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6601  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-24.com matching engine seems broken, site down. on: April 18, 2013, 09:46:37 AM
From what I understood the German state attorney ordered the account freezing not because of bitcoin directly  but because they believe that the accounts got money from phishing scams. Apparently they think fiat money from phishing attacks (which they seem to think originated from Simon) landed on those bank accounts. Their only argument written in the document is a significant rise of incoming money in march (March, as in the beginning of the last rally).

Thanks! Well, if this is the reason for closing the account, at least the increased influx of money during the March rally could easily be explained. The question is whether the German authorities accept this explanation...


here is the document.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf

german aouthorities.... WE ARE LOST. they are the most uninformed, stubborn, incompetent lifeform on earth. we should sue THEM, not simon. yep, we should all sue the german authorities and banks who created this mess. after we are through with them they´d never touch btc accounts again.
6602  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-24.com matching engine seems broken, site down. on: April 18, 2013, 08:43:37 AM
here is an update from btc24-help.com

it is in german.
he is basically blaming the german authorities for the mess. he is not walking away, has no interest in all this money. he is getting scared by death threats. he will sue people that threaten his life.

Commerzbank / Statement
by TAiS46 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:25 am

Wir sind bereits einen kleinen Schritt weiter.
Das Größte Problem ist, das egal was ich veröffentliche, als "fake" dargetsellt wird.

Das, was ein sehr ernstes Thema ist, ist auf der anderen Seite irgendwie lächerlich!


Wieso war ein Konto bei der Commerzbank nötig?
Der Zahlungsanbieter Giropay, welchen ich zu Bitcoin-24 hinzu gefügt habe, weil es Probleme mit
Sofortüberweisung gab, forderte ein Deutsches Konto. Somit eröffnete ich ein Konto bei der Commerzbank.
Meine Beraterin bei der Kommerzbank wurde ausführlich darüber informiert, was ich vor habe
und wie viel Umsatz das Project erwirtschaften wird.
Somit was das Konto der Commerzbank, für das Anbieten von Giropay nötig.

Weswegen wurde das Konto in Polen gesperrt?
Das Konto in Polen wurde gesperrt, da die Kriminalpolizei in Bremen um Amtshilfe gebeten hat.
Es liegt, von den Polnischen behörden, nichts gegen mich in der hand, warum auch?
Die Polen haben einfach nur die Wörter "Geldwäsche und Terrorismusfinanzierung" gehört und haben mein Konto gesperrt.
Gegen die Sperrung wurde am 16.04. Einspruch eingelegt.

Was / wer steckt wirklich hinter dem ganzen und was sind die Gründe?
Der Grund ist ernst, genau so wie lächerlich! Es ist im prinzip so lächerlich, das es ggf.
die meisten für einen Scherz halten werden:
Die Commerzbank in Bremen hat der Kriminalpolizi in Bremen gemeldet, das ich des öfteren
über Bargeld verfüge. Die verfügung über Bargeld ist mein gutes Recht und ich denke Ihr wisst, das die jenigen,
die Bitcoin unterstüzten den Banken nicht wirklich trauen.
Die Bargeld verfügungen haben NICHTS mit den Einlagen der Kunden zu tun. Dies versichere ich!
Entweder es war der Gewinn durch die "Same-Day" Überweisungen, durch die Parcels oder durch die Spenden,
was abgehoben wurde.
Nun war es so, das auf das Konto der Commerzbank nur Zahlungen von Giropay eingelaufen sind.
Giropay Gelder wären als Geschäftlich gehandelt, ich habe mir dennoch den Gewinn von dem
Commerzbank Konto auszahlen lassen. Dies ist wie gesagt nicht verboten und mein gutes Recht.
Die Commerzbank wirft mir nun folgendes vor:
[...]Die von den Kunden zum Kauf bzw. Handel mit Bitcoins via "Giropay" auf sein Konto bei der Commerzbank Bremen überwiesenen und dort auch eingegangenen Geldbeträge beabsichtigt er bar zu verfügung und für eigene Zwecke zu verwenden.[...]

Dies stimmt jedoch in keinster Weise, denn auf der Commerzbank liegt AUCH ein großteil der Kundeneinlagen.
Die Commerzbank hat nun diese "Vorgehensweise" der Kriminalpolizei Bremen gemeldet, welche das Commerzbank Konto
gepfändet haben. Dies mit einem großteil der Kundeneinladen.

