So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!
Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too  Oh dear so this means we not gonna get any staked balls for a month? Cos we moved our coins?  This is not fair and this is not a solution for this issue. I know right! The dev of the coin tells us we have to move our coins then we find out we could lose up to 30 days of staking coins. That is a very large amount of balls possibly lost (200K + in wallet) and it is the Dev's fault. It was NOT an accidental event, the dev has admitted to making a mistake that caused this. Anyone that followed the direct advice of the dev and moved their coins should absolutely be compensated for the loss of coins. Also NOT happy that the dev does not care about the balls traders and people who helped get this coin to where it is today. The only people who seem to matter are the ones that bought his hardware. NOT COOL!!! Waiting for the dev to do the right thing. Taking a chance with his own coins to test is one thing telling everyone else to do the same without knowing the consequences is pure BS and not professional. Then he comes on and almost laughs it of saying he is in the same boat.....IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT. Don't move them, then. My advice is it's better to move them now than wait a month and find out you should have moved them today. I'm not laughing anything off. I completely understand the severity of both the benefits and consequences of my decision I made a mistake, yes, I'm not denying it. I put a wrong timestamp for 2014 instead of 2020, but I actually like the changes it made. It will create far less coins per day. All of you are being very selfish and looking at day to day staking. That's like looking at the moon one night and extrapolating patterns of revolutions. PoS itself is not built to be monitored on a daily basis This is a system built on yearly averages. After 24 hours you will start gaining coinage, which should increase your amount when you do finally stake YOU ARE MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT OF COINS WHILE STAKING - All you have to do is wait a little longer to start now, but there is no max, so once you start staking, your wallet will require ZERO maintenance and attention Everyone is affected the same, whether you are staking on a desktop or our units. The only reason not to fork is there are already specialized units out there that do nothing but stake these coins. If they don't update, they are useless, and not everyone will update them OK I will calm down a little if you can answer one thing. You said above "I actually like the changes it made. It will create far less coins per day" then said "YOU ARE MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT OF COINS WHILE STAKING", How exactly is this possible?  ? I understand how that could be confusing. Ok.... Less coins per day across the entire network. People will wait 5, 10, 15 days without staking then say fuck it and sell. Those coins will never stake, resulting in 0 network inflation Same amount of coins per staking user. It is still 1000% yearly with coinage accumulating at 24 hours. You just can't process a stake for a little longer, now, but once you do get to staking eligibility, you will have a significant pool of coinage to kickstart your 1000% yearly. The stake rate is completely unaffected. All that changed was how coinage is calculated and when you are eligible to stake |
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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!
Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too Oh dear so this means we not gonna get any staked balls for a month? Cos we moved our coins? This is not fair and this is not a solution for this issue. I know right! The dev of the coin tells us we have to move our coins then we find out we could lose up to 30 days of staking coins. That is a very large amount of balls possibly lost (200K + in wallet) and it is the Dev's fault. It was NOT an accidental event, the dev has admitted to making a mistake that caused this. Anyone that followed the direct advice of the dev and moved their coins should absolutely be compensated for the loss of coins. Also NOT happy that the dev does not care about the balls traders and people who helped get this coin to where it is today. The only people who seem to matter are the ones that bought his hardware. NOT COOL!!! Waiting for the dev to do the right thing. Taking a chance with his own coins to test is one thing telling everyone else to do the same without knowing the consequences is pure BS and not professional. Then he comes on and almost laughs it of saying he is in the same boat.....IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT. Don't move them, then. My advice is it's better to move them now than wait a month and find out you should have moved them today. I'm not laughing anything off. I completely understand the severity of both the benefits and consequences of my decision I made a mistake, yes, I'm not denying it. I put a wrong timestamp for 2014 instead of 2020, but I actually like the changes it made. It will create far less coins per day. All of you are being very selfish and looking at day to day staking. That's like looking at the moon one night and extrapolating patterns of revolutions. PoS itself is not built to be monitored on a daily basis This is a system built on yearly averages. After 24 hours you will start gaining coinage, which should increase your amount when you do finally stake YOU ARE MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT OF COINS WHILE STAKING - All you have to do is wait a little longer to start now, but there is no max, so once you start staking, your wallet will require ZERO maintenance and attention Everyone is affected the same, whether you are staking on a desktop or our units. The only reason not to fork is there are already specialized units out there that do nothing but stake these coins. If they don't update, they are useless, and not everyone will update them If your clients for hardware pay you 100$ per units I personaly investing +1.5 BTC in this coins. This is fair for you but not for all. Not all are in same boat. I've made it as clear as possible that if forced with a choice, I will pick the one that benefits our hardware clients more, yes |
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can you make me clear..i have 100 000 coin i bought ..so to stake what should i do..how much should they stay in wallet with out moving to stake
If you've moved them in the last 2 days, don't do anything except keep the wallet open to start accumulating coinage |
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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!
Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too Oh dear so this means we not gonna get any staked balls for a month? Cos we moved our coins? This is not fair and this is not a solution for this issue. I know right! The dev of the coin tells us we have to move our coins then we find out we could lose up to 30 days of staking coins. That is a very large amount of balls possibly lost (200K + in wallet) and it is the Dev's fault. It was NOT an accidental event, the dev has admitted to making a mistake that caused this. Anyone that followed the direct advice of the dev and moved their coins should absolutely be compensated for the loss of coins. Also NOT happy that the dev does not care about the balls traders and people who helped get this coin to where it is today. The only people who seem to matter are the ones that bought his hardware. NOT COOL!!! Waiting for the dev to do the right thing. Taking a chance with his own coins to test is one thing telling everyone else to do the same without knowing the consequences is pure BS and not professional. Then he comes on and almost laughs it of saying he is in the same boat.....IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT. Don't move them, then. My advice is it's better to move them now than wait a month and find out you should have moved them today. I'm not laughing anything off. I completely understand the severity of both the benefits and consequences of my decision I made a mistake, yes, I'm not denying it. I put a wrong timestamp for 2014 instead of 2020, but I actually like the changes it made. It will create far less coins per day. All of you are being very selfish and looking at day to day staking. That's like looking at the moon one night and extrapolating patterns of revolutions. PoS itself is not built to be monitored on a daily basis This is a system built on yearly averages. After 24 hours you will start gaining coinage, which should increase your amount when you do finally stake YOU ARE MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT OF COINS WHILE STAKING - All you have to do is wait a little longer to start now, but there is no max, so once you start staking, your wallet will require ZERO maintenance and attention Everyone is affected the same, whether you are staking on a desktop or our units. The only reason not to fork is there are already specialized units out there that do nothing but stake these coins. If they don't update, they are useless, and not everyone will update them |
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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!
Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too Oh dear so this means we not gonna get any staked balls for a month? Cos we moved our coins? Possibly. But that also means there will be no max coinage, which means you can stake them forever once you get there without having to reset it If we not gonna get any staked balls for a month, this situations is not fair. Same people, probable more milions coins holders indirectly but realy are being penalized by your solutions. Making people update their staking hardware to a new fork immediately upon receiving their unit is not fair. Many are out and people will load them up as soon as getting them without checking the thread first My decisions for this coin have been and always will be for the benefit of people using our staking hardware and ease of use for those units. That is very clear in the OP. This might not be a good thing to say, but those of you using our staking hardware to use BALLS are more important to me than those on a desktop. Making someone update a brand new unit the day they receive it, or stake on an old chain, is not a fair solution. They paid money for their unit, so I will make decisions based on making those easier to use. We could include a fork on all future units, obviously, but all of them already out would be fucked unless they updated, which could corrupt wallets if it's old chains 
It's up to you guys whether you mine it or not. We have plans to use this coin as an incentive program towards our Snowball hardware customers. It has a use for us. Whether you want to participate or not is cool either way. The goal is to provide a low cost, standalone staking device that can earn more than high cost, high energy mining hardware. Minting is the future of low cost coin generation and we are at the forefront both with Maieuticoin and now Snowballs, which are created to out-perform proof of work chains for minting profits vs mining costs |
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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!
Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too Oh dear so this means we not gonna get any staked balls for a month? Cos we moved our coins? Possibly. But that also means there will be no max coinage, which means you can stake them forever once you get there without having to reset it. I did tell you guys yesterday if you were staking already or very recently that you shouldn't move them. Anyone who moved them yesterday did so against my advice of not moving coins that were actively staking |
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You won't help because you can't. Let's be clear about that. You are to stubborn to see that your communication skills are really really really below par. I've told you this before and got backup from some community members. This time again, you did a bad job at communicating. Everybody knows your twitter? Well sure, even Obama does, right? I mean... WTF! Just put in your [ann] together with the rest of social links you have. Makes sense to me! Hard forking is a horrible, horrible practice and should be announced really clear. You did no such thing; burying your head in the sand does not make the problem go away. I'll compile the version 3 wallet, see what it does when it comes to converting the blockchain. If it doesn't - what could you or the community still do? You made it perfectly clear that I'm unworthy idiot to get any service from you. And pretending there are (were) no bugs with your wallet... Come on, just check your own change logs! Really... Devvie And this is your "announcement" on twitter... (which account is yours anyways?? No logical account to be found; not mentioned in your [ANN] either...) https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=maieuticoin&src=typdNEVER is it mentioned there's a HARD FORK coming around. Also I understand that people with wallet version 1.0.3 got their blockchain transferred. Where is that client? Would it still convert the blockchain? Really, your communication levels are below par. Devvie 1.0.8 is the new version, nothing before that will be valid after block 80,000. Before you insult my communication skills, work on your reading comprehension. Tweet all you want about it, I don't care, honestly, and won't be responding to you again. Luckily, we have really nice people here that will still help you, but I will not be one of them. I don't have time to hold your hand because you are months behind, sorry https://twitter.com/PurePoS is my Twitter, everyone knows that Maieuticoin 1.0.8
Many changes in this client. At block 80,000, Maieuticoin will fork to a much higher yearly yield from staking. This change will take effect immediately after block 80,000. This will also be, barring any security threats, the final mandatory update to Maieuticoin's base parameters. Any updates from here forward will be responsive in nature to security risks or optional GUI and feature upgrades Important updates at block 80,000 include:- The MMXIV Ticker has returned! We found a creative way to incorporate it back into the coin
- Yearly staking yield increased to 2014%. The previous rate of 50% was below market average
- Peers that do not update prior to the hard fork will all become rejected nodes after block 80,000
- If you were previously using 1.0.3, the client will automatically reindex the blockchain on first load
- We were unimpressed with 1.0.3; increased orphans with coin control lacking utility. That being said...
- Coin control has been removed for the current build, but will come back with more features very soon
We are very excited about this update. Maieuticoin now runs with a very lightweight, easily modifiable source code and GUI clients. This fork could not come at a better time. The Snowball staking hardware is about to ship and will include this version of Maieuticoin upon arrival. You will be quickly set up, ready to deposit, and start staking in minutes!
You are correct, I can't help someone who is a month behind and on an old fork. It was in the title of the thread for a month, as well as discussed at length in this very thread, in IRC with over 50 people, and on Poloniex chatbox for a long time. Honestly, you might be the first person who I just start deleting posts immediately. Go post this on Twitter again now about how mean I am. I have nearly 4000 posts here, I am obviously not hiding about anything. You can also see the thread title on that post, which reads: Re: [ANN] Maieuticoin | Staking HARDWARE | Hard Fork Coming SOONIf you can be helped, I will help you. You have been a whiny bitch blaming the coin for you being completely retarded since day 1 and I really don't like you at all. I'm just going to delete anything else you post in here, even if it's relevant because I dislike you that much https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623884.msg9588905#msg9588905 |
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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!
Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too |
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*** IMPORTANT *** IMPORTANT *** IMPORTANT *** IMPORTANT ***
Just so everyone knows...we are going to keep what we have going on right now, for a little while at least This was caused by a protocol switch. I had intended to set the timestamp to Christmas of 2020, but instead did Christmas of this year. I messed up one entry in the entire coin; sucks, but it happens. However, while unintended, I think we are going to leave it as it is. The reasons are simple 1) We already have hardware units shipped out that are staking with the current code. Forcing them to update within a month of getting their unit could compromise their staking time if they don't see it right away, which completely eliminates the purpose of the Snowball Staking Hardware 2) People are still staking. Blocks are still flowing. The network hasn't come to a halt, so no immediate emergency 3) I've done some math on what greater affect this will have on the coin. I believe it will increase blockchain security with the new calculation method, while giving us yet another tool to use for inflation control by changing how stake weight is calculated. Stake rate remains unchanged once you start staking; the change has affected when you start, not how you stake 4) I don't feel like dealing with people who get left behind because they didn't update. Somehow this is always my fault to people and I just don't want to deal with it again What is this coin now?Good question. From my understanding, the way stake weight is calculated has changed. I moved all my coins yesterday before finding this, so I will be able to tell you guys how long it takes to mature from nothing now. It would appear that maturity time has been increased, but once you start staking, you're in the same boat you were before Christmas. It would also appear that you actually start gaining coinage after 24 hours, but will not stake immediately. This is where the analysis takes two turns. I am under the impression that it will now require 30 days for coins to mature, while the other person assessing the situation with me doesn't think it will affect maturity times or stake rate too much, so I guess we will see what happens. If people weren't staking and the network halted, I would fork it immediately, but since neither of those has happened, I think we will roll with it for the time being. I will update the OP to be more accurate once we have more data to analyze. We also seem to be ignoring max coinage, which, again, will need to be verified by further analysis a month from now since I just reset my coinage yesterday to try debugging what other people were experiencing My suggestion:If you are actively staking, don't move your coins. If you haven't staked since the week before Christmas, I recommend moving them once as soon as possible, then not moving them ever again I'm expecting a lot of negative feedback for this decision, but it is no secret BALLS was created for the sole purpose of helping us with Snowball Staking Hardware and customers of those units. Without alienating a good portion of our customer base with a hard fork, I am choosing to go down a path that ensures people using our hardware are not negatively impacted by having to update / chance of not updating and losing coins
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And this is your "announcement" on twitter... (which account is yours anyways?? No logical account to be found; not mentioned in your [ANN] either...) https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=maieuticoin&src=typdNEVER is it mentioned there's a HARD FORK coming around. Also I understand that people with wallet version 1.0.3 got their blockchain transferred. Where is that client? Would it still convert the blockchain? Really, your communication levels are below par. Devvie 1.0.8 is the new version, nothing before that will be valid after block 80,000. Before you insult my communication skills, work on your reading comprehension. Tweet all you want about it, I don't care, honestly, and won't be responding to you again. Luckily, we have really nice people here that will still help you, but I will not be one of them. I don't have time to hold your hand because you are months behind, sorry https://twitter.com/PurePoS is my Twitter, everyone knows that |
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Previous one was version 1.0.2, which was working until about 2 weeks ago.
Devvie
There's the problem. We forked from 1.0.2 to 1.0.8 at block 80,000 - Over a month ago Sigh. So now what I do? Did I lose all my coins? And what's up with all them hard forks?? Only means many MMXIV coins are taking out of rotation because not everybody is glued to this [ann]. Why not make a newsletter when something important needs to happen? I can filter that and I would have known. And yes, I'm busy, so it might take 2 weeks before I have time to troubleshoot one of my wallets. I just don't understand you. Sorry for that. Devvie It was announced weeks in advance . Welcome to crypto. Pay attention or get left behind. The hard fork implemented several fixes and updated staking to 2014% - It was a very well known fork. I even put it on Twitter and stayed in Poloniex chat for days while people updated |
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Both were version 1.0.2, which was working until about 2 weeks ago.
