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I'd love to hear some "option to deal with it" as you said besides the plethora of protocol because i'm not thinking about an attack nor fake transaction but about real transactions taking place from a big network of different addresses. I gues that MTG or TH use some sort of internal db aceptance between their own users but how do such get finnaly reflected on the blockchain or they dont? Perhaps if the transaction were irrelevant for the btc network until they must leave their controled db to addreses outside their network, they are then centralized as one unique added transaction (guess this is what traderes do) risking them self as happened to MtGox to get their db vulnerated.

Why do you say the network isn't ready? What makes it to be ready? What if there is not such a "plenty of time"?

What if all of a sudden thousands of small transactions occurred daily or hourly on the BTC blockchain? Will it affect into what way the processing time for transactions and confirmations? Will the BLK data file support such amount of data? Will something collapse? Ideas?

Cinco se prenden en armar una noche de poker cara a cara con monedas que representen cantidades de BTC? No necesariamente holdem. Poker cerrado y abiertos a gusto. Fecha y lugar a definir. Creo que la caja podria ser de 1 o 2 BTC y usar los cents como base de apuesta. Al final de la nohe todos mandan sus monedas a cada ganador.

Malu, los seres humanos son por naturaleza seres sociales. Estan instintivamente programados para vivir en sociedad, grupos. Las sociedades se forman alrededor de creencias compartidas y su propia cultura que les permite tomar decisiones que seran o no consideradas validas en dicho contexto y por ende libremente elegir la pertenecia o no a la misma. Las normas consensuadas o leyes son intrinsecas del vivir en sociedad.

Pero llendo a tu ultimo post, creo que lo que pasa es que te basas en malos ejemplos de lo que la política significa y genera. Eso ejemplos no son culpa de la politica solo de los humanos que con la oportunidad se abusan (no por culpa del sistema sino de las mismas personas que toman decisiones libres y que segun vos si no tuvieran leyes o gobiernos actuarian en forma noble o constructivo).

La politica define un modo de hacer concensuado que aporta criterios compartidos para la toma de decisiones. Yo soy publicista y no creamos en absoluta libertad sino dentro de unos parametros que consideramos necesarios para lograr los objetivos planteados.

Digo esto porque creer que ni las leyes ni los representantes, ni el consenso, ni la politica son necesario solo porque estamos llenos de malos ejemplos es caer en una falacia, tal como decir que la energia atomica o la polvora o los bitcoins son malos porqur con los pryimeros se puede matar y con los segundos comprar drogas o estafar gente detras de la anonimidad e irrebocabilidad de ldasb transacciones. NO, hay que establecer criterios compartidos que definan que está bien y que está mal respecto al uso de los mismos y estos criterios tienen que ser velados y por ende responsabilidad de alguien al que todios pagaremos voluntariamente para que vele por nosotros y entonces se comienza nuevamente el circulo virtuoso de los entes de gobierno, que seran pagados con nuestros aportes...

Dejo de diferir pero te cedo la ultima palabra hasta tu siguente reflexión en algún nuevo post.

EDIT: Por desgracia dije que te dejaba la ultima palabra asi que no puedo responder tu último post :-) pero (pero si puedo editar este jaja) debo decirte que ese link me representa ampliamente en la posicion del estatista que reflexiona tras el post puesto que como veras ha abarcado gran parte de los punto que yo sinteticamente he expresado. Me alegra haber captado que el prerfil de tu discurso inicial iba en la direccion de lo que yo he defendido. Te mando un abrazo nuevo amigo.

Still loking to buy a IPhone for my wife, ideally white. Used in mint conditions or new. Been contacted only by people trying to scam. Please only honest people. We shall make a sort of escrow oe prehaps using some sort of service such as spendbitcoins which haven't scammed (yet). Looking for advices.

I'm was surprised today for being the first donator to the Forum... that's not a donor but a honor :-) . But then i'm yet more surprised of seeing only six of us. I don't need the donator badge, nor the colour, I'm just thankfull of having this site to hang out, learn and construct. This makes me think two things, many people here love this forum and would be willing to donate, as other said and perhaps don't because of the amount, I'm not better than them, just perhaps happen to have more coins. You could manage manually as many donnors per day you are willing to process and the others get in the queue. Seccond the 50 BTC might be a bit high if there is no particular or specific project to support.

Third, I believe Mark has good intentions for Bitcoins but I don't think he is the right one to trust the handling of the site nor the information in it, I happen to know him and treated him and I have my strong concerns. Perhaps no one is, but I would really look forward for another hoster.

Esta es probablemente una pregunta para gusti... pero como analizan el ROI de invertir en un rig, una placa o lo que sea. Entiendo que con la volatilidad del bitcoin y las dificultades esto es dificil, pero que criterios usan. Entendiendo que el precio del kw es constante o relativamente, esto almenos puede dar una base de punto de equilibrio minimo a ser obtenido con una combinacion x de valoracion del BTC y de la dificultad actual. Si no se entiende pedirme que reformule. Alguien tiene algun criterio armado que quiera compartir. Quizas un excel? Como ven en la firma soy Argentino asi que datos locales serian agradecidos.

