf stellen in unserer Kicktipp-Spieltagstabelle. Mal schauen, ob die Wolfsburger noch zurückkommen.
612  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buying at 35k? on: December 01, 2023, 11:56:31 PM
The $60k buyers who've lost the value of their investments have learned valuable lessons about FOMO. They've followed the curve at the wrong time so instead of double up money they've dreamed of they've lost. Investors shouldn't allow FOMO to replace straight thinking before investing.

For those who thought they'd quickly double up money they needed two month later at $60k, it went wrong. But for those who used money that was only dedicated to a long-term investment horizon, there is already a learning curve as Bitcoin went quite low from $60k and is now on the right path for recovery. With all the news going on about the financial industry getting involved now, I think most longer term investors get a feeling of where this could be going very soon.

Ok but the truth is that this is way more complicated and unpredictable than to just say "losers suffered from FOMO" and "low-to-no winners suffered from FUD". Nobody really catches highs and lows perfectly. But was the decision to buy at 60k wrong if someone truly decided that this is a long-term thing and was fine with the price going down perhaps for a while? The market was heated up, but I couldn't have predicted whether it is definitely about to stop. I didn't think 100k would be impossible.

In plain numbers you are right, someone who bought at 60k is now at a loss - unless that person went for DCA all the way down to 16k afterwards and then up to 38.5k these days. That's why the FOMO guys who lost are really those who went all in on 60k without any backup plan whatsoever for what should usually be deemed a long-term investment. Bitcoin is too susceptible to many exogenous effects to rely on a short-term flip (as very likely many were hoping for).
613  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happen if Bitcoin shutdown? on: December 01, 2023, 11:48:40 PM
I don’t think they would have shut it down if they had the power, I’m talking of the government(s) to have done it before now. It is only now that everyone is paying attention to it that some government are also paying attention. I rather think that when Bitcoin was created, it would have been easier to shut it down; maybe the country Satoshi was in could have termed it illegal to put fear in people’s mind. But currently, Bitcoin has become a tree that has its root deep into the soil. It has anchored to different things and people so even if you tried to cut it one root, it still lives.

No, you can sue and punish people for using it if you can prove the case as a law enforcement agency, but the government can't shut it down in the sense that they can literally pull the plug. There are countless of copies of the Bitcoin blockchain and even in the early days the government would have been forced to find every single copy out there, every single download of the blockchain and then delete it. This is what makes Bitcoin so resilient. The most promising way to shut down the network would be to successfully attack the network, hacking private keys and letting the public know that there will be a file dropped in a few minutes where everyone gets access to everyone's keys. That would lead to the price dropping like a rock if it were proven to be true.
Folks keep using the phrase, "the government". Um, there are 195 countries on this planet ergo 195 governments.
Does anyone seriously think every single one of them would ever work together to remove every single node and piece of mining HW on the planet? Not in this life bub...

I 100% agree with you on that one and in fact I have posted about this I think in the past. There has never been harmonization possible on a global scale when it is about politics, law, economics, trade or whatever you can come up with. I was more referring to this idea that "Bitcoin can be shut down" as if it was possible to pull the plug. No, it is not possible, but that is mainly because there will always be a copy of the blockchain, a node that can't be shut down, etc.

I really think that the only effective action to take Bitcoin down would be to successfully attack it on a massive scale. And of course innovation, maybe one day there is a solution that convinces investors to shift their wealth from the Bitcoin network to whatever that newly emerged, trusted thing could be.
614  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happen if Bitcoin shutdown? on: December 01, 2023, 11:22:43 PM
I don’t think they would have shut it down if they had the power, I’m talking of the government(s) to have done it before now. It is only now that everyone is paying attention to it that some government are also paying attention. I rather think that when Bitcoin was created, it would have been easier to shut it down; maybe the country Satoshi was in could have termed it illegal to put fear in people’s mind. But currently, Bitcoin has become a tree that has its root deep into the soil. It has anchored to different things and people so even if you tried to cut it one root, it still lives.

