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6481  Local / Polski / Re: Dziwne naliczanie prowizji na cex.io on: October 08, 2014, 08:56:18 PM
jak dla mnie to jest trochę chore, kupując u nich Gh 101% zysku z wykopanych BTC idzie dla nich jaki jest sens się w to bawić ... chyba jedynie mając własny sprzęt ewentualnie bawiąc się w kupno i sprzedaż Gh chodź i tutaj ciężko jest coś zarobić bo 0.2% podatku tez jest odczuwalne zwłaszcza ze płacisz go dwukrotnie przy zakupie i sprzedaży.

Edit: gdyby te opłaty były naliczane co 24h lub co tydzień to może by się jeszcze człowiek połapał a tak to naprawie nie wiadomo czy leci przycinka o te pare bo pare satoshi ale w przeliczeniu na ilość udziałowców to trochę im tam się uzbiera

Racja. Choc z drugiej strony ciezko ich winic za niska cene bitcoina, jezeli rzeczywiscie tyle ich kosztuje utrzymanie sprzetu to musza to pobierac (inaczej musieliby dokladac z wlasnej kieszeni).

Ale to pokazuje ze ten model biznesu jest wadliwy. Jezeli koszty utrzymania zaczynaja przewyzszac zysk z kopania, to powinni dac opcje tymczasowego "wylaczenia" (albo nawet wstrzymac kopanie automatycznie).

Ale nie zdziwilbym sie gdyby sie okazalo ze sporo przycinaja, nie maja najlepszej reputacji.
6482  Local / Polski / Re: Dziwne naliczanie prowizji na cex.io on: October 07, 2014, 10:12:08 PM
tylko właśnie tutaj jest problem bo niby mam te 4.2Gh ale tak naprawdę tyle nie mam,bo mam 1.77Gh masz niżej wykres mojej prędkości kopania, te 4.2Gh to przycinka bo płace za share więcej a wydobywanie mam na poziomie 1.77Gh, i jak mi omija jakąś rundę to nie dostaje wynagrodzenia za pominiętą https://i.imgur.com/MR2rN4U.png

opłata też nie jest stała tylko zależna własnie od tej "wyimaginowanej" prędkości czyli im więcej mam share w danej rundzie tym więcej płace te 4.2Gh to 512 share opłata 28 satoshi, nie raz mam opłatę na poziomie 200 satoshi i wtedy jestem na - w balansie BTC


Masz 1.77ghs, to ze pokazuje ci 4.2ghs nie ma znaczenia, liczy sie srednia. To samo z oplata, nie wazne ile ci zabiora jednorazowo (nie mam pojecia jak oni to naliczaja), wazne zeby suma oplat za caly miesiac odpowiadala predkosci jaka posiadasz (czyli 1.77ghs).

Oplata jest stala (o ile CEX.io mowi prawde):
 w tym samym linku od Kotwicy:

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Due to new terms with electricity contractors and hardware producers, we announce a new maintenance cost figure, which is $0.105 per month!

Nie wazne czy wykopiesz 10 bitcoinow czy zero, i tak zaplacisz $0.105 za kazdy 1Gh (miesiecznie). Zauwaz ze oplata jest w dolarach, gdy cena bitcoina spada, to oplata (w BTC) bedzie wieksza.

Tyle w teorii, a czy pobieraja oplaty uczciwie, czy przycinaja - tego nie wiem, nie korzystam z cex.io od dawna.
6483  Economy / Services / Re: FortuneJack.com Signature Campaign – Earn 0.08 BTC!!! on: October 07, 2014, 08:16:18 PM
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6484  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are you dumb enough to be a cop? on: October 07, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
"The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test. "


That's just hilarious (or scary). If they had "we're not hiring black people" policy, it would also apply to everyone, in exact same way as IQ policy.
6485  Local / Polski / Re: Dziwne naliczanie prowizji na cex.io on: October 07, 2014, 03:09:16 PM
Witam

Mam dziwny problem związany z kopaniem na cex.io

1. Nie dochodzi mi do każdej rundy w kopalni a jak już dojdzie to łapie mi "transfer" 4,2Gh (raz po raz nawet 10Gh+) a na stan dzisiejszy posiadam jedynie 1.77Gh (dopiero się zaczynam bawić) jak przychodzi wypłata to za te 1.77Gh a opłata za utrzymanie jest wiele większa z czego profit z kopania wychodzi prawie na 0.

2.Jaki jest koszta prowizji kopalni ? 25%?

