EcuaMobi misusing his "TRUST" and bullying selective sellers

[kashish948]

Hi

So I started a thread for selling Starbucks Gift Cards and got a "Money Laundering" negative feedback on my account on February 22, 2016 by EcuaMobi.

Some important facts about it:

1) I was given the negative trust the same day I opened my thread.
2) There were about 2-3 more Starbucks threads, open for months now and active that day but none of those sellers were given the feedback.



So I messaged EcuaMobi and explained him why he should take back the negative trust. A part of the message I sent him was this:

"1) I am reselling the gift cards so I am definitely NOT laundering money. Im just buying from somebody and selling it here. Is that not what all physical stores and everybody on earth does? Manufacturer > Wholesaler > Retailer! That's not money laundering.

2) I have never scammed anybody and I am willing to accept escrow for my transactions. That proves that I dont want to and cannot (if escrow is used) defraud anybody.

3) As far as the source of the gift cards is concerned, please think about this:
     
      a) Newbies are selling these cards from similar sources.
      b) Everybody here is buying anyways.
      c) Newbies have a risk attached with them that they might, after a few good deals, run away with the money and make a new account.
      d) If I sell the same cards, I eliminate that risk making the community safer in effect.
      e) Its allowed by the forum rules.

So please think about it and kindly remove your negative feedback fro my trust. Waiting for your reply "

I would like to ask other members (especially on DT), to think about the above statements and tell me if they are wrong!
Also, according to me the first 2 points prove that his allegations about money laundering and defrauding are completely wrong.


I also gave him 15 links including 13 members selling either gift cards, methods to scam companies and cracked accounts and asked him why he hasn't tagged them when those threads are running for months but mine was tagged on the first day! I would like to ask members here, can this just be a coincidence or he's actually misusing his DT status and protecting a selected few sellers? If its a coincidence its a BIG one!

He since has tagged about 3-4 members from those 13 members list I gave him. Not surprised to see that today the exact same members were tagged by the so called "HateLeague" and most of those members have positive trust ratings for each other! Another coincidence?


Now coming to my negative feedbacks, please consider these points:

1) I have already "haulted" my Starbucks sales and told this to EcuaMobi and agreed to lock the thread once he proves he's acting in a fair way and is not protecting some sellers.

2) So, I am indeed not selling anymore. So he finds another thread of mine where I am selling Groupon vouchers and gives me a neg trust for that. Keep in mind he didnt have any issues with that till I asked him to prove himself to be unbias. And if he didnt look at my post history before tagging me, he doesnt deserve to call himself an experienced member. According to me, that will be his escuse to this.

3) So he has the time to bully someone who has already haulted the sales, but cant find time to tag sellers actively selling? That seems more sketchy than the sellers' behavior


Now he has another point in his feedback saying "If you deal with this user you may be helping committing a crime. "

First of all, if you are unsure, please don't spoil somebody's rep. Get some solid proof (like you demand from sellers) and then give the negative feedback.

Secondly, the members buying (Many of them trusted and some even on DT) are also "helping committing a crime." according to EcuaMobi himself. So why no negative trust to the buyers? They are doing the same thing as the sellers, right? "helping committing a crime."


So to summarize it:

1) My account was tagged the same day when other sellers were allowed to continue selling for months.
2) I have proved (according to me), that his allegations of money laundering, defrauding and "may be" helping in a crime are all baseless and not true.
3) EcuaMobi has been selectively handing out the negative trusts, ignoring a few sellers with the intention of probably protecting them.
4) I already haulted my Starbucks sales, so he finds another lame reason to tag my account (which was not a problem just 2 days ago)
5) Can't understand the reason why he is not tagging buyers since in his own words they too are "helping committing a crime."

What I would like the community to do:

1) Remove EcuaMobi from DT since he is clearly misusing that power
                                          OR
2) Ask him to take back all the baseless negative trusts he has given out
                                          OR
3) Set a deadline for him to give out negative trusts to ALL SELLERS AND BUYERS not just a few.

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[rikugou]

I agree, this trust system is bogus.

So many power trippers and the trust system isnt even about trust anymore. People are handing out neg reps like candy without even looking into it or being affected by it.

[bargainbin]

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      a) Newbies are selling these cards from similar sources.

Which sources would those be?

      b) Everybody here is buying anyways.
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That's because people sell them here. No sellers = no buyers.
Not preaching here, don't care about how you make your money, but this is not the place for it. It's smart not to shit where you sleep, so please don't.

[EcuaMobi]

1) I was given the negative trust the same day I opened my thread.

I can't stay 24h/day 7days/week online checking the forum. I happened to see your thread immediately because I was mentioned there and got a PM explicitly asking for my opinion about it.

2) There were about 2-3 more Starbucks threads, open for months now and active that day but none of those sellers were given the feedback.

