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621  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 18, 2014, 07:20:31 PM
A question to you is, if the first thing you read was the basic blockchain configuration would you then read more, and would you be here today?

That's a valid question, and one that I don't have an answer to. I can answer the opposite of that question, though: If that information wasn't available in the OP, no, I would not be here.

Thank you, would you be willing to give the OP a review later once I have updated it and suggest things you feel need changed?

On another note, I have set the 230MH/s running on the IPM Pool Test for 3 hours. Once the difficulty changes I will do the calculations and report here as to progress and estimates.

And the first block by the IPM Pool has just been found Smiley The IPM Pool has a permanent address of bXcNHNYKxbSwqTMguD6CaePPBBXRpXKe4d we need our own block explorer, not urgently
622  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 18, 2014, 06:56:39 PM
The important information which enables people to make a decision as to whether they want to consider finding out more about Bitmark is in the OP, and the rest of the information together with full rationale are just a link away.

'Allocation of Variables' is not a good description for the coin specifications. I think the first thing people want to know are the basics: coin cap, block reward schedule, algo. If I were just finding this thread, I wouldn't wade through 49 links just to find this information out. I would skim, not find it, and close the tab.

I don't think it has to be the standard [ANN] format that everyone else uses, but there should definitely be an easy to find section for the basic information.

The first few lines of the wiki have all of that information in the form of links link 'Block Time: 120 Seconds (2 Minutes)' which takes you to find out more about each thing.

I will update the OP before the end of the day, to make the pertinent details somewhat clearer.

A question to you is, if the first thing you read was the basic blockchain configuration would you then read more, and would you be here today?

Thank you for the feedback.
623  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 18, 2014, 06:44:34 PM
URL: http://xhash.net
Pool address: stratum+tcp://pool.xhash.net:3405

Single registration / Global workers / DDOS Protected / VARDIFF / Prop payouts / Fees 1%

Thank you and enjoy !

Thank you for helping us secure the Bitmark network, and for such a smooth adoption.

We now have 2 major pools, and several people solo mining.

The Investor Public Mining (IPM) Pool will be running in moments also.

Finally, P2Pool support may well be launched by the end of the day too.

The ANN needs updated to reflect everything which has happened today, I will update it before the end of the day.

Thank you to everybody for your consistent support.
624  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 18, 2014, 05:56:33 PM
I have sent 0.15 BTC to 18rai2ichzUfXG6PVmUQLNPqBjtctnVRAD in support of the BITMARK IPM. I appreciate the vision of the Bitmark Project set fourth by Mark, and the Mission Statement, Plan of action, and Execution that followed. The fact that our community has assisted in the creation of Bitmark, which continues to grow through cultivation, and continued development, offers confidence for Bitmark’s future and the ultimate direction of Crypto.

Thank you, I will have the IPM Pool running shortly.

Since the difficulty is due to change in 5-6 hours, I will add a proportionate amount of hashing for the current mining day for 5 hours.

82ndabnmedic, this will use approximately 0.04 BTC of your budget and provide 150 MH/s to the network.

After the difficulty changes the calculations will be redone for the next mining day, along with a report on the first part of your investment.

PS. Dev, why don't you make the OP like other ANN threads, I mean basic coin info listed using big font ?

The important information which enables people to make a decision as to whether they want to consider finding out more about Bitmark is in the OP, and the rest of the information together with full rationale are just a link away.

So far it has brought in a wonderful community and has enabled us to progress well with almost 30 pages of very interesting discussion and lots of real world measurable progress.
625  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 18, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
Who has sent 0.15 BTC? for the IPM Pool Test?

Please let me know.
626  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 18, 2014, 03:32:43 PM
I hadn't used the qt client for about 2 years until I started using Bitmark and I noticed that there is a way to choose which addresses you want the inputs for your outgoing transaction to come from by clicking checkboxes next to each address that you want to include. I thought that was interesting. I haven't tested the feature yet at all though. Is that what you're referring to here?

Yes exactly that. In the future we can hope thin clients will make this a prioritised easy to use feature.

Catch up links for those joining.
31. IPM Pool 3 Day Test.
32. What makes Bitmark distinct.
33. Decentralization of Supply and Distribution and Spreading out the Bitmark Network.
Major discussion points or notices are always added to the OP on a daily basis.
627  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 18, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
2) Anonymity

We can discuss this more in the future

I agree.

