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Ich war zunächst sehr optimistisch bzgl. KnC und hatte mir auch einen Preorder-Slot gesichert (ohne zu bezahlen).
Mein Optimismus basierte aber darauf, dass die Devs meinten, sie würden kein Geld für eine Preorder verlangen, bis sie nicht
ein vorzeigbares Produkt hätten, welches fertig für den Versand wäre.
Dass sie dann einfach den Mars FPGA in einem (lächerlichen) Video gezeigt haben, diese Demonstration als "Beweis" für ihre
Glaubwürdigkeit in Sachen ASICs benutzt haben und gleichzeitig die Auslieferung des Mars cancelten, das ging mir zu weit.
Es war somit also kein Produkt fertig, nichts war ready to ship, die Tech Demo war unter aller Kanone und was kam.....?
Sie verlangten auf dieser Basis Geld für einen sicheren Slot in der Preorder für ASICS zu denen nur schematische Zeichnungen
existieren. Ohne mich.
Vielleicht bezahle ich meine Vorbestellung später irgendwann mal, wenn sie tatsächlich liefern können, aber auf dieser Grundlage?
No way.
meinst du dieses video ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-240FvDSJswas ist denn daran so lächerlich? mars wurde auf wunsch vieler forenmitglieder gecancelt. knc soll/will sich auf die asics konzentrieren. ich war selbst am open day vor ort. knc/orsoc sind hardwareprofis, mit teils jahrzehntelanger erfahrung im asic design. nicht vergleichbar mit bfl oder avalon. |
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I like the idea of BTC SMC (Bitcoin Small Miner Consortium) But... I fully believe that free markets are the long term best way to handle just about everything. I think the most pressing requirement in the bitcoin world is an Underwriter's Laboratory for bitcoin mining hardware. Some kind of stamp that gives you an idea of the hardware's capability and a separate stamp for the manufacturer. For instance, the Butterfly Labs Jalepeno might get a A- in hashing power to electricity ratio, but the company would get a D- for poor customer service, extended delays and lack of transparency. Avalon's rigs would get an A+ in hashing power to electricity ratio, but a C+ for missing deadlines and poor customer communication.
This is pure bullshit. Because one day 50Mha/s per watt is excellent and you mark it A+ and 6 months later it would need marking C-, seriously, can't you see that? You can rate communication and customer support with letters, but when it comes to efficiency you need scientific figures. is 200MHa/W good or bad? in 10 months it will be pretty low-tech. that is what we are here for: to collect knowledge. your point is valid. i would suggest though to use a more constructive language. this is a brandnew idea. how do similar approval stamps work when it comes to technical progress ? any rating is a rating for the present time, not forever. growing effectiveness is common, ratings are also. there must be a way. |
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Ich hab rausgefunden warum der Kurs steigt! Ich hab bei 72 € verkauft. War ja klar das das das Minimum dann erreicht ist es war auf 66 gestern  das gefühl kenne ich: ich kaufe. der preis rauscht ab. ich verkaufe: der preis steigt wieder.  dann sag das nächste mal hier vorher mal bescheid versprochen. ich habe gegen ende der woche vor zu kaufen. werde dann aber wohl erst mal den sonntag-früh-absturz abwarten müssen. ps: diesmal wird alles anders: diesmal geh ich rein und ...  |
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Looking forward: Only 3600 coins per day to mine, if the exchange price of bitcoin stays at $100, and there are 36000 ASIC devices mining the coins, their daily return will be only $10, 10 month $3000, less electricity cost, not possible to ROI after one year This means, if ASIC manufacturers delivered more than 36000 devices of decent hash rate (9000 devices per manufacturer, given 4 manufacturer now), then some of their late customer will not be able to ROI if bitcoin price does not rise. If bitcoin price rise another 10 times, then it is possible to have 360000 customer. So ASIC manufacturer's fate is tightly related to the exchange price of bitcoin. And they have motivation to promote the bitcoin's public value And how could those out-dated ASIC's be recycled? It will be a environment problem excellent heating. kinda fancy though. |
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This is a novel, pointless and cute idea. Of course it will never go anywhere as risk is part of the buying game. If delivery was 100% guaranteed from any supplier the game would be over.