As I said I can't spend too much time on the forum. Besides until recently I was only after sellers who explicitly admit their cards are hacked or bought with stolen cards. I recently decided to start a campaign against those who don't admit it, like yourself.
More info about the campaign here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.0

"1) I am reselling the gift cards so I am definitely NOT laundering money. Im just buying from somebody and selling it here. Is that not what all physical stores and everybody on earth does? Manufacturer > Wholesaler > Retailer! That's not money laundering.

That just proves you don't even know the origin of your cards. If you don't steal them yourself it doesn't mean they're not stolen. If what you say is true then you're helping the thief/money launderer and people who buy from you are indirectly doing it too.

2) I have never scammed anybody and I am willing to accept escrow for my transactions. That proves that I dont want to and cannot (if escrow is used) defraud anybody.

As I said more than once already via PM: I'm not accusing you of scamming people here. I'm accusing you of selling stolen goods. Someone else was scammed in order to make this business possible.

3) As far as the source of the gift cards is concerned, please think about this:    
      a) Newbies are selling these cards from similar sources.
      b) Everybody here is buying anyways.
      c) Newbies have a risk attached with them that they might, after a few good deals, run away with the money and make a new account.
      d) If I sell the same cards, I eliminate that risk making the community safer in effect.
      e) Its allowed by the forum rules.

I agree it is a big problem. We all must work together to stop it.

I also gave him 15 links including 13 members selling either gift cards, methods to scam companies and cracked accounts and asked him why he hasn't tagged them when those threads are running for months but mine was tagged on the first day! I would like to ask members here, can this just be a coincidence or he's actually misusing his DT status and protecting a selected few sellers? If its a coincidence its a BIG one!

He since has tagged about 3-4 members from those 13 members list I gave him. Not surprised to see that today the exact same members were tagged by the so called "HateLeague" and most of those members have positive trust ratings for each other! Another coincidence?

As I told you via PM I already contacted them. Some have stopped, others haven't replied/been online yet and I've left negative trust to others. Regarding the "coincidence" I already explained it above.
There are too many illegal GC sellers and there's only one of me. That's why I'm asking the help of other DT members. I guess that will also prove I'm not protecting anybody because I couldn't prevent other DT members to tag everyone.
And regarding your crazy accusation of course none of the "HateLeague" is my alt. But fortunately they seem to have joined the campaign.

1) I have already "haulted" my Starbucks sales and told this to EcuaMobi and agreed to lock the thread once he proves he's acting in a fair way and is not protecting some sellers.

2) So, I am indeed not selling anymore. So he finds another thread of mine where I am selling Groupon vouchers and gives me a neg trust for that. Keep in mind he didnt have any issues with that till I asked him to prove himself to be unbias. And if he didnt look at my post history before tagging me, he doesnt deserve to call himself an experienced member. According to me, that will be his escuse to this.

3) So he has the time to bully someone who has already haulted the sales, but cant find time to tag sellers actively selling? That seems more sketchy than the sellers' behavior

No, you didn't really stop. You just temporarily halted and didn't even lock your thread! To make it worse you bumped your other money-launder thread! (http://archive.is/SSnmk). That just made it clear you had no intentions to stop or collaborate with this.

I started warning and tagging others but -I repeat- I can't spend so much time here. I need help.


To summarize:

• I ask everyone to post your comments about the anti-money-laundery campaign here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.0
• I ask other users, especially DT members, to join this campaign
• As bargainbin said: stopping sellers would stop buyers. And I consider selling much worst than buying it, mainly because the seller knows as a fact they're illegal and because they do it a lot of times. Tagging sellers is causing a lot of controversy; adding buyers would cause even more and require even more time, but if other DT members would go that far feel free to do it.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I agree wholeheartedly that the trust system is broken but I'm 100% down with nixxing gift card sales.

[whywefight]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I am thinking for along time how to proof mist cards are illegal. I always skipped those that seem fishy. I like this move, i will join it!

The DS needs to be cleaned out!

[Kareem001]

A lot of the responsibility goes to the forum admin and moderators.
There should be a FIRM rule of what is allowed to be sold and what's not. Simple.
There should also be more attention towards obvious scammers like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375835.0

Don't come to me with the "it's not possible to create firm rules..." BS, i don't buy it... other forums do it, so should BCT.

[mexxer-2]

A lot of the responsibility goes to the forum admin and moderators.
There should be a FIRM rule of what is allowed to be sold and what's not. Simple.
There should also be more attention towards obvious scammers like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375835.0

Don't come to me with the "it's not possible to create firm rules..." BS, i don't buy it... other forums do it, so should BCT.

BB's post still comes in handy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1025091.msg11094395#msg11094395

[Joel_Jantsen]

Speaking of which, a new giftcard shop is already inaugurated in the Digital Goods section https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375870.0  Will he be negged ?

