They certainly are a dream in terms of the ways I've seen people attempt them. I haven't seen anyone actually attempt a viable plan. Sealand may be the most successful, except the problem was there was no economic incentive. Who wants to go live on an oil platform  

First and foremost, I think you'd need to be actually interested to plant a residence on the island. And you'd need to be actually interested in carrying a big stick and offering a big carrot at the same time, while dealing with the claiming authorities.

I agree it is unlikely for the authorities to recognize the sovereignty of a nation formed within its own boundaries, because it sets a precedent and TPTB would rush in to make sure such a precedent can't be attained.

Again however, I think there is nothing TPTB could do if for example Pitcairn Island had an democratic referendum with the vote count overwhelmingly favoring a declaration of increased sovereignty. Well actually Pitcairn is already sovereign. There are no taxes even if you travel outside the island, for as long as you remain a resident of Pitcairn. One issue is that the citizenship and passports for Pitcairn are apparently issued by the British Overseas Territories. If Pitcairn declared that it only would decide citizenship per its new constitution and that it would also issue passports as well as allowing the British Overseas Territories to continue to issues passports as well, then not that much has really changed. I don't think Britian has a case to attack Pitcairn for those issues.

It actually seems potentially workable, but again the best interests of the existing citizens of Pitcairn are paramount because they are the current owners of Pitcairn. We can't be talking as if we would violate their property rights and then expect anyone else to respect our principles.

Thus it is a bit complicated to envision reaching our political goal. But not impossible, especially if we had say 10 guys and their families that were really serious about it and wanting to help Pitcairn. Pitcairn needs investment to improve its access to the outside world (otherwise its youth will always leave for New Zealand).

I am undecided on the Pitcairn option. I wouldn't do it alone. I'd need a group interested in giving it a try. We wouldn't necessarily have to go for the stateless persons extreme. We could just go for Pitcairn citizenship and improve the access to the island then we could spend much of our time off the island and just return there to maintain our residency. But in all fairness to what the citizens of Pitcairn want, we would have to invest in being good islanders that give back to the island also in terms of our presence there (they get lonely) and also to plant children there to liven up the place (the ladies there I am sure miss having children around).

The "free"[1] land was useless to those who didn't work 16 hours a day to make sure they survived the first winter, in Australia's case the droughts.

Nature culls those who are not willing to make their best effort.

It is not the responsibility of the minority to solve every problem for the majority.

Each person has to be responsible for his or her own life, otherwise you end up with complete failure of the human race which is exactly the result of all that socialism bullshit you are doing over on your side of the pond. You don't tie your shoelaces to a mountain when you try to walk!

Notwithstanding that rich anarchists would be proud to provide many opportunities for education, commerce, and apprenticeship to the less fortunate who are willing to work hard. But we won't be giving shit to whining lazy ass prima donnas who deserve to perish.

[1] The government didn't pay your transportation, costs of security, etc.. One can argue the land was worthless and the migrants added all the value.

And in the coming global economic conflagration when your citizenship country cancels your passport to force you home to stop you from avoiding taxation?

And proceeds to quarantine you in a detention camp due to the global pandemic:


Why do people love to convince themselves that they are okay? Is it because most people can't deal with the painful realities?

You are not okay. You are not prepared. You are a sitting duck waiting to be harvested.

Rights are bullshit. You have no rights.

Your only insurance that you can travel is your preparations to be sure you can travel even without a passport.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."— Thomas Jefferson

Ahem. Sorry you are living in a fantasy of your own irrational choice. The nation-states will crumble into a one-world reserve currency and governance as planned/implemented by those owners of the world who will benefit.

I am only convincing those people who matter, because as Linus Torvalds explained well, "most people are morons" and thus they can never understand.

popcorn1 is apparently a prime example because he can't seem to comprehend that rewarding habitual, willful failure is a human eugenics (potentially extinction) paradigm, due to the resiliency that is only attainable with Taleb's Anti-fragility, i.e. not overcommitting to egregious error which all collectives/politics inherently do.

