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621  Other / Meta / Re: Stopping gift card money laundering on: February 24, 2016, 07:15:13 PM
If this is about bitcoins reputation around the web,there are a lot of other areas I would target as well.
Racism,sexism and homophobia are great places to work on if you want to change bitcoin into more of a mainstream tool.

Lending is also a predatory business that mostly goes after the people that are going through a rough patch or are stuck there.
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It's not about non-GC-sellers or those who sell gift cards agreeing or disagreeing. The point here is why punish those who are selling their legit gift cards due to scammers/illegal card dealers. When Amazon/Starbucks have not removed the option to pay with a CC even though many use stolen cards, it doesn't seem logical for the forum to stop all the sales. When people suggested that newbies should not be allowed to post in Digital Goods/Currency Exchange sections, I too opposed that as not all newbies are scammers. Stopping all sales/exchanges doesn't make illegal sales/exchanges stop.

It seems both of you are somewhat off-topic:

@Zeke2345, let's focus on stopping giftcard money laundering for the moment. We can leave the rest for other threads. Feel free to create them if you think they're required.

@erikalui, while I do think we should ban selling gift cards and you clearly do not this is not the subject of this thread. I do agree it's arguable and I don't want to even get into that.
As stated on OP the subject here is stopping the sellers who clearly sell illegally obtained cards. It seems to me you agree on that.
622  Economy / Reputation / Re: EcuaMobi misusing his "TRUST" and bullying selective sellers on: February 24, 2016, 05:48:55 PM
1) I was given the negative trust the same day I opened my thread.
I can't stay 24h/day 7days/week online checking the forum. I happened to see your thread immediately because I was mentioned there and got a PM explicitly asking for my opinion about it.

2) There were about 2-3 more Starbucks threads, open for months now and active that day but none of those sellers were given the feedback.
As I said I can't spend too much time on the forum. Besides until recently I was only after sellers who explicitly admit their cards are hacked or bought with stolen cards. I recently decided to start a campaign against those who don't admit it, like yourself.
More info about the campaign here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.0

"1) I am reselling the gift cards so I am definitely NOT laundering money. Im just buying from somebody and selling it here. Is that not what all physical stores and everybody on earth does? Manufacturer > Wholesaler > Retailer! That's not money laundering.
That just proves you don't even know the origin of your cards. If you don't steal them yourself it doesn't mean they're not stolen. If what you say is true then you're helping the thief/money launderer and people who buy from you are indirectly doing it too.

2) I have never scammed anybody and I am willing to accept escrow for my transactions. That proves that I dont want to and cannot (if escrow is used) defraud anybody.
As I said more than once already via PM: I'm not accusing you of scamming people here. I'm accusing you of selling stolen goods. Someone else was scammed in order to make this business possible.

3) As far as the source of the gift cards is concerned, please think about this:    
      a) Newbies are selling these cards from similar sources.
      b) Everybody here is buying anyways.
      c) Newbies have a risk attached with them that they might, after a few good deals, run away with the money and make a new account.
      d) If I sell the same cards, I eliminate that risk making the community safer in effect.
      e) Its allowed by the forum rules.
I agree it is a big problem. We all must work together to stop it.

I also gave him 15 links including 13 members selling either gift cards, methods to scam companies and cracked accounts and asked him why he hasn't tagged them when those threads are running for months but mine was tagged on the first day! I would like to ask members here, can this just be a coincidence or he's actually misusing his DT status and protecting a selected few sellers? If its a coincidence its a BIG one!

He since has tagged about 3-4 members from those 13 members list I gave him. Not surprised to see that today the exact same members were tagged by the so called "HateLeague" and most of those members have positive trust ratings for each other! Another coincidence?
As I told you via PM I already contacted them. Some have stopped, others haven't replied/been online yet and I've left negative trust to others. Regarding the "coincidence" I already explained it above.
There are too many illegal GC sellers and there's only one of me. That's why I'm asking the help of other DT members. I guess that will also prove I'm not protecting anybody because I couldn't prevent other DT members to tag everyone.
And regarding your crazy accusation of course none of the "HateLeague" is my alt. But fortunately they seem to have joined the campaign.

1) I have already "haulted" my Starbucks sales and told this to EcuaMobi and agreed to lock the thread once he proves he's acting in a fair way and is not protecting some sellers.

