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we are working on the feedback. 4 of the people attended may, in order to not be redundant and to avoid confusion about slightly different answers, try to work out the answers together. it was more than 2 hours of questions and answers.
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Looking forward to reports from the Openday on Monday the 10th of June. Who is going to be there?
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Thats why Avalons had no problems at customs. They were paid in bitcoins. The package was shown as engineering sample, so you doesn't have to pay any tax. But there were a few problems with PSU-s wich ha real brand.
If you know what I mean....
YEEES, finally somebody who understand what I mean.) so if KNC declare low price and describe product as some sample, all guys outside EU will pay lower, then guys inside EU, which are pushed to pay VAT from real price. I see, but customs are not foolish, if something is unclear they will request for inovice, link of store and other data. If they find out that seller declared false value then buyer can have penalty or custom seizure item. Its not so simple... knc will declare the product correctly with correct price tag. no messing around with customs from their side. that is what they said at open day. vat goes not to knc, it goes to the state. if you think vat is shitty then elect other politicians but not blame a company for it. any vat collected by any company goes right through towards the local state. |
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I wonder if this thread has been created 1000 times yet? Ok maybe it's only 100, but enough already
and it needs to be created another 1000 times. mbtc is the answer. this needs to spread. it is important for the future of bitcoin. and for our stake in this game. |
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Am I reading this correct -- essentially you have paid for 8 batches but only have 7 orders, due to a mix-up with payment on the 8th batch?
Yes, exactly that  This sounds terrible and certainly not your fault! It is a real shame Avalon can't (or rather won't) correct this.
Well, this sub-forum is full of folks posting their problems with Avalon publicly as their last resort, and even this does not motivate them to respond. This is far beyond 'zero support' and it is a pity to see how such a bunch of excellent engineers succeeded to destroy their reputation by letting their customers / investors down in such a rude and arrogant way. As someone who was sending you recent mining proceeds for chips I certainly hope it wasn't my payment that screwed it up! You have done an excellent job with the chip distribution so far, thank you for your work here. I don't remember which payment it was and it is not important at all. It was my mistake to forward all the collected coins to Avalon without prior checking that all payments are confirmed (I would have expected MyWallet to warn me about that problem, though). One more time learned the hard way, sadly this was an expensive one. that is incredible, avalon star is sinking fast. i am engaged in avalon batch 3 group buy and your avalon chip group buy batch 7. approx. 8 k € is only a fraction of your batch 8 problem, but still is a mess. i suggest if avalon is not responding correctly, the loss at batch 8 should be devided up within the other batches. i would be willing to donate my share. edit: i had several issues with probable loss at exchanges, but it got sorted the community should try to stick together to avoid terrible losses to individuals. we all - more or less - profited in this game so far. why not give some back ? |
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Why the fuck am I supposed to pay "German VAT"?
Should I not pay that at CUSTOMS when IMPORTING that sucker?
Or... isn't the EU a VAT-free zone anymore?
if you can supply them with your vat-number then there is no german vat added for you. only private consumers pay the vat. |
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Can't believe it took 100 pages!:  KnC and ORSoC will be sitting down after dinner hoping to see a discussion about today's open day events, but instead...  That is one sexy pole! I knew that KnC wasn't a scam from the get-go, but somebody had to play Devil's advocate. I can say that you were mentioned and the KnCMiner guys recognized that you serve a useful purpose and that your service is needed in this community and they wanted to thank you for it. Without you, we would be like a flock of sheep without a Sheppard xD In all seriousness they recognized that what you do is healthy and needed. They didn't seem to have taken it personally. //DeaDTerra i can confirm this. i think the language was an issue, though |
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I noticed that on their linux machine, they even had a seperate console utility to monitor the status of all the FPGAs (temp, current, power usage etc), this means that they have a whole suite of FPGA related design platform, and they just fit bitcoin's hashing function into that platform
And they said they are not going to have an ASIC prototype, just replace the FPGA with standard cell ASIC and direct go for mass production. I think this is risky, without a prototype, how can they sure all the heat and power usage fall in a reasonable level? Unless they have done this many times before, they might encounter what BFL experienced last year
Why u dont ask them? as i understood it they are experienced with heating/cooling problems and approaching it with being flexible in both the number of chips used per device and extend of load on each chip in an overall modular setup. |
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Da ich das immer noch unter aller Sau finde und er sich weiterhin noch nicht geäußert hat werde ich den aktuellen Stand hier posten.