And actually I am not trying to convince in this thread. I am just gathering a poll and feedback on how many people rationalize similarly to myself. Also to brainstorm potential solutions and dismiss non-solutions and impractical ideas.

It is also serves to be an "in your face" middle finger to socialist pigs. I get a kick out of that, but I wouldn't start a thread just to annoy socialists. I need to have some real work achievement goal in mind. This thread is gathering data. Everyone who contributes to the thread is appreciated (popcorn1 included), despite diametrical philosophical and political views expressed.

That research is already cited in my white paper on the correct way to design an anonymity network. Fingerprinting and also internet routing subversion are two of the recent ways discovered to unmask anonymity networks.

The bandaids that are proposed will never entirely solve the underlying problem. I do a paradigm shift on command & control to fix that problem (and any other attack that can be devised) at the fundamental basis. It is similar in a high-level abstraction to how I fixed proof-of-work networks and separately found a complete solution to the expression problem of modularity in software. I am on a roll recently in terms of discovery. The conceptual discoveries are pouring out of me at such a rapid rate, that I can't even keep up with writing them down in white papers.

There are three white papers under construction thus far:

• improving upon on chain anonymity math
• scalable, uncensorable proof-of-work network design (with plugin interface for transaction protocol, i.e. use what ever you like, Cryptonote, Confidential Transactions, or my new on chain anonymity design)
• fixed design for anonymity networks and hidden services (to fix or replace Tor, I2P, and Bitmessage). Perhaps this will be integrated with someone else's work.

Yet no one can work with me   Nevermind!  

Here follows a little spanking for those who think I am not an expert...


Angel investors (even $3000 is enough) who implement the required computer security procedures will receive copies of all the white papers and code ongoing so they can take over if something happens to me where I can't continue. Obviously conflicts of interest prevent me from recruiting certain coveted angel investors who I'd benefit to have advising me and checking my work, e.g. smooth. I offered angel investors (of which there is only one so far who I took funding from and few others who are ready to give funding) a deal where they get more coins per $ invested than later investors.

The required security procedures include to minimally to build a correctly configured air gapped computer.

This means purchasing a 2nd computer that you build yourself and install Linux so that you can be sure it was never connected to the internet nor never plugged into any peripheral that had ever been plugged into any other device. Even one violation of this policy and the air gapped computer is no longer provably secure! A $75 Rasberry Pi 2 can satisfy this requirement and it even ships with the preload N00bs Linux operating system on a microSD card. I suppose a millionaire could afford $75 for an air gapped computer which they should already be using for their crypto wallet! You'd probably want to let someone else order this for you, so some adversary isn't trying to intercept it during shipment and infect it with spyware.

Due to the programmable USB controller firmware (and not being able to reliably determine which USB devices are reprogrammable), then no USB pluggable peripheral (e.g. USB keyboards, mice, flash drives, webcams, etc) can be safely plugged into one computer and then another. For example, your USB flash drive can be reprogrammed to masquerade as both a drive and an undetectable keyboard. The firmware can't even be scanned for malware (spyware) because the firmware controls the scanning of itself! Thus you can not use a USB flash drive to do the sneakernet for transfering files between your internet facing computer and the air gapped computer. I have a solution to this but I will not type it here, because it is covered in one of my white papers and that would surely identify me as the author of the white paper. Mircea Popescu (alias MPEX/MPOE-PR who provided that upthread photo of a naked brown skinned female touching her vagina) recommends an optical scanner solution, but that is highly impractical. I have an elegant solution which I realized by researching the nature of the threat.