2) So, I am indeed not selling anymore. So he finds another thread of mine where I am selling Groupon vouchers and gives me a neg trust for that. Keep in mind he didnt have any issues with that till I asked him to prove himself to be unbias. And if he didnt look at my post history before tagging me, he doesnt deserve to call himself an experienced member. According to me, that will be his escuse to this.

3) So he has the time to bully someone who has already haulted the sales, but cant find time to tag sellers actively selling? That seems more sketchy than the sellers' behavior
No, you didn't really stop. You just temporarily halted and didn't even lock your thread! To make it worse you bumped your other money-launder thread! (http://archive.is/SSnmk). That just made it clear you had no intentions to stop or collaborate with this.

I started warning and tagging others but -I repeat- I can't spend so much time here. I need help.


To summarize:
  • I ask everyone to post your comments about the anti-money-laundery campaign here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.0
  • I ask other users, especially DT members, to join this campaign
  • As bargainbin said: stopping sellers would stop buyers. And I consider selling much worst than buying it, mainly because the seller knows as a fact they're illegal and because they do it a lot of times. Tagging sellers is causing a lot of controversy; adding buyers would cause even more and require even more time, but if other DT members would go that far feel free to do it.
623  Other / Meta / Re: Stopping gift card money laundering on: February 24, 2016, 05:28:11 PM
I think so too. But if you really think about it. This just cant be helped. People would almost always find away to get things their way. Even if that would mean going through the illegal stuff.
True but tagging them would at least make it more difficult to them and/or slow their illegal business and/or at least push their business to another site, protecting somehow bitcoin's reputation.



Sadly I think this is a moot point as some are obviously ok with buying carded CG... which is honestly sad.  It should catch up with them eventually companies do track addresses of where carded items were sent to.
I don't think it's a moot point. If most non-GC-seller trusted users agree it should be stopped then we can reach an agreement and try to stop them. Of course not everyone will agree.
624  Other / Meta / Re: Stopping gift card money laundering on: February 24, 2016, 04:53:49 PM
There is no effective way of stopping only those that sell such cards. This is where the problem lies. Either we ban all gift card sales or we continue with the endless fight (from the staffs perspective).
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I guess a coordinated effort from DT members should have an effect. However, the name is awful.
Personally I do think banning the sell of giftcards would help a lot but it's very arguable I guess. But at least coordinated effort from DT members against clearly illegal carders will help.



So every one will be under investigation by the new forum gestapo or just active sellers?
Be careful that you do not become the issue of the forum by doling out your brand of justice here.
Its a slippery slope and I know a lot of the ole folk use multiple accounts to push things and make people feel stupid for saying contrary.

Having to prove legitimacy is a interesting issue. If I was questioned out of the blue by pm by some one that is not in the transaction,I would tell them to piss off! Its one thing to ask but another to neg rep a person because they do not play your brand of baseball.
Would it not be fair to list all alt accounts and business you transact in as well if you want clarity?
Only those who actively sell illegal goods would be "under investigation". As I said in OP selling several kinds of giftcards for 50% off or similar clearly seems illegal so sellers need to prove it's not. It's not like I'm proposing considering everyone guilty until proven otherwise. If you run a business that clearly looks illegal then you can't just ignore any PM asking about it. If you don't want to be bothered by that kind of PMs then just don't a run any business that clearly seems illegal.



I don't agree that it will hurt bitcoins as mainly CC's are used for the purchase of these gift cards and not bitcoins. Don't get what's hurting bitcoins in all this.
I think it hurts BTC's reputation because if someone new to bitcoin comes here and sees most goods being sold seem illegal then that will reinforce the stereotype "bitcoin is only for illegal stuff".
625  Other / Meta / Stopping gift card money laundering on: February 24, 2016, 12:39:10 PM
During the last few months I've been tagging people who sell illegally obtained (stolen/hacked) gift cards. Until recently I had been doing so only to people who explicitly admit so or when there's no doubt about it. However most sellers won't just admit it, they say "don't worry, they're legit" and that's it. But it's clear selling cards for half the price smells like fraud. I've asked some of them to contact a very trusted member and prove to them (not to me) the cards are legal by presenting some evidence or explaining the method to them after getting their word they won't disclose anything except whether or not it's legal; of course I haven't got any results.