No, you can sue and punish people for using it if you can prove the case as a law enforcement agency, but the government can't shut it down in the sense that they can literally pull the plug. There are countless of copies of the Bitcoin blockchain and even in the early days the government would have been forced to find every single copy out there, every single download of the blockchain and then delete it. This is what makes Bitcoin so resilient. The most promising way to shut down the network would be to successfully attack the network, hacking private keys and letting the public know that there will be a file dropped in a few minutes where everyone gets access to everyone's keys. That would lead to the price dropping like a rock if it were proven to be true.
615  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 01, 2023, 10:54:10 PM
Real Madrid isn't really underestimating any team. They have also played a solid game against Napoli. Sometimes they are playing the minimum necessary to win the game and for as long as they win the games, what can anybody say against it? They win their La Liga games and they win their Champions League games despite suffering from some injury drawbacks. Solid is what comes to my mind when I think about Real Madrid. That is the difference between them and Barcelona for the time being.
Every single point is important in the League because it could make you lose or win the league so I don't think Real Madrid will underrate any team. Real Madrid has qualified for the Champions League next round, so they will now focus on the La Liga for the main time. I thought that the injuries sustained by these important players such as Eduardo Camavinga,  Vinícius Júnior, Aurélien Tchouaméni, etc, would have a negative effect on the team but it seems that they are even playing better without these players. The club is rich so they can afford to have many players that could serve as backup in cases of injury and suspension. We should also note that Carlo Ancelotti knows how to manage players and they are fortunate to have versatile young players like Jude Bellingham and Rodrygo who can play in almost all the attacking wings of the club.

The last time Granada won a game in the La Liga was August 26th against Mallorca. Which entails that this game can be easily predicted considering the quality of Real Madrid. But in football, there is no certainty, we can only speculate. Granada can decide to pack buses in the defence and target to use counter-attacks. However, we expect Real Madrid to win this game for them to maintain the top spot.  

It is Real Madrid after all and they can cope with injuries against a lot of the other teams. Napoli isn't the best test to see how far Real Madrid can go despite injuries. I think if they have to deal with injuries in a game against some of the Champions League favorites, it might be more difficult for them to get away with it as well as they did against Napoli.
616  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 01, 2023, 09:36:40 PM
Well, it is what it is. What strikes me as very odd is the severity of the ban. It sounds like we can't mention any mixer names even in casual/news/discussion context. Like if next year I wanted to say that some xyzmixer is sketchy AF and should be avoided, looks like I can be banned under the new rules.

I doubt it will be this much; warning about using x mixer isn't exactly the same as "pointing someone" to use it.

If saying "google xyz" is not allowed, I don't see how saying "xyz" in any context would be allowed, unless we think that everyone here is an idiot and wouldn't know you can google things if not specifically told to do so.

Like "hey I found this website xyz, is this legit", happens sometimes on this forum. If this is allowed, it's a loophole that will get abused.

Keep in mind that this is not just about services that are called "xyzmixer" but also sites that are "not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function". This puts a lot of burden on the user having to know if some site they link to or mention might have a mixer function.

This is really the biggest problem because the forum might turn into a place for those being good at acrobatics in legal rhetoric. If two people mean exactly the same and one can get banned and the other can't, aren't we going the wrong way then? Because I think this is what all of this will result in.

Do we get warnings before we get banned? Will everyone be treated the same? Who decides who gets banned for imprecise/dumb/unintended "illegal" wording? And what is even illegal wording because that is again the issue. It will all be about the wording.

For instance, I like to use swapspace.co. Now I have never checked whether they have the word "mixer" somewhere on their website. They don't ask for KYC and I have used it in the past because sometimes it is quick and simple and not too expensive to get some USDT (for example). They also offer BTC->XMR. You can use them to mix coins not in the form of BTC to BTC, but you could use two steps and go from BTC->USDT->BTC.

The worst thing would be that someone really unintentionally uses some wrong wording and finds themselves banned the next morning. I am also wondering whether someone with 5000 merit would be treated the same as someone with 500 merit.

If we go this way, we should have some transparent process and something like a jury because if this is nontransparent and an account can be nuked with one click because not every single word was thoroughly reconsidered five times before the message was sent, it would be really bad. There could be delicate topics and many slippery slope decisions along this way.

The thing is that someone asking for a good and reliable mixer is still not the same as someone asking for a reliable heroin source or for someone who sells automatic machine guns without questions asked. It would totally make sense to ask a community that knows what's going on in the mixing business where to find a reliable service with good experience and lower counterparty risk.

So is Reddit also going to announce free speech restrictions? maybe I don't know enough about Reddit, but they should have probably been taken down before Bitcointalk decides to restrict free speech. You can find all kinds of shit there.
617  Economy / Economics / Re: Elon Musk and the fall of Twitter on: December 01, 2023, 08:12:29 PM
Now our guy Musk is telling advertisers to F*UCK themselves and never come back to Twitter/X
 Here is one source in case anyone of you is curious:

https://www.politico.eu/article/go-fuck-yourself-elon-musk-x-twitter-hits-out-at-fleeing-advertisers/

To me it seems Elon got triggered by the interviewer when he got asked about advertisers and the renevue Twitter/X is missing out/bledding. I don't know about you guys, but to me Elon is not supposed to try and act cocky and swear in public like that, it does not look professional at all.
I know he is trying to go with his typical attitude of eccentric and all-mighty billionaire, buy in my opinion it would be better if he focused in getting some advertisers in and tried to increase the value of the platform, at this pace it may be just matter of time before a serious competition to Twitter appears.

