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601  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Wallet yang Sesuai Untuk Pembayaran Akun Bitcointalk yang Terblock on: June 06, 2018, 10:38:04 AM
seharusnya kalau agan make wallet yang privkey agan pegang sendiri, setau ane sebeerapa besar atau kecil yang pengen dikirim bisa diatur.

ini daftar rekomendasi wallet yang priv key nya agan bisa pegang sendiri (bukan wallet exchange)

https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

seperti yang sudah disarnkan, agan bisa make electronum kalau mau light wallet tanpa mesti sync bergiga giga.
602  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Where can I learn trading ? on: June 06, 2018, 10:31:35 AM
i think site like babypips good for a starter, combine with youtube videos will do u fine. The problem was you only learn as you make mistake. So make a trade whether you gain profit or not that's will become your experience, and that's the best way to learn this thing.
603  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I lost half of my crypto amount! what to do? on: June 06, 2018, 10:22:31 AM
well that's will be a good experience then, we do all that's fomo thing. Just stick to your day job and treat crypto as a part time thingy and forget about your investment. Your crypto maybe will breakeven at some point in few years.
604  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto is not for people who want permanent money! on: June 05, 2018, 10:26:42 AM
of course, it's almost like that's. People rush like crazy because they see it as a gold rush and want to 100x their investment in a span of 1 month. There are some people of course who have a genuine interest like "i come for the tech" people, but how many are that's people
605  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty campaign - waste of time or great passive income? on: June 05, 2018, 10:24:35 AM
you don't know 100% if your participant on bounty campaign will be profitable or not.

I usually do the following to filter the noise:

Join bounty from a well-known manager like yahoo or platform like bountyhive/bounty0x.
606  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Alt Investment for 1 year on: June 03, 2018, 09:54:53 AM
low cap market and low cap price like xvg pre-2016-2017 (price 2-10 sats) have a better chance, in my opinion, to get 100x. Because of the psychology of the market who the majority of the buyer thinks it's still cheap. and of course with the help of the master shill like McAfee that kinda pumps happen. my pick for the next 100x will be xtl/aro. dyor
607  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [DISKUSI] Saran Sub-Forum Indonesia (Rules Thread, OP, Post, dst) on: June 02, 2018, 05:17:33 PM


Saya masih ragu apakah jika ini bener2 diwajibkan bisa bener2 digunakan untuk memberantas spam dan sebagainya karena sels moderasi juga bergantung sama si TS nya. Thread diself-moderated tp si TS melakukannya hanya karena diwajibkan pastinya ga akan efektif. Untuk menjadi efektif para TS harus dengan sadar diri ikut membantu menghapus postingan2 yang dianggap spam tersebut.

Ane rasa kalau nungguin mereka sadar akan sulit, karena udah terjadi begitu lama sehingga seakan2 hal itu lumrah saja. Butuh hal yang bisa "memotivasi" mereka agar bisa peduli dengan thread yang mereka buat. Salah satu hal yang memotivasi tsb diantaranya ya itu:jika ada spam di thread mereka dan mereka gak ngurus thread, diberikan waktu 3-5 hari (masih belum ditentukan teknis dispensasinya) --> jika tetap tidak di urus dilakukan penghapusan thread mereka dan direkam pelanggaran yang telah mereka lakukan.
Menurut ane lebih efektif gini, karena pendapatan mereka akan terancam, otomatis mereka lebih care seharusnya.
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Jadi hal pertama yang harus dilakukan sebelum mewajibkan self-moderated thread adalah mengumpulkan para translator2 tsb dan diberikan pengarahan/masukan agar mereka mau membantu tugas mods dalam menghapus spam posts.

Ane rasa hal ini sifatnya udah peraturan lagi sih bukan waktunya diberikan masukan biar thread mereka rapih, kalaupun sosialisasi sambil jalan aja, diberitahukan lewat Sticky atau disinggung dalam thread tanya jawab forum.



Setuju dengan adanya thread sticky untuk pelaporan.

Sedikit cerita pengalaman ane terkait adanya thread phishing:
Memang di BTT sudah ada tombol report to moderator, sewaktu ane report kemarin ada jeda cukup lama antara pelaporan thread dan penghapusan thread. Wajar ane kira karena om momod juga ga bisa online 24/7. Kalau tidak di self-mod, ane kemarin bisa menulis besar-besar "This is a scam (phishing)!" tanpa perlu khawatir pengunjung thread berikutnya akan terjebak (karena pos ane tidak bisa dihapus). Ane juga sering terbantu dengan komentar-komentar semacam ini.

