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681  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to earn Bitcoin without investment on: September 15, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
Signature campaign and bounty campaign are the best methods to earn bitcoin without any investment and it will give you satisfactory income which may not be possible with any other methods of earning bitcoins and once you have earned good amount of bitcoins you should try to invest it in trading to grow your bitcoins faster.
Definitely right.Joining in signature and bounty campaigns will really give you good profit without having any investment.You only have to be smart enough in posting your ideas.And i also agree with you that once you have earned a lot of bitcoin,try to invest and do some trading.You would not be rich either in bitcoin if you don't know how to take risks and sacrifice.

That is right. It is the way where can earn those who just start and new in the forum because it does not need any capital or investment. Having knowledge about the topic on the thread to post with in order to finish the requirement to get a salary. Post also needed to be counted to add activity so that the rank can up. Higher the rank get high opportunity to join and opportunity to earn more as well.
682  Economy / Economics / Re: The dream of getting rich with bitcoins on: September 15, 2017, 12:14:47 PM
Many of us dream of becoming rich and bitcoin has the capability of making us rich.It gives large returns in a short period of time and moreover it is growing at a stable rate and is safe and secure
It is easy to get rich with bitcoin because it will make you independent financially. I am working with some decent people to earn from bitcoin by completing the task given by them. Today I am able to sustain my daily needs with bitcoin. I have another job that I am using for the side income and I am keeping that income as a saving for the future so in this way I will become rich in short time.

There is no easy way to get rich because there are many hindrances to take before you get the success. Just having financial freedom and got stable income is what I am today. I trade and invest  to gain more profit and start saving for future purposes. I want to buy assets that can be use for investment as well. Having source of income like this is good help to live simply without thinking where to get money for everyday living support
683  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is everybody dumping Bitcoin? on: September 15, 2017, 11:48:15 AM
while the price dropped faster the last option for save our money is immediately sold the bitcoin because to avoid lost money this thing is necessary so i think this is the cause why more likely almost every people currently decide to dumping their bitcoin also with these situations will makes people sligthly doubted to buy bitcoin more because there is a chance this dumping hasn't stopping yet

That is right. A person dumping bitcoin because they panic that they will lose money they invest during the price is low and think that it will be better to sell it than holding it. For me, it is the given time for the opportunity to buy bitcoin because of it's low price so that can have more chance to gain profit when the time that the price become high.
684  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are you using bitcoins for? on: September 15, 2017, 11:08:29 AM
The miners mine and hold, other mine and sell.

Investors and speculators buy, hold and sell.

You can buy random items in auctions and through the forums.

What are the reasons for the bulk of the bitcoin transfers? I read an article underlying the "dark side" of the internet and TOR network, and they seem to point out that bitcoins are now nearly the exclusive currency for the online "black market" (Note, they are not saying bitcoins are exclusively used for black market transactions)

What have you used bitcoins for?

Miner
Investor
Black Market
Other - explain


I am using bitcoin for money.Because bitcoin can help me in my financial needs.With bitcoin I can gain so much money and with bitcoin I am able tp help my parents with the things that I need at school.

Bitcoin's purpose is to serve as a currency which could be use in transaction online fast and secure, but it could be also use as a source of income which could be converted into fiat so that we could use it in the real world. Bitcoin helps a lot of people already, and one of those people is me. Way back then I was a guy who doesn't have any money, but lucky my friend introduced bitcoin to me that is why I could say I am financially stable.

I doubt bitcoin at first, but it took me a while before I realized that how would I know if bitcoin is legit if I'm not going to try it, and that is why I'm here now, earning bitcoin and using bitcoin on the things I know that could benefits me.

Same here. I had hesitations and doubt at first that I know bitcoin until I saw how my friends benefits from it. I now realize how important to learn bitcoin and earn money to have salary on my own in order to have financial freedom.
685  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are your plans with your Bitcoin? on: September 15, 2017, 10:35:44 AM
My plan in bitcoin when i have it i will hold it and save.Then after i have many bitcoin i invest it so that i can have my own business came from my bitcoin. Even though im new here in bitcoin i know  time comes that i will earn by my signature campaign.
Holding for long term will give you a good chance to start your own business in the future, the good thing with you is that you are also earning bitcoins, that would increase your holdings if you control your spending. For me, despite of what happen to the price now, I am still not panic because I believe we will see the normal price increase again and that will be soon.