En lo personal imaginarme un mundo sin estado guía, ya que este lo pagan los impuestos, es como creer en un mundo sin leyes, en otras palabras creer en el orden, la cooperacion y la justicia como escencia de la naturaleza humana, que solo se ve tergiversadas en lo que vemos como el accionar diario por los males que ha sufrido a causa del origen de la violencia. En el mismo submundo de los BTC de este foro y esta comunidad se ve mas destrucción que construcción, mas desconfianza que creencia. Admito que no todo es asi, y que es cierto que la libertad es la clave pero creo que el consenso es valioso y genera conceptos aceptados y que esto construye la sana política como la forma consensuada de actuar. Suena a una política utópica pero creo que es por eso por lo que hay que bogar, no por un mundo sin leyes o sin normas. Entiendo tu punto de vista igual, permitime que difiera.

I understand your point, though it's just math to do. Beside selling such hardware local once you don't use them might be a better deal than selling them at UsA.

What wrould take for someone to trust into the renter. Perhaps could be an alternative income for known IT Technical Support Bussinesses which could deal the renting and the mainenance and be backed by heir own offline known enterprise. I could try to find one in argentina if any is interested... I'm not trying to do bussiness for me, just give some ideas to the community.

Ya me canse de felicitartre asi que no lo hare mas. Pero pregunto, los impuestos son para vos parte de esta violencia? Que hace que un % de impuesto sea justo? S justo que todos paguemos para el mantenimiento de un estado protector o de una justicia que vele por el bien de la mayoría? Pregunto esto porque suelo leer escuchar como una "meta"ventaja el hecho de que se puede saltear el pago de impuestos, pero aunque puedo no estar de acuerdo con los gobernantes o los jueces, si lo estoy con la justicia y el estado protector. Creo que si los BTC son considerados un activo contable, entonces pagsaran impuestos y las transacciones se podran hacer transparentemente pagando los impuestofs que correspondan. Las ventajas importantes de los BTC seguiran vigentes, la no demora en los pagos por parte de los bancos (3 dias las tarjetas fde debito), dinero cifrado en el celu sin posibilidad de ser robado, la no necesidad de bancos salvo que uno desee creditos (como la tarjeta de credito), la falta de inflacion, la capitalizacion si la moneda entra en el circulo virtuoso de valorizacion por uso y demanda.

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I see it's getting difficult to gain some trust in the community. I would be glad to be te first one to trust in you. Please explain me the folowing things: which would be the final price in BTC for the iphone 4 16gb? What the difference between a US and a Non US? Are them locked (no prob)? Whats the shipping price to new york? Cant you ship worldwide? Are them refurbished? Are them sent from Apple?

I'm  not a miner yet but in argentina i believe we pay $0,07 per kw. This would be intresting for investors as to rent space and elrctricity for keeping rigs. People could earn money from renting and investors money from mining in more cost effective locations. Its like hireing cheaper workers abroad. Is this done? Investors should pay for the hardware obviously. This thread goes in hand with thre renting hashes thread.

Hey there are several threads about anonimity, lets keep that issue over there. Going back to the original post... btc needs more miners in the same wy it needs a higher value for each coin.  The more the miners, the more stable, unbreakable, and unforgeable is the network. But more miners means less coins per share that can only be supported for a higher priced coin, so yes we need more usd x coin but also more miners. Both come along hand by hand, becouse better prices temps more coiners too. But this thread is mainly about rentinghashes as an investmentfor the one who rents, expecting a certain profit and for the one who gives the hashes as way of assuring and anticipating profits as for example buy more rigs asap instead of waiting payouts.

Anyone has an Iphone 4 on mint conditions for sale in BTC? Must be shipped to Argentina. PM me or answer on the thread. Thanks.

Just to avoid the reading, I can but WHATEVER I whant in AMAZZON USA even the international shipping at regular amazon price. For it I should send you the BTC first or what? TIA.

I worked on a Financial Institution were they made "securities" thats how I believe they were called, on debts valued according their expectation of payment. Then those were sold in the open market. This would be a sort of it in a extremly different way.

Is there any mining pool that allows to rent ghashes from miners? This is the model I believe there should be... it would be a sort of investment model were one should be able to rent on a mining pool an x amount of hashes at a lower instant payment than the expected mined btc espected to be mined in such a period for such amount of hashes... benefits, one invest btc in exchange of a potential benefit of lets say, 10% in a certail period, on the other side the owner of the rigs gets inmediate btc for it's rent lowering his risk of getting or not lucky according the expected btc founds, and the pool gets a % over the transaction. Here should be a sort of uptime status and trust for the rented hashes. This might get more people into mining, who then might be willing to create their own rigs.