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6021  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How big this market really is? on: January 04, 2019, 06:20:20 AM
There are a lot of transactions through OTC and based on the above article OTC transactions are not reflected in the cryptocurrency market https://coinmarketcap.com/ since there is OTC does not require 3rd party like crypto Exchanges.

I was thinking, maybe there are bigger transactions done through OTC combine, compared to the total marketcap now which is $130,315,196,527 •

What's your thoughts on this?

I'd argue that OTC trades aren't transactions that are worth tracking. If they don't hit the blockchain they aren't influencing suppy, demand, or the price, no? These OTC trades are just the exchange moving bitcoin one paper from one person's account to another. Nothing's been exchanged, it's an accounting adjustment in the IOU that is banking acounting.

The total market cap includes the $24B that Circle claims is their OTC business because the market cap caculation is the number of all bitcoins in existence multiplied by the price per bitcoin. The market cap includes the entire value of any transaction that could conceivably occur and is not a measure of liquidity. The metric you should be using is called "the float" which is the transaction activity that occurs on a daily basis.

Why should OTC transactions be considered part of bitcoin transaction activity if they don't ever leave the wallet they're sitting in?

I don't care what Circle or Coinbase's OTC transaction activity is until it gets so large that it requires they go buy more Bitcoin in the open market over the blockchain (to handle their internal demand).
Thanks for the well explained thought, I know a little about banking terminology as I studied that during collage, the marketcap  includes the OTC transactions because they are still part of the supply, and IMO, the barometer here to determine how big the transaction is hard to determine if done with OTC transactions, Coinbase can make a statement but it's hard to verify it, unlike transactions that appeared in the blockchain.

Unfortunately I don't think there's an accurate way of knowing how much bitcoin is being traded through OTC, besides these companies publicly announcing them.
I know it's impossible to determine the exact figure but I believe it's higher compared to the total amount being traded in all combine exchanges.

What's your opinion?

i doubt that it is "higher". specially not overall.
however it is possible that in certain times the OTC trading volume increased in comparison to exchanges trading volume. for example at times when there are a lot of whales accumulating bitcoin but don't want anybody else find out about it and more importantly they don't want the market be affected by it.
but generally i believe the exchange volumes is still higher.

My opinion on this is that I think whales are accumulating through OTC and dump in exchanges to cause panic, and if they do the same method again and again, this will only makes them more profitable.
6022  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Don't quit investing on: January 04, 2019, 05:42:05 AM
just ignore everybody who said bad on the market. a man understands about crypto will be able to read the real situation whether it is when to hold back and to start buying. When the market in conditions of falling at this time then holds it for big results better than on selling low-value for this time.
It's a bad decision to sell at low price, panic will cause you to sell your coins.

Being smart at this time is really necessary, when you are smart, you will be in control and you will not allow your emotion to affect your decision.
People panic because they lack knowledge on crypto, and that makes them easily absorbed the negative vibes in the market. 
6023  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: No bull run this year?! For real? on: January 04, 2019, 03:46:55 AM
The year 2018 has come and gone without a bull run at Q4.What happened Sequencially over the years makes the crypto looks like a farce,  and not real. 2018 was a major correction year and it happened at a time it was most needed.
Forget about 2018, let's face the current year.
We may not witnessed a bull run last year but this year I believe we will have one, so make sure you are ready to sell
and don't regret again that you got greedy. For this year, I'm sure from dip, we have a little run to come, so keep investing while we are at the bottom.
6024  Economy / Economics / Re: thinking of selling or investing more. on: January 04, 2019, 03:39:10 AM
Whenever the market falls it is that time where one should increase the investment so that you can easily average  the price and on the rise can make more profits as your price would lower down as you will be buying on the lower prices a lot.

You can't easily do that. you are implying that everyone have money to buy a lot when market falls which is not like that in the reality. it's easier said than done, just try it by yourself, have you bought anything when price fall down?
That depends on the coin that you investing, you should choose those who has a good liquidity so you can sell anytime, regardless of the market condition. His technique might work for him but not to everyone as trading requires a lot of practice to ensure you can initiate at the right timing.
6025  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2019 NBA Pre-Season on: January 04, 2019, 03:23:09 AM
Great game upcoming today between Toronto Raptors vs San Antonio Spurs. Here you will see who's the better between Kawhi Leonard and DeMar DeRozan and also who won the team trade of these two.

