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It be best you email them and get an official answer.
I cant debate what i dont know for sure, all i can do is point out the no-facts, non-points and subjective interpretations.
for the very reason rather than go out their way to prove beyond any reasonable doubt they are a genuine and professional outfit, they have clearly gone out their way to provide inconsistent poorly produced 'evidence'
subjective interpretation for the reason but factual in that they have not gone out of their way to prove
poor and clearly recognisable photoshop
fact, non-point
conveniently placed iPhones obscuring views and crucial aspects of the image cut off
fact, non-point
the fact, parts of whatever the original board were have been ripped out
non-fact, i fail to see how its a preexisting board modded for the purpose of scamming or where there is evidence of something being ripped out.
In addition he has a German English speaking accent
fact, non-point
and an Arabic friend attempting paraphrasing the most generic Arabic sentence a real Arabic speaker doesn't recognise.
is this the case, does it matter? non-point
Not to mention 'staff' that he can afford to send on a jolly to China to oversee his outsourced pcb manufacture
il wait for the details, what would be wrong with having someone there to oversee the manufacture and testing?
which has yet to be made two weeks, scrap that almost one week prior to arriving fully assembled in his 'dear customers' hands.
the challenge... 100/week
The only thing possibly legitimate about this entire thing has been a hairy arm in shot, that and the fact he's potentially stolen enough funds to actually start legitimate r&d.
fact and good point, they could even make more money by double scamming
we pay for the equipment and they mine on it
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I think it was quite obvious from the beginning who plays which role in thins thread  and yeah nobody did see the delays coming. From a sure 15th of May delivery to the 25th but with sure delays. Lol. I dont know where you saw them speak about official delays yet. There probably will be tho. I was quoting the forum rules because of all the , 'oh so gullible customers' or 'SCAM is SCAM obvious SCAM posts'. Instead you should be pointing out the obvious inconsistency's and problems with what they say. Although i wouldn't be able to send them a reply with what you're pointing out, your really just saying, the cakes a lie no matter what until i taste the icing. Yes buddy, because for the very reason rather than go out their way to prove beyond any reasonable doubt they are a genuine and professional outfit, they have clearly gone out their way to provide inconsistent poorly produced 'evidence' with poor and clearly recognisable photoshop, conveniently placed iPhones obscuring views and crucial aspects of the image cut off and the fact, parts of whatever the original board were have been ripped out. In addition he has a German English speaking accent and an Arabic friend attempting paraphrasing the most generic Arabic sentence a real Arabic speaker doesn't recognise. Not to mention 'staff' that he can afford to send on a jolly to China to oversee his outsourced pcb manufacture which has yet to be made two weeks, scrap that almost one week prior to arriving fully assembled in his 'dear customers' hands. The only thing possibly legitimate about this entire thing has been a hairy arm in shot, that and the fact he's potentially stolen enough funds to actually start legitimate r&d. You've based your entire investment on a hairy arm and poorly rendered case design which he hasn't manufactured a week before shipment to you either. What ****ing kind of warning signs are required to make you doubt this? There is no way you can be in this much denial!! i wont debate your interpretation other then to say it is only an interpretation and i believe all those things have been addressed or is going to be addressed. would lophie like to confirm the arabic ambiguity and the likelihood of having been staged by a non arabic? Phinnaeus Gage that is considered spam. |
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I think it was quite obvious from the beginning who plays which role in thins thread and yeah nobody did see the delays coming. From a sure 15th of May delivery to the 25th but with sure delays. Lol. I dont know where you saw them speak about official delays yet. There probably will be tho. I was quoting the forum rules because of all the , 'oh so gullible customers' or 'SCAM is SCAM obvious SCAM posts'. Instead you should be pointing out the obvious inconsistency's and problems with what they say. Although i wouldn't be able to send them a reply with what you're pointing out, your really just saying, the cakes a lie no matter what until i taste the icing. There is no in-between, plausibility's, possibility's and reasons. Im no shill, im just reporting everything i get a reply on. Next up on my awaiting reply list is history, motivations, drive, philosophy and personality's behind cedartec if they feel like giving that a shot. |