Then employing 7zip encrypt/decryption and base64 encode/decode utilities so all data is encrypted/decrypted and encoded/decoded to text files on the air gapped computer and then transferred via the secure method to the internet facing computer and then sent by copy+paste into Bitmessage on the internet facing computer. This is essentially NSA proof, for as long as you always carry the air-gapped computer with you every where you go. Remember the government has secret agents in every city on earth and can't break into your office or home and plant spyware on your computer without you ever noticing. If you are a public figure of interest, you can assume they've already done it.

Never transfer virus capable files to your air gapped computer such as PDF files. No more white papers in PDF formats! Grrr. Any altcoin publishing white papers in PDF format has already admitted they are clueless, inept, or not that serious!

The point herein is we'd like to fall through the cracks and be basically unnoticed.

To that end, it would be much better to replace Bitmessage with an improvement asap (which would also be easier to use and deploy thus more popular and thus a larger anonymity set to fall into the cracks of). With the Bitmessage decrypting from your Bitmessage address key on the internet facing computer, then if the spyware isn't in your air gapped computer but is in your internet facing computer, then your anonymity is gone even though the adversary can't read your 7zip encrypted data. Well then you might as well just use email and 7zip then! So to retain anonymity with certainty, we need to take extra measures.

The first step would be to construct a new internet facing computer which you will not use for any activity except the very focused and limited activity required, e.g. a dedicated, home built, Linux computer with all unnecessary ports turned off, the firewall turned on, and only used for Bitmessage.

The next step beyond that level, would be to build an app that is better than Bitmessage which knows how to interopt with an air gapped computer.

And then other things we can do beyond that in terms of secure hardware and operating systems, c.f. Skycoin's thread as he writes about this frequently...

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Edit: I just noticed this strange post from gmaxwell on MPOE-PR's reputation:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=52741


So I checked out the alleged $7000 theft and clearly it is some attempt to blame the ineptness of the "victim" to use a wallet of his choosing on someone other than himself.

Thus I conclude again that Gregory Maxwell is a closet socialist, control freak who believes the world should operate according to some consumer protection laws.

Individual responsibility is only motivated by not providing a nanny state.

I urge someone to email this to Martin Armstrong and ask him to get a grip on reality. He still thinks the USA and Russia are enemies, lol.


That movie/documentary (is there a vocabulary word?) is accurate to some extent as to the difficulties one can face during an economic collapse and especially in war, but it is not exactly the reality we face, primarily because we must grasp that TPTB (the core most people behind the curtain of those 147 transnational corporations that own and run the world) do not want to lose control of their ownership.

Catherine Austin Fitts' "slow burn" is a more apt abstraction of the reality of the crisis we face.

Rather the goal of TPTB is to eliminate their competition and threats to their economies-of-scale and profits, i.e. those pesky smaller sovereigns (nations, local governments, upstart millionaires, etc) that get in the way of their monopolies. They use the crisis they create in order to grab more power, as you can see they are doing in both Ukraine and Greece now.

Btw, as an aside, one of the programmer/mathematicians I thought I had hired was a 26 year Ukrainian. After I explained to him the computer security procedures I needed him to follow, he went silent and then a few days later he replied he had taken a job with Barclays (for eur3500 monthly) designing high frequency trading algorithms. You see most people are sheep and will willingly work for the enemy doing work that is harmful to humanity.

So one of TPTB's first priorities is to disarm the public. They will use a ratcheted crisis (not a sudden uncontrolled pandemic as in the quoted movie) to send the police and military (and national guard as they did after Hurricane Katrina in my birthplace New Orleans) to confiscate all the guns (both registered and of course unregistered). If you have a registered gun, then they know you have it and the gun control databases will be computerized. I was told in 2006 in Corpus Christi, Texas by a former captain in the police force, that all local police had been deputized by the Feds since 9/11 (meaning the Feds can take over command & control of the local police in a declaration of martial law and instruct them to do what they want).