I earn bitcoin so that I have an amount that can be used for trading as well as investing to increased and gain more profit after taking the risk. Panicking because of decreasing the price is not good because sometimes it cause unsuccessful gaining of profit because you cannot analyze things carefully. The decrease of price is always happen but it doesn’t mean bitcoin will last, so I will wait and hold bitcoin until the price goes high again.
686  Economy / Economics / Re: Where did you first heard about Bitcoins? on: September 15, 2017, 01:28:35 AM
In my personal experience, I first heard of it 1 year ago in a online forum game, people sold gold for Bitcoins, around March, gave it no importance at first. Now im kinda utterly commited to it. Really an interest subject of study.

I've heard about it 4 years ago, a friend of mine introduced bitcoin and he was giving some bitcoin that time. I just ignored it because I thought it was a scam. Now, I'm having regrets for not accepting it and for not investing all my money when I first learned about bitcoin. I would've been a millionaire by now.

There are many regrets for hesitating and for not believing about the earning that comes from bitcoin. Even there are so many time being waste for learning and have knowledge about it, there are many time that we can use to earn on it. What worst is that when you continue to doubt it even you see people who benefited from it and now are rich. Earning bitcoin can give us hope that we can achieve our dream in the future like the people who are now successful.
687  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Trading vs Gambling on: September 12, 2017, 10:24:58 PM
Gambling is indeed just a game, some people believe that gambling is like investing in fast forward, since in investing there is still that we rely sometimes in luck to profit. But generally the risks in trading is quite different from gambling. In trading you can minimize risks because you can execute some strategy that can do this, however in gambling you cannot change the outcome of a dice roll.
Gambling does not only involve dice games. People play poker too. Assuming that you know poker, it can be won by applying some strategies.

However, the difference between gambler and trader is, a trader can learn and enhance his wisdom even from zero, but gamblers need god gifted talent. All games rely on either luck or talent you are born with.
Yes that true, if you want to success using trading and gambling you need both to learn. It has a big difference in succeeding because trading need to a lot a time in learning and getting information on those things that you think will success, you can make sure the profit. But gambling is earning of money without assurance of profit, you need to spend a lot of time to get an experience but no goos result. Unlike in trading that you need an experience to become professional trader.
688  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think you are a gambling expert? on: September 12, 2017, 07:27:16 AM
A big NO, because I'm not addicted in gambling, I used the gamblng for my entertainment. I'm involved in gambling but I din't know some games and the rules. For me the expert is the people who know everything on gambling, the person who did not lose their money because of being expert on any kind of games. I choose to use the gambling as entertainment because I want to take out my stress and to avoid addicting in gambling that cause of nothing in the end.
689  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: did you place all your funds into bitcoin? on: September 12, 2017, 06:27:35 AM
I think you should not invest all their funds in bitcoin. Put some of the money they will start to make a profit. What you earn can also be put in the work.
You have a point, but you can't become rich easy if you put in the work or business. For me much better to divide you money in starting a new business that are demands and can get easily earn a profit. The rest can be use in investing to bitcoin cause it is proven and a power to give a lot of profit if you wait many years. This is because if you observe the price on the past years of bitcoin it has a big difference were they give a lot of profit especially in the future.
690  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Where do you get your ideas for investments? on: September 05, 2017, 03:04:17 AM
Me, i got more ideas in forum..I also have my own way to know or to learn how to invest and what are the principles to consider in investing. I also observe my sorroundings and economy and relate how the strategy of other investors do. But i know in myself that learning is not enough to avoid mistakes and through that mistakes I also learn more. And ofcourse we are in world of high technology thats why I also use internet to study and have another idea/ knowledge about investing.
691  Economy / Economics / Re: What is occurring when someone sells 1 BTC at a price lower than he/she bought? on: September 04, 2017, 09:34:39 AM
Let's say I buy 1 Bitcoin for $2296.25 USD. I notice that the USD price value of the Bitcoin drops to $2093 USD, and let's say I want the US dollar amount, so I sell the Bitcoin at $2093 USD, whereby 1 BTC is selling for $2093 on the market.