Wie sieht die aktuelle Situation aus?
Wie gesagt, gegen die Sperrung bei der Polnischen Bank wurde einspruch erhoben, das es kein Grund gab.
Gegen die Commerzbank wird ein Strafverfahren eröffnet, da durch die Commerzbank ein sehr großer Schaden entstanden ist.
1. Die Blockierung des Kontos in Polen 2. Die Blockierung des Kontos in Deutschland 3. die Handlungsunfähigkeit meinerseits, also Geschäftsführer der BTC24 Limited.


Leute, was denkt ich von mir? Das ich auf einer Insel bin, einen dicken Wagen fahre und mir ein schönes leben mache?
NEIN! Mein Leben ist genau so wie davor und ich werde sicherlich NICHTS mit den Einlagen der Kunden machen!
Klar, non-profit und so weiter! Aber die Same-Day Überweisungen, welche alleine schon ca. 20 Stück am Tag waren,
welche eine Gebühr von 1% Kosten, bringen mir genug Gewinn von der Plattform!

Ich wollte etwas schaffen, wo Leute mit Bitcoins handeln können. Dies habe ich geschafft. Dies wird mir jedoch kaputt gemacht,
dadurch das mir Konten gesperrt werden!
So leid es mir jedem tut, aber ich kann im Grunde genommen wirklich nichts dafür! Ich habe mit
zwei verschiedenen Konten gearbeitet, wo beide Banken wussten, was ich mache und welcher Umsatz
auf den Konten zu verzeichnen sein wird.
Trotz der ganzen Sachen wie "Wo ist Simon Hausdorf" werde ich mich nicht verkriechen und werde offen dazu stehen,
was passiert ist und was weiter passiert. Die Bedingung ist jedoch, das die Benutzer / Ihr mir glaubt.

Mal im ernst! Wenn ich euch (die Benutzer) verarscht hätte, warum schreibe ich dann hier und
bin nicht schon längst mit den 5 Millionen abgehauen? Ok, vielleicht weil ich nicht an das Geld ran komme,
aber das hätte ich doch schon viel früher machen können? Leute, das Geld juckt mich 0! Es steht
wirklich etwas anderes im Vordergrund.

Die Beamten interessiert nicht mal, das ich denen sage, das ich durch die Sperrung nun Handlungsunfähig bin,
und mit Sicherheit einige Klagen / Anzeigen auf die Firma zu kommen werden.
Klagen / Anzeigen heisst auch mehr Probleme für die Polizei / Staatsanwaltschaft.

Es wird einfach nicht verstanden, wie es möglich ist, in so kurzer Zeit, solch einen Hohen Umsatz zu generieren.
Das Geld liegt und lag schon immer auf den Konten und wurde NIE angefasst! Alle Zahlungen sind nachvollziehbar
und es gab keinerleit Probleme, jemals Auszahlungen zu bearbeiten, außer zum schluss hin,
was jedoch die o.g. Gründe hat!

Edit: Kleiner Hinweis, lasst so etwas sein mit den Gruppen bei Facebook.
1. Ist es Heuchelei
2. Verletzung von Copyright einiger Bilder
3. Stehen dort einige Drohungen
4. Gleicht es einer Hetzjadt / sowie Morddrohungen
5. Anzeige gegen Thomas Staegle wurde erstattet
TAiS46
 
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6603  Economy / Speculation / win-win (win) on: April 18, 2013, 07:46:03 AM
after careful insight and two years of monitoring i did finally find out:


if it rises: good, my btc are getting more valuable
if it goes down: good, i can buy some more
if is neither rising nor sinking: good, here is the stability


so every time i check the charts i´m happy.  Grin


6604  Economy / Speculation / Re: in early stages of bitcoin era, the war on exchanges has started doing victims on: April 17, 2013, 11:27:57 PM
I guess that may be a plus side: if banks shutter there doors to BTC then they'll likely be less speculators because it is too much of a hassle transferring funds in and out, and that it turn I'd expect would lead to more price stabilization .

the opposite is true. the harder it is to particitpate for the average person the lesser will those people pour into the btc system. the only way for btc to get recognized more is its usage among ordinary people. if that fails, btc will fail. we need to get people INTO the system. as soon as one has some btc in a wallet, he or she starts taking care of it, gets informed, gets involved. and that is what we need. user friendliness.
6605  Economy / Speculation / Re: So who here sold at $50? lol...come on admit it. on: April 17, 2013, 11:19:09 PM
Cheesy

i was getting close to panic sell all the coins.