Strafanzeige gegen Ihn ist erstmal gestellt.
ähem... sag mal... hast du nicht bei einem avalon anteil verkauf von mir vor wenigen wochen verbindlich zugesagt und dann, als es ums bezahlen ging erst eine fristverlängerung gefordert (und freundlicherweise erhalten) und dann aber, als diese verlängerung abgelaufen war, einfach ohne angabe von gründen "abgesagt" ? da müsste ich doch jetzt - nach deiner logik - auch mal ne strafanzeige stellen. kann es sein, dass du hier nach zweierlei mass misst? (ich will mlb hier keinesfalls verteidigen. ich mag es nur nicht wenn leute gleich zu den bullen rennen. besonders nicht, wenn sie es selbst locker angehen, was eigene zusagen betrifft) |
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Aber wenn man viele hat tun ein paar für ne neue Kamera oder so nicht weh
Nur wenn der Kurs mal für ein, zwei Jahre nicht rapide wächst. Dann kann sich sowas entwickeln. Aber derzeit lauert jeder nur auf die nächste (nicht unwahrscheinliche) Kursexplosion. Und wo ist der Vorteil mit Bitcoins zu bezahlen? Es ist wesentlich umständlicher als Kreditkarte oder Paypal. Stell Dir einfach vor Du hättest letztes Jahr um die Zeit für Bitcoins eine neue Kamera gekauft. Sagen wir mal Kurs 1 BTC zu 8 EUR. Kamera hätte 1000 Euro also 125BTC gekostet. Derzeitiger Wert über 10.000 Euro.  Muss ich noch mehr sagen? Nach der Entwicklung kauft so schnell niemand mehr was für Bitcoins. Das wäre ja auch schlecht für den Kurs, denn die Händler würden die Coins ja wieder in böses FIAT umtauschen. was macht den leuten mehr spass: sparen oder shoppen? es gibt ein paar wenige, denen es was gibt, wenn viel unter dem kopfkissen liegt. aber die meisten anderen erliegen dem reiz der bunten warenwelt. und was könnte schöner sein als etwas zu kaufen, wenn man mit einer währung bezahlen kann, die im wert steigt ? so ist der rabatt ja quasi eingebaut. oh... die neuen turschuhe kosten 100,- €... aber die bitcoins haben sich verdoppelt, seit ich sie gekauft habe... wow, dann kosten mich die nikes ja nur die hälfte... gekauft ! (klar, kann ich warten bis der kurs sich nochmal verdoppelt. aber ich brauche JETZT turnschuhe) so ganz verstehe ich die motivation hinter den andauernden nagativen erwartungen zum thema bitcoin nicht. wenn es alles so trostlos und traurig und hoffnungslos ist, was für einen sinn macht es dies andauernd den leuten hier im forum mitzuteilen. wer denkt dass es nicht gut wird, braucht sich doch garkeine gedanken mehr machen: einfach raus aus dem forum und sich um die wichtigen dinge kümmern. woher hat der, der nur probleme sieht, seine motivation sich hier ständig darüber auszulassen? |
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Danke für die Rückmeldung.
Konntest du den Prototypen genauer untersuchen?
Von dem Video war ich recht enttäuscht
welches video hast meinst du ? es gab ein zweites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-240FvDSJsmars war am minen. sehr leise aber recht viel wärmeproduktion. sah sehr sauber verarbeitet aus. jedem war es erlaubt probehalber mit seinem eigenen mining pool einzuloggen. Konnte man auch die Hardware im Mars sehen? Nicht dass da simple FPGAs von BFL oder ztex etc. verbaut waren und keine eigenentwicklung,. orsoc ist ein hardware entwickler. sie stecken hinter opencores. fgpa und asic sind deren täglich brot, so wie ich es verstanden habe. ich habe fotos gemacht, aber kein übertragungskabel dabei, also gibt es die fotos erst in den kommenden tagen. |
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Danke für die Rückmeldung.