I strongly believe people who sell these illegal cards are hurting bitcoin by making it look like it works only/mainly for illegal purposes. Even if users here don't get scammed, someone else was before in order to make the whole business possible. There could be exceptions like people taking advantage of a promo code known only by a few, or similar; people who sell only one or two cards they got as a gift would be safe too. But those who sell an apparent endless supply of several kind of cards with a big discount and refuse to explain to anybody how they got them must be stopped.

Please let me know what you think. If most trusted users disagree with me or if I get valid arguments against it then I'll stop my campaign against them. Otherwise I'd ask other users -mainly DT members- to help.
626  Economy / Lending / Re: Seeking .05 BTC Loan on: February 24, 2016, 02:07:27 AM
After OP requested it I've sent a unique random code to the PayPal email address he used to deal with me in November. He was able to PM that code.

Therefore I've verified he's managing the same email address. While this is not a definite proof his account was not hacked or changed owner it is very unlikely.
627  Economy / Digital goods / Re: ♕♕♕ Starbucks Gift Cards - 30% - TRUSTED LEGENDARY MEMBER - With Warranty! ♕♕♕ on: February 23, 2016, 09:40:18 PM
How is re-selling (or even selling) an illegally obtained giftcard ...
So you don't think there's anything wrong about illegal things?  Roll Eyes

Don't even bother trying to rationalize it bro  Grin
I do realize it's imposible to rationalize anything with you.
628  Economy / Digital goods / Re: ♕♕♕ Starbucks Gift Cards - 30% - TRUSTED LEGENDARY MEMBER - With Warranty! ♕♕♕ on: February 23, 2016, 09:10:31 PM
EcuaMobi is a joke LOOOOL

Sure. Trying to stop money laundering and other illegal activities in the forum is a joke Roll Eyes

OP please lock this thread if you're really not selling these cards anymore as per our agreement.
629  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT. Member is abusing his powers. on: February 22, 2016, 01:37:06 AM
I do find katerniko1's behavior somewhat suspicius but I think a DT negative trust is too much, especially considering he hasn't got any DT positive feedback from those loans -even assuming those are trust loans-. I would think a neutral feedback would be more than enough, and I'd also ask any DT member to refrain from leaving positive feedback to him in the future for any loan.
katerniko1 could you explain why you're asking for so many loans?

Regarding his identity I think he's completely allowed to try and stay anonymous. I consider only scammers should be forced (as far as possible) to identify themselves.

I don't see the issue here. IIRC, the size of the OP's loans are identical (in terms of BTC) so he is not attempting to borrow more and more money until he is able to borrow a large enough amount of btc to pull a runner.
Well he did ask for more the last time but indeed I don't see a clear pattern to increase his loans over time.
630  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Have BTC and need $200+ PayPal (No fees) on: February 22, 2016, 12:45:49 AM
0.35 left.

I have US$114 in namecheap funds which can be withdrawn to any paypal account. It's not immediate, it takes 24-48h but it's also non-reversible (AFAIK). Let me know if interested (if you don't need the funds urgently).

0.26 sound good? Send me your BTC address.

Sure that's fine.

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Hash: SHA1

Hi xetsr,
Please send 0.26 BTC to my address 1CHcZHS9TbKc34oMG1igN1ojWWP5Z6XNkE and let me know your PayPal address. I'll send US$114.30 there from my namecheap account.
Thanks,
EcuaMobi
2016-02-21
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Edit: Received and sent, thanks. Please let me know when you get it. Should be by the end of Tuesday.
631  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Have BTC and need $200+ PayPal (No fees) on: February 21, 2016, 11:08:27 PM
0.35 left.

I have US$114 in namecheap funds which can be withdrawn to any paypal account. It's not immediate, it takes 24-48h but it's also non-reversible (AFAIK). Let me know if interested (if you don't need the funds urgently).
632  Other / Meta / Re: THREAD CLOSED! on: February 18, 2016, 09:44:53 PM
my account in my possession(my English is Must NOT be confused with anything)
I ask EcuaMobi to tag (since my -ve not visible to everyone) and yes sgornick pasword probably cracked.