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amy-schumer-joins-senator-call-tighter-gun-background-check-system-n403206

TPTB know they have a big problem with the militias, so their goal will be to isolate them away from the majority of the population and then divide-and-conquer them. They have to be very careful that they don't allow self-sufficient communities to form due to this isolation. They will label these militias terrorists and this is why they will need the ability to censor the internet. That is why they've been accelerating moves such as the FCC taking control of the internet via executive policy directives such as Net Neutrality. If the militias are too strong, TPTB may have to move to allowing a foreign army on USA soil in order to neutralize the militias. I believe the faux conflict between the USA vs. Russia/China is setup as a plan C for this possible scenario (definitely not the preferred scenario of TPTB because it is very risky).

I believe TPTB are profiling and counting how many truly "take it from my cold dead hand" militia there are, and they will isolate the most extremists ones first and exterminate them as terrorists. They need some excuse to do this action. The problem they realize at Bundy Ranch is the militia will embed themselves amongst women and children, thus the need for control over the internet so the mass murder can be carried out without the eye of the public watching. It may come down to "blue hats" on USA soil as Kissinger promised some decades ago, i.e. that international war can be used to slaughter the militias if necessary (which is also essentially is being done in Ukraine as a preliminary test case, just as they used Katrina a test bed).

Simultaneously they can take out the weaker gun rights advocates by sending the IRS after them, Civil Asset Forfeiture and numerous others means of picking off the weak from the herd to weaken the herd.

So if you talk about one of the most powerful weapons one can give to the local militias, that is an anonymous internet which can't be filtered nor controlled. Not an easy thing to accomplish. First you need the anonymity protocols (and Tor and I2P are broken designs). Then you need HAM radio backup for the internet infrastructure so the internet will always stay on regardless what the Feds do to the internet backbones.

Note according to MA's computer models of repeating cycles, we may see a pandemic starting in 2017 and peaking 2018, and this is a wild card because TPTB may not be able to entirely control the effects of a rapid spread. The severity, death rate, speed of death, and mode of transmission are unknown, so we can't yet estimate the effects. However, maybe we can look to the Spanish Flu epidemic in the early 1900s for clues. The government did not lose control. People became more dependent on the government to enforce quarantines and isolation wards (warehouses filled with sick). You see the government has been building detention camps all over the USA, so maybe they are prepared.

I urge someone to email this to Martin Armstrong and ask him to get a grip on reality. He still thinks the USA and Russia are enemies, lol.


That movie/documentary (is there a vocabulary word?) is accurate to some extent as to the difficulties one can face during an economic collapse and especially in war, but it is not exactly the reality we face, primarily because we must grasp that TPTB (the core most people behind the curtain of those 147 transnational corporations that own and run the world) do not want to lose control of their ownership.

Catherine Austin Fitts' "slow burn" is a more apt abstraction of the reality of the crisis we face.

Rather the goal of TPTB is to eliminate their competition and threats to their economies-of-scale and profits, i.e. those pesky smaller sovereigns (nations, local governments, upstart millionaires, etc) that get in the way of their monopolies. They use the crisis they create in order to grab more power, as you can see they are doing in both Ukraine and Greece now.

Btw, as an aside, one of the programmer/mathematicians I thought I had hired was a 26 year Ukrainian. After I explained to him the computer security procedures I needed him to follow, he went silent and then a few days later he replied he had taken a job with Barclays (for eur3500 monthly) designing high frequency trading algorithms. You see most people are sheep and will willingly work for the enemy doing work that is harmful to humanity.

So one of TPTB's first priorities is to disarm the public. They will use a ratcheted crisis (not a sudden uncontrolled pandemic as in the quoted movie) to send the police and military (and national guard as they did after Hurricane Katrina in my birthplace New Orleans) to confiscate all the guns (both registered and of course unregistered). If you have a registered gun, then they know you have it and the gun control databases will be computerized. I was told in 2006 in Corpus Christi, Texas by a former captain in the police force, that all local police had been deputized by the Feds since 9/11 (meaning the Feds can take over command & control of the local police in a declaration of martial law and instruct them to do what they want).