Akan tetapi ane kira keuntungan dibandingkan dengan risiko dari self-mod ini jauh lebih besar. Risiko penggiringan opini, scam, dsb., masih sekedar hipotesis saja (dan agak paranoid).

yes maklum kalau takut, karena emang ini masalah sensor jg sih, dimana sebenernya bertentangan ama sifat desentralisasi, yang anti sensor. Dan buat hal ini ane rasa gak ada solusinya (kalo DT-2 bisa kasih red trust ke TS, sehingga ada "warning" buat yg buka thread TS tsb), tapi balik lagi ke CB altcoins dimana kebanyakan isinya hanya ANN/BOUNTY thread dimana mereka hanya menerjemahkan thread asli dan yang komen juga kebanyakan spam, dimana buat ngejar postingan signature. Ane rasa untuk saat ini solusi self mod yang paling bisa dilakukan di CB altcoin untuk meminimalisir spam yang ada, kalau masalah phising gak tau deh ya, buat ane pribadi sih emang tabu buat buka sembarang link dan buka lewat bookmark dsb. Mungkin nanti di thread sticky tentang peraturan baru juga bisa di ingatkan bahaya phising karena self mod ini dan bagaimana cara menanggulanginnya, ya mudah-mudahan pada baca rule.
608  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [DISKUSI] Saran Sub-Forum Indonesia (Rules Thread, OP, Post, dst) on: May 31, 2018, 06:17:41 PM

1. Sensor di ANN: posting yang berupa mengingatkan scam, tuduhan scam yang kuat, kritik, dll., lalu kemudian dihapus oleh OP.
2. Sensor di General: posting yang tidak sependapat kemudian dihapus oleh OP.

Kalau saya pribadi sih terkait masalah sensor menyensor sepertinya kalau di lokal Bahasa Indonesia masih gak masalah untuk saat ini, nanti kalau mungkin kualitas posting sudah membaik baru gak usah self-moderation biar gak dituduh sensorsip.

Masalah abuse gak bisa dihindarin gan, salah satu kelemahan self-mod emang pasti masalah sensor,keunggulan self mod itu buat ngapus apapaun yang ada di thread, karena dia yang "menguasai" thread tsb dan self mod ini juga yang nantinya kita harapkan (jika jadi disetujui) memerangi spam yang ada.

Buat teknis nanggulangiinya udah dibahas di atas ane. Selanjutnya jika memang ada abuse dan bukti sudah disimpan, mungkin bisa nanti dilaporkan ke thread index "hall of shame" (belum tau namanya dan yang semoga ada nantinya)
-Abuse translation(menghapus tuduhan menggunakan google translate dan sejenisnya)-lapor di thread index tsb dan cantumkan bukti---moderator lokal ngasih hukuman hapus thread atau ngasih red trust---jika sudah mengulangi beberapa kali ada kemungkinan juga bisa dibawa ke meta / dilaporkan ke global moderator karena telah melanggar salah satu aturan forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
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-abuse tuduhan scam (ini bahkan bisa langsung dibawa ke sub reputation/Scam Accusations)

609  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Ethereum will reach $ 15000 in this year. on: May 30, 2018, 09:58:15 AM
where do you get these number seriously?

If eth 15k $ at the end of years bitcoin price will be like 10x 150k$. Man the market cap will be exploded then. I think that's to optimistic dude, man can dream of course
610  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: do you get a profit buying ico coins on: May 30, 2018, 09:39:52 AM
if you buying ICO for speculation only you will get rekt, invest in ICO that's have a great token economy and team. DYOR about all the fundamental, you most likely you will get profit, especially in a bear market.
611  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to get more profit? on: May 29, 2018, 01:12:34 PM
the freeway to gain "profit" by join as many possible airdrop and do some bounty. If you don't understand TA don't a day trade coin, just hold it.
612  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty hunting - work or a hobby? on: May 28, 2018, 01:55:33 AM
Some of them doing for hobby and some of them doing it seriously, when I said seriously they kinda cheat from some bounty campaign, like multiple accounts. I don't know this ICO bounty will last though, more and more days to come ICO will get hardly an attention.
613  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: what causes the price of altcoin down? on: May 28, 2018, 01:55:23 AM
Man bitcoin wild ups and down cause it all. Imagine if we suddenly go up for about 10% all alts almost will bleed too, people will chase BTC, that's the same if BTC goes down. people will hedge into fiat with selling theirs alts into btc into fiat.
614  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: MB8Coin BOUNTY CAMPAIGN(Jr Member+) (newbies will not be paid) on: May 25, 2018, 02:22:01 PM
Proof of authentication post link:

Twitter campaign
Twitter profile : https://twitter.com/MaxiCryptG

Facebook campaign:
Facebook profile : https://www.facebook.com/joko.andreas.5661

Telegram Campaign : @panjay

Thank you


hi bounty manager, you miss my facebook verification post, kindly update it, thanks.