Is that to say that the US dollar supply has deflated and that I am still, nonetheless, close to breaking even (assuming resistance along a network)?

That's the correct interpretation, right?

Because if Bitcoin works to significantly reduce the double-spending problem, then the (2296.25-2093=$103.25) $103.25 USD I "lost" was actually reallocated into society (1st law of thermodynamics). Thus, the ~$103.25 USD was used to benefit society (all of the Universe, socially) as a whole?


In this industry, it is a different thing in thermodynamics, because the 1st law of thermodnynamics occurs in a natural phenomenon while when buying and selling bitcoin in a lower price is not, because the decision of selling it in a lower price is in yours. Thats why your loss is not going to the society to benifit them it might be goes to the people who also bought btc and sell in a higher price.
So if you are going to buy you should wait the right time and you should control your emotions to avoid panicking.
692  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin thieves ? on: September 04, 2017, 02:55:39 AM
Hey, i'm newbie in this industry and I've came across this article - https://fxpmarkets.blog/2017/08/29/crypto-thieves/
Is it true ?

Yeah that is true., the more the bitcoin or other crypto currencies become more popular the more the bitcoin hackers/thieves multiply. So for us just be carefull of using or even selecting your bitcoin wallet. To avoid lossing btc we should be responsible and be assured that all the details of our acc./wallet is fully secured.
693  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the economy situation in your country that bad? on: September 03, 2017, 12:26:55 PM
Not really, for me its a good thing that our local currency drops value versus USD, more exchange per $, more food on the table and extra money to pay the bills.
For my country the economy is too bad because the local currency is drop down versus Dollar thats why the price of the goods pumps. And even the price of the oil increase. The higher the value of dollar againts local currency the bigger the chance the economy goes down.
694  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Tips for local transactions on: September 03, 2017, 04:17:05 AM
I was writing this as a reply to someone else's topic and it got kind of lengthy, so I decided to make it into a topic instead.

The intention of this topic is to help new buyers and sellers in the BitCoin community who are looking to meet up and trade locally. I've done a lot of local trades and sales over the years, so I'm hoping that my experiences can help beginners by giving them ideas on how to trade safely. For this purpose I've separated my advice into three sections: meeting for trades, advice for buying, and advice for selling.

I've tried to format everything in a clear and concise manner to make this topic more readable. I'm open to suggestions for edits and additions to help make this guide as useful as possible.

Hope this guide helps anyone looking to start trading locally!

Note: Some names/locations I mention are US based, so I apologize if they're irrelevant for your location. The theories behind this topic should be fine regardless of country.



Meeting:
There are three main things I look for in meeting places:
  • Public Location - Are there plenty of people around?
  • WiFi Access - Is there free or cheap public WiFi access in the area?
  • Security - Are there security cameras or security guards in the area?

Public Location:
Public locations are like Local Trading 101: it is always better to meet in a public place. Scammers and muggers are a lot less likely to try anything with witnesses around. You can usually find these people early on by simply requesting a public meeting place: they want to meet their victims alone.

WiFi:
Places like McDonalds, Starbucks, Barnes & Noble, and many local coffee shops offer free WiFi access. A lot of hotels offer WiFi as well, but usually not for free or to non-customers. Bring a laptop or tablet with you if you have one so you can check transaction details and confirmations. Depending on what you're buying/selling/trading, having a computer to do some last second research on item values can never hurt if you're worried about getting the short end of the stick.

Security:
A location with security cameras adds an extra layer of security to a trade. If the other party does get away with stealing from or scamming you, you'll have physical evidence in a recording that can help the authorities track the offender down and bring him to justice. Security guards can help set your mind at ease if you're concerned that you might get mugged: muggers are a lot less likely to rob you if there's a guard with a gun a few yards away. A guard can easily step in and save you if a mugger does start attacking you.

