هل يمكن ان تُنال الثقة لعضو غير جدير بها؟
اخي كل هده التقيمات هي عبارة عن قرارات فردية مبنية على وجهة نظر اشخاص مجهولين موجودين في عالم افتراضي مما يعني انه لا مجال للشك في نيل اعضاء ثقة غير جديرين بها , والعكس صحيح تماما , ولكن بالمجمل يمكن ان نقول ان نظام الثقة في المنتدى جيد الى حد كبير. |
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ان الحظر تم بدون سبب
احتمالية صحة كلامك موجودة ولكن انا متاكد انها لاتمتل حتى نسبة 1% , يتم حظر مئات الاعضاء يوميا وجميعهم يعتقدون انهم حظرو بدون سبب , السبب الرئيسي والاكتر شيوعا للحظر هوا النسخ واللصق بدون ذكر المصدر , واعتقد هدا سبب حظر صديقك , على كل حال يسطتيع ان يفتح حساب تاني ويضع موضوع في قسم Meta ( لا يمكنه ان يكتب او يعلق على اي موضوع خارج الموضوع الدي سيقوم فه بطرح سؤاله والا سوف يتعرض حسابه الجديد للحظر ايضا) |
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I am not a big fan of discussing very general matters when there is a very specific subject to be discussed , theymos clearly stated this "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you But then he does leave a risked BTC amount which he could not have lost ( assuming my previous theory is correct ) , so this does not seem to me like Theymos put that point for us to follow and for him to ignore, it just doesn't make sense, therefore the only explanation I can think of is that he did not mean that it has to really be "YOU" trading with that member for you to be able to use the risked amount. You can come to whatever conclusion you want...
Indeed, we all can. |
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Why would be bother to confirm a rule that is not ambiguous?
I can confirm it's not ambiguous but then the explanation i presented is the valid one, so for the sake of not totally refusing to consider the other possibility, i will just call it ambiguous and needs to be "confirmed" Here are some of Theymos sent feedback   So unless theymos did trade 100,000 BTC with sirius or 10,000 BTC with gmaxwell then my theory is valid, and I highly do believe these numbers were never actually traded, thus the word "you" there is simply a poor choice of words , or Theymos does not follow his own guideline. |
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I don't have to scammed by you to know you are a scammer, it is pretty obvious that you are a scammer , pretending to sell gears at half price, i would buy every single gear you claim you have through forum escrow, will you be able to send the miners and i send the funds to an escrow agent? If you would do that i will change the ratting to positive, sounds fair?
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بكل تاكيد نظام التقة في المنتدى ليس مثالي كغيره من الانظمة..حتى في حياتنا اليومية.. يمكن ان تجد شخص يزكيه اخوك ويسبه ابن عمك.. شي عادي جدا..
ولكن الى حد كبير نظام التقة يساعد في اكتشاف النصابين.. بالمجمل درجة التقة او الرقم لي يظهر باللون الاحمر او الاخضر لا يعني الكتير..الاهم ان تطلع على التقيمات واتباتها .. في حالة شخص تم تقيمه انه نصاب وبالدليل..يجب عدم التداول معه الا عن طريق وسيط..او الافضل ان لا تتداول معه اصلا.
الخلاصة ان نظام الثقة وجد ليعطيك نبدة عن المستخدم ولكن يجب عليك ان تقوم بدراستك الخاصة حول الشخص الدي ترغب في التعامل معه.
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Your feelings are most likely wrong, i am certain they are two different people with completely different point of views, but the goal might be similar, i do respect both of them, after all , they have every right to protest just as much as anybody else.