but then i bought.


the "reasoning" was: if i sell now and its going down completly, i am out with no cash lost at all, but no btc left. if i stay in and it crashes i have lost cash. if i sell and it goes up again i ´ll lose btc. no way.
6606  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-24.com matching engine seems broken, site down. on: April 17, 2013, 05:06:42 PM
"4) The only possible reason for not allowing you to withdraw the BTC is he has no intention of ever giving you the BTC back."

Quoted as one of the smartest things said so far in this thread. And I did loose 120BTC @ bitcoin-24.com

hm ... i´m losing hope here....  where are the good news?
6607  Economy / Speculation / Re: I sold at $57, fml. on: April 17, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
I sold one hundred at 27$ not a long time ago. That's worst when you see them scale up to 266$  Grin  Grin

were you able to buy some in the 50ies..? 

Yes.  Cheesy

so half the pain is gone ! it worked well for you...
6608  Economy / Speculation / Re: I sold at $57, fml. on: April 17, 2013, 04:25:05 PM
I sold one hundred at 27$ not a long time ago. That's worst when you see them scale up to 266$  Grin  Grin

were you able to buy some in the 50ies..? 

I had a limit order in about 0.01 lower than it went...
And another in at 40.


ouch.
6609  Economy / Speculation / Re: I sold at $57, fml. on: April 17, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
I sold one hundred at 27$ not a long time ago. That's worst when you see them scale up to 266$  Grin  Grin

were you able to buy some in the 50ies..? 
6610  Economy / Speculation / Re: I sold at $57, fml. on: April 17, 2013, 03:50:25 PM
You guys have no idea how bad I am feeling right now.

anyone here has done mistakes concerning btc. there are so many possiblities, and having not taken most of them feels like a mistake also. we should credit the guy for sharing this with us. what he did could have been just the right thing, but it wasn´t. it can happen to anyone of us.  we should establish a respectful discussion on mistakes like this one. 
6611  Economy / Speculation / Re: I sold at $57, fml. on: April 17, 2013, 01:57:44 PM
You guys have no idea how bad I am feeling right now.


when it was reaching the 50ies i started to get nervous. i was actually waiting for it to go down in order to buy cheap (several k fiat waiting at the account) but when it went THAT deep i started thinking i should sell ALL AT ONCE before it collapses.

i logged into gox.

and bought. Roll Eyes

it feels bad to lose fiat. but much worse it feels to lose btc.

if you know what i am talking about you are a believer in btc.
6612  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-24.com matching engine seems broken, site down. on: April 17, 2013, 11:20:19 AM
The same old song. Does anyone believe they get the coins back?

when the kriminalpolizei says "money laundering" they mean DRUGS. when german authorities get involved be ready for an astonishing, unseen and unimaginable amount of incompetence and stubborness. also, they always think the worst of what people are up to. german authorities never trust their own citizens. so this may take a while.
 
when they believe its a money laundering setup for drug deals they will seize cash.

some german police officer might have googled "bitcoin" and found "silk road" and "bitcoin-24" and set off a stampede believing he´ll found something really big.

when german authorities get hold of the btc accounts at btc-24 they will surely try to put them in the garbage bin...  Grin Grin
6613  Economy / Speculation / Re: How long does it take for bitcoin value to double?? on: April 17, 2013, 09:38:12 AM
I have learned a lot about financial stupidity these days... about me. Yes, I predicted a big correction, but I only partially put my money where my mouth was and sold just a few of my BTC because I wanted the price to go just a little bit higher. It's amazing what greed can do.

I haven't lost anything, and I consider those profits I never took a money well invested in my financial education. Smiley

i did worse. i was fast enough to sell when it went down first place. then, when it shortly run uphill i was panicing i end up with no btc. so i bought. bulltrap. when it started to really go down, mtgox was not taking my panic sell order no. 2. i ended up with all coins, no fiat to buy more ...
6614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Everyone failed. on: April 17, 2013, 07:32:40 AM
It doesn't matter how people use Bitcoin, all that matters is they use it. There is no "right way" to use Bitcoin and I'm so sick and tired of hearing people spread this nonsense.