[whywefight]

I welcome suggestions and hints about suspicious looking topics via pm.

[Zeke2345]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I am thinking for along time how to proof mist cards are illegal. I always skipped those that seem fishy. I like this move, i will join it!

The DS needs to be cleaned out!

I have seen you post twice now stating agreement when it has already been written that you where a part or on the list to join. This is slightly deceptive tactic to make it look like the numbers are increasing in the favor of this group. The more I see you lot posting like this,the more I worry about the power drunk running amok in the forum.

[erikalui]

a) Newbies are selling these cards from similar sources.

Newbies are selling illegal gift cards and so you also want to sell illegal gift cards? Does it make them or you right in any way? Conscience tells us what is right and what is wrong. If others do wrong, we shouldn't follow them.



b) Everybody here is buying anyways.


Yes, people are buying it which is absolutely wrong. It's the same case like buying illegal drugs, guns and so on. If anyone starts selling drugs, the person can become a millionaire in a day so can you defend that too? Everyone will buy drugs so you'll be selling it or reselling it? You can't defend a crime nor can support it. These gift cards are purchase from stolen credit cards which means the people who are buying such gift cards are equally to be blamed like the ones selling it.

People buying it are helping the websites to be cheated. Websites like Amazon/Starbucks lose thousands of dollars because of such frauds and they can easily catch the people who get the products shipped to their addresses.


c) Newbies have a risk attached with them that they might, after a few good deals, run away with the money and make a new account.
d) If I sell the same cards, I eliminate that risk making the community safer in effect.


Run away with the money? Illegal products need some sort of a confirmation/security that people are assured that their illegal product will be delivered to them? That hurts legal buyers/sellers.


e) Its allowed by the forum rules.

Forum doesn't allow this but it doesn't stop it too. That doesn't mean you should sell illegal stuff blindly.




To add to the above. I am a genuine seller of gift cards. I earn these gift cards and many a times I was asked by these so called sellers to buy their stolen gift cards and I would make a lot of money from it. I better don't earn a penny than do WRONG. Because of these buyers (like you), people like me suffer as all prefer buying illegal stuff for 20-25% rather than pay more to buy legal stuff. By God's grace, there are still good people here who prefer buying legal stuff and paying more and that's how I've been able to sell my gift cards. I don't know why and how can you defend and support such a crime and complain about being caught and marked with a negative. If you don't know or are unaware, escrow.ms (a DT user) was caught for receiving funds from hacked/stolen credit cards and he has been arrested. It's not a similar case but you too are getting yourself into trouble by buying and reselling illegal stuff. Kindly stop it.

[whywefight]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I am thinking for along time how to proof mist cards are illegal. I always skipped those that seem fishy. I like this move, i will join it!

The DS needs to be cleaned out!

I have seen you post twice now stating agreement when it has already been written that you where a part or on the list to join. This is slightly deceptive tactic to make it look like the numbers are increasing in the favor of this group. The more I see you lot posting like this,the more I worry about the power drunk running amok in the forum.

I dont have any power around here. I am just a user like you. I dont care about my position in the trust system. I dont need a group to write what i think or to think what i think. The only power i have is the power you give me. Somehow you think my words are more valuable than others. Thats not the case. Dont make yourself smaller than you are.

I am on a spree to clean the DS. For some reason orhers are too. I dont care about "our numbers".

[anonymous22]

Totally agree, same thing happened to me. I was selling few gift cards here which I get them by certain method which I can prove it to any mod on here then I have found this guy ecuamobi and his alts is dropping negative trust feedbacks on me although I did not sell any more cards these days.
He threatened me either I tell him how I am getting these cards or he will ruin my account and my business although he is not a mod or even a trusted member on here.
Although he has too many negative feedbacks, he accuses me that I am doing money launderng which again I did not do money launderng and I have been on this forum for long time and I did not even commit single scam attempt to any member on here.

The conclusion is that I need the trusted members that gave him the positive feedback to think about it because he is abusing it by trying to know how other members doing their business and earn money. Again I want to say that I am ready to prove how I was getting those cards to any of the admins or the mods but not to this abuser.

I hope any of the admins or mods hear our voices on here and stop this guy of what he is doing.

[whywefight]

Totally agree, same thing happened to me. I was selling few gift cards here which I get them by certain method which I can prove it to any mod on here then I have found this guy ecuamobi and his alts is dropping negative trust feedbacks on me although I did not sell any more cards these days.
He threatened me either I tell him how I am getting these cards or he will ruin my account and my business although he is not a mod or even a trusted member on here.
Although he has too many negative feedbacks, he accuses me that I am doing money launderng which again I did not do money launderng and I have been on this forum for long time and I did not even commit single scam attempt to any member on here.