żeby rozjaśnić zaistniałą sytuacje dodaje 2 screeny

transfer w kopalni: https://i.imgur.com/xVTZQwa.png
koszty utrzymania: https://i.imgur.com/kfkVr58.png



1- To normalne, omija ci jedna runde, ale w kolejnej masz 4.2 gh, prawdopodobnie od czasu do czasu ominie ci dwie rundy. Jesli podliczysz wieksza ilosc rund I wyliczysz srednia to powinno ci dac okolo 1.77 gh.

2- nie wiem jak oni to licza. Na stronie maja info:

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For sole purposes of covering electricity and upkeep, we charge a small commission for cloud-based GHS.
1 GHS maintenance = $0.105 per month

Wyglada na stala oplate a nie procentowa...
6486  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack.com | Live Roulette | Live Sic Bo | Binary Trader | Keno | FAUCET on: October 07, 2014, 10:48:03 AM
FortuneJack featured on bitcoincasino.info. check it out.



Nice.

Also dicebitco.in is officially dead (finally). One competitor less...

Re-design is coming up in 1 week. Most importantly our team started to work on Blackjack. Poker with tournaments is next in line.

What products would you like the most?


ps. big things are going to happen at FortuneJack Smiley

Poker sounds great. But it would take some serious marketing to get it going (PRC struggled with that and disabled it for now and they have more traffic than FJ). It gets even more complicated when you accept multiple currencies. Lets say you have 4 people willing to play, but each of them want to use different currency - it just wont happen.

What would be very useful is currency converter, so anyone can convert to whatever they need at the moment. I'm not talking about peer to peer exchange on your site, more about giving the players option to buy directly from FJ, at the current rate + extra % fee. I know such thing would be hard to implement (if not impossible), but it would solve many issues and give you the best from accepting the multiple currency + extra revenue from conversion fees.

I'd also consider removing (or reducing) the minimum bets in casino. Let people play with very small amounts just to check how everything works.

You got quite good referral program, but don't know why the dice is excluded. If my referrals only play dice, why not sharing some % of profit you make on them? The reward % could be lower than for the casino games, but you should be paying something.

Just my suggestions.
6487  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack.com | Live Roulette | Live Sic Bo | Binary Trader | Keno | FAUCET on: October 06, 2014, 09:44:51 PM
FortuneJack featured on bitcoincasino.info. check it out.



Nice.

Also dicebitco.in is officially dead (finally). One competitor less...
6488  Economy / Services / Re: FortuneJack.com Signature Campaign – Earn 0.08 BTC!!! on: October 06, 2014, 08:00:42 PM
Think everyone confirmed.

When is the 4th week starting? Is it tomorrow, 7th?
6489  Bitcoin / Press / [2014-10-06] BBC - Bitcoin price falls to 11-month low on: October 06, 2014, 07:21:35 PM
Scary title. Quite neutral article (with happy ending)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29507443

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The value of one bitcoin has fallen to its lowest level for almost a year.

On Sunday afternoon Bitcoin hit a low of $290 ($181), and the virtual currency lost about 18% of its value across the whole weekend.

The crypto-currency has seen its value steadily fall since December 2013, when each bitcoin was briefly worth more than $1,100.

Economic experts put the steady fall in value down to the internal mechanics of the system used to generate bitcoins.
Money makers

Since the fall at the weekend, values have recovered. Now, according to Coindesk, individual bitcoins are worth about $330 (Ł263) each.

An increasing number of shops and payment-processing firms have signed up to let people use the virtual currency to pay for goods and services.

Paypal's announcement in late September that it was putting in place systems to let its merchants accept bitcoins caused a brief bump in the value of the crypto-cash, but this has now been eroded.

Some speculated that the fall was due in part to the greater number of businesses accepting bitcoins, which had led to more of the coins being in circulation, depressing prices.

However, said economic historian Garrick Hileman from the London School of Economics, the numbers of bitcoins being put back into circulation via this route was not significant enough to effect prices so markedly and for so long.

The most recent swings in value were down to speculative trading, he said, but this did not explain the long term decline.

One significant factor, he said, was the steady supply of new bitcoins introduced in to the market every day by miners. These are people who use powerful computers to carry out the complicated mathematics involved in validating transactions made in bitcoins. In return for carrying out this work, miners are regularly rewarded with newly minted bitcoins.

"Approximately every 10 minutes 25 new bitcoins are mined into existence, which works out to approximately 3,600 new bitcoins created every day," he said. "At current prices that's $1.2m in new supply coming into existence every day."