I confirm zazarb left that negative trust on S.G. before I did. I added it just because zazarb showed me the thread where he acquired that account and asked me to tag it.
It seems that account was hacked, while zazarb's account wasn't at all.

Still there's no reason to refuse using escrow for any amount, especially if the other party explicitly asks.
633  Economy / Lending / Re: looking for 0.07 btc loan on: February 18, 2016, 05:21:15 PM
Read this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.0

If you don't either close and lock this thread or offer valid collateral you'll get negative trust in a few minutes.
634  Economy / Reputation / Re: Chilipowder loaving positive trust for his alt on: February 17, 2016, 02:59:33 AM
hamza171 hasn't been online for more than a year now but ChiliPowder has. This does look a very untrustworthy behavior. I've asked them to reply and I've added negative trust. I'll remove or edit it if if required after they reply.
635  Other / Meta / Re: Can i pay people for using my referal link? on: February 04, 2016, 06:01:38 PM
I've seen threads that publish a ref link and offer to pay those to click it get deleted because of ref spam. That's because whatever excuse users give those posts were created to promote ref links.

If you create a thread in services offering people to pay them to click a ref link but do not post the link itself then you should be fine. You can include the link in your signature or ask them to PM you if interested and reply with the link.
636  Economy / Auctions / Re: .com domains ★ Starting at $5 - $15 ★ PrimeFaucet • GavinCoin • XBTbids • ... on: February 02, 2016, 08:14:28 PM
Last bump.
This will be closed in 48h if there's no bids.
637  Other / Meta / Re: FEEDBACK on: February 02, 2016, 12:42:31 PM
I tried with Mobi and he refused to do so, he told me to delete the posts, but when I try to, it says you have not the right to delete your posts in your category thats why I want help from moderators.

I never meant you to delete all your posts. I just asked you to at least stop doing what got you that negative trust. That is edit the threads referenced on your negative trust,  add "Closed" on the subject, remove any links and lock them. Removing all the fake/retaliation feedback you've left would help too.

It's absurd to ask this feedback to be removed while you're still doing it. Once you truly stop I may reconsider changing it to neutral after some time, at least 2-3 months.
638  Economy / Auctions / Re: .com domains ★ Starting at $5 - $15 ★ PrimeFaucet • GavinCoin • XBTbids • ... on: January 25, 2016, 02:28:21 PM
Still available.
639  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: BTC.SURF ❤ DOUBLE YOUR BITCOIN'S IN 96 HOURS ❤ NEW 2016 on: January 21, 2016, 05:56:36 PM
I have been receiving payments every hour or so since I invested. 19 payments per investment so far...

We are glad that you are receiving everything on time.
Thank you for the support.

Not sure why they have marked you red. This is obviously a ponzi and everyone here knows the risks right? Get in and get some profit before it is too late!!!!!!!

I've marked him red because:

  • His account was bought so a Hero member could run this. Therefore he seems to try to look more trustworthy than he is.
  • Trusted members (i.e. you) are promoting it without stating it's for your own benefit rather than an honest advice to invest.
  • It's not explicitly promoted as a ponzi. It's redacted as if the hourly reward is safe which is not true.
  • These points can mislead newbies into thinking it's an investment. The feedback is to make sure they know the risk and the fact there's a big risk OP could run away with their money even before the ponzi collapses; and it's guaranteed it will collapse, even if he doesn't run away before that.
640  Economy / Auctions / Re: .com domains ★ Starting at $5 - $15 ★ PrimeFaucet • GavinCoin • XBTbids • ... on: January 21, 2016, 05:18:47 PM
Still available:

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BitcoinInn.com - Perfect for a directory of bitcoin-accepting inns, hotels and accommodation
BitcoinPizzaDay.com - The exact match for the popular "Bitcoin Pizza Day"
BitDescuentos.com - Great for a store in Spanish
BitHashie.com
BitOfertas.com - Great for a store in Spanish
BitTienda.com - Great for a store in Spanish
BuyHashes.com
DigDoges.com - Dogecoin pool
DogeBids.com - Doge-accepting auction site
DogeStats.com
GavinCoin.com - Gavin's coin
GetHashes.com
PrimeFaucet.com - Perfect for a faucet!
XBTbids.com - Bitcoin auction site
Bitcoïn.com - Bitcoin site in French
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