To the creator: To whom your speak to? Aren't you the one who brought this or just read it somewhere? That means the creator can't sign with the 'r' key, similar to the 1LZtnC7Ck37V9uLGGXFmaVkeaLyzFLvf6W case. This means the creator can't sign from any of the addresses. Only from the one whose public key is equal with the sum of the addresses' public keys. Just think this reasonably; if a malicious guy wanted to prove Craig Wright is Satoshi, why not just give you a signed message from the - 1C7X4UWpSa4GteWHaRBm49fMCC2SNvJQF - which supposedly a Satoshi's address? It'll lure more victims to believe that without writing some bullshit about the second letter of seven addresses. |
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So we can say, that if you can sign with (1LZtnC7Ck37V9uLGGXFmaVkeaLyzFLvf6W) then you have the private key of Satoshi's key.
Yeah. If you knew the private key of - 1LZtnC7Ck37V9uLGGXFmaVkeaLyzFLvf6W - you'd be one step far from calculating this sought after Satoshi's address. It's simple elliptic curve maths. If k1G + k2G = k3G then (k1 + k2)G = k3G → k1 + k2 = k3. Beautiful, isn't it? |
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The Leader of Bitcoin is the Bitcoin Dev Team : Blockstream Nope. Again, there's no leader in bitcoin and by that I mean an entity that affects it in such an intensive way, that if Blockstream moved to another cryptocurrency, the bitcoin community would follow likewise. This kind of leadership exists in Ethereum for example, where Vitalik decided that the community should abandon Ethereum Classic's chain and most of them did. Bitcoin suffers the least from this type of weakness due to its significant ideology. You should actually study Proof of Stake, you would learn alot.
(Go search Cardano or Algorand resources for information, it will enlighten you as to the truth.) I will, sometime in the future, as I haven't studied a lot those two and I'm in favor of not having a biased opinion towards altcoins, but I've seen enough to have my disagreements for some. |
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Can you sign a message with that public key? And the result has been signed. How can one add addresses and sign with the sum/result? I would be grateful if you explained it here with examples. Sorry, let me rephrase my sayings; I can generate bunch of addresses whose public keys once summed with satoshi's public key will give you an address whose private key will be known by me.
Using pooya's way: Take Satoshi's public key: x: 678afdb0fe5548271967f1a67130b7105cd6a828e03909a67962e0ea1f61deb6
y: 49f6bc3f4cef38c4f35504e51ec112de5c384df7ba0b8d578a4c702b6bf11d5f (1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa) And a random private key: 10caf0ec1511da37effb3e4e8de7d217a039e4315a444694af1afccd1073e5a4 Increase the random key by 1 and get: 10caf0ec1511da37effb3e4e8de7d217a039e4315a444694af1afccd1073e5a5 Public key equal with: x: baef4f70d27372f96f5ae699720080fa17a353448af8a67cb49ac7742f31604b
y: a749e7fab667291958f3ddfdbe3c1e739cea5917f04856ddd60f7520ee926fcc If I substract this one with Satoshi's public key I'll get: x: bd0b9e81abc8ed978bc0873b9b5d44e00e889983c60bb722354793df732cb849
y: 1ddce6233aea09569c65b37c2cf6e1dc6d8fb721de29c4abc1053c94c2801b28 (1LZtnC7Ck37V9uLGGXFmaVkeaLyzFLvf6W) Simplified equation: Our known public key - 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa's public key = 1LZtnC7Ck37V9uLGGXFmaVkeaLyzFLvf6W's public key Thus, our known public key will be the addition of those two. But, I know the private key of my known public key, it's: 10caf0ec1511da37effb3e4e8de7d217a039e4315a444694af1afccd1073e5a5 Or in WIF: 5HwgXfRgFjZayTa3Umv8mNFnWBAbjhcDfVyEjc6RKH6vB5kESnr With address: 1J2jrkkXrHp3To3VFDo6QVQKhWQt3L7nDG -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Bazinga!
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1J2jrkkXrHp3To3VFDo6QVQKhWQt3L7nDG
G0gG9OuK8/7bq9pRnymVJQN4O4VznzXx6Gtoy1IeP/UQNFjIVX9Ujy4VxsdH8M/sfViAHTpno8OVrtTq8iM1aH8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- |
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These values aren't connected directly with an address. They construct the signature of a signed message. (Such as a signed transaction)
The signature is consisted of [r, s] and z is the hash of the message we want to sign. The s is created if you combine the message hash (z) and the private key (d). I doubt there's a script to get those if you just give the address, but there must be one if you enter the signature, the public key and the message.