For now it may be useful to extol the virtues of using the "coin control" features, as these let you choose which inputs (or addresses) are linked to each transaction. For most common cases, where you do not want Bob to know that you have sent money to Peter, or for anybody to know your full savings, this is sufficient, if a little technical.

For people who really want anonymity all they need to do is go off chain, on to another, and then back. This is simple to do for anybody who really wants to. For example convert DRK to BTC, move BTC to another exchange, convert BTC to DRK and send to a fresh address. Clean inputs. People have been doing this with Fiat for years to erase the trace, the same applies to block chain based currencies.

In my opinion it does not require a technical solution.

Privacy concerns however are fair to address, coin control and documentation/examples on how to use it practically, or multiple wallet support, may address this simply for the common person.
628  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 18, 2014, 01:39:55 PM
EsteNuno, thank you for posting that link here, we must be aware of our future users needs, please keep the links coming.

>>> Consolidation, thank you for this authoritative response! I have copied it out to a separate doc in order to digest it properly as time allows this morning.

This is indeed how the foundations are laid for progress...


I hope it was not too authoritative as the project is very inclusive and relies on open discussion of each matter. Bitmark will not progress under a centralised dictator.

The wall of text is what is in my mind, I am fallible in many ways, and rely on all of you to check each step.

Decentralization of Supply and Distribution and Spreading out the Bitmark Network

I am very happy to see that hashing distribution between individual miners has balanced out well after only a few days. The original rationale over Supply and Distribution is proving to be reasonably sound.

We are currently too centralized with most hashing power at miningpool.co.

Under different threads here on bitcointalk and under dogemining on reddit I have sought community advice as to which other pools are stable, fair, non-multipools, non-switching, and not offering the facility to autoconvert to another currency.

1. xHash.net has been suggested and appears to fit this criteria. I have spoken to them about Bitmark and they have confirmed that they will add support later today or tomorrow.
2. P2Pool support is being worked on and will be ready today. Thank you to TheDirector who both suggested and started this work.
3. Solo Mining is also occurring and to be encouraged, Bitmark has been configured to offer less of a reward more frequently to facilitate fair distribution to all miners.
4. miningpool.co has proven to be communicative and stable, I'd like to thank ethought for his support since the launch of Bitmark
5. The Investor Public Mining Pool Test is ready to get underway as soon as the first investment is in.

Within a matter of hours we should have begun to decentralize our network hashing power, this will bode well for the stability of Bitmark.

If you are a miner, please consider dispersing your hashing power over the coming days. If any guides need to be written to facilitate P2Pool Mining or Solo Mining please let us know.

If you would like to support Bitmark or acquire some BTM, please consider joining the Investor Public Mining Pool Test which will give you the chance to do both.

Thank you to everyone for their continued support and input.
629  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 18, 2014, 04:08:43 AM
P2Pool
TheDirector and I are testing P2Pool for Bitmark, and have it running successfully. Once we have tested further I will fork the repository, add Bitmark support and create a pull request to the main P2Pool github.

For more information on P2Pool see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/P2Pool

630  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 18, 2014, 01:05:10 AM
Thank you Androidicus and Tiffen both for leading the conversation in this direction.

I will try to explain the best I can, what makes Bitmark distinct.

The Block Chain and Quality Assurance are Bitcoin's main technical strengths. Bitmark builds on these strengths.

Many alternative currencies have forgotten the Quality Assurance focussing on the Block Chain part instead, both are required, code must be kept up to date.

You will see that almost every service which uses BTC has to rely on another service to provide integration, from stores to alternative clients. Think about this: Stores use third party APIs and integrators. Clients like hive and electrum use custom APIs like electrum-server and bitcoinj. Why?

Bitcoin is very good at securing the blockchain, and not so good at providing access to it. Bitcoin's technical barrier is the architecture of the API, how other things access and use the functions and data available. This is a major block on adoption that has had to be covered by (sometimes untrustworthy) third parties.

Bitmark will address this by creating a second API. New services and clients will integrate with the new API, either of their own Bitmark Node or the Public API of Nodes on the Bitmark Network. Existing cryptographic currency services and clients will still be supported by the old API.

