The problem with that argument is the long periods of deflation in the 1800s when the currency was gold.
Still seeing deflation as a necessarily bad thing, huh? |
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The interesting thing about the gift economy is that it works on the principle of consent, satisfaction and reciprocity
As does capitalism. Free trade. Every time someone says capitalism relies on consent, I die a little. Reading this book would be tantamount to suicide, then. |
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I'm not. I'm not going to kill you simply for disagreeing with me. You, on the other hand, have no problem with paying the people who would kill me for disagreeing with you.
Well you pay your taxes as well - I don't think that entitles me to kill you. Any taxes I pay, I pay under duress. Giving the mugger your wallet doesn't mean you support being mugged. You, on the other hand, gladly hand over the wallet to the mugger, and tell everyone how resisting the mugger is wrong. And if I should refuse to hand over the wallet, you would applaud when he shot me down. I'm glad you've come back to your senses. It would have been a strange turn if I had to lecture you on the NAP and how it applies to free speech. Tsk... You seem to think I have changed my stance. You're still threatening me with lethal force. |
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I'm gonna go ahead and take the time to post something I'd said in a PM or two...
It makes no difference that the choices are called Kill and Trade. Since you do not remain dead, they may as well be Steal and Trade. Calling it Kill is a bit of a red herring, or something. From a game theory view, the most simple but sensible way of playing is to Trade, and Steal from someone who has one or more previously "uncorrected thefts". Once their previous "thefts" has been corrected back to zero, society should resume trading. (There is no "decline to meet: you have been blackballed" response to give to thieves in this game, so your only choices being Steal or Trade, and Stealing against a thief who has been fully "corrected" would be itself unethical, therefore you must trade.) This works in here because it is a perfect information game. In life, thieves typically rely on their ability to have the theft unknown to most if not all parts of society.
Excellent point. If I ever do this again, I'll change "kill" to "steal." And, as to the "decline to meet: you have been blackballed," that's coming in in game two. |
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You are supporting, morally and financially, the use of lethal force against me.
I am here attempting to convince you to abandon this position that puts you at violent odds with peaceful people.
So your view is that I get "convinced" by your argument or else I get killed. Once you threaten to kill someone, you lose the right to "convince." You don't get it, do you? You're the one threatening me! ...snip... When crytoanarchist has said he wants to kill me, you posted that you are in agreement. You follow up by saying that you stand by the statement that you would kill me for disagreeing with you. And that you would attempt to "convince" me to agree with you. I don't believe that you are really a homicidal thug. Its very sad that you think its OK to act like one. I'm not. I'm not going to kill you simply for disagreeing with me. You, on the other hand, have no problem with paying the people who would kill me for disagreeing with you. |
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Am I real?  Are you made of money?  |
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You are supporting, morally and financially, the use of lethal force against me.
I am here attempting to convince you to abandon this position that puts you at violent odds with peaceful people.
So your view is that I get "convinced" by your argument or else I get killed. Once you threaten to kill someone, you lose the right to "convince." You don't get it, do you? You're the one threatening me! Your position is that since I don't agree with you, since I am happy to pay taxes and vote in elections, that gives you the right to kill me. Since I am not alone in these things, there are a lot of people you want to have the freedom to kill. That puts your complaints that you don't want the police and courts to exist in very clear perspective doesn't it?
Hah! Nice try. I never stated a desire for police and courts to not exist. Just their monopoly. |
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Nope, it's just an abstraction. It represents wealth. It's not actually wealth itself. Even commodity money gains a great deal of value from transactional use (the wealth that it represents, as opposed to the wealth it embodies). Which is why inflation is so stupid. It doesn't create new wealth, it just dilutes the representation.
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And in an instant Hawker started to question what he believed in...
Heh. Unlikely. He's far too well brainwashed for that. |
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Freeganism prohibits me from ever touching or spending federal reserve notes, especially on the uselesa consumer goods you can get for free if you try.
