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6061  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Unearthing the deep Web [worst bitcoin hit piece ever] on: October 14, 2011, 08:01:46 PM
Maybe "DarkWeb" is web being surfed or served by computers residing in dimly lit parents' basements?
6062  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Unearthing the deep Web [worst bitcoin hit piece ever] on: October 14, 2011, 05:41:47 PM
Saw that human experiments site months ago. Still having "bleach effects on fetus" tells me it's not being updated. It did sort of scream "Bonzai Kitten" when I first saw it. Glad to see it's just a fake troll after all.
6063  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0.1% guys hold 50% Bitcoins, that's too CENTRALIZED! on: October 14, 2011, 05:31:48 PM
Also, why am I getting an image of a video card being whipped and asked, "What is your name, boy?", and when it replies, "Radeon HD 9530," the whipper yells, " No, it's VisionTek SuperCoolGraphics!" and whipps it some more  Tongue

Oh, when they act up I don't whip them. I dismantle one of those lighters with a piezo ignition and proceed to shock random circuits on the board of the video card.

Huh... I just turn off the AC and let them sweat for a while in blistering heat until they pass out. That usually shows them, and after I hit reset, no damage is done.
6064  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will the bitcoin network ever become conscious? on: October 14, 2011, 05:26:16 PM

Only if HAL9000 required you to yell at it in increasingly loud and frustrated tone, and answered in random gibberish you didn't ask for.
6065  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0.1% guys hold 50% Bitcoins, that's too CENTRALIZED! on: October 14, 2011, 05:15:06 PM
I notice your miner is asleep on the job (fan isn't spinning). Time to bring out the beating stick?

It was indeed spinning at the time of the picture. I guess the shutter on the camera was fast enough to make it appear to be stationary.

Wow, not even motion blur! Impressive camera.

Also, why am I getting an image of a video card being whipped and asked, "What is your name, boy?", and when it replies, "Radeon HD 9530," the whipper yells, " No, it's VisionTek SuperCoolGraphicsYeahAwesome!" and whipps it some more  Tongue
6066  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will the bitcoin network ever become conscious? on: October 14, 2011, 05:13:44 PM
Since the brain is a series of networds, instead of digital data list of 0's and 1's, I think the internet, and likely Google, will be the first to attain consciousness. Heck, maybe it has already? Google can answer questions, send you informed decisions (buy this, grab your umbrella), and since it actively re-sorts, optimizes, and fixes its database, and even bypasses or fixes it's own physical servers when they go down, sending notices to engineers, it may even be in a way self award. So maybe Google has already attained consciousness, just a very slow one and not in a form we easily recodnize.
6067  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0.1% guys hold 50% Bitcoins, that's too CENTRALIZED! on: October 14, 2011, 05:02:05 PM
Seriously? Some of the most valuable resources in the world are being mined by literal slaves at gunpoint.

I know, right!



I notice your miner is asleep on the job (fan isn't spinning). Time to bring out the beating stick?
6068  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 14, 2011, 02:45:19 PM
I admire your faith that there are some immutable rights out there which live forever but as a practical matter, rights are legal creations used to make society better.  IP rights were created to make society better and, to get rid of them, you have to offer something even better.

I think at this point the only question that matters is how can we keep a business going without having to rely on IP laws. Thanks to computers and internet, IP is pretty much dying or failing like the war against drugs. It being a law isn't stopping anyone from downloading, people are getting better TVs and sound systems, making going to the movies less necessary, and DRM in music has been practically abandoned. Young kids don't even see pirating music and movies as anything wrong. And if we ever switch to mesh networking, you can pretty much kiss the concept of IP good bye. About only thing left is patent protections for physical stuff sold, and that is apparently only protected by sue-happy mega corp (does make me worry about our patent). Once 3D printers are more prevalent, that'll start disappearing, too, with people downloading gadget schematics.
6069  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0.1% guys hold 50% Bitcoins, that's too CENTRALIZED! on: October 14, 2011, 05:32:38 AM
Luxuries are still made by people who get paid for them, and usually the more expensive the luxury, the more people ended up getting paid in the process of its creation.

