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Agreed 100%
But of course 1st AMT has to learn how to communicate with their customers...
Having 2 of BFL's 10GH Jala's I monitor theii Forum often. I seriously thought about getting the Monarch - now water cooled 800GH-1TH Imperial before ordering from AMT. But - 'still under final development. AS CLEARLY STATED in their Forum, but also - very very close and with a GREAT incentive to hang in there. A 2nd Free Imperial within 3mo and a 600GH standard Monarch by the end of the year. Constant update to progress there and still after their long wait - some since August last year - most folks seem placated.
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damn. now ya gots me athinkin' about poking through about 100 fonts I have to see which it is.
Curse you...
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depends on the font used. I use Open Office any many of their 'standard' looking fonts have subtle differences like that.
But yes, they are off to one helluva start on anything resembling their promise...
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Tell me about it. I bought 2 Ant S1's (should be here on Friday) for ~ $675 each, not bad at all for 180-205GH/s!. Ic see BM.ch is selling add-on modules that are 200GH for a tad over $1k. Too high!.
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^^ Admirable goal and words which will be very nice - if they actually do it. Also, ROI based on how long? 6mo? 1 year? 10? "No longer profitable" as defined how? Financially and possibly legally, a rather dangerous corner they painted themselves into there. with such an open-ended promise.
Now that BM.ch has rev-3 A1 units 'shipping in 2 weeks, April 2' (from their March 16th post) if BMch actually does ship then AMT will have no excuse left... Will be an intersting next couple weeks I guess.
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Loking at BitMine's neww lineup, would be nice if my 520 system that AMT was strictly a reseller of, not a builder - gets upgraded to the 600GH BMch replaced that model with...
One can always dream...
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Notice BitMine.ch's splash page? One of the rotators is for "compensation' system... As in for late deliveries? oes that apply to reseller customers as well?
Inquiring minds want to know...
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gotta pay for all them slower than expected chips...
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What the... appears to be a firm with its own design for coincraft a1 miners.... based in Alexandria, Virginia. I'll need to pay them a visit! Plese DO! I'd be a blessing to see if these mythical beasties exist and perform well. Chip cound is right, 40 chips @a comfortable 30GH eah = 1.2TH. Kept in eco-mode, 1TH in the nose. fits perfect with as-reported in the dev thread. |
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In that Dragon thread ^^ mention is made of Innosilicon having rights to also sell BitMine.ch's A1 chip. Now, unless one company is part ot the other - bull. We deal with Asian semiconductor design/production/packaging companies and that kind of agreement is unheard of - Asia or anywhere else in the world. These folks claim to be selling TH unis as well. http://ntekcomputers.com/products/1ths-asic-bitcoin-miner-1000gh |
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As for BitMine.ch's own rigs using the chip: http://bitmine.ch/?p=5404"delivery expected 2-3 weeks' and that's for their own dog food... There*is* hope they will take care of their resellers/OEM's and in turn take care of us. Question is - when & how? Do what BFL is doing and offer a Free Imperial with your original order AND a free 600GH card as well by years end? Highly doubt it... Frankly if I don't get my lil'520 I wants some Ant's as compensation instead. |
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and bet they are running in either low speed or very minimally OC'd to get units out the door. Means a lot of chips vs what was expected. Might hefty dual PSU's as well.
Last I saw, yesterday the Dragon is 'sold out' and now call-for sales.
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As it is, if the pictures are to be believed, AMT & others are now sitting on a mess'o under-performing chips with not even a decent reference design board to use with them... Betcha BM.ch made them and the other companies pay up-front like we did... Can you say screwed, blued, & tattoo'd?
The chips are fine. There are plenty of Chinese vendors with enough skill to build working boards for the exact same chips that Bitmine/AMT are unable to develop. The problem isn't the chips. Have you read the dev thread? I doubt it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294235.380Page 20, Feb. 18 by the way... is when tester/reviewer folks JUST got the chips up and going to any extent. Those lucky soles had received first runs around mid-late Dec. 2013. Continue reading from there. Original promised Turbo speed per chip: 40GH/s Now lowered to 33. On a good day. When the moon is just right... Power usabe at 25GH/s, eccellent at 0.65W/GH/s. in turbo mode... over 1.5w. The list goes on. |
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As I said above - AMT has royally blown this in their actions and business'Plan'. If like they claim are people 'experienced' in this kind of business then as soon as the delay from BitMine.ch started they in turn should have started a back-up plan - like STOP selling systems. Since the mining community was more than willing to pay in advance, then just take a deposit - not the full amount - with the clear statement of these being not-yet in production. Having those advance orders with a deposit would have given investors/banks a nice warm fuzzy feeling to provide working capital until things get moving right. Gotta say it does not look like they or other companies did. They just saw $$$ in their eyes and prayed.