By that, I assume you mean the smartphone you're using right now? You didn't get that for free, you bought it with a pretty pebble. Citrine, if I remember correctly. The gift economy is a really neat idea. It was less that I bought, and more like a gift, then I gifted the rock as a thank you. You say poe-tay-toe, I say poe-tah-toe. The interesting thing about the gift economy is that it works on the principle of consent, satisfaction and reciprocity
As does capitalism. Free trade. |
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...snip... Then I would suggest you not advocate support for government mass murder whilst within my reach.  So, for you killing someone is OK if they disagree with you? This is far beyond a simple disagreement. You advocate - and would support financially - the use of lethal force against me. That, I'm afraid, makes us enemies. That's a yes then. You are saying that if someone disagrees with you, you have the right to kill them. OK. Saved for future use. That's a rather broad brush you're painting with, Hawkster. Let me reiterate. This is not a mere disagreement. You are supporting, morally and financially, the use of lethal force against me. I am here attempting to convince you to abandon this position that puts you at violent odds with peaceful people. |
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...snip... Then I would suggest you not advocate support for government mass murder whilst within my reach. So, for you killing someone is OK if they disagree with you? This is far beyond a simple disagreement. You advocate - and would support financially - the use of lethal force against me. That, I'm afraid, makes us enemies. |
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The Japanese have a different view - that the persistence of deflation is harmful to their economy. For centuries, people persisted in the belief that the sun orbited around the earth. Going so far, in fact, as to construct elaborate mathematical models to support that view. Didn't make it true. |
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I don't pay taxes because I'm sickened by people like yourself who have no problem funding the bombing of innocent people. The fact that you think that that has to be faked, just goes to show what a colossal piece of shit you really are.
You see, Hawker, we practice what we preach. So do you, but what you preach is support for mass murderers. Ah the difference between you and cryptoanarchist is simple. You don't believe in use of violence yet its his preferred way of dealing with things. ...snip...
Trust me, Hawker, given the chance I'd choke you to death with my bare hands.
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I'd be sad to see you lower yourself to that level of brutishness. Then I would suggest you not advocate support for government mass murder whilst within my reach. |
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They don't have a problem with addiction to inflation - they have a problem with lack of growth and inflation is the correct way for them to get out of the situation they are in. Inflation will fix their demographic issues? Their oversupply? I seem to have used the wrong product to compare inflation to: That's too much to hope for. But it will help their deflation problem. Let me say this in no uncertain terms: Deflation is not a problem. It is a symptom. Treating the symptom does not treat the problem. |
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I don't pay taxes because I'm sickened by people like yourself who have no problem funding the bombing of innocent people. The fact that you think that that has to be faked, just goes to show what a colossal piece of shit you really are.
You see, Hawker, we practice what we preach. So do you, but what you preach is support for mass murderers. |
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They don't have a problem with addiction to inflation - they have a problem with lack of growth and inflation is the correct way for them to get out of the situation they are in. Inflation will fix their demographic issues? Their oversupply? I seem to have used the wrong product to compare inflation to:  |
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Damn right! We can see bitcoin at work replacing all the payments book keeping bureaucracy with all its fancy hierarchy. Putting people out of equation and letting machines do what they do best. Pure efficiency improvement and I am looking forward for more. One world currency ≠ One world state. If anything, the opposite will apply: the one currency will kill the state. |
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Yes - used at the right time, heroin is fine. Heroin was made as a therapeutic drug and when its needed, its fine to use it. And the same is true of inflation. If its needed, as it is in Japan, then use it. When the need passes, stop.
I can't see why you find that hard to accept.
Except that the governments keep doctor shopping until they find one that will prescribe them infinite amounts of heroin, and the minute one starts to talk about lowering the dose, they fire him and get another. And God forbid a doctor comes along and suggests that Heroin isn't needed at all, that pain is natural, and it tells us when we're doing damage to our body, and we shouldn't just keep using drugs to mask the symptoms. That doctor gets laughed right out of the office. Hmmm. I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Ah, that old chestnut. "Hi I have an idea that is so bad no-one will try it and then I will spend forever crying that everyone ignores me." Of course the junky is going to reject the doctor who tells him he doesn't need the drug. |
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That is right as well. However we do not know the optimal scale for yet unknown future efficiency levels. And the Earth is not that big really.
The necessities of bureaucracy place an efficiency limit that is actually much smaller than even the modern Nation State. They only maintain their large size because they have a monopoly on the use of force. |
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