In the beginning of CH war against some certain points, i was on his side, it was me and him against suchmoon and a few other DT members ( against each other in opinion) we had a long argument on the subject , i still to this point believe the trust system is not being used the way it should be, CH however went to the extent of attacking individuals and repeating his words on every possible topic he could, this made a lot of members pissed and he got tagged which is very wrong IMO, because CH is a proven asshole but not a proven scammer, the reason no DT supports him despite agreeing/disagreeing with his points is the lousy disrespectful attitude. I went to the extent of PMing some of those who tagged him in an attempt to give him a second chance and calm things down for everyone, but then he choses to call me "untrustworthy and pussy". Can't say i am shocked tho. TL;DT The trust system is far from perfect, but it's not even quarter as bad as CH is trying to make it look , this is a free forum, you don't have to suck up to anybody but you have to show respect and fight for what you believe in reasonable manner ( don't say the same stuff 10 times a day for 6 months coz it is not going to work) Good luck. |
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it seems i am the only one  There is a possibility the above is accurate, anybody with common sense knows that an alleged 80TH for 1.5kw is out of the question, INNO and bitmain will need at least 2 years to make something that effiecent, swiss miner "made" that shit back in 2018, very convincing if you ask me. |
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The usual CH bullshit , if you don't agree with him then you are siding the other "group". And if you really think "Millions" of people give a fuck about you and Lauda then you need to see a doctor, because in reality it's only 10 people at most who care about the trust system to this extent, you need to wake up and smell the coffee.  |
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1. you are scared to counter red marks from lauda when he gives them out to whistle blowers
I have never countered anybody's rating, plus why do you think i go around the forum watching what Lauda does? I could care less what he/she does , unlike you Lauda is the least of my concerns. 2. You said any account seller would be given red then when you saw it was nutildah you ran off
Ran off from who ? Are you nuts? I said what i said it does not mean i am going to do it, i don't tag account sellers unless they are scammers, despite the fact that i don't really disagree with tagging them. 4. LFC aka Laudas Felching Clown admits he is scared of THEY LFC reads a lot of your posts he got that myth stuck in his head thinking that if he didn't follow instructions he would get screwed, it is your fault , i am pretty sure nothing would have happened to him if he ignored Lauda and kept Bill on his list, the best Lauda would do is exclude him from her/his trust list. Mikeywith you only PRETEND to want to do the right thing. I do the right thing according to what i think , and i have no future plans on taking your shit as my guideline. Look at my ratings and trust list, you will see that i totattly don't give a fuck about any of the shit you trying to make me think about. But it is pretty convienet for a someone like you to call anyone you don't agree with a "pussy" just to make your life easier while hiding behind an alt. |
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@The-One-Above-All Do you know what a "myth" is ? I guess you do , but do you know how does it come to existence? repeating it every single day till people start to believe in it. This is exactly what you did "assuming you are who I think you are" , you kept stressing on this very theory for months and despite the fact that I am certain about it being merely a myth, here is the results of your (and your "allies")' actions. 1- Many new comers started to believe in this, they now are really afraid of Lauda and the imaginary gang 2- Some old members are already scared of Lauda thinking he/she has this sort of power that can magically destroy their hard work and end their bitcointalk career. I won't be surprised if Lauda him/herself started to actually think that she/he really does have the kind of power. Long story short, you created this "myth" and you are doing everything you can to make it sound real, and I am afraid that you will make it happen |
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That is the way it's always been done and I don't think someone can come along and say "well, I think Theymos meant this", when the definition is plain and simple.
Am I wrong?
If you read all the points regarding the subject theymos has not mentioned a thing about leaving a feedback to someone "you" haven't traded with, so if this "You" means what you think it does, then we should only leave feedback to people we have directly traded with , but that is not the case , based on this I do think the "You" there does not mean what it seems to mean. Theymos also mentioned that - If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.
which means even if you haven't really risked 50 BTC but just want to make the rating stronger for whatever reason, you can simply use it. on Simple-Language level your theory is right and mine is wrong, but with all the other theories in hand I still think the statement is "poor" choice of words from @theymos ( I hope he does confirm it ) Anyhow, this is why i have always wanted to see a clear set of rules regarding the use of the trust system, at this point everyone's interpretation of the proper use of the trust system is different and this is why we have all the drama going on because everyone can say they are right".
@TECSHARE you are a bit off-topic here |
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انت عضو جديد هنا , والواضح انك اشتريك عضوية كوبر لكي تتمنك من ارفاق صور وتزيل عوائق الرسائل الخاصة والمشاركات وغيرها , ادا اردت ان تحافظ على حسابك فيجب عليك تجنب النسخ واللصق بدون ذكر المصدر , لانه يتعبر سرقة وهوا ضد قوانين المنتدى, انا لست مسؤول هنا ولا اقدر ان اطبق القانون عليك , كلامي هدا نابع من نصيحة خالصة لك ارجو ان تاخدها في الحسبان الان وفي المستقبل.