Konntest du den Prototypen genauer untersuchen?
Von dem Video war ich recht enttäuscht
welches video hast meinst du ? es gab ein zweites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-240FvDSJsmars war am minen. sehr leise aber recht viel wärmeproduktion. sah sehr sauber verarbeitet aus. jedem war es erlaubt probehalber mit seinem eigenen mining pool einzuloggen. |
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hallo leute,
also: stockholm gibt es wirklich. ebenso orsoc und kncminer und den mars prototypen. alles real. mein eindruck ist, dass es profis sind. ob sie in der lage sind ihren ehrgeizigen zeitplan einzuhalten kann ich nicht beurteilen. aber sie selbst glauben dran.
es waren 7 kunden anwesend, die frage/antwort session dauerte über zwei stunden.
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here are my first impressions on the open day:
it was held at the orsoc office in downtown stockholm.
the company is for real. sam cole, andreas kennemar, marcus erlandsson and michael unnabäck were there to answer all our questions patiently. they are professionals. it went on for 2.5 hours. we will put the answers we got into this forum as soon as possible.
seven people attended. mars is real and it is hashing. the overall consensus of the people attending was positive.
1-500 preorder trading fury going to level 11 in ...1....2...3 as far as i understood there is no preorder. it was pre-registration only, now it is based on when you pay. basically anyone can order right now and pay within 7 days to be early in the game. edit: not seven days starting from your order date, but seven days starting from payment opening. so it will be coming tuesday. |
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here are my first impressions on the open day:
it was held at the orsoc office in downtown stockholm.
the company is for real. sam cole, andreas kennemar, marcus erlandsson and michael unnabäck were there to answer all our questions patiently. they are professionals. it went on for 2.5 hours. we will put the answers we got into this forum as soon as possible.
seven people attended. mars is real and it is hashing. the overall consensus of the people attending was positive.
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jesus - this thread is getting longer than the bfl pre-order list...
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Hallo, Ich wollte mal nachfragen ob jemand Interesse hat in dieses Projekt mit zu investieren, da nicht jeder das nötige "Kleingeld" besitzt, um auf diesen Zug mit aufzuspringen. Was ich anbieten würde wäre folgendes: 32/35 Anteile https://www.kncminer.com/products/saturnSubtotal: $ 3,795.00 Shipping cost: $ 76.05 German VAT: +$ 948.75 Total: $ 4,819.80 1 Anteil würde 5 GH/s entsprechen und 1,3 BTC kosten. Laufzeit unbegrenzt Das Gerät würde bei mir stehen und es würde eine monatliche Auszahlung geben abzüglich der Kosten die für das Hosting entstehen. Sollte Interesse bestehen bitte ich um schnelles Feedback um rechtzeitig die Order noch bezahlen zu können. Man sollte sich der Gefahr bewusst sein, dass KnCMiner nicht rechtzeitig liefern kann (bisher September), bzw auch garnicht. bin morgen in stockholm bei kncminer und werde mir die jungs mal ansehen. werde euch feedback geben, falls erwünscht. |
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was ist mein pre-order status ? kann ich meinen order no. verkaufen? ist meine bestellung in der ersten auslieferung ? wieviel GH/s machen die aufkleber und wieviel strom benötigen sie?