Speculators are learning valuable lessons, like how hard it is to move fiat around, and how easy it is to move Bitcoin around. Many will come for the "get rich quick", and a good percentage will stay for the "utility".

The volatility is growing pains and if you think you know a way to stop it without introducing the type of regulation bitcoin avoids, well... LOL.

you got it! everyone that does buy & sell btc via any exchange experiences the incredible gap of usefullness, speed, and userfriendlyness between the dinosaur-like oldfashioned fiatcurrency systems and the bitcoin system. it is like having this shiny new powerfull and fast race car that you need to fuel with gas that is carried with an old donkey cart. the bottleneck is the fiat system. as soon as it has passed it, the value that is stored in bitcoins accelerates into the internet age.

6615  Economy / Speculation / Re: Should someone who bought in at $150 sell and cut their losses NOW or hold? on: April 16, 2013, 10:03:20 PM
Quote
Should someone who bought in at $150 sell and cut their losses, or hold?
Sell now and cut your losses
Set a sell order at $150 and break even
Just hold and play long

The correct answer is:

D. None of the above.  Start a bitcoin business to start earning more Bitcoin.

 this answer made my day. so i will start a bitcoin-business with my brother. it may not get as big as those winklevoss guys, but this is the new frontier! everything is possible here ! bitcoin will unleash the financial powers of the internet community. this is the beginning of a seismic shift. (i´m not talking about speculation here)

you´ve got it right mr rothbard: start bitcoin businesses
6616  Economy / Speculation / Re: Market sentiment poll - did we see the bottom ($50 at Gox)? on: April 16, 2013, 02:07:09 PM
How many Bitcoins are created per day? Is the number still 3600? If so the Bitcoin market still needs $200k+ of new money everyday just to keep Bitcoin stable at current price point.

Shhh don't start injecting reality to people they still think it is possible to go to $10,000.  At $266 there needed to be $900,000 per day (someone else's calculation).  This would explain why it topped out there.


no way. don´t forget all the cash that the smart guys who sold all the way down to present have piled up. the money that others lost is not gone - it just changed hands. those guys profited a lot. they will want to profit again. but they can only do so if they buy btc. they are all waiting....
6617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Market sentiment poll - did we see the bottom ($50 at Gox)? on: April 16, 2013, 02:02:27 PM
Looks like $50 will be the bottom.

Wow. Now i'm really worried. Time to sell?

the fundamentals (proudhon) have changed. does this mean it´s over ?
6618  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-24.com matching engine seems broken, site down. on: April 16, 2013, 11:29:27 AM
I don't think he is a scam.I think he is a good kid and anextremely bad professional
Nevertheless what everybody thinks is not relevant.Acts and results matter.
After a really shitty day(invested heavily on gold) i cooled down and went in philosophic mode:
We all are pioneers in sthg brand new.And as such, extreme caution is needed regardless the rush a quick profit creates in our head.(i sent money cause the Ask was low and i could make an extra buck Tongue  )
This is trading a new currency guys and bad things  happen even with big regulated firms:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/libor-the-largest-insider-trading-scandal-ever/31818
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/12/us-broker-pfgbest-cftc-idUSBRE86B1B320120712
http://www.ft.com/indepth/ubs-rogue-trading-scandal
and these are examples of the past year

Don't get me wrong,i want my money and i will do more than i can to get them back....
..but this is a part of The Game
Bite the bullet and get your shit together.That goes to you too Simon


better an honest amateur than a stealing professional...

i got 70 btc on my btc24 account. i have the feeling it will be resolved. die hoffnung stirbt zuletzt... (hope dies at the very end only)

6619  Local / Biete / Re: biete meine 30 anteile an avalon asic mining projekt 255 GH/s on: April 15, 2013, 02:27:21 PM
Moin 600Watt,

waere choen, wenn ich von Dir nochmal nen feedback bekommen wuerde Smiley.
Gruss stefan

sorry, bei den vielen pm hab ich den überblick verloren.

momentan verkaufe ich nicht. die 15 anteile, die ich habe, versuche ich zu halten.
6620  Economy / Speculation / Re: blockchain.info wallet error ? on: April 15, 2013, 12:07:40 PM
OP, please move this thread to the appropriate section of the forum ("Services" I think) as it does not belong in Speculation.

 Grin

+1
sry
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