If we ensure people can integrate with Bitmark easily and directly, or the Bitmark Network of nodes without running one, document it, provide Software Development Kits (SDKs) in major languages, example code, and example applications and clients, then developers will create wonderful things which use Bitmark.

By taking this approach we can offer the best user experience possible, by allowing people to specialize and compete to offer users a better experience.

Why have one wallet which offers utility when we can have 500 alternative wallets?

Why force stores and business adopters to use fee based third party integrators when we can give them everything they need to use the Bitmark Network easily?

This is Bitmark's value proposition:
We recognise that others can do far more for users than we can alone, and offer users many choices instead of just one thing, so we will enable them to do this easily.
We recognise that the Bitcoin Core team and those supporting it can create a safer more stable core than we can, so we will trust them to do that.
We recognise that the Alternative Coins can offer innovation and compete to find solutions to common issues, so we will trust them to do this and adopt the solutions they prove.
We recognise that all of these points apply to every business sector, if people already micro trust certain services in every day life, then we will also respect and trust them to do this, and help them to ease the flow of money between them and others.

Bitmarks goal is not to dominate or replace what exists, our goal is to fit in with what exists. It is part of a world full of things, let it be used with as many of them as possible.



With that in mind, let us cover where we are with a simple plan.

Foundation
1. Engage people who are knowledgeable in the crypto currency community and are 'fair' players.
Constant.

2. Provide a code base that is safe and acknowledged as being 'good' by peers in the cryptographic currency arena.
Complete, maintain this.

3. Establish long term funding for Bitmark which does not rely on investment.
Initiated, Bitmark Foundation.

4. Ensure the network is safe and stable by having a minimum of three major pools.
In progress... miningpool.co, IPM Pool, we need more

Each of the following items progress independently on their own timeline. I will start each area, others will join.

Easing (Technical) Adoption
1. Demonstrate backward compatibility with existing crypto currency services and tools.
Pending... tools, electrum, bitmarkj, multibit, hive wallet, adoption by existing crypto currency services

2. Improve the Architecture.
Pending... data first, improved api, thin clients which use full nodes as their distributed servers.

3. Developer support.
Pending... SDKs, code libraries, documentation, examples.

4. Informative Data Powered Services
Pending... Consider blockchain.info, brainwallet, these can be created quickly and easily.

Ease of Use

1. Multiple Alternative User Interfaces (Many Wallets)
By 'Improving the Architecture' we can demonstrate how user interfaces can be built on top of the API, others can take our work and create alternative or more specific user interfaces for Bitmark.
Specialization with many competing clients offers the user more than we can.



To create this is not simple, we need to select responsible service providers and see what they need, look at the integrators and see what they offer, find what they have in common and offer that directly through Bitmark.

Our simple plan does not cover every detail, it is a simple plan to show us where to start, others will join and continue on this work.

If one was preparing a presentation to a group of 'laypeople' from a broad cross section of society and commerce, to extol the virtues of adopting Bitmark as a useable currency 'of value', can we find half a dozen or hopefully more salient points that would form the bones of such a presentation?

Far better to show them some useful things which use Bitmark, things they can use themselves, or already do.

It's all about the security and utility of the wallet ..
If you build it .. They will come ..

Let's have many wallets built on Bitmark and competing with each other to offer utility.
If they build things on Bitmark, they will bring others.



Already we are on the fourth step of our foundation. Bitmark is very young, it is becoming strong. We have made good progress and we will continue to do so if we remain fair and reasonable with each other and share a common vision of what is ahead.
631  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CoinShield - SK-1024 GPU| Prime CPU| POS | Shitcoin Cleanup| Unified Time on: July 17, 2014, 06:13:14 PM
edit: to clarify our position concerning donations
By the nature of how Coinshield works, and the position we have taken, we are unable to accept donations. We hope everyone understands our responsibility to absolute non-bias, in order to make this system successful.


Wait. Integrity? That's not how crypto works, is it?

I can confirm that he refused the BTM I offered also.

So I'll help him with early testing instead Smiley
632  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which tokens have an SPV implementation? on: July 17, 2014, 04:08:39 PM
Still looking for SPV implementations being actively maintained.
If we implement bitmarkj, and if it is not too much work on your side, would we be able to go through the integration steps required ahead of time to ensure all works as expected? If agreeable then out aim would be to have this ready within the next 2 weeks, and to have proven the integration shortly after, late July or early in August.