Devvie
There's the problem. We forked from 1.0.2 to 1.0.8 at block 80,000 - Over a month ago |
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Ok, I removed all %AppData% for fresh sync. It is synced now, but all my balances are zero! Despite many transactions visible in the history transaction list... Sigh.... I'm really getting annoyed by the 'features' (read bugs) in this wallet. What should I do now?? Devvie twitter.com/devnullius   Should MMXIV / Maieuticoin (build 1.0.0.  still sync? For it won't download the blockchain any longer. It's connected, but won't sync. Any idea why? Something to do with Apple? Whatever that is? Did we fork again? Client also mentions that checkpoint is too old... Sigh. Anyone?  Devvie twitter.com/devnullius Check point to old is normal. Just wait for it to sync. Correct. In addition to the hard coded, the checkpoint server creates a new one every few blocks. Until you are caught up to the most recent, you are viewing the old ones What version were you on before clearing Roaming and when did you update to 1.0.8? There is not a bug in the wallet, but I appreciate you again accusing the coin like last time |
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Yes, once I post what I believe is happening it will explain the issues for the past couple days. There was an unintentional protocol switch that should have been disabled left active, which I actually am considering leaving in If I am correct and we decide to keep this change, I will really regret moving my coins this morning Why regret? What will happen with moved coins? I guess they won't stake anymore, right? I sent 10k balls to another wallet and although there are 10 confirmations, no amount had reached wallet that I sent. Do not send anything out of the wallet to not lose coins. Wait to see what happens, it's certainly not just a minor problem. @iGotSpots take the problem seriously and seek a solution as otherwise lose all. You can send coins just fine; that has nothing to do with the issue Can you let us know what you think is happening. Keeping us all in the dark is not really the best option after telling us to make sure we move our coins because of the 30 day thing then later you say that you would regret moving your coins. If this causes lost coins from staking and or lost coins in wallets are you going to compensate us for the loss??? I am sure many thoughts are going through peoples minds and this silence is maddening....... What is the issue then??? You can send coins safely; not an issue. I will post more details very soon. Waiting for someone I trust to confirm my suspicions before I post any misinformation |
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Yes, once I post what I believe is happening it will explain the issues for the past couple days. There was an unintentional protocol switch that should have been disabled left active, which I actually am considering leaving in If I am correct and we decide to keep this change, I will really regret moving my coins this morning Why regret? What will happen with moved coins? I guess they won't stake anymore, right? I sent 10k balls to another wallet and although there are 10 confirmations, no amount had reached wallet that I sent. Do not send anything out of the wallet to not lose coins. Wait to see what happens, it's certainly not just a minor problem. @iGotSpots take the problem seriously and seek a solution as otherwise lose all. You can send coins just fine; that has nothing to do with the issue I sent in an exchange and are more than 35 minutes / 21 confirmations and do not appear there. I sent a ticket to see what happens and I'll see what I mean when I sent the coins. I posted here because the problem is not a minor one and if I can try to prevent some one not to make any move until a solution is found. You should fix that is to be solved, because the situation for 2 days ago is bad. No shit |
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Yes, once I post what I believe is happening it will explain the issues for the past couple days. There was an unintentional protocol switch that should have been disabled left active, which I actually am considering leaving in If I am correct and we decide to keep this change, I will really regret moving my coins this morning Why regret? What will happen with moved coins? I guess they won't stake anymore, right? I sent 10k balls to another wallet and although there are 10 confirmations, no amount had reached wallet that I sent. Do not send anything out of the wallet to not lose coins. Wait to see what happens, it's certainly not just a minor problem. @iGotSpots take the problem seriously and seek a solution as otherwise lose all. You can send coins just fine; that has nothing to do with the issue |
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Yes, once I post what I believe is happening it will explain the issues for the past couple days. There was an unintentional protocol switch that should have been disabled left active, which I actually am considering leaving in If I am correct and we decide to keep this change, I will really regret moving my coins this morning |
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Waiting for a second set of eyes to confirm what I think is happening is correct before I post about it. Again...we may decide to keep this change if blocks keep flowing smoothly; will need to continue monitoring. That is unconfirmed
Mine have also now stopped staking, but I moved them all this morning to test the 24 hour estimate, as well, so I can't test staking currently
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Found what may be causing the issue. I had set a protocol switch to occur on Christmas for testing and may have missed a timestamp. Still debugging to figure out if that was it, but I believe it could be the cause
With that being said...what I see with the protocol switch (and what I believe we are currently using) is an interesting, unintended change...I may decide to leave it to further assist with inflation control
good morning it is good news a solution is on the way Well, it's actually quite interesting what we have right now if I'm reading it correctly... Blocks are still being found, so if it is doing what I think it is, obviously some people are still staking, so once it's explained, it may actually become an accidental, but viable, solution to inflation |
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Found what may be causing the issue. I had set a protocol switch to occur on Christmas for testing and may have missed a timestamp. Still debugging to figure out if that was it, but I believe it could be the cause
With that being said...what I see with the protocol switch (and what I believe we are currently using) is an interesting, unintended change...I may decide to leave it to further assist with inflation control
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