My personal recommendation would be to meet at a mall, if there's one in your area. Malls have tons of security measures to help protect you as you make your trade, and many malls have WiFi access across the entire property: there's a good chance that one of the mall's stores has WiFi access even if the mall itself doesn't. Banks are a good choice too: banks have great security, and some bigger banks have WiFi access as well.

Buying:
There are three things I want to cover about buying in-person:
  • Reviewing Your Purchase
  • Paying with BitCoin
  • Paying with Cash

Reviewing Your Purchase:
For buying items, remember that there's a lot you can't tell about something just from pictures. Make sure to look the item over carefully and make sure everything is in working condition/described condition before you pay the seller. A seller who is unwilling or nervous about letting you check out an item may know something about the item he doesn't want you to find out. It's a good idea to meet during the day or in a well lit area so you can see everything clearly. Don't be afraid to ask questions if anything feels off and don't feel obligated to complete a sale you're uncomfortable with.

Paying with BitCoin:
One of the easiest ways to pay in BitCoin in person is with a mobile wallet app from a smartphone. Blockchain a mobile wallet app for Android and iOS. It's an online wallet, so I wouldn't recommend it for long-time storage: strictly transactions. Once I know how much I need to pay for an item I put that much in the wallet, and maybe 1 or 2 BTC more just in case there's a last second price change, and when I get home I immediately transfer any leftover funds to a more secure wallet. Blockchain works the same as any other client: enter the seller's payment address and the amount of BTC for the sale to send payment. Blockchain also has a QR scanner built in if the seller has a QR code address.

As a side note, I use an iPhone and Blockchain is, to my knowledge, the only wallet app for iOS without jailbreaking your phone. I have no knowledge about jailbreaking or Android apps for alternatives to Blockchain, but you can always do your research here on the forum or on the BitCoin wiki to find an app that works for you. You can also use your laptop, if you have it with you, to access your wallet and pay the seller. I recommend creating a brand new wallet for the transaction, especially if you're the paranoid type. Better safe than sorry, right? Wink

Paying with Cash:
This section focuses on buying BitCoins. One of the more common OTC transactions is buying BitCoin with cash. If you're buying BTC, you need to give the seller a payment address to receive your funds. You can use your mobile wallet to receive the funds, which you can then transfer to a safer wallet when you get home, or you can write down or print out a wallet address for the seller to send the BTC to. If you do the latter method, make sure to confirm the transaction before you part ways: use a laptop to check your wallet and confirm the payment or have a trusted friend/family member monitor the wallet and contact you with confirmation of the funds.

Selling:
There are a few things to review for sellers:
  • Terms of the Sale or Trade
  • Accepting BitCoin Payment
  • Accepting Cash Payment
  • Other Forms of Payment

Terms of the Sale or Trade:
If you and the buyer have agreed to the terms of the trade ahead of time (as in what is being sold and for what price), I recommend printing out a copy of the agreement or correspondence (emails, forum posts, etc.). I've had experiences where the buyer tries to change the deal at the last minute or claims that I agreed to a lower price for the sale. Printing out what you offered and he accepted will back you up and help you get the price you asked for. You can also take a picture of these correspondences with your phone or digital camera if you don't have a printer, or use a laptop/tablet to bring them up if WiFi access is available.

Accepting BitCoin Payment:
Write down or print your payment address and bring it with you: I also recommend having a QR code address printed for buyers who use mobile wallets. Make sure you have a way to confirm payment before you part ways with the buyer. Use a laptop/tablet to check on the transaction for confirmations as well as affirming that the buyer paid the correct amount. You could also have a trusted friend/family member monitor your wallet and contact you with confirmation if WiFi is unavailable. Mobile app wallets may be able to confirm transactions on the spot, negating the need for WiFi access and a computer if you have a 3G/4G phone: the Blockchain app I mentioned can do this for you.

Accepting Cash Payment:
The main concern with cash payment is counterfeit bills. Most banks and retail locations keep special markers at the registers that can show if a bill is real or counterfeit. Here's an example on Amazon. These markers are a cheap investment if you're worried about receiving counterfeit money. I've also found them at office supply stores like Office Depot and Staples for around $5-$15. Keep one in your pocket and mark the bills before you finish the sale. Make sure you explain to the buyer what you're doing so they don't freak out on you: I've had that happen before.