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139380.0In all cases, do no harass or stalk people. Keep your behavior civil and professional. Harassment will be ruthlessly deleted or edited until it is a mockery of the poster (in all cases edited posts will be marked accordingly). If you are in doubt about a behavior it is probably harassment. Don't do it. If you feel you need to investigate a party that has scammed you, take it to the scam accusation sub-forum. Be the better man: Just because someone is a jerk that doesn't justify you becoming one. Feel free to provide criticism but don't belabor it. Making the same point over and over again is spam. Making multiple threads about the same subject is spam. Spam will be ruthlessly deleted or edited until it is a mockery of the poster. If you think important criticism is at risk of getting missed cooperate with other posters and write up a even handed summary of the issues. Pointers to well written third party summaries may be stickied, if their material is reasonable and of general interest to custom hardware participants. |
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More info for you to nit-pick at Dear customer, > as for http://www.cedartec.net/images/gallery/proof.jpg [1] > > are the asic chips present or not and for what reason? > > here is the area of interest: > http://imgur.com/QBkqtCsThere where chips assembled, but not all. I think this photo was taken at the beginning, but we have not published it directly. At this time we have tested the pcb on failures, there was an stability problem, so we assembled chips from 1 to 10 to see if the asic runs well. > From the address you gave me we assume SinoFast will be assembling the > pcb's. > Can you confirm that and tell what company is manufacturing the > wafers? We will not reject or confirm the companies name before the production starts. > Please consider bitcointalk user lophie's offer to go visit and do a > video documentary. > > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170739.msg2033375#msg2033375He is not the only one who asked, if we allow him to enter our office, everyone else would want to. We will accept visitors when we have finished and shipped all pre-orders. > when will we see any public stats to verify that indeed the device is > hashing at >67Gh/s and not just showing random numbers on the webgui. As we said they will follow soon, when the product is optimized. We apologize for the late answer, we have many requests in the last days and also senseless spam mails with insults. We hope you understand why we could not answer within 2 hours. With best regards, Your CedarTec Team. |
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just one problem guys, that promise for a sunday video was done on the 26th, the video they have up right now is that video.
they did promise a new video, livestats and better pictures at some point tho
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after a bit of research it seems ionstorm is right, its the only one i could find listed online in that area http://www.alpcb.com.cn/Contact_Us/altho i could not find that company in the china yellow pages |
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Based on their address information their manufacturer is sinofast www.alpcb.com.cnhow did he find that? |
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they might be lying to me, thats why im posting it here.
how was that chinese company associated to the address i posted?
i dont think they sent staff, they probably hired a company to do the production for them, all they have to do is provide the plans and custom components.
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We only must wait 9 days to know the truth... I also have a order in 8X position.
there will probably be delays if they do have to go with a pcb redesign to handle the higher power consumption required to reach their target. Delays would seriously further injure their image if they still do not have irrevocable proof. |
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I live in Saudi Arabia so I am relativly close. If they are legit and actually reading this. this is a legit statement:
- I will personally come to you this weekend physically and buy 5 CT-80 and will tip you very generously as well. I will make a documentary of the whole thing as well.
- Lophie
BTW I am an Arab native and I really don't know what he said in the beginning , maybe something like
"يالله بلشنا الشوت"
Dunno if he said الشوت for "we are shooting", I know a bunch of the nationale and never heard them using that term. Not even as slang.
which supposed to means, "Go we started shooting"
Send them an email, ask to visit them to film the prototype. They have not announced starting mass production so they probably dont have any other device then the prototype. |
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On their home page: CEDARTEC was founded 2010 in Lebanon,
with the aim to develop and produce affordable
quality goods with high standards.
It depends on what they consider to be part of their development time. the work before may have contributed in some way for them to say: "after nearly 3 years of hard work" cedar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedrusapparently common in Lebenon not so sure the Lebanese CedarTec has any history with the Swiss CedarTec |
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Finally got a reply, its what i thought: Dear customer,
thanks for your attention.
The relevant person has forgotton
to remove it from the thumbnail
and a other pictures.
The chip is from a company which is not
under contract with us.
We have already factorys which will
ship us components as microcontroller,
but they have not shipped at the time
we build the prototype, so we bought
from other companies.
We hope you understand why it is not in
our interest to show pictures from
our pcb prototype where we use components from
other manufactures.
