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681  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What is the upper limit of 'm' and 'n' for m-of-n transactions? on: May 26, 2013, 12:34:38 PM
Thank you this is very helpful.

Am I correct in thinking:

1. An m-of-n transaction is signed in series because the public keys are appended to the escrow form as each party signs so this total set of keys can be logged to the transaction in the blockchain? If this is the case then surely an overseer could have a selection of escrows sign in parallel and then collate these keys into the escrow form, thereby preventing each escrow of having any knowledge of who the other escrows are and what other keys are involved in the transaction?

2. Is there any way to see if a single private key goes with a multi-signature transaction? I.e. could an attacker try single keys from a multi-signature transaction in sequence to see if it is associated with a given multi-signature transaction or do all the keys have to be used together to see if they are for a given multi-signature transaction?

3. Assuming the latter is true for Q2, to undertake this brute-force attack is the attacker trying to match a single value generated from all the keys that is publicly viewable on the blockchain or do they have to submit a request to the network for each attempt?

4. I've read up on P2SH (pay-to-script-hash) but don't fully understand it yet. Is it a number (hash) representing all the signatures for a multi-signature transaction where just that number is stored on the blockchain, resultantly keeping the set of public keys used for that multi-signature transaction obfuscated?
682  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What is the upper limit of 'm' and 'n' for m-of-n transactions? on: May 25, 2013, 11:37:00 AM
Scenario:

A 20-of-20 transaction is set up.

This 20-of-20 transaction exists in a pool of 100 escrow agents. The other 80 escrow agents each hold a key for other separate m-of-n transactions.

A malicious entity somehow infiltrates this pool and is able to access all 100 escrow keys for the m-of-n transactions, where a sub set of 20 of the keys are for the 20-of-20 transaction in question.

Would the malicious entity be able to identify which of those 100 escrow keys were associated with the same 20-of-20 transaction? Or are the keys impossible to correlate if the entity does not know which transactions they relate to?
683  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What is the upper limit of 'm' and 'n' for m-of-n transactions? on: May 25, 2013, 12:35:43 AM
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Are the private keys formed by the escrows in series or parallel?
Private keys aren't formed by anything.  They are private keys (random 256 bit numbers).    Multi-sig simply requires/allows more than one private key to be used.

Thanks, so when the 20-of-20 transaction is set up do the escrows involved in it need to sign the 20-of-20 transaction request in series or can this be done in parallel?
684  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What is the upper limit of 'm' and 'n' for m-of-n transactions? on: May 25, 2013, 12:16:28 AM
In a 10 of 10 transaction there are 10 valid (unique and independent) private keys.  The transaction is valid if it is signed by ALL TENS of the TEN valid keys.

So for a 20-of-20 transaction does the order of signing to access funds at the destination address matter?

If so this would be a large number of combinations if the order were not known.

Are the private keys formed by the escrows in series or parallel?
685  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What is the upper limit of 'm' and 'n' for m-of-n transactions? on: May 24, 2013, 11:47:18 PM
TalkingAntColony, malevolent and scintill; thank you very much - for a person who can only read source code to a rudimentary level these answers are very concise. Much appreciated.

A further question: if a 2-of-20 transaction was split up amongst 18 escrow (I assume 18 as two parties are transacting) and one of the two parties gained access to all 18 escrow's private-part-keys, without knowing the order the 2-of-20 transaction was signed in by the escrows: would the party with the part-private-keys be able to infer the order those keys needed to be reassembled in or would they have to try all the possible combinations?
686  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / What is the upper limit of 'm' and 'n' for m-of-n transactions? on: May 24, 2013, 03:44:56 PM
My incomplete understanding of how m-of-n transactions work is that the public keys are split up and spread between the parties involved.

Satoshi, in his infinite wisdom, has abstracted this mechanism so that 'm' part-keys are required from a set of 'n' participants to be able to form the complete private key to be able to access the funds in a given address.

My question is: what are the upper limits on 'm' or 'n'?