You guys which team you think wins the trade between Kawhi to Raptors or DeMar to Spurs? And which team will win this match? Moneyline SAS 1.82 (-1.5) vs RAP 2.09 (+1.5)
The Raptors are getting hammered right now, 19-38 at the end of the first quarter.
I think coach pop were able to prepare for this match up, and the Raptors really miss the help of the Lowry and their best Center.

If they can come back and win this game, then I guess they are really a great team, but I believe their chances is very slim.

Live odds is 8.50 for the Raptors now, those who believe can take this.

82-55 for the spurs.

Spurs dominated the entire game. So far has not given the Raptors any chance. A game that could be competitive as a playoff game is just a walk in the park.
I don't count this a fair game because of the missing starters for the Raptors, Spurs just played well at home and they are healthy.
Once the missing piece will be back, then maybe that's the time that they can compete with good teams in the NBA.
Regardless of the score, this is just a one game, next game if possible, the raptors will surely make adjustments.
6026  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum is better than Bitcoin? on: January 03, 2019, 10:10:22 AM
I think that Ethereum better that Bitcoin because it has absolutly benefits. Eth faster, most of all new tokens based on Ethereum ERC-20 standart. Ethereum more popular for transactions and the price of transaction is cheapest than price in BTC.
It's clearly better than bitcoin but bitcoin is the first to gain the attention of the people, BTC is called the king for a reason.
For me, I would not bother comparing both, BTC Is more valuable so I also invest in BTC, as I have invested with ETH and some tokens.
We are in the early stage, a lot of things will happen in the future, more development, and new coins will exist, but this market will just continue to grow.
6027  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 03, 2019, 10:01:16 AM
I hope Eth can return to the price of $ 300- $ 400 USD, because that could be a sign of a bullrun for ETH, besides that if the price of ETH recovers, it will greatly impact the success of the existing ICO.
I'm sure we will see that soon, especially if bitcoin will pump.
When the entire market will pump, that's what we called bullish because it will all turn into green and people again will start
putting their money in crypto. We've seen that many times already and we should remember than also, instead of being unfair that we only remember the bearish period.
6028  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: 🌟🌟🚀[BOUNTY]ATLANT PLATFORM🚀🌟🌟 on: January 03, 2019, 09:55:08 AM
Has anyone already received their ATL token for December after KYC and whitelisting?

No, I didn't.

When have you whitelisted?
This is important because I have passed KYC long before December distribution but whitelisted 2 days after and didn't received my bounty for December.
my friend reciecved bounty for december after he passed kys. everybody who passed kys get their bouty in same second. i believe that through contract.

So he had fulfilled KYC and whitelisted ETH address before distribution.

Like I told you before I had KYC long before December bounty and didn't get paid because I have whitelisted my ETH address 2 days after distribution.
So meaning the amount in the spreadsheet will not get fulfilled because you passed the whitelisting late?
Meaning he will be entitled on the monthly reward starting this month. His reward last month was forfeited since he submitted beyond the deadline.
6029  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stupid money on: January 03, 2019, 09:52:36 AM
Bitcoin is still a very good investment option because I know that Bitcoin still dominates all price trends for crypto, which I think is enough for us to choose to buy it.
especially in the long term, bitcoin is almost an ideal investment tool. in the future it will cost much more
Our purpose is to always sell at profit, some people sell at loses, either they cut loss or they are just frustrated on what happen, so they cash out.
Depending on what we believe, it's necessary to be wise, think of all the possibilities so we will know in ourselves if we are still a believer in bear market times.

