Your joking right?

15 cents/kwh, study the charts world-wide for power

Pray tell us,your going to walk into a Government hydro-power office in Thailand and they're going to offer you electricity lower than Venezuela? Thailand has small hydro and coal plants, nothing is cheap; Lot's of mining operations have burnt to the ground, then there is the 90-105F weather 10 months of the year, which means you need air conditioning, then there is the 9 months/year rain, which means you need de-humidifiers. Since Trump did his Tariff thing, Thailand has now 2X importation of Chinese crap,... [ Officially Bank of Thailand say's crypto is illegal, so also got the possibility of thai-prison hanging over your little head, think 'bangkok hilton' where your legs are iron rigid bar locked together your first six months, and only removed on good behavior 100% everyone gets the same service ]

This reminds me of the guys growing 'hops' in bangkok, with AC greenhouses, they have to sell their hop's like 10X of market prices in order to break-even. Only works because they use their hops for their own beer, and for now can charge $12/pint as long as the 'craft beer' fad continues. [ oh, and brewing is also illegal, so if your not thai, to prison you go ]

whattomine.com right now say's an s-9 antminer will net -$1/day at 0.10 kwh pricing, so that tells me that you will LOSE MORE MONEY running in Thailand.

The problem today is that BTC mining is not profitable, not anywhere; Last year it took 20 barrels of oil to generate one BTC in energy, of course that was just energy costs. But that got you say 80 barrels of USD, so the ROI was good, now we're close to parity, before it was a 4x sure thing, a wise investment, now its a zero-sum game, ... GAME OVER


I doubt the 'difficulty' will go down, people will unplug 10's of 1,000's of S-9's and other antminer equiv, but as seen as difficulty is profitable for 0.10 kwh power back on the go, it should be easy to  use math to predict the correct level of difficulty given the situation of infinite cheap miners laying around, it all comes down to where is the cheapest power, somebody the other day here said 'Venezuela', but that would be silly to build infrastructure in a war-zone, during a war. BTC goes to $1500 as I assume, how much profit then? How much difficulty? How many people will run miners to lose money??

IMHO the bitcoin mining game is "GAME-OVER", unless your just fucking around, but at current difficulty its what 2 years on an s-9 to find a BTC, ... a boring game to play.

Future people will look back at the btc mining klusterfuck and say "What were they thinking burning 240 million barrels of oil? for magic numbers", ... lot like priests long ago fighting about how many angels could dance upon a needle top

The other issue with mining is that BITMAIN kept like 10:1 miners for themselves, now they'll be dumping 100's of thousand's of s9's for probably less than $100 in the coming years, think about all that capacity laying around, ... thus difficulty may never really go down, ...

If you live in a COLD year round climate, and like the sound of a jet-engine, then buy a refurb s-9, and get your free BTC every two years.

Well one certainty is that there are many players, the NSA hates the CIA, the Mossad hates the Catholic Church, the Communist Party despises Taiwan; Iran, NK, & Syria .. Hate the BIS ( bank of banks )

It's clear that Satoshi was working for BIS, its clear that he picked two algo's from NSA to be the basis of his BTC ( secp256k1/sha256 both nsa ), Satoshi dissapeared the day Gavin [2011?] met with CIA; I think that point forward Satoshi knew he had to drop out, he was being watched & future monitored.  Later the CIA would use BITCOIN to fund ISIS via al-cia-duh, ...

BTC since 2010 has been guided by the 'hidden hand',

Now to the point, Bitmain ( Jack-Ma/Alibaba ) is investing in all the crypto's not just BTC, so they're covering their bets, they don't know which will be the winner, BTC was just the first that stuck on the wall, as BTC was not the first crypto, it was just the first to gain traction & hysteria.

We see Venezuela issuing their own oil-crypto, and we see Russia doing the same; Everybody wants some crypto action, and nobody wants another USD fiat currency controlled by the USA, but the funny fact is that FED-RES is actually controlled by the BIS, thus BITCOIN is just a way for BIS to cover their bets to ensure they're master bankers in the future.