If a limit does exist is this in any way connected to the fact that the private keys can only be divided so much?
687  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are ChinaCoin (CNC)'s Development Team Still Operating? on: May 24, 2013, 10:57:30 AM
Is there a ChinaCoin blockchain explorer? Just wondering if there is any way to see the number of coins mined per block.
688  Economy / Goods / Re: Series 2 and 3 Casascius 1 BTC Physical Bitcoins on: May 24, 2013, 10:55:56 AM
I have Series 2 and Series 3 Coins.


What are series 3 Cassius coins?
689  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are ChinaCoin (CNC)'s Development Team Still Operating? on: May 24, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
I'm after any facts about this anyone can point me at. I had a bad 'feeling' about CNC when it launched, but trying to ascribe evidence to this would be beneficial IMO.

For example did the first blocks generate a lot of coins compared to later blocks?
690  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Are IXcoin (IXC)'s Development Team Still Operating? on: May 24, 2013, 08:43:11 AM
Are IXcoin (IXC)'s development team still operating?
691  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Are ChinaCoin (CNC)'s Development Team Still Operating? on: May 24, 2013, 08:42:24 AM
Are Chinacoin (CNC)'s development team still operating?
692  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How many alt cryptocurrencies have been scams, pump-and-dump and are abandoned? on: May 23, 2013, 10:50:07 AM
Does anyone know what happened to chinacoin? Did it have a massive reward for the first set of blocks and then drop off sharply thereafter?
693  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / How many alt cryptocurrencies have been scams, pump-and-dump and are abandoned? on: May 23, 2013, 09:48:07 AM
From what I have been reading on the forums some alternative cryptocurrencies have been designed purely to provide the early adopters or those pre-mining in secret with a high number of coins to facilitate pump-and-dump like selling.

Which alternative cryptocurrencies have had these characteristics?

What other approaches have been used by alternative cryptocurrency developers to facilitate pump-and-dump like mechanisms or other ways of making money fast?

Which alternative cryptocurrencies have been abandoned after pumping-and-dumping or similar activities?

What evidence is there to prove any of these?

Conversely it would seem the alternative cryptocurrencies with good development teams seem to live long and prosper. There are a few out there I have a lot of respect for.
694  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Winklevoss twins' Bitcoin 2013 Talk on: May 22, 2013, 12:13:39 PM
Very exciting presentation.

I don't think anybody should judge anyone for circumstance of birth, be they rich or poor, but by their actions.

695  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-05-21 - Paul Watson's Sea Shepherd Society now accepting bitcoin donations on: May 21, 2013, 08:01:02 PM
This is great news!

696  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Advice on bitnodes.io - when did China top the rankings? on: May 21, 2013, 05:10:48 PM
These are listed as nodes, so I am also unsure if they are wallets and miner or just wallets. I suspect both but am not certain...
697  Economy / Service Discussion / Advice on bitnodes.io - when did China top the rankings? on: May 21, 2013, 08:57:50 AM
Using just the site bitnodes.io is there any way view the data for each run via the GUI on their website?

I'm trying to ascertain when China got to the top of the rankings? I want to provide this information in an easy to digest form.

I'm under the impression it happened in the last two weeks but would like to confirm this with actual data.

Thanks.
698  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-05-20 In Argentina, there’s a gorgeous apartment for sale and it only...... on: May 20, 2013, 11:14:08 PM
Interesting, thank you.
699  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-05-20 BBC Radio 4 Today Show - US Government Puts the Brakes on Bitcoin? on: May 20, 2013, 02:20:18 PM
I'll say it one more time: we need to cut Bitcoin's apron strings. We can't trust the US gov with this, it's far too important.

On that note, this is very encouraging:

http://bitnodes.io/

Check out china's ranking!
700  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-05-17 China CCTV 13 - Bitcoin on: May 20, 2013, 01:11:23 PM
There is huge majority of engineers, technologists, scientists amongst the Chinese communist party leadership. I think like 8 out of 10 of the top guys are technical.

Maybe they just "get it" so do not feel threatened ... unlike western countries that have leadership riddled with technophobic lawyers, bean counters, humanities, polysci, MBAs, etc?

The stats here back that up: http://bitnodes.io

I didn't expect China to be number one - I thought perhaps Russia and then the USA. Not so. There is one thing about bitcoin - it requires you to have a functional logical mind, which the Chinese have in abundance.

This site is BRILLIANT!

Thanks.
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