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[evoorhees]

Hmm, so science class could be creation 'science' if the parents and teachers in some school decide so?  greeeat.

Are you suggesting that if a parent wishes her child to be taught creationism, and a teacher wishes to teach it, that such activity should not be allowed?

Such activity should not be allowed...

Although I believe in certain segments of "creationism", I personally don't wan't my kids going to school to learn "theory's".

I want them to go to school to learn facts.

Is that to much to ask?

*Just an observation*

I would never prevent you from sending your child to whatever school you prefer. Why would you prevent other people from doing the same?

I think creationism is pretty stupid, personally. That said, if a parent wants to teach it to their child, that's none of my business, nor yours. Remember also that it used to be a fact that the sun revolved around the Earth.

[ineededausername]

It is not my business or your business but it is the child's business.  The child will grow up to be a delusional sheep, and the child's rights are violated when you teach him/her utter crap as science.

[evoorhees]

What is currently accepted as scientific fact should be taught, alternative scientific theories should also be taught, but creationism has no scientific value at all, and hence should not be taught.  Who decides that? 100% of scientists do.  Foolish, delusional parents should not be allowed to continue the tradition of creationism into the 21st century.

How about this... let the marketplace decide what ought to be taught. Let each individual choose for himself and his children. Allow competition in education, instead of mandating your preferred curriculum upon the entire country.

Mandating (by force) that children learn one thing instead of another is what churches do... and it'd be awfully ironic for you to engage in the same behavior while simultaneously condemning creationism.

[evoorhees]

It is not my business or your business but it is the child's business.  The child will grow up to be a delusional sheep, and the child's rights are violated when you teach him/her utter crap as science.

The child is best served in a competitive educational marketplace, in which theories and ideas are taught based on competitive merit instead of diktat.

[julz]

It is not my business or your business but it is the child's business.  The child will grow up to be a delusional sheep, and the child's rights are violated when you teach him/her utter crap as science.

The child is best served in a competitive educational marketplace, in which theories and ideas are taught based on competitive merit instead of diktat.

I'm not going to get deeply involved in this chat - as we're now pretty off-topic, but
The marketplace you suggest effectively peddles a lie on the unsuspecting child.  The lie is that they are receiving an education that is roughly equivalent to their peers on a national or global level.
Let them send their kids to whatever extra-curricular classes tickle their fancy - but you can't expect a madrassa or fundamentalist christian school to give a proper treatment of modern science *yet the 'customers' (ignorant parents & naive kids) are often unaware of this*.

The theories and ideas which are in the curriculum have already won on competitive merit in the scientific peer-review process.
Regardless of what baloney people want to teach their kids on the sidelines - they shouldn't be able to pretend that their local preaching institution is giving an equivalent and relevant education.

[Portnoy]

The theories and ideas which are in the curriculum have already won on competitive merit in the scientific peer-review process.

+1

[deslok]

hmm.. he's back. And thankfully it doesn't drag on for an hour ( 36 minutes)

http://onlyonetv.com/2011/10/the-bitcoin-show-episode-048-dan-oconnor-running-for-us-congress/

edit: I'm not even 30 minutes in - and already it feels like an hour.

Ouch.. this politician he's interviewing wants to let parents and teachers have more of a say in the curriculum in schools "rather than applying some sort of universal standard"    
-  "No universal standards"  he says.

Hmm, so science class could be creation 'science' if the parents and teachers in some school decide so?  greeeat.

Sorry for throwing the thread back on topic.

1) I just wanted to know why this guy thinks he can still speak for the bitcoin community?

2) Why is he not currently being raped in prison?

3) Has anyone seen or spoken to him at the Occupy Wall Street event?

4) Why has no one on the east coast shot him with a paintball gun?

I'll answer 3 and 4 with people i've talked with have seen him there, and he's not worth my time to take the day off to drive down to that hell hole of a city sorry my time is worth more than that to me, however if anyone wants to pay me standard steel detailer rate to drive down and do so i'd gladly record it(it's that or overtime on saturday for me i'll make the same either way)

[ineededausername]

hmm.. he's back. And thankfully it doesn't drag on for an hour ( 36 minutes)

http://onlyonetv.com/2011/10/the-bitcoin-show-episode-048-dan-oconnor-running-for-us-congress/

edit: I'm not even 30 minutes in - and already it feels like an hour.