615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY & AIRDROP] FLYCARE, PRODUCTION STARTED -> $300,000 IN REWARDS on: May 25, 2018, 01:49:59 PM
Week 1 (18/05 to 25/05)

Twitter username: @MaxiCryptG
Twitter profile link:https://twitter.com/MaxiCryptG

Followers: 500
 
Retweet + Likes
1 https://twitter.com/care_fly/status/995375174152343552
2 https://twitter.com/care_fly/status/996110327480832000
3 https://twitter.com/care_fly/status/997924429110939649
4. https://twitter.com/care_fly/status/998486451716272128
5. https://twitter.com/care_fly/status/999942747212664832
616  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BOUNTY PARTICIPANTS DON'T NEED TO PASS KYC on: May 23, 2018, 03:08:32 PM
well, or the project just pay them with ETH or any other tokens besides their TOKEN SALES? More and more project force the bounty hunter to do KYC but they offer another alternative as i said before.
617  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [Q&A] Tanya Jawab Seputar Forum Disini/Ask about this forum here! on: May 21, 2018, 08:40:43 PM


50 merit itu berlebihan gak sih untuk post sekelas ini:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2992259.msg30856756#msg30856756

mengingat dengan yang om manji pernah katakan bahwa sMerit itu hanya Subjektif bukan Objektif

Kalau ngomongin berlebihan atau engga ya berlebihan.

Secara teknis tapi dia gak melanggar. Persoalan merit tidak di moderasi secara langsung dan himbauan dari  thyemos itu sepemahaman ane "encouraging" orang untuk ngasih merit ke post yang highly objective.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

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While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.
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Can I be demerited or lose merit?

No, not currently. Even if your post is removed the merit will still stay.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0
Dan untuk saat ini merit yang udah dikasih gak bisa dicabut alias udah permanen, jadi percuma juga kalaupun protes (untuk saat ini).


Ya mungkin timbul pertanyaan kalau ngasih merit langsung 50 gitu, apakah itu jual-beli merit, apakah tukeran dan asumsi asumsi lainnya yang sulit terjawab kalau gak ada bukti. (tentu aja bakal kena hukuman kalau sampai ketauhan) kalo ane mikirnya sih kepencet aja haha.

Balik lagi apa berlebihan ane rasa memang berlebihan,tapi ya mau gimana lagi, peraturan yang ada sekarang belum memungkinkan dikasih tindakan, merit gak di moderasi secara langsung, merit gak bisa dicabut dan subjektif (ngeliat post 50 merit di atas dan post thyemos yang dapet 50 merit juga), walau sudah di sarankan oleh theymos untuk ngasih yang highly objective.
618  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Do you believe in ICO Ratings? on: May 21, 2018, 06:10:49 PM
It's no a rock-solid rule in my case, you see something like savedroid have a good rating before they pulling their marketing gimmick of exit scams, and after that's the rating goes down, luckily save droid only do that's for an ico. Imagine if that's the thing that's you buy do an exit scam.
619  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do you feel positive about alt-coins on: May 21, 2018, 06:08:08 PM
to this day I think we have like 10 or so Bitcoin fork, at the end only one to coin that has a superior fundamental and of course market will almost favor it. In this case is BITCOIN, I think the rest of the fork will gradully have less value each day passing by. It's the same for alts, if that's thing doesnt have a fundamental behind it i think it will be dead for sure.
620  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [DISKUSI] Saran Sub-Forum Indonesia (Rules Thread, OP, Post, dst) on: May 21, 2018, 07:03:25 AM
Sudah sering saya laporkan, tapi saya rasa kurang efektif karena kurang bikin jera, dan mereka masih bisa nyari proyek baru lagi. Saya masih mengantongi nama-nama translator dan ANN proyek apa yang dihapus sama mod setelah saya laporkan tapi kemudian dapet job baru lagi. Dan lagi-lagi diulangi pake GT.

salah satu rule di forum ini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
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Hukuman jika melanggar rule
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Q: Why was my account banned?
A: You probably have broken one of the rules. Try emailing a message to the specified appeal email shown in your ban message.
mungkin bisa melapor ke global moderator? kalau lihat aturan yang ada di atas kemungkinan bisa para oknum ini ke ban, mereka ini kan telah mengulang-ulang buat thread ann yang di translate make GT, nanti buktinya lewat thread index atau dibuat di forum meta?







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