Miners converted some of their coins to pay for the power needed to keep machines running and to ensure they used the fastest computers available, he said.

"How much of this $1.2m miners have to sell to pay for these things is a closely guarded trade secret, but unless the market can absorb the new bitcoins which miners sell, the price will fall," he said.

In addition, said Dr Hileman, a whole host of other factors including regulatory concerns, competition from alternative payment systems and the strength of the dollar were all impinging on the Bitcoin world.

Not all Bitcoin enthusiasts were worried by the ongoing slide. Roger Ver, who has invested in several Bitcoin start-ups, pointed out in a tweet that those holding bitcoins had enjoyed a good year.

"For anyone complaining about the current price of Bitcoin, remember it has more than doubled over the last 12 months." he wrote. His message was accompanied by a graph of values from exchange Bitstamp, which showed this time last year the Bitcoin was worth about $120.
6490  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did you notice the silence about this bitcoin crash in Mainstream media! on: October 06, 2014, 06:47:48 PM
And there it is. Today's BBC article. Off-putting title, but quite objective overall:

"Bitcoin price falls to 11-month low"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29507443
6491  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did you notice the silence about this bitcoin crash in Mainstream media! on: October 06, 2014, 04:05:08 PM
There was some attention when BTC fell to around $400. I wouldn't expect them to report every BTC movement.

Hopefully, if BTC bounces back, they'll pick it up.
6492  Economy / Services / Re: FortuneJack.com Signature Campaign – Earn 0.08 BTC!!! on: October 06, 2014, 08:40:38 AM
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6493  Economy / Economics / Re: Scientific articles on bitcoin on: October 05, 2014, 07:34:52 PM
Here are couple:

An Analysis of Anonymity in the Bitcoin System:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1107.4524

Grinberg, Reuben, Bitcoin: An Innovative Alternative Digital Currency (April 21, 2011). Available at SSRN: http://ssrn.com/abstract=1817857


Off-line Karma: A Decentralized Currency for Static
Peer-to-peer and Grid Networks

http://cs.ru.nl/~jhh/publications/karma-static.pdf


+ nice collection of research papers on bitcoin wiki:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Research
6494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Problem: transactions would not confirmed for days! on: October 04, 2014, 09:20:18 AM
You should specify what wallet did you use. Did you set the fee manually, or was it automatically deducted?

I use multibit, and sometimes they add more than usual 0.0001. On one occasion I paid 0.0005, since the amount consisted of fresh coins and many dust transactions.

So it may be the case of the insufficient fees, if so, it will take much longer to process.

Just my thought, I'm not an expert.

 
6495  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Russia to Issue Ban and fines for Cryptocurrency Use on: October 04, 2014, 09:12:32 AM
This article is old and misleading.

There has been a ban on using any currency other than rubles to transact in Russia for quite some time. It is not legal to use USD or EUR in Russia.

Bitcoin was always subject to this but it wasn't actively enforced. This "ban" isn't on Bitcoin, it is on all currencies other than Russian rubles.

Source(s):
http://www.waytorussia.net/Practicalities/Money.html
http://rt.com/business/russian-lawmaker-dollar-ban-663/
http://www.munknee.com/this-proposed-law-would-ban-use-or-possession-of-u-s-dollar-in-russia/

This article is from yesterday and it's based on Lenta.ru article, also from yesterday.
The Russian ban on bitcoin (and other currencies) is nothing new. But the point of the article is that they will be starting to actively enforcing it + introduce the penalties.

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Local media outlet Lenta.ru reports that the regulator, which has been debating the issue of a Russian ban for some time, will officially issue legislation to be made public in due course.

It is expected to include penalties for the use and creation of methods of generating cryptocurrencies, specifically 50,000 rubles (US$1,260) for individuals, 100,000 rubles (US$2,507) for officials and up to one million rubles (US$25,200) for businesses.

Now, how reliable is Lenta.ru, and is tis info correct - I don't know.
6496  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some questions about crypto, btc. on: October 04, 2014, 08:59:27 AM

Orders will be partially accomplished, with and algorithm, trading bots will adjust to sell in a way for maxing gains. I fake the market to stay at the price of others markets, meanwhile i try to sell at the price without lowering too much my coins (i need to sell without being the big whale). Not all buy orders will be executed, Bank deposits to get out last days, someone will notice something, all will dont care, until they are late and wasted, it will be weeks.
...

So now you don't want to sell your coins at 'funny' prices (above market rate), but just dump them without driving the prices down? You lost me here...