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I am afraid I can't agree with you that Bitcoin is against polity of Salvador. I assume they have dictatorship. If they do, then it's against their polity. What's the reason they would want a currency that distinguishes money from state? This is exactly what bitcoin does. Everything is completely opposite to this, some months ago, Salvador accepted Bitcoin as one of a national currency, so now it is completely legalised there. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The citizens can use a payment method with no intermediates and I find this against their polity. What is more, Salvador is not the only country that buys crypto. The country with the biggest number of Bitcoin on account is Bulgaria. Proof or just assumption? |
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What's the signed message? I can only see a signature and seven public keys. Also, what is this suppose to mean? 2nd chars of the addresses: CWright
1C7X4UWpSa4GteWHaRBm49fMCC2SNvJQF
1W7PDetXCcAbXnN6YQyWmAdz65WZecJs5
1r7VRs5hwFNaqWSMdAGZVoQ7uQhsesRqG
1i7JYfJiXf5ARAysJaRaECLLcnrx1Gcuw
1g7nBFZkyET8TPXBoxzBYA83XPJzwDCVT
1h7djfQ2MjojsRJQdvn6jNuJZZB9oFYLm
1t7MqxnqwmwooDjKnvV9AFkiktqUvvxkq Okay, so you've generated seven addresses whose public keys once summed in secp256k1 give you a public key whose address has bitcoins. So what? I can do this too and form a fancy saying using dozen of addresses whose public keys once summed in secp256k1 will give you satoshi's public key. |
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If you think everycoin not bitcoin is a shitcoin, then you are a bitcoin cult member. Well, every cryptocurrency, besides Monero, that I've dived into was much worse than Bitcoin, so yeah I'll support Bitcoin instead. No need to label it. I'm not into a cult. There's no leader either way. The rest of the pools are irrelevant since the top 4 mining pool overlords can 51% attack at a moment's notice. It's not as easy as you say it is. If they'll ever want to reverse a transaction, the miners will know it. It's down to the miners' decision if their attack is going to succeed or not. The miners receive headers which include the height. Thus, a pool can't attack if the miners are unaware of it. But, again, same thing happens with Cardano. As I said, less than 1% of the ADA users, hold the majority of the coins. What makes you think it's more resistant to a 51% attack? |
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One of the main issue is that it requires users to create long term links which doesn't make sense if we consider that bitcoin transactions are supposed to be "pseudonymous". I don't get it. Do you compare the addresses with the lightning invoices? Yes, addresses are permanent and can be used as long as you have their private key, but you shouldn't reuse them. In the LN, you generate the invoice and give it to the buyer. What don't you like about this? It's far more private than a ledger of transactions everyone can look at. |
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Any sensible person would agree that if a law renders honest people defending their rights criminals, there must be something wrong with that law itself, not people. This is exactly what happens in the extreme scenario where every government behaves autocratically. There's no respect to human rights. |
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2 - Global crackdown on all cryptocurrencies, widespread bans, making anything except centralized and KYCed use illegal, requiring third party intermediaries. Then I'm going to the cryptocurrency most likely to allow me to avoid all that, which is monero. So, you're telling me that, in a global crackdown on all cryptocurrencies, you would use monero even if it was illegal? That you'd rather being a criminal to retain your privacy? |
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I'm not sure if this is redundant or maybe a radical new understanding regarding the linearity of time. It's definitely pessimistic.  |
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What's the point of governments allowing people to use it? So they can tax it and use it as another tool to spy on their citizens, in a way that cash transactions have never let them do before. Which brings me back to this question; What's the purpose of adopting globally this anarchic type of currency if you're going to have this behavior?
There's no reason. Just force me to use your digital currency; that's clear. Why forcing me to use a currency whose purpose is to replace the middleman when I can't use it that way?