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Update#2I will bring a powermeter with me, just in case. Good idea with the audio recording. Here in Sweden you don't need to ask for permission as long as you partake in the conversation but it is polite to ask. Photos/Videos (I'll try to include objects for distance-reference) * Mars unit hashing * Mars without a cover/case …shots of the internals if possible * Hashing results in the software client * The power supply attached * A meter read of the power draw at the outlet – hopefully they’ll provide a monitor, or do you have one you could bring? Questions1) Is this demo unit built on the final design revision that we’ll see used at the time of full-scale production? 2) When will Mars begin production, if it hasn’t already? 3) Has any development work yet begun on the ASIC modules? 4) (If you’re not able to get a wattage reading from a meter)What is the power consumption on the Mars device? 5) What is the projected power consumption of the Saturn/Jupiter? 6) Do you plan on discontinuing the Mars BTC miners by a certain date or a quantity sold? (See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg2200152#msg2200152)7) With this modular design, how will the ASIC units be interfaced with each other, considering that additional devices may be added at a later time? 8 ) Will these connected ASIC devices use a single shared network connection? What about the power? 9) Why only 50.000SEK in capital? (about 5500 EUR, not even funny considering there are so many founders. no penalty for failure, so not much of an incentive for success either) #9 I also saw in the thread that people think my business with Andreas has a value of 5000EUR. That is the price it costs to register an AB(limited company)
But we do need clarification on when funds are required from us and whether delivery is guaranteed inside of designated buyer complaint periods given by the chosen payment methods, I.e. assurance that payment is made no earlier than 45 days before product is. 10) Who pays for this really, how? 11) Debt incurred? how much, how long? 12) Why no ORSoC ppl on the board or directors? (not even deputy directors, only K/C wives or family?) (See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg2200152#msg2200152)13) Is there an employee payroll or just founders? 14) Why start K&C AB as a consulting/hosting firm with the ORSoC ppl aboard? 15) K&C AB focus on miners or hosting/consulting? 16) Where is the real office? K's house, C's house, K & C AB office, another one?? 17) What about security (data/facilities)? (why self host? no datacenters?) Disaster recovery plans? [careful, no specifics] 18)What about patents? Potential lawsuits? (are they insured against this?) 19)Are the founders insured? Does the insurance money cover losses/refunds? Is the company the beneficiary or not? 20)Expecting more sale outside of Sweden than in, can they finance the VAT in-between tax return periods? (See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg2200152#msg2200152)21) Project % completion? 22) How much of the production will be financed by preorders? (possible corollary: why not more seed capital?) 23) Obviously with the Swedes' worshiping the semi-permanent sunlight they get for the summer months causing an acknowledged lackluster in productivity (according to JJ), will this in anyway affect the design and manufacture of their Saturn and Jupiter miners? And, what realistically, are the chances of having those devices delivered in September? 24) How can you be confident this will happen when both BFL and apparently Avalon have had issues delaying their production beyond reasonable expectations? 25) Most important can they meet the September 2013 dateline. When is the 350gh/s Asic prototype Miner going to be out? July 2013?? 26) Will KNCMiner support P2Pool mining? 27) Given the five way partnership with three from OrSoc and with their experience of FPGAs and ASICs in the past, how will they achieve their technical goals and how long will it take? 28) Are there any potential third party hiccups that are likely to delay anything? 29) What projects of similar kind have they completed before? Other1) Where are you? Office / Workroom / Lab …?[/li][/list] 2) What else is around? Desks (with phones? ..how many?) / Workstations / Machinery …? 3) Who, specifically, is in attendance at this meeting? Do you see other people around as well? 4) How much noise does the Mars device produce? ..perhaps think of something comparative 5) Do you feel much heat radiation from the Mars unit? dear forum members is it possible to do some research and find out which of these questions are already answered within the last 30 pages of this thread and the two other knc related threads or their website. i would like to only ask questions that are still unanswered and not waste precious time and patience and energy on details that have been solved. edit: questions 3, 4 , 5 ,8, 13,14 and 21-29 will be asked for sure (daggeteo), no need to check them for having been answered already edit: thank you bitcoinorama |
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GUYS
I ve a proposal for u
-I m inventing a new device Named MOON based on 1000 cores of existing SHA256.the device will have a hashing speed of 500GIGAhash/sec
But before taking your money we ll make an FGPA device wich will hash at 5 gigahash/sec. then we ll start to take your money to finance the MOON device
so in that case you ll finance our business venture and we ll make MONEY on your back
Does that sound familiar?
If yes,please be carefull if not,just start to think of what is happening here
thanks for reading
i respect your awareness. you have been burnt very hard before. but the scam you were sucked in is not compareable to this company. |
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