We are also considering forking multibit, is it fair to assume that there are no special requirements of hive which would not be covered by integrating multibit?

Coming back to this now that we have successfully launched on all platforms.

We will be looking to go through this process in the coming weeks, could you let me know whether we should be considering Hive support as an option for the future.

Thank you.
633  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / A good non-switching non-multipool pool? on: July 17, 2014, 03:44:02 PM
I am looking to compile a short list of reputable mining pools which support a handful of currencies.

The pool(s) must be proven and reliable, not a multipool, not a switching pool, and not offer any facility to convert the currency being mined in to different currency.

Simply a pool which supports a small selection of decent currencies, and allows people to mine those currencies because they want to hold those currencies, not because they want to dump them immediately for profit.

If anybody can recommend any such pool, or if you run one yourself, please reach out.

Thank you.
634  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 17, 2014, 02:52:03 PM
Hi was wondering is there's only one pool mining this?

also can i solo mine it if so what's the config for it?

one last thing why did you choose scrypt when everyone moving away from it because of the scrypt asics flooding the market right now?

1. Currently yes only one, others are welcome.

2. Yes you can solo mine. Simply define your rpcuser and rpcpassword in the config file, add rpcallowip as you wish, and set daemon and server to 1 if you wish. The allocation of variables can be found on the wiki. Bitmark has the same API and commands as the latest bitcoin release.

3. Why scrypt? is covered here

Wow! This thread is growing fast and very well. Thumbs up for the nice community and, of course, coinsolidation .

Just a thought: What about "sub-threads" in other languages? Do we need it? Do we want it?

Thank you.

Anybody can create any thread as they see fit. For related sub-threads with focused attention in English we have been using the Alternative Currencies section of this forum.
635  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 17, 2014, 02:14:49 PM
Full details of Bitmark, it's progress and the release can be found on the first post in this thread.

We seek input from potential adopters, user facing services, mining pool operators, and exchanges to ensure that Bitmark addresses all technical considerations they may have.

Current Status
We are beginning a 3 Day test of the mining pool part of the IPM Pool Proposal, in parallel we get to test run the IPM process and create the automated IPM Pool.

Another: Can I mine something with CPU or will it take eons ATM?

I understand that there will be possibility to invest in a mining pool from this document https://github.com/project-bitmark/bitmark/wiki/IPM-Pool#how-does-the-investment-system-work

Is there any possibility to invest/buy some Bitmarks right now?

It will take aeons to mine with a CPU.

If you would like to invest according to the IPM model you can do so right now, although it will be a manual process on my part and incur some trust on your part.

I have the stratum server set up for the IPM Pool and it needs tested.

You can donate to our BTC address 18rai2ichzUfXG6PVmUQLNPqBjtctnVRAD and provide me with a Bitmark address, I will then manually do the IPM process while creating the rest of the IPM Pool.

This will ensure that you get some BTM at a fair price, and help the project by allowing me to test the process properly and what has been built so far.

Alternatively you can ask if anyone will sell any, or hire a miner yourself.

Thank you for your interest in the project.

If I send you some BTC how it will be counted how many Bitmarks I will get for them?

It can be estimated each day based on the difficulty:

difficulty = 25.3615
required network hashrate = 907.7235 MH/s
maximum IPM pool hashrate = 317.7 MH/s

The exact figures can be calculated at the end of each 'days' mining, every 720 blocks. I will manually do the IPM Pool calculations and process.

Today's Estimate is 4788 BTM per $200, or $0.0418 per BTM, or 147.3 BTM per 0.01 BTC
Tomorrow's Estimate based on the IPM pool working at full capacity today: 4788 BTM per $270, or $0.0564 per BTM, or 109.1 BTM per 0.01 BTC

I am prepared to run the IPM Pool manually for 3 days, which places a theoretical hard cap on the total amount for a test run at $740 or 1.2 BTC maximum which should create about 14,360 BTM for investors and 750 BTM for the Bitmark Foundation.

There may be some variance in the exact figures, but at the end of each mining day the exact amounts will be reported.

Bitmarks created take a mining day to mature, so if you were to do this with me it would be roughly 24 hours from investment until the first days report, then another day for the Bitmarks to be mature and delivered to your account.

If anybody is interested in joining a three day test of the IPM pool as outlined above, please express interest and investment amount in this thread.

