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661  Economy / Securities / Re: Is there a market for non-dividend stocks? on: May 10, 2013, 11:02:31 PM
No, eventually the company MUST pay dividends, as that's the only way a shareholder can realize benefit in holding the company(other than waiting for the rare event of some other company acquires your company with cash). A company can delay dividends because it can better use the funds to grow, but eventually it will HAVE to pay dividends. Even the mighty AAPL pays dividends, so does MSFT, INTC, NVDA, QCOM etc... they were once all non-dividend paying growth companies, but eventually, they pay dividends.

not really, often times you see a one time special dividend, singular, to return money to shareholders

dividend companies generally pay dividends quarterly, not weekly or daily like bitcoin mining and gambling companies have been doing

AAPL was a non-dividend company for 20 years

obviously you distinguish yourself as a dividend investor, but there are plenty kinds of market participants

my question is if the bitcoin community, the whole thing, has a risk appetite for growth companies. paying dividends quarterly, or weekly or daily, has nothing to do with a lack of transparency
662  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Another CFTC thread. Bitcoin derivatives. on: May 10, 2013, 04:30:05 AM
hedging, forward delivery, leverage, time premium




663  Economy / Securities / Re: Is there a market for non-dividend stocks? on: May 10, 2013, 02:53:09 AM
Are you referring to just BTC-denominated companies? I'm not sure... There would have to be some major benefit to offset the the lack of dividends (imo).

I am referring to btc-denominated companies.... the benefit of such a company being growth potential, maybe obviously? market share in its good or service?

you have to admit, it would be very ironic to find holders of a risky, volatile asset like bitcoin, to be flocking to conservative dividend companies

anyway, just doing market research.
664  Economy / Securities / Is there a market for non-dividend stocks? on: May 10, 2013, 02:39:41 AM
Is there a market for non-dividend stocks here?

In the long established stock markets, dividend issuing stocks are a small subset of publicly trading companies.

so I am just curious if there is an appetite for growth companies, particularly non-mining companies.

in the stock market, trusts for oil wells and real estate issue dividends more often and at greater value than other issues. so it is expected for bitcoin mining companies to issue dividends, but would like to know the appetite investors here have for other kinds of share companies.
665  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA [HTTPS://BTCT.CO] on: May 10, 2013, 02:35:08 AM
it took me 40 minutes to sell 20 shares of ASICMINER yesterday, can you tell me what happened? My order was intended to fill 7 different bids at the time, why did this take 40 minutes to do? basically 5 minutes between every fill.

my limit order was 7 deep on the bid side, so it started filling from the highest bid and below, but this took forever, instead of instant, why was that?
666  Economy / Scam Accusations / Not paid by SectorZero on: May 10, 2013, 02:12:53 AM
SectorZero was selling XRP for bitcoins

I sent bitcoins to the address specified and never received the XRP or a further reply. Could/should have used escrow, just assumed there were other parties involved moving faster on this bid.

Annoying to see that user still comes online but does not address me.

Small amount, 1.5btc . Sold most of my remaining XRP at its current price because it gained a lot (and I got it for free).

Initially was having some troubles with Ripple.com as their s1 server was down, so I thought SectorZero's delay was due to that, switching to the s2 server during this time period resolved any ripple problems. Anyway, still nothing.

This was over the PM system, so there are many warnings about doing that, this is another warning. Since there is no recourse from posting this aside from possible altruism, "thanks for reading!"


transaction id:
https://blockchain.info/tx/d69a1844d5ad5a684d3bb9c951dcbf1beb05d75a187d5ac98b5812dd126c3c2a

to: 1MT54ASA3L8da2kqGoDpcLtioaXfcMHECM

and you can follow the transactions to see that .99 were further sent to another address, and .5 were sent to a separate one afterwards. green addresses. annoying to watch, definitely.
667  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: do people act worse without escrow here? on: May 09, 2013, 01:49:52 AM
What do you mean 'act worse?'