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amy-schumer-joins-senator-call-tighter-gun-background-check-system-n403206

TPTB know they have a big problem with the militias, so their goal will be to isolate them away from the majority of the population and then divide-and-conquer them. They have to be very careful that they don't allow self-sufficient communities to form due to this isolation. They will label these militias terrorists and this is why they will need the ability to censor the internet. That is why they've been accelerating moves such as the FCC taking control of the internet via executive policy directives such as Net Neutrality. If the militias are too strong, TPTB may have to move to allowing a foreign army on USA soil in order to neutralize the militias. I believe the faux conflict between the USA vs. Russia/China is setup as a plan C for this possible scenario (definitely not the preferred scenario of TPTB because it is very risky).

I believe TPTB are profiling and counting how many truly "take it from my cold dead hand" militia there are, and they will isolate the most extremists ones first and exterminate them as terrorists. They need some excuse to do this action. The problem they realize at Bundy Ranch is the militia will embed themselves amongst women and children, thus the need for control over the internet so the mass murder can be carried out without the eye of the public watching. It may come down to "blue hats" on USA soil as Kissinger promised some decades ago, i.e. that international war can be used to slaughter the militias if necessary (which is also essentially is being done in Ukraine as a preliminary test case, just as they used Katrina a test bed).

Simultaneously they can take out the weaker gun rights advocates by sending the IRS after them, Civil Asset Forfeiture and numerous others means of picking off the weak from the herd to weaken the herd.

So if you talk about one of the most powerful weapons one can give to the local militias, that is an anonymous internet which can't be filtered nor controlled. Not an easy thing to accomplish. First you need the anonymity protocols (and Tor and I2P are broken designs). Then you need HAM radio backup for the internet infrastructure so the internet will always stay on regardless what the Feds do to the internet backbones.

Note according to MA's computer models of repeating cycles, we may see a pandemic starting in 2017 and peaking 2018, and this is a wild card because TPTB may not be able to entirely control the effects of a rapid spread. The severity, death rate, speed of death, and mode of transmission are unknown, so we can't yet estimate the effects. However, maybe we can look to the Spanish Flu epidemic in the early 1900s for clues. The government did not lose control. People became more dependent on the government to enforce quarantines and isolation wards (warehouses filled with sick). You see the government has been building detention camps all over the USA, so maybe they are prepared.

P.S. username18333, yes democracy is a plutocracy and usury is symbiotic with the Industrial Age economics. Both are what I believe will be eliminated by the Knowledge Age, as I have already explained ad nauseum in this thread and in the Economics Devastation thread. This thread is supposed to be about practical solutions to the coming totalitarianism, not a redundant spamming of a pet theory for an anti-money (non-)solution. You can choose to live in your fantasy world of theology and existential philosopy (not to say that isn't interesting or relevant but you are inserting it into the wrong thread). My understanding is that the creator of this thread and many readers would prefer to talk about how to live in this tangible world?

This is actually reasonably well done and somewhat realistic assessment of possibilities in the post-2017 timeframe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8rYaPfFLgo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z85nci7AI2s

I found this because my gf wanted me to give her a movie to watch which would give her some understanding of what we are worried about.

I am not new. I am AnonyMint. And my point to you is that you are shitting in your armchair. How about actually doing something?

The politics will not change. Any other doable ideas?

Moar healthcare is exactly what we don't need.

Rather we need to be armed so we can shoot these deranged people and cull the population of the problem. Much more efficient.

It is mostly the collapse of leverage, leverage that was piled on to fund the extension of the industrial age beyond its useful lifespan. China ate the end of the industrial age and leveraged up to hell with 0 and negative profit margins, and in doing so thus caused a symbiosis in the West that also levered up to avoid making the transition to the post-industrial age.


I believe BTC will rise one more time to $330 - $340ish, this month for a double-top, before the capitulation into lows by end of Q1 2016:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064374.msg12041756#msg12041756

I am expecting double-digit BTC prices for the low.


