cui bono ?
the people bitching about knc hate those hashing monsters because they invested in avalon chips or else. if they keep people from buying from knc it pays out. i was about to order big time avalon chips when i stumbled across knc. i decided - in the last moment - to switch. what would my feelings be if i had ordered a few days earlier ? would i hate them... or me?   (on the other hand: i should actually not defend knc. the less they sell, the better for me, since i already did order  )

it is incredible though how soft the community is about avalon and how hatefull some are towards knc. i am invested in avalon batch III and i ordered 500 avalon chips and i regret batch III

in a way the competiteveness of the asic miner producers stains through to us - the customers. keep that in mind while enjoying this show.
(i posted this in the kncminer open day first)

wow.

cui bono ?
the people bitching about knc hate those hashing monsters because they invested in avalon chips or else. if they keep people from buying from knc it pays out. i was about to order big time avalon chips when i stumbled across knc. i decided - in the last moment - to switch. what would my feelings be if i had ordered a few days earlier ? would i hate them... or me?   (on the other hand: i should actually not defend knc. the less they sell, the better for me, since i already did order  )

it is incredible though how soft the community is about avalon and how hatefull some are towards knc. i am invested in avalon batch III and i ordered 500 avalon chips and i regret batch III

in a way the competiteveness of the asic miner producers stains through to us - the customers. keep that in mind while enjoying this show.

I hope it is arlanda. then just take the arlanda express to downtown station. Takes 20 min. Then take Taxi to orsoc. Takes 5 min.
Be sure to grab some krones at the airport. Bring credit Card with pin. The swedes all talk english. Write knc a message they should try to serve refrigerated beverages this time. There is a best western Hotel right around the corner.
Finally: be faster with your feedback than the suckers from last wednesday...

auf vielfachen wunsch ( ) hier eine adresse für donations. ich habe mit meinem bruder mehr als 2000 € bezahlt um dort dabei zu sein. (dabei ist der extra rückflug, den wir nochmal buchen mussten, weil wir den eigentlichen rückflug verpasst haben nicht mit eingerechnet...)

19ibzUwVHbSuYsBVfL2mLXrXCUSFg9uEp4

feel free, danke für die hilfe beim posten der pics!

here are some pics i took.

mars in action. almost no noise, but plenty of heat radiation


power supply


inside mars


examples of other orsoc chip design




asic done by orsoc


mars actually mines



me and my brother spent approx. 2 k € to attend there. (no hookers, no party, just flights and avarage hotel, cheapest room)
if you think what we did was worth a donation feel free: 19ibzUwVHbSuYsBVfL2mLXrXCUSFg9uEp4
 

power supply


inside mars


beispiele von anderen chip design projekten


orsoc chip design


orsoc


mars funktioniert

woah.... vielen dank foofighter!


hier ist der mars prototyp in action. das teil sah ordentlich verarbeitet aus. war fast nicht zu hören, aber wärme abgegeben wie ein kleiner heizlüfter.

thx...
hab die fotos bei abload. klappt aber immer noch nicht. kommt immer nur ein fragezeichen. vielleicht zu hohe auflösung?

würde gerne ein paar pics posten. klappt aber nicht. kann mir jemand helfen?

here is some additional information about the open day. i try to be as non-redundant as possible towards what deadterra, daggeteo and johnyj contributed:

disclaimer: those are just my observations, i am no expert in hardware (which you will notice). i had ordered jupiters, but i wanted to check if kncminer is for real before i pay. so i went there to meet the guys. they have convinced me, but that is maybe not really worth anything. asic chip designing is orsoc´s routine job. so for them convincing a non-expert should not be hard.

the open day was held at a downtown stockholm office of orsoc. it was a regular working day, there were offices with people being busy. having a downtown office of this size (maybe 5/6 rooms with overall probably 200qm) did fit my expectations about orsoc from what i learned at the epic kncminer thread in this forum.
we were greeted by andreas kennemar, sam cole, marcus erlandson and michael unnebäck. they were friendly, confident, open and relaxed but serious. it was clearly not the first time that they met with customers about projects. erlandson and unnebäck stated that they both had decades of experience with custom hardware including asic and fpga. they gave us the impression that asic bitcoin mining is actually not "high-end" when it comes to asic engineering.

all four sat in front of the guests and answered almost all the questions asked. the 28nm asics were designed by them but will be produced in asia (china?), they will order the wafers as soon as payment is closed, so they know the quantity. they will order more than needed. the asic producer is waiting, they have pre-arranged it in a way that production can start immediately. the coding is done. the assembly of the asics onto the boards will be done in sweden, but is outsorced, same with putting the boards together. the devices will be tested individually but this takes only 10 minutes. they offer to test it in a way where it mines towards the buyers wallet (but i am not sure if i got that right) they will try to come up with a plug and play set up since they designed the hardware and did the software also.
water cooling will probably not happen since hosters are not happy with fluids that are conducting electricity. they don´t expect heating/cooling to be an issue. they rather put more chips on the board and calm down the load per chip. the design is prepared to handle/cool 1000 watt input. the fans they showed looked impressive (too bad, no pic, but i will try to find something similar) they have time buffers implemented and seem very confident about the time frame.