This is a full test run of the IPM Proposal which manually follows all details, the test is run on the already created IPM pool server, the real automated IPM Pool with user interface will be launched in 4-5 days.

Two parties have expressed interest totalling more than 50% of the first days maximum hashrate so far.
636  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 17, 2014, 01:47:00 PM
Status: We are looking for people to join the IPM Pool Test over the next 3 days.

I dont have a great graphic card for mining but would like to join the Pool test group.

The 'Investor Private Mining (IPM) Pool' works the opposite way, investors put BTC in to get BTM out, as documented here on the IPM Pool proposal
All hashing power is rented.

The test run will beginning soon I believe, two parties have already stated privately that they will join, I have asked them to say this publicly too in the interests of transparency.
637  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 17, 2014, 12:59:35 PM
An open letter:

Dear Dev and Community.

I must admit I'm very impressed with what you are trying to create here. So impressed that I have been throwing ~ 55mh/s at the coin for over 3 days.  I missed the launch but got in at the end of the 16 diff round and have stuck around.  However as a somewhat experienced miner there may be a few reality checks that need to be discussed.

1. The hashrate is tanking. Why? Because nobody knows about the coin. Why? Because you all are too busy being idealistic rather than pragmatic.  Yes, I'm a miner and probably talking through my wallet. But I've got to pay the bills like everyone else.  The coin needs to have a value sooner rather than later to attract interest.  Which leads me to point 2.

...

3. Supply and demand.  I have no problems with the supply. It's issue rate is just about perfect.  Demand however is a problem.  Why would anyone want to own BTM?  It has no real world usage. The fact is that the only crypto with real world usage is BTC.  I can buy everything from a house to a hooker with BTC.  There are various coins that have tried to enable real world usage of their coin.  NLG springs to mind.  I can buy a Subway sandwich with NLG. Shame I live 10,000 miles away from The Netherlands and their 2 Subway shops....  The coin either needs to become a trusted source of value like LTC (which has no real world usage) or a coin that can be used in real life.  I'm guessing that being the next LTC is a worthy goal but is it achievable?

I'm putting my flame proof suit on now.. Although I'm hoping that people read through the above post twice before lashing out.  I'm not a troll, just the opposite, I'm one of the top miners of this coin and I want it to succeed. I'm ben96c on the pool if you don't believe me.

Thank you, and I agree with all that you say Smiley Some points which are not clarified in my previous post are as follows

1. Hashrate has dropped as hired mining rigs from those who wanted to invest at launch have tailed off.

2. We do not want to be the next LTC. We have already created, compiled, tested, and successfully released a new scrypt codebase which effectively replaces litecoin's both for our own project and for new scrypt clones (pfennig). Additionally we have configured the block chain to be more suitable to the crypto currency era we are in now. To me the 'next ltc' milestone was passed when we launched, the technical foundation is there. From now we focus on demand and easing adoption, that is our only focus.

I am glad you feel supply has been balanced fairly, that bodes well for us and gives some merit to the rationale of pre-launch decisions documented on the wiki.

As for demand, and focussing on adoption, I hope we can turn the thread back in that direction, as I said in my previous post there are plenty of interesting things to be discussing.

Hopefully no flame suit is required here Smiley

I do not wish to flame LTC as I admire many in their community, but technically Bitmark is what you would get if Litecoin was created today rather than years ago. I am sure any non-bias programmer would confirm this as a fact. That is technically only, Bitmark's focus after launch, and budding community (hopefully), are quite different.

Status: We are looking for people to join the IPM Pool Test over the next 3 days.
638  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 17, 2014, 12:12:28 PM
exchanges

I am keen to close the issue discussion as quickly as possible, previously I have voiced my opinion

We must be tolerant of each other and balance our needs.

Most are in agreement that they are in no rush to list Bitmark on an exchange, and if it is listed they are not particularly interested in selling.

Most were also in agreement that there was no rush to have a mining pool yet we had one on launch and most of you used it.

It is wise to recognise that when Bitcoin launched there were no exchanges and no pools, and there was little demand, cryptographic currency was new. Bitmark does not belong to that time, it belongs to this time.

With that in mind, we can establish that exchanges exist, and that we will find ourselves on an exchange whether we like it or not, people will speculate, some will buy and some will sell BTM.