The problem is best plans go wrong, as we see now their are many cryptos, and we see BTC market-cap go down, and other cryptos go up; There could just end being a basket of cryptos, and the BIS issuing an SDR to cover them all?

Today we have USA trying to retain its imperial power, we have china trying to escape the yoke, we have russia wanting to be free of bullshit, we have dozens of country's tired of being bullied by USA; Thus a vast majority of the world will not embrace BITCOIN because of its close connection with NSA/BIS historically; Most of the Muslim world ( 1/4+ population ) will not, and certainly the Chinese probably with BCASH, will try to make something completely detached from BTC. In the short term of course everybody was making money, but now that the easy-money on btc has been taken off the table, things will change.

Yes, open your eyes, take the red-pill and end the URBAN MYTHOLOGY of BITCOIN.

Bitcoin, was never designed to be safe, secure, or private. It was designed to enslave and micro-control the world.

Satoshi was a Machiavellian, and NOT a Libertarian.

Really the WRONG question is being asked here, the first question is-was "Was the parabolic rise of bitcoin in the year 2017 orchestrated?"

The answer is YES, hell yes, there wasn't a press in CHINA not telling people in June 2017, to 'buy bitcoin', to the moon, all over the world people saw btc go from $1k to $21k during that year, was it orchestrated, promoted? and the HODL, to keep the bag-holders holding,...

Now we all pretty much know who raised the price of btc, it was the whales, the winkelvoss holders, ... blah-blah

Now smart people know that ALL PARABOLIC RISES end in collapse, no parabolic rise in history has not been followed by collapse, its the nature of things, as parabolic rises are NOT NATURAL, they're always man-made engineered 'crowd hysteria',

Ok, so now the engineers of the parabolic rise, take their profits, cuz that's what smart people do, only IDIOTS, MORONS, and FOOLS "HODL".

The other thing that happened in Dec 2017 is that FUTURES went online, which meant whales could sell with covered insurance, they all had been waiting, but nobody could sell HUGE blocks, without effecting price, but futures were a way to cover the drop that followed, so you had massive selling by whales in 2017,

Following xmas the banks shut down credit cards, with already 50% drop in BTC many people who had bought btc 100% financed, were looking at not being able to pay their credit card debt, so they sold their btc, ... and then the ripple effect started,

In summary, the collapse meant nothing, what to look at was the criminals ( exchanges ) and ponzi promoters that pushed the 'HODL' narrative in 2017.

Who are these people you talk of?

In africa everybody has a mobile phone, and they can have phone-credit, which is like money, and you can buy coke or cigarettes with your mobile, and/or top up with cash as you wish,

All of Asia has the same,

Why would the people adopt btc? Its not easy to use,

Who are these people you talk of?

Post Jan 2017, BTC went from $1k to $21k, but that was mainly because the banks let morons buy BTC (INVEST) with credit-card debt, as the little morons had no actual cash on hand, then in Dec 2017, the banks quit letting idiots buy BTC with credit-cards, and the parabolic ramp-up of BTC during 2017, crashed back to earth,

Now as we go forward, ... who are these 'people' you speak of?

Most suckers got fleeced in 2017, and with the FED-FIAT door closed ( but powell may reopen ), and the credit-card door closed forever for crtypo ( banks are seeing an 80% default on btc purchases )

Please pray-tell who are these people? R U talking of white people in USA who are bankrupt?

AMAZON is NSA, GOOGLE is NSA ( putin said so ), Ali-Baba is CP, Jack-Ma who owns baba owns all the mining asic and mining hw companys in china, Bezo's of AMZN is tight with Jack-Ma,

BITCOIN is NSA 100%,

The blue-pill in the matrix is to make you think that bitcoin comes from the people, the red-pill says that BITCOIN is owned and controlled by NSA/CIA/CP, and all under the umbrella of BIS.

Facebooks job is to put 'social credit scores' on everybody on the earth, where if you don't 'think right', then no shopping for you. No travel,  china has already implemented this and its coming to USA and west.

BITMAIN now makes more AI chip camera video scanners than they do miners, these cameras can determine your face and your gait whether your a good or bad person, NSA/CIA has long had cameras cataloging people by the way they walk (gait), in actuality CP ( chinese-party ), and Deep-State (cia/nsa) have the same owners, BIS ( bank of international settlements ) switzerland. People who financed both WW2 hitler to power & Mao (CP).