there are no batches. they will try to deliver as constantly as orders come in. they will order more chips than needed to have always enough chips. after the delivery of their devices has started they will monitor the dollar/hashrate ratio and if this ratio starts looking bad, they will improve their products. they stated that they are not expecting large profit in the beginning.

my impression was that they are professionals with lots of years of experience. it is not an idealistic start-up, but pro´s that like to show the bitcoin community how asic design is done in the real world. 

scam ? no way. risky ? yep.
i am more concerned about difficulty in october or bitcoin price than about kncminer being able to built what they have planned. will they deliver in time ? no one knows.

the cooling device they showed looked similar to this one. i just googled this one, IT IS NOT WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY USING. i just say that something like this was on the table when they talked about cooling.

http://www.blogcdn.com/de.engadget.com/media/2009/03/b_angle-view-1.jpgfront.jpg
 

here is some additional information about the open day. i try to be as non-redundant as possible towards what deadterra, daggeteo and johnyj contributed:

disclaimer: those are just my observations, i am no expert in hardware (which you will notice). i had ordered jupiters, but i wanted to check if kncminer is for real before i pay. so i went there to meet the guys. they have convinced me, but that is maybe not really worth anything. asic chip designing is orsoc´s routine job. so for them convincing a non-expert should not be hard.

the open day was held at a downtown stockholm office of orsoc. it was a regular working day, there were offices with people being busy. having a downtown office of this size (maybe 5/6 rooms with overall probably 200qm) did fit my expectations about orsoc from what i learned at the epic kncminer thread in this forum.
we were greeted by andreas kennemar, sam cole, marcus erlandson and michael unnebäck. they were friendly, confident, open and relaxed but serious. it was clearly not the first time that they met with customers about projects. erlandson and unnebäck stated that they both had decades of experience with custom hardware including asic and fpga. they gave us the impression that asic bitcoin mining is actually not "high-end" when it comes to asic engineering.

all four sat in front of the guests and answered almost all the questions asked. the 28nm asics were designed by them but will be produced in asia (china?), they will order the wafers as soon as payment is closed, so they know the quantity. they will order more than needed. the asic producer is waiting, they have pre-arranged it in a way that production can start immediately. the coding is done. the assembly of the asics onto the boards will be done in sweden, but is outsorced, same with putting the boards together. the devices will be tested individually but this takes only 10 minutes. they offer to test it in a way where it mines towards the buyers wallet (but i am not sure if i got that right) they will try to come up with a plug and play set up since they designed the hardware and did the software also.
water cooling will probably not happen since hosters are not happy with fluids that are conducting electricity. they don´t expect heating/cooling to be an issue. they rather put more chips on the board and calm down the load per chip. the design is prepared to handle/cool 1000 watt input. the fans they showed looked impressive (too bad, no pic, but i will try to find something similar) they have time buffers implemented and seem very confident about the time frame.

there are no batches. they will try to deliver as constantly as orders come in. they will order more chips than needed to have always enough chips. after the delivery of their devices has started they will monitor the dollar/hashrate ratio and if this ratio starts looking bad, they will improve their products. they stated that they are not expecting large profit in the beginning.

my impression was that they are professionals with lots of years of experience. it is not an idealistic start-up, but pro´s that like to show the bitcoin community how asic design is done in the real world.  

scam ? no way. risky ? yep.
i am more concerned about difficulty in october or bitcoin price than about kncminer being able to built what they have planned. will they deliver in time ? no one knows.

so am i

noble. i wish you luck.

concerning the kncminer project current miners have two choices: either invest in kncminer to keep the edge or try what they can do to make it harder for kncminer to succeed.

wannabe miners may have a stake in bfl = dissappointment, or in avalon = mostly dissappointment, or in avalon chip buy = compete with kncminer september deadline

since kncminer proposes to be a game changer this is the only reasonable entry point for anyone who wants to become a miner.

this is why kncminer threads are so inflated. high hopes vs high fears. sometimes within the same person...

that´s what i would call counter productive.

all the millions of dollars going into mining projects in the last couple of months -- what affects could this have on the bitcoin price?

hier haben sich ein paar open day besucher viel arbeit gemacht:


https://docs.google.com/document/d/15js8JsyHAiGoq_ELzx0hxG4xdA9ePJrhrc8y2bbWbRc/edit?usp=sharing

kann ich alles bestätigen.

edit: ich werde morgen eine ausführlichere darstellung meines eindruckes posten

confirmed.

agreed.

i would prefer convincing over forcing.

yours,

600 000 mwatt