Some will see these as negative things, but they are to be expected and cannot be stopped.

We can offset this with the fact that exchanges make Bitmark more visible and simplify the process of acquiring it. It will also encourage more participation from a larger community.

Let us also consider that if Bitmark is not seen as being actively engaging the outward community, they will presume a group of people have slowly pre-mined a large amount of Bitmarks before exposing it properly. That would damage our efforts, and we need to be fair to those who are not with us yet.

I mentioned earlier that people are mining with their own hardware and worry about covering their costs, and others are hiring mining rigs because there is no exchange. The two parties could help each other by investors helping to cover the costs of mining then splitting the BTM between them fairly.

If you are already mining in some way then you must accept that you are speculating and hope to acquire some Bitmarks with the expectation their value will rise, you must be inclusive to others who wish to do the same, that is fair.

Mining pools will join, exchanges will join, people with short and long term interests will join.

Let us together identify which are fair reasonable pools and exchanges, for they will be part of our public face.

The sooner we do this, the sooner we can turn our conversations back to our work.
The problem I see with waiting, is what happens if an exchange begins trading bitmark and then turns out to be a bad player?

This is also my concern, we should recognise that exchanges and mining pools will often be the first point of contact people have with Bitmark, in a way they are part of our public face.

If they are incompetent or a bad player it will reflect badly on the efforts of all of us, the first place people will come to complain is here.

It is responsible for us to consider our future users best interests, whilst remaining as neutral as possible.

Due Diligence.

We should also remember that mining pools and exchanges are also Bitmark adopters, to be in communication with them and consider their needs will help. We may need to change some code, or ensure that checkpoints are created regularly, or other steps.

My Proposal
Submit the coin to Poloniex after discussing it's merits with them and their technical needs. This let's us say 'if you want to see Bitmark on an exchange, we feel this one has your interests at heart'.

Users who want to exchange Bitmark can then vote as they like, we would expect it to be several weeks before the coin would actually be added, if successful.

Then we can return to our interesting discussion about moving Bitmark forward.

Things on my to do list include
1. IPM Pool Test, Pool Manager Creation, and Launch
2. bitmarkj so we can have Hive and Multibit support
3. electrum fork so we can have another wallet
4. our new API so we can encourage adoption and have our own thin client which use full bitmark nodes as their data source
5. website, documentation, and tools for users
6. reference API libraries for major languages
7. toys like vanity address generation, firstbits, faucets
8. To launch Pfennig, the clone-able reference implementation of bitmark
9. integration with services like moolah.io so bitmark can be used
10. setting and achieving some milestones

This list is not in any particular order with the exception of 1. the IPM Pool. I would rather be focussing on these things though rather than discussion about exchanges.
639  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 17, 2014, 10:47:21 AM
Investment in pool will differ from donation as you described above? I mean difference in a coins that we can get for it.

No, it is exactly the same as the IPM proposal except that it is run manually. 95% to investors and 5% to the Bitmark Foundation. The figures expressed above are all after the 5% has been applied.

This will help me automate the process to create the IPM Pool management program, create the reports, show the Bitmark community the IPM pool in action, and ensure you as an investor get Bitmark's at the fairest price, while stabilizing and increasing the value of your own investment.
640  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: July 17, 2014, 10:37:58 AM
Thank you for your answer. I will consider it.

Thank you also

The post has been expanded a little. The simplified part is as follows:

Today's Estimate is 4788 BTM per $200, or $0.0418 per BTM, or 147.3 BTM per 0.01 BTC
Tomorrow's Estimate based on the IPM pool working at full capacity today: 4788 BTM per $270, or $0.0564 per BTM, or 109.1 BTM per 0.01 BTC

I am prepared to run the IPM Pool manually for 3 days, which places a theoretical hard cap on the total amount for a test run at $740 or 1.2 BTC maximum which should create about 14,360 BTM for investors and 750 BTM for the Bitmark Foundation.

There may be some variance in the exact figures, but at the end of each mining day the exact amounts will be reported.

Bitmarks created take a mining day to mature, so if you were to do this with me it would be roughly 24 hours from investment until the first days report, then another day for the Bitmarks to be mature and delivered to your account.

If anybody is interested in joining a three day manual test of the IPM Pool proposal as outlined above, please express interest and investment amount in this thread.
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