When the price falls, no need to think long about the sale. The longer you think, the more losses you can incur.
When you sell, you made a decision to end your journey here.
yeah, I'm talking about a journey because this is not a marathon, it's a slow movement like a roller coaster ride but we aim for a successful investment.
When we see the success, that's the best timing to sell and of course enjoy the reward of your patience.
6030  Economy / Economics / Re: thinking of selling or investing more. on: January 02, 2019, 05:50:06 AM
Continue to invest and hold my current bitcoin i think this is would be wise decission and i should be thinking that if i cannot get profit from short term then why not attempts to hold bitcoin more longer for long term because as most people says bitcoin really good for long term investment and i wish i would not change my mind about this until next several years
yeah that's true , bitcoin suitable for long term investment.at this moment there is still debate about regulations regarding bitcoin and cryptocurrency.and its make new investors doubt to invest their money.
We should learn from the weak hands who regret because they sold their coins at a cheaper price.
You should hold even if you are losing right now, it's still the same amount if you did not sell although the value has decline significantly.
This value is not stable, it will change anytime, so look for the best opportunity to sell and that opportunity will certainly come for those who wait.
6031  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency - future? on: January 02, 2019, 05:05:24 AM
There are lots of possible outcomes in the future, who knows  if cryptocurrency might be able to replace fiat in the future, I mean its not impossible since technology is evolving and so does the economy, and cryptocurrency might be the future's use of having safer and more secured transactions and payments, I can say much more about this but it would really be long and would get much wider if I continue making theories about crypto in the future, all I can say for now is that there will be altcoins that would likely to disappear and new ones will surely come in the market.

Fiat will be not replaced, but the cryptocurrencies will be used widely in all the spheres of our life. I guess that Bitcoin can become even more popular than dollar, and all people will be eager to hold it.

I am agree that crypto will not replace fiat money. Its hard for crypto replacing fiat money because crypto like bitcoin is decentralized. Its more easier for government control their economic growth with fiat money but i do believe crypto future will be good and profitable
I'm fine with both 2 co existing, it's hard to replace what has been built for many centuries, it's the government money against the people's money which is the crypto. And we people is guided by the law and the rules that the government made, so they are still superior after all.

Even if we think this needs to be done because the government is corrupt, we cannot because they have the power.
6032  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 02, 2019, 03:49:21 AM
Ethererum suddenly surpassed 0.0375 BTC around more than one hours ago.
Are there probabilities for Ethereum to hit 0.04 BTC in the first week of 2019?
Yes, because that's what hard fork brings.
Been monitoring the price, now, ETH seems to be moving up and what I noticed is the increase of market cap.




Soon, we will see ETH reclaiming the no. 2 spot.
6033  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Worst year of trading for me damn on: January 02, 2019, 03:21:13 AM
Also happens to me so many times, we sell our coins for many reasons, like avoiding losses, emergency situation and trading to a new promising coins, but always regretting later because the price was pumped, the best strategy for me is to just never looked back anymore after I sold my coin, so I will see and regret selling to early.
Me, I never sell to avoid more losses because a loss is still a loss.
I can sell sometimes because of emergency and although I don't like to do it, but I have no choice, I need to sell since I need money.
We were thinking of the old days where the more we hold the better the chance to increase, but last year was completely the opposite.
6034  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] TenX: Making Blockchain assets spendable on: January 02, 2019, 03:14:09 AM
TenX got ranked #1 coin to watch for this week, due to the launch of the new ERC-20 rewards token.

https://coincodex.com/article/2814/top-3-coins-to-watch-jan-1-jan-6-2019/

We need a working product as they promised on the launch of this project but still no good sign when it will happen. I think these kind of new program won't be helpful for this token to get recover.
Indeed, we must be patient to wait for the product they promised because I also did not know when it happened so I thought there was no choice but to keep waiting and continue to follow the news
We've been waiting all the time, but we need some good results which is the working product, so this project will again rise in value.
The longer we wait, the more the price will go down because the competition in the market is wide.
I know there are still a lot of people who still trusting TenX, I hope they will get their big expectation this year, good to start positive this year.
6035  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Should leave the market? on: January 02, 2019, 02:50:54 AM
A little discussion about the market. Do you have belief in this market? In my country, people are frightening when the capitalization is reducing dramatically, many of whom have drawn out from the market. And some experts suggest that people should only invest in 20 coins which have the highest capitalization, and stay away from the low-capital ones. What is your opinion about this?
I think that would be a bad decision now, we are in bottom almost and next days will be better than 2018 so if you can do, invest more when they dropped again to bottom and hodl it, you will sell them from x10-20 prices in bull season.
Don’t give up your journey in cryptocurrency, just keep on doing what is right and you will get good profit on that. Giving up is not an option and it will never bring positive impact to you. If you are in doubt about the market, just take a rest but never to sold your coins at a loss. Top coins is really a good option for a safe investment, you’d better to invest on that coins when bear market is still on.
Safe investment is not good for crypto, even if it's in the top, the risk is still very high.
The fact that we are expecting a big return, that makes this kind of investment risky, so should you leave the market?