Google it, the USA 'deep state' is a MAFIA, the Chinese Communist Party is a MAFIA

GOOGLE "Made Men", or watch good-fellas the movie, seriously are you a bot?

In the 'mafia' once your 'made' then nobody can touch you, nobody can kill you, your 'made' which means your like super-man, thus Jack-Ma is now a 'made man' in China, he's untouchable.

The comparison was that they both in recent historical history have seen near 90% total loss of value, that is as far as the comparison has gone.

If you dispute this reality, then what is a mother to say?

The reason for this OP post is that I have read far&wide in the past weeks that "BTC is DEAD", because of the 90% collapse in its total market capitalization, well then why haven't I seen that logic for gold? Well its because people are more comfortable with gold, and its not going to go away, well if your smart enough to HOLD it physically in your possession ( like they do in Asia ).

I think that is possible to have a crypto-currency, that is safe, secure, and private; The problem is bitcoin was not designed for that purpose, it was designed to be tracked, it was designed to be controlled, it was designed to be taxed.

People talk a lot about 'community' here but what they mean is status-quo corporate communtiy ( the true owners of the deep-state ), SHA-256 is NSA, ECDSA-SECP256k1 is NSA, everything about BITCOIN is NSA, which means that they have the back-door, as never in my lifetime have I seen NSA release a public-domain algo, where they didn't hold a back-door.

Libertarians such as the early promise of Satoshi, believed in 'power of the people', but its clear now that BTC doesn't empower people it empower criminals ( exchanges ), and it isn't safe, secure, or private.

CORE must make a decision, come out with a SECURE/PRIVATE bitcoin, or accept the fact that some new COIN will become the 'coin of the people'.

Crypto is great, crypto is the future, but there is a war, between absolute control of everything  by BEZOS/JACK-MA, and the little-people; Posting here is like being in the hornets nest, but people need to wake up, and choose the blue or red pill.

Well the PRESS or the past two weeks has been declaring BTC dead, and obviously the draw-down of BTC was to be expected, nothing goes parabolic, without a collapse to follow, but like GOLD its not going away, simply mean-reverting to its TRUE VALUE, before the idiots came to the test post Jan 2017 and drove up the price with credit-card debt, and FED-FIAT for free. Now there is no MORON money coming to the table, so the  VALUE of BTC will more reflect its value as a means to move assets from A to B during a crisis ( think war ), GOLD can no longer be used and diamonds with the advent of modern body scanners, so now the only SAFE way for people to move vast wealth when they flea a country is with something like BTC, so its NOT going away.

People with wealth will crawl back to it once they see it mean-revert, just like gold has had a safe- band at $1200 for a long time, but it could drop to $1k tomorrow, but that's ok

For now the problem with btc is it could possibly drop back to $400, I think $1400, but $400 is possible;

Lastly the NOTION of INVESTING in BTC is a zero-sum game, its a 50-50 roll of the dice, there is NO  certainty of future value, thus according to Satohsi Math ( Kelley Criterion ) F=2*P-1, when P=0.5, you invest ZERO in something, once BTC falls below its MEAN-REVERSION level then its possible that the P, will go one way or the other,

The problem for now is the UP side is that a WAR tomorrow could drive BTC up but its not likely, on the other hand BTC will continue to draw-down as the idiots are force to close-out.


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BTC for mining is OK, get it for free, especially early, but now its too late to mine, an S-9 Antminer ( bitmain ) will fetch you a loss of $1/day today, so its no longer profitable to mine. Difficulty could drop, but with so many S-9's laying around dormant it will be easy for people in places with cheap-electricity to pick them up, so for most people btc mining will never again be profitable.

IMHO the only profitable way to play BTC is to hack it, and get it for free, runn GPU class mining rigs to find 'lost' pristine SATOSHI pre-2013 coin, is far more profitable than mining. I call this the BTC inflection point, where metal-detecting on the beach looking for lost gold, becomes MORE profitable that scanning the same detector on a river in an old gold mining area. Most people aren't looking for lost-coin, in time that too will dry up, like all things that do, I suspect we'l soon see HW/SW packages sold by china for searching for lost bitcoin gold-dust.