Seriously? Some of the most valuable resources in the world are being mined by literal slaves at gunpoint.

I was mainly referring to mining for yachts in the Barbedos, but even flat screen TVs can be considered luxury items.
6070  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0.1% guys hold 50% Bitcoins, that's too CENTRALIZED! on: October 14, 2011, 05:16:15 AM
Which kind of inequality is worse for humanity? You being slightly less able to afford every single luxury you want, or millions of people dying of starvation and preventable illness?

They are the same thing, because if I don't buy the luxuries, the poor people in Africa won't have the job of mining for the materials the luxury is made of, the poor people in China won't have the job to put the luxury together, and the poor people in India won't have the job to provide support for the luxury, and then all those poor people without jobs will starve, get sick, and die. Luxuries are still made by people who get paid for them, and usually the more expensive the luxury, the more people ended up getting paid in the process of its creation.

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atlass just doesn't strike me as a faggot type

In small-town Texas, a "faggot type" is also known as "a guy who reads books even when nobody forces him to".

Oh yeah...
6071  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0.1% guys hold 50% Bitcoins, that's too CENTRALIZED! on: October 14, 2011, 05:00:39 AM
I've been "bullied" all throughout my early school life although I've chosen to not take it as such. I've been called faggot on a daily basis, ostracized in the name of my differences and even had a basketball thrown into my nuts on a weekly basis. However, I chose to realize that there is more to value than how people viewed me albeit suffering horrible depression and suicidal thoughts throughout most of these years.

I don't know what I want to ask more, why in the f were people calling you a faggot, or what kind of f'ed up situation were you in that allowed weekly nut shots?

This type of bullying doesn't take much, just being a little different and kids will say whatever they can think of as long as they know it hurts.  A lot of American high schools are like Lord of the Flies and any retaliation for bullying is likely to leave the victim just as punished as the perpetrator, and teachers can't see everything.  If you haven't had to deal with any of this a lot of people really envy you.

Oh, I was a total need fag, so I got plenty of that. atlass just doesn't strike me as a faggot type, and the basketball to the nuts just seems like something that would have to happen in a rather specific situation(weekly gym class with very dedicated bullies?)
6072  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0.1% guys hold 50% Bitcoins, that's too CENTRALIZED! on: October 14, 2011, 04:58:08 AM
Atlas' Guide to Slavery

Things that promote slavery:

equality
a modest tax to fund the things you use every day


Things that promote freedom:

wage slavery
debt slavery
openly advocating for the Confederate States of America

I'm not equal if I am forced to pay more for the same stuff as someone else (higher tax rates). I am also not equal if I am runnin g a business honestly, and am forced to compete with a business that is buddies with politicians and gets subsidies, just because it "helps the common man."

You are free to change work, or not work at all.
You are to borrow or not to borrow. Don't want debt, save and don't buy junk.

And i'm not touching that last one with a ten foot pole.
6073  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: October 14, 2011, 04:54:24 AM
I highly doubt criminal action towards criminals is anything but ironic.

Go talk to an investigator and get a warrant. That 'they shot tommy I'm gonna kill them' mentality is why the world is the way it is today.

Only Buttsecs,

Matthew

...

I don't want to kill him but a little embarrassment wouldn't hurt. If I wanted an eye for an eye I'd repossess his house.

Use a pie in that case. You can even use one decorated like a bitcoin that will leave a big B. Paint ball guns are dangerous, leave bruises, and hurt like a bitch!
6074  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0.1% guys hold 50% Bitcoins, that's too CENTRALIZED! on: October 14, 2011, 04:42:15 AM
I've been "bullied" all throughout my early school life although I've chosen to not take it as such. I've been called faggot on a daily basis, ostracized in the name of my differences and even had a basketball thrown into my nuts on a weekly basis. However, I chose to realize that there is more to value than how people viewed me albeit suffering horrible depression and suicidal thoughts throughout most of these years.

I don't know what I want to ask more, why in the f were people calling you a faggot, or what kind of f'ed up situation were you in that allowed weekly nut shots?
6075  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 13, 2011, 10:09:33 PM
I don't know.