Ouch.. this politician he's interviewing wants to let parents and teachers have more of a say in the curriculum in schools "rather than applying some sort of universal standard"   
-  "No universal standards"  he says.

Hmm, so science class could be creation 'science' if the parents and teachers in some school decide so?  greeeat.

Sorry for throwing the thread back on topic.

1) I just wanted to know why this guy thinks he can still speak for the bitcoin community?

2) Why is he not currently being raped in prison?

3) Has anyone seen or spoken to him at the Occupy Wall Street event?

4) Why has no one on the east coast shot him with a paintball gun?

I don't get what Bruce thinks he's getting out of this...

[Rassah]

I highly doubt criminal action towards criminals is anything but ironic.

Go talk to an investigator and get a warrant. That 'they shot tommy I'm gonna kill them' mentality is why the world is the way it is today.

Only Buttsecs,

Matthew

...

I don't want to kill him but a little embarrassment wouldn't hurt. If I wanted an eye for an eye I'd repossess his house.

Use a pie in that case. You can even use one decorated like a bitcoin that will leave a big B. Paint ball guns are dangerous, leave bruises, and hurt like a bitch!

[repentance]

Bruce is asking on Twitter whether anyone has any good photos of the Bitcoin conference.  He says that an "important national magazine" wants them.  While we all know Bruce's propensity for hype, it would be kind of worrying if any significant media did run a story linking Bruce and Bitcoin.

[BitcoinPorn]

I do not think the public has had a successful piece on Bitcoin that had it in a positive light, I say, any publicity, is good publicity.  Smarter people will see through the bullshit, and those people then can decide if they want to try out the coin.

[ribuck]

Are you suggesting that if a parent wishes her child to be taught creationism, and a teacher wishes to teach it, that such activity should not be allowed?

Sure it should be allowed, just not with the taxpayer's dollar.

[Steve]

It is not my business or your business but it is the child's business.  The child will grow up to be a delusional sheep, and the child's rights are violated when you teach him/her utter crap as science.

The child is best served in a competitive educational marketplace, in which theories and ideas are taught based on competitive merit instead of diktat.

I'm not going to get deeply involved in this chat - as we're now pretty off-topic, but
The marketplace you suggest effectively peddles a lie on the unsuspecting child.  The lie is that they are receiving an education that is roughly equivalent to their peers on a national or global level.
Let them send their kids to whatever extra-curricular classes tickle their fancy - but you can't expect a madrassa or fundamentalist christian school to give a proper treatment of modern science *yet the 'customers' (ignorant parents & naive kids) are often unaware of this*.

The theories and ideas which are in the curriculum have already won on competitive merit in the scientific peer-review process.
Regardless of what baloney people want to teach their kids on the sidelines - they shouldn't be able to pretend that their local preaching institution is giving an equivalent and relevant education.

I agree with evoorhees here...you might not like what someone else is teaching their kids, but they have to be free to teach it too them.  This is where crazy ideas (like the world is round) come from.  If we allow a monoculture around education to develop, we all lose.  In a private system, the vast majority of people will put their kids through some accredited and conformist education because that's the path of least resistance to developing the tools needed to be successful.  But we need those alternative perspectives as well...every once in a while, they yield something that truly changes the world for the better.

[Piper67]

It is not my business or your business but it is the child's business.  The child will grow up to be a delusional sheep, and the child's rights are violated when you teach him/her utter crap as science.

The child is best served in a competitive educational marketplace, in which theories and ideas are taught based on competitive merit instead of diktat.

I'm not going to get deeply involved in this chat - as we're now pretty off-topic, but
The marketplace you suggest effectively peddles a lie on the unsuspecting child.  The lie is that they are receiving an education that is roughly equivalent to their peers on a national or global level.
Let them send their kids to whatever extra-curricular classes tickle their fancy - but you can't expect a madrassa or fundamentalist christian school to give a proper treatment of modern science *yet the 'customers' (ignorant parents & naive kids) are often unaware of this*.

The theories and ideas which are in the curriculum have already won on competitive merit in the scientific peer-review process.
Regardless of what baloney people want to teach their kids on the sidelines - they shouldn't be able to pretend that their local preaching institution is giving an equivalent and relevant education.