The whole story looks a little different. He said that he will not fall to blackmail, especially if they blackmail him with money... which is expected from him, who has a lot of money. I think he deserves respect for this, at least from our crypto side, he said NO to the system, to the FIAT system. And if you think it's cocky you need to check why "BIG NAMES" started to back out from advertising on Twitter.

I think that Elon is trying to enter the big league by his own rules, and we will see will he succeeds in that. For now, I enjoy watching him fighting about some "traditionalists".

Refreshing to see someone approach the whole Elon Musk saga with a differentiated point of view.

Just look what our friend fmr. SEC Chair Jay Clayton had to say about Elon Musk. I thought he would be ranting about Elon Musk at least to a certain degree, but he took a very differentiated stance on some of the statements Elon Musk made. I watched the entire interview with Musk and as you correctly said, this is not about arrogance when he said "GFY" (as he repeats a couple of times). He explains that there is no reason for anyone to respect people who want to see you dead. Like literally destroyed. He is also making a lot of respectable points that I could not verify, like complying with a hundred millions of regulations etc., but I think this is why the follow up talk with Jay Clayton brings some value here. He did not contradict Musk and I was a bit impressed because the SEC and Musk have a nice relationship with each other Tongue

I liked the part when Musk said that his life is about physics and that is mostly what counts, not whether someone likes him or hates him because when you break physics, it breaks you. Opinions can break without collateral damage. He said if he shoots a rocket to the moon, it all is about whether it explodes or not. That's all people will be interested in once they use a rocket. Not whether he is an asshole. And he has got a point there.
618  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin at its ATH of 2023 so far on: December 01, 2023, 07:29:21 PM
https://www.livemint.com/market/cryptocurrency/bitcoin-surges-2-87-to-its-highest-level-this-year-11701429005470.html

Bitcoin has surged for 2.87% today and reached the highest level in 2023. Does this year has more surprises for us and we can break all time high of bitcoin ?
There's a month left till the end of the year, and this all this progress, Bitcoin is still more than 40% down from its ATH. I don't think it's going to fully recover till the end of the year, and I think it's somewhat early for a proper bullish market. Perhaps we'll just see a new stabilization of the price somewhere around $40-$45k and enter a new phase of few changes of the price. Of course, maybe I'm completely wrong, but I'm just not that optimistic. Another turnback with the price returning to $30k is also completely realistic at this point.

I think many Bitcoiners are spoiled because of those unrealistic gains we have seen during the early days. In reality Bitcoin has made about 130%+ over the last 12 months. Wouldn't that be called bullish for almost any other asset? Taking into account that interests will be dropping as inflation is dropping and that the next halving is around the corner, I am quite optimistic that it would not be wrong to say we are all set up to keep the momentum going. It is just not as realistic to go from 40k to 80k in the same amount of time we went from 4k to 8k.
619  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - 2nd Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 01, 2023, 06:29:25 PM
It is halftime and St. Pauli is leading 2-0 against Hamburg. This win would be huge for St. Pauli and since Hamburg isn't really into it so far, this one is probably going to end with 3 points for Pauli.

In the other game Schalke has the lead! Smiley But they are experts in flushing leads down the toilet so let's see where this is heading. This game would still not get them out of a the relegation zone, but they are about to keep Osnabruck at distance.
620  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buying at 35k? on: December 01, 2023, 05:59:50 PM
I don't know who he is but if his buy was at $16k he's doing well because he's making profit on $38k BTC price. We don't know if bulls will be riding this year but think about ppl who made buys at $60k. Their bitcoin experience hasn't been great so they're hoping for bullish season.

How much did he invest in Bitcoin at $16k?

Yesterday I saw a tweet about Michael Saylor buying 16k bitcoins. Usually this guy buys bitcoin when it's cheap in his opinion. So this could be a good sign for those who bought bitcoin at 35k. Maybe at the end of the year we will see the bulls again.

Their Bitcoin experience might not have been as great if you look at it from price performance only, but it taught them some things about cryptocurrency, market sentiment, all the regulatory complexity coming with Bitcoin, crashes of centralized exchanges and many other important things that can create FUD when you are brand new in the market.

For those who thought they'd quickly double up money they needed two month later at $60k, it went wrong. But for those who used money that was only dedicated to a long-term investment horizon, there is already a learning curve as Bitcoin went quite low from $60k and is now on the right path for recovery. With all the news going on about the financial industry getting involved now, I think most longer term investors get a feeling of where this could be going very soon.

When OP asks whether to buy at 35k when he or she bought at 25-30k, I wonder why someone would fear to buy at 35k and what the initial investment objective was.
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