I don't see why it's pointless. At this point maybe since almost no one has shipped and those who have have shipped almost nothing, but as we progress, I'm assuming the market will mature and companies will set out to be more customer oriented and deliver on their promises in a more timely manner so as to make more profit long-term. Risk is part of the game of life. Every action you take has a risk/reward analysis attached to it. Drive a car; risk getting killed in an accident, rewarded by quick transit to distant locations; reward/risk: high/moderately low Drink water from your faucet; risk drinking tainted water, rewarded by slaked thirst; reward/risk: high/low Skydive from an airplane; risk bouncing like a basketball and dying on impact, rewarded by intense feeling of freefall: reward/risk; very high/moderate Pay a mining company lots of money to make an ASIC miner; risk losing all your money, rewarded by profits: reward/risk: very very high/high Up to you to determine risk, but some people value trusted advice and input to help determine the real risk. Would you buy meat that's not FDA inspected? Maybe, but many wouldn't. JD Power and Associates makes big money with this exact business model. UL same. There is most definitely a market for this stuff. i like your contributions, thx a lot when bitcoin will last, mining will last also. it is by far not to late to get started. we could gather independent experts that would attend the hardware producers/sellers location and check every detail. honest companies would welcome this, scammers not. every involved company would want to get approved. we can come up with rules of customer protection and this evolving industry would need to comply. for example: rules that apply to fair pre-order queues... let´s say in two years the bitcoin price has ten folded. that would mean, that those 3600 bitcoins per day are worth 3,6 mio $. that´s more than a billion a year. that is h u g e. we need to dive into this madness. this gold rush will go on and the stakes are getting bigger. it would be a service that helps the individual to decide and the companies to get approved. that looks like a powerfull position. let´s collect ideas about -what this organisation should accomplish. -what legal form should we choose (non-profit, local offices, central office, etc) -how should funding work in a few weeks/months we meet and go on air. check out all the threads about custom mining, difficulty, about avalon, knc, bfl --- this is epic and it tells us one thing: there is a need for orientation and guidance and professional approval. |
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The Pros & Cons of Bitcoin - LeWeb London 2013 Tolle Diskussion, leider alles auf englisch. Mehr davon und an Plätzen mit mehr Aufmerksamkeit und der Preis fliegt wieder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNXZKwR6Liodie herren auf der bühne machen ihre sache gut! hier hört man gute argumente pro bitcoin. super! thx |
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nice idea.more details are welcome more suggestions also... I fully believe that free markets are the long term best way to handle just about everything. I think the most pressing requirement in the bitcoin world is an Underwriter's Laboratory for bitcoin mining hardware. Some kind of stamp that gives you an idea of the hardware's capability and a separate stamp for the manufacturer. For instance, the Butterfly Labs Jalepeno might get a A- in hashing power to electricity ratio, but the company would get a D- for poor customer service, extended delays and lack of transparency. Avalon's rigs would get an A+ in hashing power to electricity ratio, but a C+ for missing deadlines and poor customer communication. When consumers can review an investment and have a reputable source giving the investment a rating, it really adds valuable information to the consumer's choice. And if these stamps really gain trust in the community, hardware companies would line up to get stamped. I'm not exactly sure whether this falls into a "buyer's consortium", but I think there is a real need for a company whose profits stem from protecting miners' interests and keeping hardware manufacturers honest. Right now the big money is in making the hardware. As this leg of the bitcoin economy matures, a watchdog company becomes more and more necessary. mh... i like your ideas ! thanks for sharing! it is a multi million $ market, and lot´s of people are throwing cash in sometimes really obvious wrong directions. and it is hard to follow epic threads with over 100 pages and other scattered information. so there is a need of some guidance. the mining market will grow wilder than the bitcoin market (and is already) since we are dealing here with speculation ontop of a speculation. we need to start with easy little steps. |
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nice idea.more details are welcome more suggestions also... |
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... auch ein lesenswerter Kommentar: You dont lock your doors? What are you? Canadian? als ich in den usa lebte (downtown memphis) war es absolut üblich sein auto nachts nicht zu verschliessen. es wurde standig eingebrochen. die leute, die ihr auto abschlossen hatten immer kaputte scheiben. die, die es nicht taten, hatten manchmal ein bisschen unordnung oder ne leere bierdose im auto. |
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Yes, we should get connected. And organize. And discuss. And speak our minds.
What method should we use....
How about a forum?
Wait....
nice idea. problem is that they are those trolls...  |
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and they may ship their chips very close after batch III, leaving batch III fools (like me) in the rain. what kind of ideology is this ?  With your Avalon batch 3 shipped this month or even next, you can easy mine 150 btc in a year. Avalon chips will be only ~150 Thash and not added in an instant to the network. this i doubt very very much. after knc they will not do much good. an avalon batch III will mine around 100 btc until the end of the year. if it is shipped soon. if you believe it will be more - feel free to buy my shares of two avalon batch III projects i am selling. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169095.0 , https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158992.0) |
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i think it is time for us, the buyers/customers of any bitcoin mining hardware to get organized.
-there is so much money, literally millions, in the game.
-there is a lot of scam, delay, amatuer play and other problems involved - it is wild west...
-we are paying for this anyway
so why not get connected, organized, get a voice ?
this may even include support with lawsuits
what do you think?
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but appearantly soemone is mining with batch II and batch III. and they may ship their chips very close after batch III, leaving batch III fools (like me) in the rain. what kind of ideology is this ? |
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würde einen anteil für 1,5btc nehmen
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UP
i ordered 500 for 43 btc. what would you pay ? |
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es sind noch
10 anteile vorhanden. unter bitfunder-preis abzugeben.
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