Agreed.

The chart showed they are highly correlated. It showed their prices always return to agreement. Short-term opposite moves are negated and they move back into sync in their mutual downtrend.

And gold is going to < $700 by end of Q1 2016.

One more trip for BTC up to $330 - $340ish, then down we go.

kLee apologies. My last post here for a while.

And people who waste precious time can expect me to respond to nonsense with ridicule.

Can't you fuckers actually do anything productive to help us deal with the political morass! All you do is shit in your armchair and write nonsense.

Who gives a fuck about some community news! This is a global website with a serious focus.

No we all need to carry guns so we can defend ourselves against nutcases who can always find a way to get a gun.

Guns are banned in South America (very difficult licensing process), yet the criminals always have the guns. This has turned SA into a freak show where the citizens are powerless.

You fucking idiots! When you will ever learn to use your brain stem (if you even have one)  

I have been obviously really thinking a lot about why I bothered to try to find a collaborator and also about why I would vent it publicly as I did.

Doing a Steve Jobs and being brutally frank, I think the problem is I am having so much loss of time from the Multiple Sclerosis, that I didn't trust my sheer will power to "get 'er done". Normally in the past, I was always sure I could put in the hours necessary.

Yesterday I started the day strong as I wrote about, but after about 4 hours the malaise started and the rest of the day was lost. I ended up sleeping by 3pm (after eating and a couple hours of trying to fight the malaise and failing to get any productive work done) and woke up 8pm still in a malaise and even my eyes hurt (this seems to always get worse after I exercise hard, perhaps the inflammation of the exercise stirs up the autoimmunity). Managed to get some work done (reviewing the math for one of my recent epiphanies) but my gut and head are hurting and it just isn't the same as when I was healthy. Normally I would have already finished the white paper and have been doing some coding all in this day. Now it takes me days just to complete what would have taken me only a day.

Some days I feel no ill effects and I perform basically at the same level as I did when I was healthy. But I don't get enough of these days.

I have decided to just push on and struggle and see how much work I complete by the end of this month. If I find that the M.S. is making it unlikely that I can complete the project in any reasonable # of months, then I would strongly consider accepting an angel investor who can fund me to go to Australia to get fecal transplants.

Note I know my illness is correlated to my gut, because the worst inflammation and autoimmunity symptoms always start right after I eat. It is so predictable.

http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-discussion-f1/topic20297.html


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3868025/


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/05/17/gut-bacteria-brain-health.aspx


http://thepowerofpoop.com/carloss-story/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR33CSPNcqk


http://jeffreydachmd.com/2015/05/fecal-transplantation-sweet-smell-success/


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/12/01/excrement-experiment


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4284325/


The two or three times I tried taking K2 supplements, I felt like utter crap after digesting the K2. And now I read how correlated K2 is to intestinal dysbiosis. Regarding the extra veins and shit they mention, I get yellowed jaundice at my abdomen sometimes and also purplish coloring and pindot red blood spots.

http://www.healthline.com/health-news/does-ms-start-with-faulty-gut-bacteria-101914

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Eyeballing it, looks like $325 now. What will the line projection be in September?

Notice also how briefly the price move above the line by roughly $20, so that could occur again.

I am sticking with this line as the most likely strong resistance until after gold has bottomed.

I believe overall (notwithstanding a rise back up to this trend line again before the next down wave Sept or Oct) we are still in a bearish mode due to the external contagion forces. When gold bottoms in spring, then those forces will be alleviated.

Edit: it is also amazing that Bitcoin broke out of its down trend channel from $1100 peak when the price crossed this long-term bullish line.

I am now expecting the double top I referred to upthread. I think we will come back up to test this line one more time.

Collapse of real estate ahead, and with it a collapse of savings and potentially into a mad max world:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35580

Collapse of real estate ahead, and with it a collapse of savings and potentially into a mad max world:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35580