As it is, if the pictures are to be believed, AMT & others are now sitting on a mess'o under-performing chips with not even a decent reference design board to use with them... Betcha BM.ch made them and the other companies pay up-front like we did... Can you say screwed, blued, & tattoo'd?
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I am inclined to believe AMT is legit.
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I do as well and unfortunately for them, they are as much caught in the problems BitMine's A1 chip has as we are. Actually. more so simply because while individually we buyers are currently out xxxx$, look at their position - they have scores of customers that they are obligated to. EACH who have paid them said monies. Aside from hiding & cowering in a corner like a puppy that got caught peeing on the floor AND shitting a brick in panic (making things worse) they need to communicate. Are they possibly business idiots that thought they could easily get into the OEM miner biz? Apparently so.
A. From day-1 of the chips actually getting into the hands of people to test in the real world - eg, actually connected to hardware - AMT should have at least pointed people to the A1 dev thread. All the chips trials and tribulations are there to be read.
B. They damn well had better be holding BitMine.ch's feet to the fire to do something to make this right with customers. If v1 of the chip is really destined to be an albatross then it is up to BitMine.ch to perhaps setup a program to give Antminers of equal or better total hashing speed to us.
In the end I lay this all at the feet of BitMine.ch. They are the ones who blew it. The chips were late - fine. But these were not pre-production test sample chips sent to a very limited # of testers/build companies to be used to find if they actual work right in the Real World. BM.ch hideously oversold the chip to companies and a lot like AMT & others jumped in head first. And hit a rock...
These seem to me to be pre-production quality chips that were expected to work like the computer sims say they should. Well, as their IP design company Innosilicon and BitMine.ch themselves should know better! I have never ever once heard of a complex chip right enough to be a salable item from the very first spin. At least BitMine.ch is getting the same 'roid rage from their own miner rig customers!
Again, I am NOT defending AMT as a business. They need to look at how GM is handling their recall woes and step up to the plate if they really want to get through this. Hiding is just making things worse. Will it cost them? Yep but they should have planned for something like this and not blindly believed this brand-new design would be plug & play easy.
I *do* understand the mess they and other companies are in over this but: They need to TALK! Heck, at least for smaller miners AMT is a reseller - not builder. Soooo. Get some Ants to give those will take them and also start selling them for cryin'out loud. At least they could bring in some money and have a salable item...
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They want to pay my going field rate of $2k US or Bitcoinn-eqiv per-day and we'll talk. Cash or verified BC xfr of course. Paid per-day, 1/2 at noon 1/2 at end of max 14hr day.
Ain't a-gonna help the root problem though: BitMine and their Coincraft A1 rev-1 (I say rev-0.92) chip. My personal and only my personal opinion on the chip based soley on what I have been able to find out and was verified a little earlier on is that the A1 was oversold based solely on unverified - in the real world - design expectations. Being rather familiar with the semi biz I know all too well, unexpected things come up in the 1st revs. Sometimes out and out fatal, others, well call them problematic enough to force a respin based on things learned.
That is, learned from pre-production chips released only to testers...
Not ones sold with the full knowledge that they would be expected to work more or less as spec'd and intended along with the vendor (BitMine) atleast providing proven reference boards to use with them. With the full knowledge that were (are) pre-paid orders expected to be filled with those chips and boards, they have not done this.
Again, just my humble observation on this.
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I'd be happy with an S2 and 3 S1 with a power supply that can power them. It would cost about what I paid give me added hashing power. Even if they just bought an S2 and 3 S1 with out the power supply then I get the hashing power and they'd make a bit of money.
I've already a while ago sent an email to Jim at ATM with pretty much that exact offer regarding my 520 unit. More than happy to call it even with 3 (and given their current cost 4 would be better) S1's to match the hashing rate I paid for. I get my hashing, they even still get to pocket ~1.5k$ profit from it. Case closed. |
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And folks - check out the Official Bitmine Coincraft miner thread here as well. (you go find it like I did). We are not alone and 'roid rage abounds there as well...
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