The conclusion is that I need the trusted members that gave him the positive feedback to think about it because he is abusing it by trying to know how other members doing their business and earn money. Again I want to say that I am ready to prove how I was getting those cards to any of the admins or the mods but not to this abuser.

I hope any of the admins or mods hear our voices on here and stop this guy of what he is doing.

Any proof he "threatend" you?

Trust is not moderated. What protects people like you, protects the feedback. Funny, isnt it?

[Dorrittulx]

PLEASE remove EcuaMobi off of DT! I witnessed the whole thing myself!

He is a massive trust abuser. Who do I PM to take him off DT?

[EcuaMobi]

Totally agree

You should specify you agree with OP, otherwise it would seem you agree with everyone else.

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which I can prove it to any mod on here
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Again I want to say that I am ready to prove how I was getting those cards to any of the admins or the mods
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That's exactly what I politely asked you and you refused. You just had to prove it to any trusted member and we could have avoided all this mess.

... either I tell him how I am getting these cards ...

Or any other trusted member. Personally I'd prefer if you prove it to someone else, not me.

... or even a trusted member on here ....

Probably I shouldn't say this myself, but I'm pretty sure most users here disagree with you on this.

Although he has too many negative feedbacks

I have several untrusted negative trust because I've been fighting scammers and they usually leave fake retaliation trust (like the one you left on my profile after I exposed you).
If you see some of those feedback as trusted then you must have some really messed up trust list!

The conclusion is that I need the trusted members that gave him the positive feedback to think about it because he is abusing it ...

When you say "abusing" you mean "trying to stop the selling of illegal giftcards", right?
Feel free to contact them.

PLEASE remove EcuaMobi off of DT! I witnessed the whole thing myself!

He is a massive trust abuser. Who do I PM to take him off DT?

I know you disagree with trying to stop the selling of illegal goods, you've made that clear in the past.
You don't think selling illegal goods is wrong, but I disagree with you.

FYI I'm on DT because dserrano5 added me to his trust list, so I guess you can contact him. Make sure to mention you want him to remove me because I'm fighting the selling of illegal goods here.

[anonymous22]

First ,Do you think by abusing the trust feedback , the admins will make you a mod or something because you are making yourself as "a bitcointalk cop" ?
This is pathetic dude stop kissing the admins asses to be a mod.

Second, it is not your fucking business and i am not obligated to prove you how i get those cards and you are now crying because i did not tell you the method i was getting those cards like a loser kid.

Third, I am ready to show any mod on here how i was obtaining those cards "This not for you EcuaMobi" .

Fourth, Prove that those negative feedbacks on your account were because of "The scam busting operation you are doing over here"


Man, your situation is too weak here so I advise you to step back of abusing and ruining other members feedback and investigate first about them before you accuse them for nothing.

[EcuaMobi]

First ,Do you think by abusing the trust feedback , the admins will make you a mod or something because you are making yourself as "a bitcointalk cop" ?
This is pathetic dude stop kissing the admins asses to be a mod.

Again for you "abusing" means "trying to stop the selling of illegal giftcards", right?
My only intention is stopping or at least slowing down the selling of illegal items on the forum. I couldn't care less about becoming a mod. I wouldn't even have the time for that.
And actually I think being "controversial" reduces the chances of becoming a mod, not sure about that.

Second, it is not your fucking business and i am not obligated to prove you how i get those cards and you are now crying because i did not tell you the method i was getting those cards like a loser kid.

Then don't! I don't want you to prove anything to me. As I've said several times prove it to another trusted user.

Third, I am ready to show any mod on here how i was obtaining those cards "This not for you EcuaMobi" .

Then do it. Stop saying that and just do it: contact a mod, an escrow or other trusted member and do it.

Fourth, Prove that those negative feedbacks on your account were because of "The scam busting operation you are doing over here"

It's absolutely clear those are fake. Of course you're not serious about this
Just a tip: you should trust only the feedback that appears as "trusted"  

Man, your situation is too weak here so I advise you to step back of abusing and ruining other members feedback and investigate first about them before you accuse them for nothing.

Actually it's got the support of several trusted members. I can't see any trusted user supporting you.


Just stop your nonsense arguments and prove your method is legal to a very trusted member. I don't even want to know. Once he confirms everything is legal then I'll remove my feedback.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

First ,Do you think by abusing the trust feedback , the admins will make you a mod or something because you are making yourself as "a bitcointalk cop" ?
This is pathetic dude stop kissing the admins asses to be a mod.

Second, it is not your fucking business and i am not obligated to prove you how i get those cards and you are now crying because i did not tell you the method i was getting those cards like a loser kid.
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You are a child and you sell stolen stuff, so I don't have sympathy for you and if you don't like that then you can fuck yourself.  It's true you don't have to prove how you got whatever it is you're selling, but making the assumption that a deep discount on giftcards means they're stolen...9 times out of 10 it's valid.  So go cry me a river somewhere else.