They'll have much more control with a CBDC and no need for chain analysis. I'm sure they would try, but monero is inherently more censorship resistant than bitcoin, and therefore more resistant to these kinds of actions. Good luck censoring transactions when you can't see the sending address, the receiving address, or the amount being sent. I don't think I was clear enough. You can remain private as long as you transact with monero, yeah. But, what happens when it's forbidden for the merchants to accept it? Isn't it useless? You said it before; I can hide the fact that I am using Monero by running my own node over Tor and not linking it to my real life identity and all the rest of it, but what can I do with my Monero? No merchant accepts it. I can't use it to buy goods or services. As I wrote, you contradict yourself. |
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Added address balance. Here's mine from this forum: 1BLACKWQ3LHpbh8GFYnarr5mpuJ7xz1v5h and it has: Here's the one with the most bitcoins: 34xp4vRoCGJym3xR7yCVPFHoCNxv4Twseo and it has: You just enter your address after the ?address=.  [abbr=BlackHatCoiner's Blockchain Stats BBCode Depicter][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5366056.0][img]https://blackhatcoiner.com/?address=1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa[/img][/url][/abbr]
I also noticed that the site now works properly. The values are updated each time you refresh the page and I've no idea what changed. |
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There are some things I don't understand of you. You support privacy to the bone, but you're also in favor of using a currency that is broadly accepted. For instance, at the moment, you prefer using bitcoin rather than monero, because its adoption isn't significant. You thought of an example where the governments have made it impossible to use bitcoin privately. In order for such thing to happen, they must behave completely autocratically, especially for shutting down mixers, P2P marketplaces etc. And I'm just saying: What's the purpose of adopting globally this anarchic type of currency if you're going to have this behavior?There's no reason. Just force me to use your digital currency; that's clear. Why forcing me to use a currency whose purpose is to replace the middleman when I can't use it that way? I tried to examine your sayings, but the following doesn't make any sense; At that point, bitcoin will have failed in its objective to be a peer to peer currency without any third party intermediaries. And so I'll switch to monero. I don't think monero will never be a global payment solution, but more importantly, I'll be able to use it privately. And here's my question, again: What makes you think that monero will be your salvation if the governments behave so autocratically towards bitcoin? They'll shut down mixers, P2P marketplaces, they may even censor the transactions that are mined and thus, the ones who confirm them... And they won't deal with monero? They'll make it practically impossible to use it.
You're viewing the government as an absolute entity. That's fine, but I'm just saying that both bitcoin and monero are meaningless that way. |
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Who's saying he is? As far as I know he's their president. Well, he declared himself the coolest dictator. Isn't he? Are you suggesting that it is not going up I'm just saying that bitcoin isn't meant to be taken that it'll constantly rise. It's volatile. Have you forgotten how it's like to be in a bear market? That's all I'm saying. They are mining Bitcoin with volcanos so I am sure they are not keeping Bitcoins on centralized exchange or in Bukele's Chivo mobile wallet  most likely they have some multisig setup. Don't hold your breath. I remember a stompix's post showing that they don't even have a Bitcoin & LN node. (Unless they're running both over Tor) |
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Global adoption and wealth are not necessarily the same thing. They're not the same thing, but a global adoption of an asset you've bought early will increase your passive income. We all want global adoption firstly to be able to use it as a currency everywhere and secondly to be wealthier. However, I'm going to choose privacy, and I've said as much before If it ever becomes impossible to use bitcoin privately, what makes you think Monero will be the solution? Based on what we've said, you should never take Monero seriously. I think you're falling into your own contradictions. |
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You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?
They bought 420 BTC, but I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards. It's a whole country in the central America; their behavior seems like a teenager's who just learnt about the magic of Bitcoin in 2011 and bought bunch. I can't say Bitcoin is the least fluctuating asset at the moment and hence, the greatest investment strategy for a country.
Also, why would a dictator want to promote Bitcoin, a currency which is against their polity?
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How are people growing LN adoption anyway? They educate each other. I myself had no idea how it works, but after couple of reads, I knew. You can lure people in the idea that the transactions are almost free and instant. The lnbook helped me a lot to understand far from basics about the LN and it's updated every week. It's not the subject of late in the wider crypto community, because you can't speculate anything and usually, the majority of the crypto newcomers want to make money. Exchanges (the preferred "wallet" by the majority of users) aren't promoting this tech either. No need to write anything. I'll just quote the message; and there’s almost no high volume Bitcoin services/exchanges that accept it.
Here I think you're wrong, if nothing changed in the last weeks then we have the following popular exchanges accepting LN: - Bitfinex (see here) - OkEx- Bitnovo (leading Spanish exchange) - FixedFloat - Changelly-like exchange - HodlHodl - P2P - Paxful - P2P OkEx and Paxful have added it in the last months, while Bitfinex accepts it since 2019 or 2020. There are a lot of other smaller exchanges and services, see this list (in Spanish) and this website. Kraken seems to be in process of adopting it, although I'm not up to date about the current progress. |
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