Current figures are a market-cap has gone from $720 billion to $68 billion, the money simply evaporated, e.g. vanished.

Some players lost as much as $168Million USD (NOVOGRATZ) at some trading houses ( institutional  investors ), simply meaning lots of people went bankrupt. Game Over. For many people they will be lawyering up for years fighting about how 'investing' in BITCOIN was insane, ... In summary most 'institutional investors' will fear BTC for a long time and all crypto. Then again, like warren-buffet says, by greedy when other are fearful. ( IMHO bitcoin will mean-revert to $1400, so now is NOT the time to buy, just like GOLD, it must go back to $1k, before its next climb )

Now for the GOOD-NEWS, since 1800's the USA has gone bankrupt like 3 times, and defaulted on its DEBT, virtually every asset on the planet earth in the history of mankind has at one time had a draw-down of 90%, and those that haven't will, this is the nature of human hysteria, and the greed-fear cycle of humanity.

Bitcoin high trading at $21k in later 2017, now bouncing at $3100, that's like a an 86% loss year-2-date, but this is not abnormal, had you bought GOLD in 1978 and HODL until 1982, you too would have lost 84% of your wealth.

History say's BUY-LOW and SELL-HIGH folks, HODL is a game for morons, fools, and idiots.

It's fairly clear here that BITCOIN needs people to hack BTC, to keep it strong, so its in the community interest to know what the hackers are doing, right?

There are people who are bored with the normal 'bitcoin' stuff, and want to take it to the next level, so I guess we move-along by question and answer stuff,

Probably should start with 'how do I collect my database of all addresses and their value', that should be done in python, and I will post the code.

The thing to remember is that everytime the  bitcoin source is updated, they modify the blockchain, which breaks parsers, so its important that your parser is hand-rolled, so that you always know that you can fix it, everytime btc is updated.

You run your parser once to get all the addresses, after you have another task that run's every 15 minutes that updates any new addresses.

Your going to need a 32gb system of ram, and at least one 4tb hard-disk preferrably many, I find its good to have a disk for each category, like

1.) private-key data base
2.) address database ( public-key hashed and not-hashed )
3.) password database - brainflayer text 2-4 tb of all known strings for all languages
4.) bloom-filter databases
5.) AI training database, containing 500 million or more priv/public-address pairs for training FFT, SVM, LSTM,...

You also need many or at least one GPU, for either breaking private keys ( super-gen ), using super-brainflayer, its preferrable to have 1060 or bigger, e.g. more than 3gb of ram, AMD is possible, but support seems to be better with CUDA

You need to be running FULL txindex servers for all the most common bitcoin-clones, including bitcoin, as your going to want at least 200 million or more public addresses for your search space

All the code is written in python, but common tasks are written in BASH, everything is LINUX ONLY, and the GPU stuff is all C++

Read the article,

CHINA owns all the coins, including BTC, because they own the miners, and for every miner they sell the west, they keep ten at the factory to run to get 90% of the coin, today they're going after the top-50 coin's by market-cap, tomorrow, they'll probably go after the top-100

Nothing is because of the cost of electricity, that is an old story, free electricity to miners in china is no longer available, the gov has put an end,

Like the article attached say's all ASIC's are made in china, and they're going after all the coin's, and they're running 10 to 1, for what they sell, and they don't deliver product to the west until the difficulty has sky-rocketed,

All is a rig-game, and in the end when its game-over china will own most of the crypto for all space.

HASHING doesn't have anything to do with BITCOIN hacking, the hash is just used to condense the public-key to an public address that is short,

HASH is sha-256 on btc, ECDSA is the means that private/public keys are encrypted,  k=d*P, where P is the prime for sec256k1, and d is the private key, k is the public key, which is hashed into hex(base16), and then into wif (base16), to be short

It's clear that people who tell people here that something can't be done, don't even know what they're talking about.