Absolutely no, because you are here investing based on your budget allocation and you should either fail or succeed, that's a real investors with a balls.
6036  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Upgrade on Jan 15-16th (hard fork that does not split the eth coin) Importance on: December 31, 2018, 08:32:56 AM
Like Joseph Lublin of eth recently stated the future is bright (he also stated the bottom is in)
I would believe that we already have bottomed out, the Ethereum 2.0 is interesting, it will bring new hope for people who until now is supporting ETH.
Trust in Vitalik and his team, we are here to seek for success and their update for me is just so timely because bear is gonna be gone very soon, next year is different, we are going to witness bull run after bull run.
6037  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [EON] EXSCUDO - ICO successfully finished! on: December 31, 2018, 08:16:50 AM
I want to know if  Exscudo do have their own blockchain please if they do please can anyone paste the link, most of the things about this project is not open, I have checked their website for it not there. The team need to be transparent to the investors nobody is sure of the amount of tokens in circulation

Never published, now transactions can be seen in the 'chat-wallet' application and in their own exchange
So I wonder if it's one of the reasons EON isn't listed on the coinmarketcap?

You mean why EON token not listed to coinmarketcap or why their own EON exchange not showing there? As for token - CMC have some min requiments (min 10k usd daily trading as I heard) for listing there. And as for exchanges they have some requiments too.
Are they going to list EON to some other exchangrs? Or this will be trading on their own? At last Kucoin would be good.  Undecided

When the excudo exchange is opened the volume is quite high at least 2-4 BTC per 24 hours I think that is enough and is eligible for CMC
But unfortunately not for a long time only a few months.

Btw do you know if you want to be listed on CMC tokens must have a blockchain?
It will be listed once the volume will increase and the best chance is to get listed in big exchanges.
We are still waiting, it's like almost 2 years if I am not mistaken that this has not made us satisfied, I don't want to think that this project will fail.
6038  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ESSENTIA - The Decentralised User Becomes a Reality on: December 30, 2018, 03:28:03 AM
What happen to this project? It has a decent volume but the price has been dump big time.
Started at 844 sats https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/essentia/#charts and now trading at 40 sats, that's a big time loss.
Do you think this token can still recover in the long run?
Trying to add some tokens which are cheap now, I might include this one if I can find a better info about its chances.
6039  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Pundi X - Any store can buy, sell and accept Cryptocurrency on: December 30, 2018, 03:05:28 AM
I think the importance of upcoming AMA session of today has increased to get the view of the CEO of Pundi X live on  facebook in few hours. This start and cancellation of ICO for functionX is going to be main subject of discussion, I guess so. I wasn't supporting that idea of new token the way it just came out. I will be trying to catch up live transmission of AMA of today.
what is the reason for you not agreeing with the cancellation of the Function X project? F (x) tokens will be provided free of charge which holds NPSX and NPSXEM, this is like hardfork and this is also unique
NPSX on binance exchange just 310 GWEI or 10 Satoshi.
I Will take it for hold few weeks and get deviden for token holder.
Need more time to the moon NPSX on exchange because total supply its biggest.
No moon anymore this year, we have already moon earlier this year so let's move one in advance and wait next year.
Also, the 7% airdrop will be over soon, hopefully this will minimize the dump, %2 is still decent , but it will not affect the market much.
6040  Economy / Economics / Re: Very stable BTC dominance on: December 29, 2018, 10:09:01 AM
I think bitcoin dominance remain at 53% because many altcoin in market. Investor right now not just investing their money only in bitcoin. Beside that, many investor converting their altcoin to bitcoin. I think bitcoin dominance should be below 50% because if remain above 50%, its hard for altcoin to grow and cryptomarket too much depending on bitcoin movement
The increase of dominance of bitcoin is bad for the overall market, that means people are selling their alts and buying btc, but it's only a one way success. Just recently, the dominance has dropped a bit when there's a little pump, but when it dump again, the dominant easily increase.
Still, at above 50% dominance rate, I think the market is scary.
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