With best regards,
Your CedarTec Team
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seems they forgot to photoshop the thumbnail aswell  |
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you asked for anything else worth mentioning
ofcourse it does not "prove" them be arabic
spoken arabic at the start and the prompts that used windows default language on the buttons were in arabic
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the video proves that this company is arabic
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just some details from the video, nothing that proves or does not prove them to be a scam
the webgui in the video is at v0.8
the device has poweron and reset buttons, a led for on/off status and led for mining status
power consumption is at 94w idle and 234w mining
the max hashrate on the video was 68Gh/s
the webgui provides unlockable overclock/downclock for both idle and mining states.
you can mine on many pools and set a percentage of the device hashrate to each.
the device in the video matches the one in the pictures
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Dear customer,
What is the expected time required for the manufacture from your
source?
-originally 10 days to be able to ship the first week orders,
through the delay we must wait, we are not the only ones
who let produce in this factory. More informations will
be published next week.
how are you going to go about mass producing?
-see above
how is the optimization coming along? can you give details of what
needs or needed to be optimized?
-we need more coreclock -> more voltage, not possible through
the resulting higher temperatures.
Currently we are working on a watercooling system.
The final product will need more then 200 watt,
we try to hold the consumption on around
240 watts or we need to redesign the pcb,
our current design allows only around 250 watts.
With best regards,
Your CedarTec Team. bitcoinarama, they only plan to produce 100/week. the information they provided in the email does make sense, their pcb atx 20pin connector can only supply a maximum of 251watts. |
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it works both ways
but in the end, its all just a bunch of opinions, assumptions and interpretations.
we want successful and competitive asic businesses, some of us have to bring a counter view to make sure possible non scam dont fail due to being portrayed as a scam. It may appear as an obvious scam to some of you, i think there are reasons for the discrepancy's that make you believe its an obvious scam. Im not saying they are not a scam, the only way it will resolve to that is if they deliver. But for now they sit in between, and i chose to bet on them instead of bfl or any other recent and proven scams out there.
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Anonmousg64, stop this now, it's embarrassing.
You're going through the typical motions of a delusional victim undertaking research to convince yourself the lie is true, or you're part of the scam.
Let's look at the facts, AGAIN:
He replies to his victims...I mean customers, promptly, of course, he wants to befriend you as he wants your money. Serious companies answer emails too, but...
He won't except escrow.
He won't send a working board to a mod or trusted third party.
He has a German accent and is/was coincidently using the "biggest Euro Bitcoin exchange".
The PCB board has had loads of surface mounted peripheral ports clearly ripped from it and other bits like a coaxial annatnae and heatsinks stuck in place.
In one picture a chip has a large logo, in another that's vanished and has been replaced with a photoshop cloning tool to erase the logo, why? So you don't recognise the brand as it would make no sense front to be there. Whatever brand it is it begins "in".
In the picture with the iPhone he purposely positions it to obscure the ASIC chips, yet if you look at the pic with them in, the tenth chip's corner should still easily be visible in the pic with the iPhone, but it isn't, why? Because the chips that are all absolutely identical photoshop copies.
Someone, gave us the Chinese company he's given the address to and I've emailed them to confirm whether they are doing any business with Lebanon, but they're probably really ****ing busy, right? I mean they've got to make and send the chips to Lebanon in time for him to assemble everything and deliver to you in two weeks and he still hasn't completed collecting preorders, but don't worry he sent some staff to China to hurry them up. He sorted their visa's lickety split!
Someone should drop BTC guild an email with a link to the video and have them confirm if there's any such user as cedertec_1. To be honest I've done enough, they may not want to give to many specifics, but I'm sure they'd love to know they've been implicated in this blatant fraud.
Anyone whose bought into this is either ****ing stupid or so ****ing greedy they get what they deserve for zero due diligence!
And some are actually worried that they may loose their place in the preorder queue? If there ever was a time to use ROFL PMSL, it's now!!!
I would love to be wrong I don't want to see stupid people loose money, genuinely, life is challenging enough for them, but if you're greedy I couldn't give a ***, I just wish a deserving charity got it instead.
seriously, im just trying to provide more information he was replying to me before any of my purchases escrow cant work for them, it couldn't work for avalon or bfl either they should do that, but at this point it is pointless, 2weeks away from first batch of 100 i dont see how that matters in any way, it might be the best option for them in that area oh so clear is it? i dont think you can substantiate that claim with low res images i would like an answer for that inconsistency not sure if its because the chip is blending into the line or if its like they said, a picture before they put in the chips maybe. here is a compilation of those, troubling  im not arguing they are not a scam, but i cant just dismiss them as a scam, the potential is there i do admit it. |
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