Other Forms of Payment:
The are two things to remember about alternative forms of payment: one; try to agree with the buyer ahead of time about the use of non-cash/non-BTC payments, and two; do your research on the payment method to make sure you know what you're getting and how it works (and how easily, if possible, it can be forged or reversed). This forum is full of warnings about certain payment methods for good reason. BitCoin purchases seem to be the bigger targets for chargeback fraud, so keep yourself educated when you're selling BTC in person.

There is one final warning I would like to give in this section: do not accept personal checks. One of the first in-person sales I ever did was for a personal check ($450), and I'm sure you can guess how that went simply by the way I've brought it up. Another check sale a few months after that one was paid for with a stolen checkbook and I had police show up at my house asking about the sale so they could find the guy. If you absolutely must accept a sale by check, I would recommend completing the sale at a bank so you can cash the check on the spot.

Other Tips:
This section is for good advice submitted by other posters. Thanks for your contributions!
  • Make sure to specify your expectations in advance. Confirm the time and place of meeting and make sure that both parties have everything on hand to complete the sale or trade. ~ Stephen Gornick
  • Strength in numbers: bringing along a second person can be an excellent source of additional security and protection. ~ Vernon715
This article/information was very helpful to every one specially to those who are begginer to the buying and selling business through local and even not in local.
So thanks for the tips and advices it was very helpful to me it awares me a lot in buying and selling business.
695  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you keep buying? on: September 02, 2017, 11:31:38 PM

Rain or shine, bear or bull market, bad news or good news - I keep buying every single month. It's quite nice to have my money work for me now with Bitcoin in a strong and powerful way.
Yeah me too.. I keep buying and hold until the right time come to sell it again, I buy when the time i know the value is at his low value. It is pretty nice that my earning in signature campaign become doubled when i use it in buying and sell when its value pumps.
696  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading altcoin and holding bitcoin which one is more profitable? on: September 02, 2017, 02:30:25 AM
In my opinion both holding bitcoin and trading altcoin are profitable. They are also need a lot of experiences. But in the case of safetiness, trading is more risky than holding. But in trading in a short time you can earn a profit while in a holding it takes time to get a profit.
But what i did is. I trade altcoin when it price is low and then sell it in bitcoin when its price pumps then some of my bitcoin is design to hold for  more profit.
697  Economy / Economics / Re: Cashless society on: August 30, 2017, 10:17:12 AM
Many preconditions for cashless society have already been fulfilled but still it's not easy to transfer our finances just like that. Cashless society would make many things much easier but I think it's in human nature to love the cash and feel it in your hands so many of us wouldn't like to give up the cash.
Yeah your correct. Having a cashless society is wonderful. But it not too easy because there so many things to be considered and i know there so many possible arguments will be come about this. And also it is better to feel the cash when you have it than to just have it but you cant physically feel.
698  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DO YOU AGREE? on: August 29, 2017, 07:49:12 AM
Bitcoin to hit $15,000 by end of 2017 seems ambitious but of course I will be happy to see it happen.
If bitcoin hits $15,000 i will be happy too. Though its just only a prediction it is a very big help and very nice news for this year. I am hoping and still hoping that it will be happen.
699  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to know about next pump? on: August 28, 2017, 06:31:26 AM
I am keen to know how to find which coin is going to get pumped next and when.
Is it possible to know for sure?has anyone here predicted accurately about next pump?
Knowing when the next pump of bitcoin is vey difficult to know due to its volatility. Even the experts did not know when it pumps. But may be it has a very small clue or something hint to predict but it is not very sure that it will be happen. May be you just always check and read the info about this.
700  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do you see trading as fun and games? on: August 27, 2017, 08:06:20 AM
It's very difficult to do it while having fun, but I think a lot of people are happy to trade, not as a game, but to earn more income than their income. well, this is not like gaming and having fun, but this can be said to work.
Yeah i agree with you..i think it is not the word fun. It should be "enjoy" because if you like of what you are doing and you love it then you are enjoying it. And ofcourse just because it is a serious matter i did not treat it as a game or having fun on it because my earnings/profit was depend on how i treat and take it as my source of income.
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