Hacking BTC means to try and find 'd' from k the public key, its irrelevant what hashing is as its a one-way operation

When we're hacking we're running predictive private key space, and we convert that to a public-key, and hash and then compare with bloom filters if that 'hashed address' has value in the bloom.

The means to which generate private-keys is done in blocks, the problem is k=d*P, but its in log form ( k=d+P) and we're solving for 'd', so d=k-P in log form,

Sometimes we do know the public-key, because early on bitcoin had the public-keys public in the block-chain, but now they're all 'hashed' that's ok, because we can hash our 'guess' to the public-key when we have a candidate for its private-key

If your 'hacking' and prefer to work with public-keys, then you work with the old legacy-satoshi coin, that's ok, because that is the GOOD STUFF anyhow

If your hacking on the post 2013 block-chain about when they removed the public-keys, that's ok, because you can run though predictive private-keys, and get their public-keys and look to see if that address has 'value'

One of the things with ML or SVM that is powerful is you can 'train' your ML to learn about associations of public-key with private-key, then you can use the prediction for a public-address to check for a region that the private-key may reside,

You can also use FFT to look for periodicity in the training of your machine when learning the association of public-address ( hashed ) with private-keys, there is cyclic redundancy, there always is, just keep it simple in the early learning, so you can see the patterns.

'DONT DO THIS, YOU WILL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT'

What is it with all this, none of the people here have ever even tried to do this stuff, they just jump in and say "This isn't possible",  how do you know if you haven't tried  it?

Take RNN-LSTM, you know you can train ML to do math, right?

Ok, using Msieve and Sage, start small with simple ECDSA and work you way up to SECp256k1, learn to train, learn to train your machine to take simple public-addresses and generate the private-keys, then once you have the simple case working, move up to large prime-fields, always start small.

Another thing is I mention Msieve, this lets you do a prime-decomposition, on the 'P' prime for Secp256k1, once you have the prime-factored, you can use ML to learn factoring, and again starting small you can train your ML to factor larger problems, like DLP for bitcoin.

Baby-step/giant-step is the third case, there are many algo's for cracking ECDSA, this is just another learn to work with simple cases, and then turn your GPU loose on the big cases,

The deal here is to understand the problem FIRST with the simple cases, and really understand discrete-modular arithmetic, and the DLP problem associated with BITCOIN.

Me thinks that not a single person here really has ever done any of the above

I concur the brute-force method is just plain dumb, that's why its called the NAIVE-METHOD to hack bitcoin.

BITCOIN can be hacked, but its clear that if you talk real on this forum you get banned, blocked, ... there is a vested interest with BITCOIN old-boy community to just keep chugging along, and act like everything is fine.


I suspect long after BITCOIN is hacked on a regular basis the people on this forum will still be in denial, and until their own coin goes missing will they pull their head out of the sand.

UH, URG, UUUG

https://blog.sia.tech/the-state-of-cryptocurrency-mining-538004a37f9b

READ, did you did you actually read the attached link? did you read who owns the miners, the asics? Did you? or did you just make your comment based on your emotional eq?

CP COMMUNIST-PARTY 100 richest men, who OWN the PARTY, just this week made JACK-MA a party member, in the MAFIA we call this a "MADE MAN"

Jack Ma owns everything that says CRYPTO in CHINA, jack-ma is NOW head of TECH for CP,

CP is now CRYPTO

Jack Ma wants his social score to control everybody, you don't get money, on a bus, or travel unless your social-score ( facebook ) is over 500,

Jack Ma has placed 500 million cameras in CHINA, you don't go to the toilet without facial ID, JACK-MA has repurposed all of BITMAIN to manufacture AI-ID systems, this is bigger than ANTMINER

JACK MA owns all the crypto, it doesn't matter which one ones, he owns it all,

JACK MA is communist-party, the CP runs china since 1948

Jack Ma is Alibaba, which is AMAZON in USA as Jack Ma & Bezos are siamese twins sharing the common rectum,

All this is coming to the USA, Zuckerberg is also bringing social score to USA, which means if your not nice, you can't spend your bitcoin

You have to build your own, this is easy, can be done with python, running a batch to date takes about 3 days, and then you need a mining-pool algo that run's every 15 minutes and updates your list forever, once you have the initial, you grab from the pool, that way you can get the new addresses before anyone else.

