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December 27, 2014, 11:20:02 AM
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Yes, once I post what I believe is happening it will explain the issues for the past couple days. There was an unintentional protocol switch that should have been disabled left active, which I actually am considering leaving in

If I am correct and we decide to keep this change, I will really regret moving my coins this morning  Sad

Why regret? What will happen with moved coins? I guess they won't stake anymore, right?



I sent 10k balls to another wallet and although there are 10 confirmations, no amount had reached wallet that I sent. Do not send anything out of the wallet to not lose coins. Wait to see what happens, it's certainly not just a minor problem.

@iGotSpots take the problem seriously and seek a solution as otherwise lose all.

You can send coins just fine; that has nothing to do with the issue

Can you let us know what you think is happening. Keeping us all in the dark is not really the best option after telling us to make sure we move our coins because of the 30 day thing then later you say that you would regret moving your coins. If this causes lost coins from staking and or lost coins in wallets are you going to compensate us for the loss???

I am sure many thoughts are going through peoples minds and this silence is maddening.......

What is the issue then???

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December 27, 2014, 11:27:45 AM
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Yes, once I post what I believe is happening it will explain the issues for the past couple days. There was an unintentional protocol switch that should have been disabled left active, which I actually am considering leaving in

If I am correct and we decide to keep this change, I will really regret moving my coins this morning  Sad

Why regret? What will happen with moved coins? I guess they won't stake anymore, right?



I sent 10k balls to another wallet and although there are 10 confirmations, no amount had reached wallet that I sent. Do not send anything out of the wallet to not lose coins. Wait to see what happens, it's certainly not just a minor problem.

@iGotSpots take the problem seriously and seek a solution as otherwise lose all.

You can send coins just fine; that has nothing to do with the issue

Can you let us know what you think is happening. Keeping us all in the dark is not really the best option after telling us to make sure we move our coins because of the 30 day thing then later you say that you would regret moving your coins. If this causes lost coins from staking and or lost coins in wallets are you going to compensate us for the loss???

I am sure many thoughts are going through peoples minds and this silence is maddening.......

What is the issue then???



You can send coins safely; not an issue. I will post more details very soon. Waiting for someone I trust to confirm my suspicions before I post any misinformation

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December 27, 2014, 03:02:33 PM
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my wallet is staking normal, i am only one?
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December 27, 2014, 03:07:08 PM
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my wallet is staking normal, i am only one?

   I think so.  I put 10K in my wallet about 49 hours ago, and nothing yet.  That in and of itself, doesn't really scare me, but the network graph on the wallet does. 
Just gotta wait till spots explains the situation. 

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December 27, 2014, 03:37:11 PM
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my wallet is staking normal, i am only one?

   I think so.  I put 10K in my wallet about 49 hours ago, and nothing yet.  That in and of itself, doesn't really scare me, but the network graph on the wallet does. 
Just gotta wait till spots explains the situation. 

do you try latest "xmass" wallet?
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December 27, 2014, 03:44:42 PM
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my wallet is staking normal, i am only one?

   I think so.  I put 10K in my wallet about 49 hours ago, and nothing yet.  That in and of itself, doesn't really scare me, but the network graph on the wallet does. 
Just gotta wait till spots explains the situation. 

do you try latest "xmass" wallet?

   No, I'm using the latest before the Xmas one.  That was just a theme update, so there should be no difference.  Unless someone can convince me there is a difference. 
Which one are you using?   

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December 27, 2014, 03:51:01 PM
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The stake info 8 hour ago


Stake info 5 minutes ago.

Weight is rising and time for reward is decreasing.
Logical is 8 hours ago is was 43 minutes and now 24.
I see also the netwerk weight is decreasing So I have now much more weight %!
Maybe tomorrow a big surprise stake?

I have also now a second new wallet running with 1083 fresh cheap BALLS and check them when the BALLS are mature.

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December 27, 2014, 04:22:50 PM
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my wallet is staking normal, i am only one?

   I think so.  I put 10K in my wallet about 49 hours ago, and nothing yet.  That in and of itself, doesn't really scare me, but the network graph on the wallet does. 
Just gotta wait till spots explains the situation. 

do you try latest "xmass" wallet?

I have the Christmas wallet and I stake every day.

Like I said earlier though I have not moved any coins at all. I first put coins in my wallet on Nov 4th, after the POW phase.

So far my first stake for the 27th is unconfirmed, offline, but I usually get a stake until it is confirmed.




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December 27, 2014, 04:27:20 PM
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That can be it.

I am never move any coin from my wallet too.


my wallet is staking normal, i am only one?

   I think so.  I put 10K in my wallet about 49 hours ago, and nothing yet.  That in and of itself, doesn't really scare me, but the network graph on the wallet does. 
Just gotta wait till spots explains the situation. 

do you try latest "xmass" wallet?

I have the Christmas wallet and I stake every day.

Like I said earlier though I have not moved any coins at all. I first put coins in my wallet on Nov 4th, after the POW phase.

So far my first stake for the 27th is unconfirmed, offline, but I usually get a stake until it is confirmed.