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Not all buy orders will be executed

You mean sell orders?

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Bank deposits to get out last days

You mean withdrawals? What you'll be concern with is BTC deposits, these take 1 hour tops. If the price is higher than anywhere else, you'd have a shitload of BTC flying your way (not USD). So it's real sell orders vs your fake buy orders, and since all of them would aim to sell instantly, you'd either have to buy them all with your own USD, or quickly drive the price below the market rate to discourage from selling. In either way you're fucked.


you do realise right now that no one knows how much real bank notes sit in btc-e, bitstamp and bitfinex bank accounts right?

you do realise that just moving 200 coins on btc-e causes peoples naive belief that the market cap of $5billion shoots up to $6 billion.. right... simply because someone ate 200 coins of sell orders (causing a $75 price wall difference($357-$450) due to most sell orders only being 0.011btc).

you do realise that last year mtgox when they had active trading, was doing in excess of 150k coin volume. and btc-e was close behind... but this year btc-e is well under 20k. bitstamp doesnt really exceed 25k. and in both cases most of that volume is internal movements of the MySQL database. not deposits and withdrawals of actual fiat.

so as the OP asks, ignoring the exchanges naive valuation of the market cap because no one can, with any sanity, truly value 13million coins on the bases of less than 200 coins moving around per hour. especially if they cant put a proper dollar value against the cap as a proper measure.

im not saying that its a flaw.. just a naive human acceptance.

i think when things like winklevoss ETF open, where they have to be transparent about the fiat reserves and bitcoin holdings. then a more accurate and healthy valuation can be found.

but right now the only transparent and direct 100% real fiat-bitcoin trade is localbitcoins.

The exchanges are shitty indicator of value, I 100% agree with that. But sadly that's the only indicator that can be used by merchants accepting bitcoins. And they need the price indicator.

Sure I can laugh at the low price, I can value BTC that I hold at say $1000 and commit not to sell below that, but the very moment I decide to buy something with bitcoins, this 'exchanges naive valuation' becomes real.

Haven't used localbitcoins yet, but don't think anyone would be willing to buy BTC from me significantly above the rate on exchanges. Correct me if I'm wrong.



6497  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Classified Ads on Ebay for Bitcoins on: October 03, 2014, 07:29:36 PM
Well he sent me an invoice, and it he put that it was for BTC in the description. Also the invoice was for goods and not a gift to friends or family.

Sounds like he's taking all the risk. If he doesn't send BTC, you should be able to claim the money back from paypal.
6498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some questions about crypto, btc. on: October 03, 2014, 06:37:40 PM

Im sitted on loads of coins. I create or buy an exchange to sell them without lowering the price. With this conditions:
Fake buy orders to balance up my sell orders.
In my exchange, certain buy orders are flagged as fake so i can profit from newcomers without impacting on transactions. Dollars, bitcoins, is my volume i move it wherever i want (im a market maker, i dont pay fees or nothing for moving), meanwhile others are buying my coins high and im getting dollars. After all in all exchanges transactions are anonymous, who knows which is wich, and who is who.
The transactions could all be displayed to all, who knows what is happening internally, in terms of banking audits.


You serious?
You opened an exchange and faked the price up, say 700 USD, while everywhere it's say 380 USD. You don't get any buy orders, but you get shitload of sell orders. What happens when I (and hundred of others) move my BTC and try to sell? Orders won't get executed? You think no one will notice? You wouldn't last an hour.
6499  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Russia to Issue Ban and fines for Cryptocurrency Use on: October 03, 2014, 04:21:44 PM
Im surprised it comes from country almost cut off from financial markets. I guess Russia needs a lection first how these countries who control financial markets worldwide can cut them off from worldwide money transfers to understand why decentralized cryptocurrency is the way to go.

There must be a reason for such action from Russia, I remember they were rather positive at the beginning.

I suspect, they either fear that bitcoin is somehow a CIA project (they don't know who controls the hashing power etc), so decided to ban it as a safety precaution. Or they've run some analysis and figured that allowing BTC may cause outflow of money from Russia, which would further damage their economy.

But maybe there's something else.

On the funny side, the Russian propaganda tube, RT, are very positive towards BTC and cryptos (lately defended the dark wallet concept on 'Kaiser Report').
6500  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Russia to Issue Ban and fines for Cryptocurrency Use on: October 03, 2014, 03:29:22 PM

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112668/russia-to-issue-ban-and-fines-for-cryptocurrency-use



I'm really struggling to understand why they're so scared of bitcoin...
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