less cooperative.
668  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Husband does not want me to Day Trade BTC but it works well for some, right? on: May 09, 2013, 12:49:21 AM
If you can't afford to buy more BTC, then you can't afford to day trade.  One bad decision could wipe you out.

haha basically this.

you should just have cash parked into the exchanges (Mt. gox, for cash) with a limit order at a favorable price.
669  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Holy Crap! Is this the Bitcoin capital of the world? on: May 09, 2013, 12:25:34 AM
there are probably more than 13 brick and mortar businesses accepting bitcoins in san francisco, if you have been following the forbes blogger living on bitcoins for a week


go USA


670  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: U.S. regulators eye Bitcoin supervision on: May 09, 2013, 12:24:45 AM
This Financial Times article carries such a deceptive headline.  No one here is talking about regulating Bitcoin, or even Bitcoin trade with fiat, but rather Bitcoin derivatives.  Derivatives meaning futures options and other financial *derivative* products such as those offered by icbit.se (which is fortunately located outside of the US).

But writing about some arrogant regulator talking about *possibly* regulating financial products derived from Bitcoin, and not Bitcoin trade itself, wouldn't garner many link clicks.  So they fudge it.


the CFTC needs to regulate bitcoin futures so that they can get listed somewhere reputable

no big company is going to go hedge-less in bitcoins otherwise
671  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin snack machine (fast transaction problem) on: May 09, 2013, 12:22:46 AM
Ripple, obviously. It is credit while the underlying currency settles.

Yes, true. Ripple solves this problem.

For the sake of the Bitcoin only argument, though, I think the idea of verifying unconfirmed transactions would be useful.

My company is considering blocksplit insurance. basically allowing everyone to accept 0 confirmations and be insured if a bad actor began double spending or going off on their own chain

just not sure what people would pay for that
672  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do most bitcoin users actually think.. on: May 09, 2013, 12:08:39 AM
Bitcoin could really make online as well as person 2 person transaction very easy and practical.

example: If you are with a friend and want to remit 213 dollars, this is impractical since your friend does not accept credit cards.

that amount of cash isn't prohibitive but nobody thinks it is smart to carry that much around, your friend ultimately wants this in their account and may tolerate paypal, but doesn't really want to, because it will take 3 days before it gets anywhere they can actually use, and the "abnormal transaction" might freeze their paypal account since they dont use it regularly.

673  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin snack machine (fast transaction problem) on: May 09, 2013, 12:05:12 AM
Ripple, obviously. It is credit while the underlying currency settles.
674  Economy / Trading Discussion / do people act worse without escrow here? on: May 08, 2013, 11:57:30 PM
Hello,

Do people that would normally complete a trade, simply act worse when there is no escrow involved in a transaction?

your experience, thanks
675  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Ripple offline, so that can happen. on: May 08, 2013, 12:32:27 PM
Ripple/client says offline for me, and I can't check my balance or trade or anything.

So, apparently that can happen.
676  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / ASICMINER the only one shipping ASICS? on: May 08, 2013, 02:49:27 AM
Is ASICMINER the only one shipping ASICs?

someone tell me more about blockerupter
677  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Estimated hashrate of the NSA? on: May 08, 2013, 02:16:12 AM
the NSA created SHA-256 about thirteen years ago, so, yes I do believe they have application specific hardware that can solve that algorithm

there is nothing high-tech or revolutionary about single purpose CPUs. the arms race in processing has always been around general purpose processing.
678  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Next LTC Difficulty Jump :-( on: May 08, 2013, 02:13:41 AM
what are you talking about ? coinotron says litecoin difficulty at 396.6 , this is down from 430 something
679  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CureCoin to be released soon. on: May 07, 2013, 11:45:44 AM
Yes how will the protein folding work with a block chain?

maybe previous blocks can contain messages of previous folding iterations for proteins, instructing each individual machines in the network not to create that same iteration again, further narrowing down different folding patterns very quickly!
680  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How many XRP does it take to do anything? on: May 07, 2013, 11:40:25 AM
0.000000000000001 or something ridiculously small like that.

what determines if I have to use more ripples?
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