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December 27, 2014, 07:12:01 PM
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I bought 100 000 balls ..how much stake could i expect daily

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December 27, 2014, 07:19:42 PM
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I bought 100 000 balls ..how much stake could i expect daily
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hi

any news about the stake appening ?

48h not staking......

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*** IMPORTANT *** IMPORTANT *** IMPORTANT *** IMPORTANT ***



Just so everyone knows...we are going to keep what we have going on right now, for a little while at least

This was caused by a protocol switch. I had intended to set the timestamp to Christmas of 2020, but instead did Christmas of this year. I messed up one entry in the entire coin; sucks, but it happens. However, while unintended, I think we are going to leave it as it is. The reasons are simple

1) We already have hardware units shipped out that are staking with the current code. Forcing them to update within a month of getting their unit could compromise their staking time if they don't see it right away, which completely eliminates the purpose of the Snowball Staking Hardware

2) People are still staking. Blocks are still flowing. The network hasn't come to a halt, so no immediate emergency

3) I've done some math on what greater affect this will have on the coin. I believe it will increase blockchain security with the new calculation method, while giving us yet another tool to use for inflation control by changing how stake weight is calculated. Stake rate remains unchanged once you start staking; the change has affected when you start, not how you stake

4) I don't feel like dealing with people who get left behind because they didn't update. Somehow this is always my fault to people and I just don't want to deal with it again


What is this coin now?
Good question. From my understanding, the way stake weight is calculated has changed. I moved all my coins yesterday before finding this, so I will be able to tell you guys how long it takes to mature from nothing now. It would appear that maturity time has been increased, but once you start staking, you're in the same boat you were before Christmas. It would also appear that you actually start gaining coinage after 24 hours, but will not stake immediately. This is where the analysis takes two turns. I am under the impression that it will now require 30 days for coins to mature, while the other person assessing the situation with me doesn't think it will affect maturity times or stake rate too much, so I guess we will see what happens. If people weren't staking and the network halted, I would fork it immediately, but since neither of those has happened, I think we will roll with it for the time being. I will update the OP to be more accurate once we have more data to analyze. We also seem to be ignoring max coinage, which, again, will need to be verified by further analysis a month from now since I just reset my coinage yesterday to try debugging what other people were experiencing

My suggestion:
If you are actively staking, don't move your coins. If you haven't staked since the week before Christmas, I recommend moving them once as soon as possible, then not moving them ever again


I'm expecting a lot of negative feedback for this decision, but it is no secret BALLS was created for the sole purpose of helping us with Snowball Staking Hardware and customers of those units. Without alienating a good portion of our customer base with a hard fork, I am choosing to go down a path that ensures people using our hardware are not negatively impacted by having to update / chance of not updating and losing coins



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December 27, 2014, 08:21:35 PM
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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!

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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!



Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too  Sad

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December 27, 2014, 08:54:59 PM
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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!



Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too  Sad

Oh dear so this means we not gonna get any staked balls for a month? Cos we moved our coins? Cry
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December 27, 2014, 08:57:26 PM
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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!



Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too  Sad

Oh dear so this means we not gonna get any staked balls for a month? Cos we moved our coins? Cry

This is not fair and this is not a solution for this issue.

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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!



Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too  Sad

Oh dear so this means we not gonna get any staked balls for a month? Cos we moved our coins? Cry

Possibly. But that also means there will be no max coinage, which means you can stake them forever once you get there without having to reset it. I did tell you guys yesterday if you were staking already or very recently that you shouldn't move them. Anyone who moved them yesterday did so against my advice of not moving coins that were actively staking

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December 27, 2014, 09:06:50 PM
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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!



Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too  Sad

Oh dear so this means we not gonna get any staked balls for a month? Cos we moved our coins? Cry

Possibly. But that also means there will be no max coinage, which means you can stake them forever once you get there without having to reset it

If we not gonna get any staked balls for a month, this situations is not fair. Same people, probable more milions coins holders indirectly but realy are being penalized by your solutions.

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So i can expect to wait up to 30 days until my coins will stake again after i've moved them yesterday?!



Maybe. Honestly, there are three different opinions from intelligent people who looked at it. Since coins are still staking on the network and blocks are still moving, it's not an immediate threat. I'm in the same boat as you, though, I moved all of mine yesterday, too  Sad

Oh dear so this means we not gonna get any staked balls for a month? Cos we moved our coins? Cry

Possibly. But that also means there will be no max coinage, which means you can stake them forever once you get there without having to reset it

If we not gonna get any staked balls for a month, this situations is not fair. Same people, probable more milions coins holders indirectly but realy are being penalized by your solutions.

Making people update their staking hardware to a new fork immediately upon receiving their unit is not fair. Many are out and people will load them up as soon as getting them without checking the thread first

My decisions for this coin have been and always will be for the benefit of people using our staking hardware and ease of use for those units. That is very clear in the OP. This might not be a good thing to say, but those of you using our staking hardware to use BALLS are more important to me than those on a desktop. Making someone update a brand new unit the day they receive it, or stake on an old chain, is not a fair solution. They paid money for their unit, so I will make decisions based on making those easier to use. We could include a fork on all future units, obviously, but all of them already out would be fucked unless they updated, which could corrupt wallets if it's old chains


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