You need lots a bloom-filters, you don't check or search, you have a bloom-filter for every category and you run tools to check and see if that address have funds,

I can upload any python for any problem you want, but I need to know what people need.

The only time you go online is if you find an address that looks good, and then you want to see the value 'now' quite often you'll find the funds are already gone, as a lots addresses are used for 'spinning' or 'cleaning-coins', so the funds don't stay long, but these are the stuff you find the most frequent,

The pristine coins, like the original satatoshi, you can put in a list too, and call it pristine.blm, and then run your tools frequently, but again the odds of finding 1 in 50k is LOW, in your case the odd's of finding 1 in 10**77 is impossible

The problem with the address value bs, is all the code out there doesn't work, all the stuff was mostly written in 2013 and everytime that CORE changes the data-structure the programs get broken, and they're never maintained, that's why its best to have a small python routine that scrubs your own bitcoin server, and you do this ONCE, and then every 15 minutes forever. I like to keep all the different lists apart

like 100M satoshi, 10M satoshi, 1B satoshi ( 0.1 BTC )

Then for every such list you have a bloom filter for that list, some blooms must be 16gb, but these are the same blooms that get loaded into the GPU

Ask questions here, why not??? This is the BTC forum right?

Trouble is the PTB censor everything, they have their own 'myths' study joseph cambell, so why not discuss here, what do the PTB have to fail,

p.s. fuck discord, facebook, twitter, gab.io, and all the other corporate 'chat spots'

What do you have to fear? Just ask questions, and I will answer

Lastly, you asked "How can I get the private-key for 'x' address?" YOU can't its impossible, there are 10**77 keys, there are 10**72 atoms in the universe, you can't even find a mouse on the earth in your lifetime, you ain't going to find a particular atom in the know universe.

What I do is work with 200 milliion used addresses, all at once, using bloom-filters that are on the GPU board, 150M/sec escda transactions, on each the bloom is check on a single cycle, if there is a hit it is recorded and later verified,

Thus I'm 200M more times each day to find the 'atom' than you are, but that is still not much, so then we have to use smart ideas like where to look, in DLP there is giant-step/baby-step, many ways find pre-calculate and no where to look so you drop the odds to your favor.

FYI, there are 50k high-value bitcoin addresses, your not likely to find one even using my techniques daily, but just running through 1 to 10**77, even if everyone on earth had a computer, your not likely to ever find a 'hit' for your address; I get hits everyday, albeit most are 0.0001 bitcoin accounts, but at least their hits,

I think in time we will be able to solve the DLP problem A = D*P, where A is the address and D is the private key, and P is the prime for ecdsa, here secp256k1, log solution  form is A = D+P, so we're trying to find D = A-P, problem is the modula is cyclic, we don't know how many spins, but there are lots of papers on this subject, and now with GPU's we can put a lot of the DLP algos in the GPU memory and let this stuff rip.

This is sort of like saying, "When is the flea on the dog, going take ownership?"

BTC is $68B USD cap, US-DEBT is $600 Trillion in USD ( take cdo, and all debt forms, not just Fed-Res book, or US Treasury )

So BTC is so small compared to the dog, that he's actually smaller by proportion than the flea,

What matter's is when all this corporate 'back debt' takes on crypto for its books.

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Regarding your question, Security & Privacy are missing form BTC, but the PTB don't want that, that's why the NSA/CIA pushes BTC hard, but its also why CHINA has diversified,

I suspect that given CHINA owns all crypto-space, that in TIME they will release the one true coin that rules them all, but china  also will not give the sheep a coin that provides privacy, or security.

Thus its up to the little people to make their own 'super bitcoin', but bear in mind this coin will never be the BIGGEST, just the BEST.

https://blog.sia.tech/the-state-of-cryptocurrency-mining-538004a37f9b

Probably one of the greatest 'myths' of BTC is that 51% 'honesty factor' keeps it secret, keeps it safe per 'LOR' ( lord of the rings )

However a little giant in China called BITMAIN controls +90% of all BTC mining on earth and 10:1 for every remote that is purchased they have ten inhouse generating their own bitcoins. Thus BITMAIN can and will do whatever they want, whenever they want.