I agree with evoorhees here...you might not like what someone else is teaching their kids, but they have to be free to teach it too them.  This is where crazy ideas (like the world is round) come from.  If we allow a monoculture around education to develop, we all lose.  In a private system, the vast majority of people will put their kids through some accredited and conformist education because that's the path of least resistance to developing the tools needed to be successful.  But we need those alternative perspectives as well...every once in a while, they yield something that truly changes the world for the better.

Actually, no. You should not be free to teach your kids whatever you wish, because your child's education isn't about you, it's about your child.

The crazy idea that the world is round was a scientific determination made by the ancient Greeks (among others) well before the prevalent, Christian institutions of the early and middle ages decided the Earth was flat. It was the secular, non-religious sectors that succeeded in making the crazy idea the paradigm... but the point is that the idea was only crazy to the institutions of religious Europe, not the Greeks, not the Chinese, not most of the Arab world and so on.

The alternative perspectives you speak of can and should be pursued outside of the education system. The operating notion here is that of the rights of the child, not of the parent. Every child has a right to the most adequate education possible. To suggest that teaching children the world is about 6,000 years old is adequate is ridiculous. That child, indoctrinated into believing the world is 6,000 years old, has had his or her rights trampled on.

We, as a society, defend the rights of children not just because it's just, but also because it's self-serving. Children, as it happens, typically grow into adults. And it seems to benefit us as a society to have adults whose rights were not interfered with while they were children. Funny how that works out.

In fact, at present, every child in North America is suffering because the quality of science education in primary and secondary schools, particularly in the United States, is simply appalling.

[Steve]

Actually, no. You should not be free to teach your kids whatever you wish, because your child's education isn't about you, it's about your child.

So, I guess you get to decide what is taught to children then?  I suppose you are fully prepared to take people's children away and kill their parents to impose your world view as well?  Sorry, but I don't want to live in your murderous and totalitarian world.

PS.  I find it ironic that you seem to support state controlled education and use religious teachings as your justification for it.  It's ironic because were it not for the lobbying of religious institutions in the mid 1800s in the US, we might not have a statist education system today.  Religious organizations lobbied heavily to impose a state run education system precisely because they could use it to force their teachings on people.

[ineededausername]

Actually, no. You should not be free to teach your kids whatever you wish, because your child's education isn't about you, it's about your child.

So, I guess you get to decide what is taught to children then?  I suppose you are fully prepared to take people's children away and kill their parents to impose your world view as well?  Sorry, but I don't want to live in your murderous and totalitarian world.

What the hell!?
Murderous?   

[Steve]

Actually, no. You should not be free to teach your kids whatever you wish, because your child's education isn't about you, it's about your child.

So, I guess you get to decide what is taught to children then?  I suppose you are fully prepared to take people's children away and kill their parents to impose your world view as well?  Sorry, but I don't want to live in your murderous and totalitarian world.

What the hell!?
Murderous?   

A bit over the top, I admit.  

So, if a child isn't being taught state approved material, how far would you be willing to go to force the parents to comply?  Would you take the children from their parents?  Would you imprison or kill them if they resisted?  That's my point.

I think we would do well to have less state interference in eduction rather than more.  The current state controlled system is certainly not working very well.  We don't have to worry that the best ideas will thrive, they always do and we should err on the side of solutions that don't require the use of authoritarian power.

[ineededausername]

I would not go for the parent, I would force the school to change its behavior.

[MoonShadow]

Actually, no. You should not be free to teach your kids whatever you wish, because your child's education isn't about you, it's about your child.

The crazy idea that the world is round was a scientific determination made by the ancient Greeks (among others) well before the prevalent, Christian institutions of the early and middle ages decided the Earth was flat. It was the secular, non-religious sectors that succeeded in making the crazy idea the paradigm... but the point is that the idea was only crazy to the institutions of religious Europe, not the Greeks, not the Chinese, not most of the Arab world and so on.

This is a myth, taught to you by a dysfunctional educational system.  Almost no one believed that the Earth was flat in Middle Europe, certainly not anyone who sailed on the ocean or lived near a coast.  The curvature of the Earth was easily demostrated.  Likewise, the belief that Columbus was trying to prove that the Earth was round was bs.  He was trying to prove that it was smaller than the majority of educated people in Europe believed it to be.  He was wrong and they were right, but he got lucky.

[MoonShadow]

I would not go for the parent, I would force the school to change its behavior.

You would fail.  Public schooling has never been about education.