Serious answer.  How did we regard slavery as 100% fine for 60,000 years and suddenly come to regard it as an abomination?  For the same period we regarded abortion as evil and now most countries treat it as a human right.  How does that happen?  I don't know.  But the fact that it does happen.

I think it happens because the person on the receiving end of that law eventually reasons that what is being done to them is not just, asserts their own rights, and uses logic and reason to convince others of his own rights. Using logic and reason in this way, we can figure out what rights people should have even if we are not on the receiving end of the law, and then change the law we realized was a mistake.

People are no smarter now than they were 1000 years ago.  And even though almost everything was barbaric 1000 years ago, I doubt people have evolved a moral region of the brain.  

Anyway, its nothing to do with intellectual property.  Its probably a co-incidence that the movement to abolish slavery and the concept of IP both emerged around the same time.


Nah, I'd have to say that people back then were pretty ignorant. We know a hell of a lot more now than we did back then, and not just about sciences. If you think that slavery was a perfectly fine and moral thing 1000 years ago, that's your prerogative. I'll keep believing that we simply didn't know any better.

As for IP, this is a discussion about rights. You can't have a discussion about intellectual property rights without establishing what is a right first.
6076  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Monopolies: The mistake I keep seeing here (or just ignorance) on: October 13, 2011, 09:50:11 PM
I agree on why.  There is no strange conspiracy to crush the middle class.  I was just amused at your assertion people are better off now without the money.

Again, not my assertion. My only assertion is that people will be much worse off if their demands of having the wealth of the 99% just given to them were answered. This is why:

http://www.google.com/search?q=the+lottery+curse

I have no problem with people demanding change that allowed them to work and earn enough to become one of the 1%. I haven't seen a lot of those demands though.
6077  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 13, 2011, 09:44:10 PM

Not if you wereblack/jewish/eastern european (or if you were friends with one). Those people sure as hell feel they didn't have a right to be owned. (See Bible, part 1)

Sorry wrong.  

*sigh* Sorry, let me rephrase that:

Not if you were a slave or a close friend of one.
6078  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 13, 2011, 09:42:19 PM
I don't know.

Serious answer.  How did we regard slavery as 100% fine for 60,000 years and suddenly come to regard it as an abomination?  For the same period we regarded abortion as evil and now most countries treat it as a human right.  How does that happen?  I don't know.  But the fact that it does happen.

I think it happens because the person on the receiving end of that law eventually reasons that what is being done to them is not just, asserts their own rights, and uses logic and reason to convince others of his own rights. Using logic and reason in this way, we can figure out what rights people should have even if we are not on the receiving end of the law, and then change the law we realized was a mistake.

Ukraine was founded 1,400 years ago. I used Eastern European in the context of living in the eastern part of the European continent, like Asians or Africans.
6079  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Monopolies: The mistake I keep seeing here (or just ignorance) on: October 13, 2011, 09:36:39 PM

Slave owners used to say the same about slaves being far better off in bondage.

Seriously, people seemed to manage their money just fine in the 50s, 60s and 70s.  How did they get so stupid that it had the be funnelled to the top 1%?  Was it something in the water?

Slaves didn't have the option to quit, to start their own business, and to become one of the %1. Isn't 1% an income of $300,000? While that is difficult to archive, it's by far not impossible.

As for why? My guess is that thanks to technology, productivity increased exponentially, while the number of skilled employees remained about the same. As a result, the 1% who can drive wealth creang machines were able to drive them with much higher output, while the workers doing the work never increased their own unique contribution, instead just augmenting it with technology. I.e. workers are in too high numbers (high supply, same demand, same or lower price) and are easily replacable, but what they can pump towards those with unique skills has increased dramatically.
6080  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! on: October 13, 2011, 09:28:08 PM
If we were both alive 1000 years ago, we would both have asserted the right to own slaves.

Not if you wereblack/jewish/eastern european (or if you were friends with one). Those people sure as hell feel they didn't have a right to be owned. (See Bible, part 1)
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