What is even more interesting is BITMAIN seems to have targetted ALL high-cap cryptos besides BTC all the way down to the $100 Mil space, where BTC is currently at $68 Billioin USD, diversification at its best.

Most of what I read day to day seems to be lies, like BTC is safe, or secure, ... or that Satoshi's math of 51% is still intact, ... like everything most of the urban myths rolling around BTC are just that myths. The fact is billions of USD have been lost ( exchanges ), and millions of USD have been stolen by weak priv-keys, and trojan-horse wallets ( inside software ).

Why the myths? Well certainly this is all about the "MATRIX", you can take the blue-pill and believe what you read on this board, or you can take the red-pill and deal with what is,

Well the story starts with "Jack Ma", the richest man in China, who also owns Alibaba, but also owns almost all of the crypto-mining hw stuff in CHINA, most fascinating is that "MA" was just knighted by the PRC to become a "PARTY MEMBER", this means that Communist-Party-China intends to adopt CRYPTO as their new currency, tie in that with 'social credit scores' ( think facebook ), and you have total-information-awareness that would make Poindexter/Raygun back in late 1980's envious.

What's more interesting is that Alibaba is tied with Amazon, now Amazon NOT ONLY HOSTS this SITE bitcointalk.org, but AMAZON also hosts the entire DOD defense, CIA/NSA INTEL house, now Alibaba is doing the same. Now CHINA clearly owns the future, unless something is done, but its clear that NWO intends to BRING USA-CHINA together to be one happy bank, where the 'minions' are controlled by how well they behave on their facebook accounts.

Why pray-tell would 'MA' even bother selling CRAP, since he owns the crypto-currency press? Well he has to buy shit to keep his chain stocked, so he pay's his vendors and their slaves in Crypto, thus FREE INVENTORY, you got to admit the CP must be think they found the 'Golden Goose'.

Now where does this leave the USA, If you want a ASIC chip made to find any kind of CRYPTO, you got to go to CHINA, no where on else has the talent, ability, labs, or anything to do this job. So CHINA now OWNS crypto mining, which means they own ALL coin, not just BITCOIN, which means that CHINA is the new "FEDERAL-RESERVE" NEW WORLD ORDER.

The blue-pill ignores what is going on the red-pill sort of in your face tells you what's going on, but does this mean all the theater between CHINA&USA is fake?

Lot's of USA people have a clue that "FED-RESERVE" controls USA, but its going down, as USA reserve-currency status is kaput, as SAUDI is smart enough to not want to keep trading toilet paper for its oil. So CHINA OWNS crypto, but VENEZUELA also is in the crypto-oil game,

Uncle Sam seems to be just sitting on his thumb, feeding the blue-pill to the sheep, but something else is going on here, the people who own "FED-RES" is BIS, they largely also own China, most likely its just a shift, reset, & shuffle.

If you bought GOLD in 1978, and HODL your gold until 1982, you would have lost near 90% of your wealth.

Historically GOLD has performed exactly as BTC is performing now, because then and NOW its speculation ran by FOMO, BTFD, and just plain ignorance that causes parabolic gains.

Parabolic gains, always come back to earth, like Gold, like Bitcoin.

On a positive note, as the price of BTC collapses and all our speculators get burnt and become destitute, in time BTC will return to its humble beginning, where its just mined, and used for transferring wealth. Free money transfer for the little-people, unmolested by Governments ( Here is why we need real security & privacy in BTC ).

Also of course glad to see everybody here hitting the 'shitcoins' hard, if it weren't for the shit-coins, BTC really would have gone to the moon, but the dilution and confusion of the shitcoins, really soils BTC.

Largely the fault is the exchanges, for putting the shitcoins on equal footing, but then exchanges became nothing more than casinos for the speculators,

Remember BITCOIN itself was never a PONZI, its the majority of people that PROMOTE BTC that are the ponzi,

Sort of like the GUN arguments, guns don't do bad, people do bad with guns, same for BTC, BTC never did bad, but Bad people did bad things with bitcoin