بالتوفيق.
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Let me get this straight, all i have to do is type BIRTHDAY and I get a DR5 for  when bitmain sell them for  oh , and guess what , magicially it cost exactly 49$ to ship to the U.S via DHL (about 15,000 KM N-W)  same exact amount to china ( about 10,000 KM N-E )  and ! just the the same to ship to Zimbabwe ( 500 km )  @philipma1957 seems pretty legit if you ask me , but to be extra "safe" , ask swisminer guys to escrow the deal for you. |
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فريق العملة هدي نصاب , واي شخص يستتمر فيها فعلى الاغلب سوق يسخر امواله , لقد تم التحدير منها اكتر من مرة , بالنسبة لصاحب الموضوع , اعلم انك في حالة استمريت بالنشر والاعلان لهده العملة الزائفة النصابة سوق تعرض حسابك للتقيم السلبي , ارجو ان تقدم مصلحة غيرك على مصلحتك الشخصية وان لا تعرض اموال الناس للسرقة. هدا الموضوع لمن اراد ان يقرا : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141700.0 |
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ماذا يعني سوق داول اسلامي ؟ يعني لابس خمار ؟ يصلي او يصوم ؟ كيف اسلامي ؟ كفاكم ضحك على عقول الناس , يعني التداول الخارج هدا "السوق" كله مو اسلامي ولا كيف؟ اي مشروع ينتحل اسم الاسلام فهو نصب 100%
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يوجد قائمة أخرى DT3 و الحقيقة لا أعلم عنها الشيء الكثير أو كيف يتم للارتقاء إليها. بانتظار تفسير من أحد الأعضاء لأفهم النظام أكثر.
لا يوجد قائمة DT3 , المصطلح جاء من تحديد "عمق التقة" وافضل شرح له في نظري هوا هنا https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3132360.msg32395594#msg32395594 شرح لما قام بذكره actmyname في اعدادات التقة يمكن ان تختار من 0 الى 4 في حالة اختيارك 0 : يعني انك تتق بتقيمات الاشخاص الموجودين في قائمتك فقط في حالة اختيارك 1: يعني انك تتق بتقيمات الاشخاص الموجودين في قائمتك و الاشخاص الموجودين في قوائهم في حالة اختيارك 2: يعني انك تتق بتقيمات الاشخاص الموجودين في قائمتك والاشخاص الموجودين في قوائهم والاشخاص المجودين في قوائم المجموعة الاخيرة اسف ان كان الشرح معقد واتمنى ان الفكرة وصلت. بالمجمل في راي هوا ان كل شخص يجب عليه ان يضيف الاشخاص الدي يتق بهم فقط ولا يعتمد على التقة الافتراضية , ويمكن ان يضيف افراد من التقة الافتراضية في حالة كان يتق بهم فقط , ليس كل شخص موجود في DT يعتبر موقوق به "من وجهة نظري" وانا شخصيا استعمل عمق رقم 1 مما يعني اني اتق بالاشخاص الدين يتقون بهم الاشخاص الدي اتق بهم. لا يجب عليك "مجاملة" احد في خياراتك للقائمة , وكونك غير موجود في قائمة شخص ما لا يعني انه لا يتق بك. |
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@vb2005 You are still trying to defend siwssminer scam, making it sound like a simple delay when it is pure scam. Anybody with common sense knows this, yet for some reason you are still trying to dig for excuses to make them look less-scammy than what they already are. I understand that you might be saying all this just to comfort yourself and feel less miserable, but what are the chances?? Anyhow by all means, if you think i have been unfair to you, go ahead start a topic and ask other DT members to counter my rating, some of them might think i am wrong and counter my feedback or/and exclude me from DT for misusing this "power" which i am starting to consider not to be a part of simply because of all the drama attached to it. He said he was scammed by www.noordminers.eu but he think the company behind swiss miner m80 is not a scam in other words he is still defending a clear as day scam company.
The funny part is that he puts more effort in trying to convince us that Siwssminer could be legit and he doesn't seem to worry as much about his own reputation. |
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